Gallup poll provides for a dismal outlook for liberalism in US

Yes. I take it you are voting Republican, then. Who would you like to see get the nomination?

Yes, the "classic" liberals do, and if you look in Wiki, you will see that people like Milton Friedman and Hayek are considered among these classic liberals. In fact, they refer to themselves as "liberals."

Modern Liberals are a different creature altogether. They have inherited the legacy of the Old Left, then the New Left.

Sorry to know that.

Well, I hope that you will be OK next year and for the following decades because the Republicans are going to keep the House, of course, and they will take the Senate and oust Obama, ushering in decades of Republican ascendency and a recrudesence of our Founding principles!

the only founding they know is the U S S Enterpice; Mishina we can't give up we can't afford to let them win and turn the clock back to the dark ages. if your like me we need to move forward thats the only thing we can do safely

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The clock will move forward if we renew our Founding principles, and rid ourselves the over-regulating of our economy. First, we have to get ObamaCare repealed, then get rid of Federal agencies, like the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, etc. Then, deregulate medicine. Next, we have to get the Right to Work laws enacted in all of our states. Finally, we need to phase out Social Security through privitization.

Liberalism is the belief in statism, control of the people and their lives, abandonment of the rule of law in favor of the rule of the majority. Nothing in your post is a recognizable "liberal" platform.

Give up on your "night is day!" and "dogs are cats!" arguments that you always post here, paratrollus. Who is it that wants to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies? Who is it that wants to tell everyone what they can and cannot eat? Who is that wants to remove public education? Who is that, in the cases where public education is still present, want to teach youth flat-out crap, and instead teach them religious parables of no foundation as some "science"? This conservacrap you post here is not only 100% false, and not just the exact opposite of what your arguments are, but they actually *defeat* your arguments because they're so stupid.

Wow you really are nothing but a right-winger Faux-Noise-channle troll here, you've got every talking point lie down-pat. Friedman was good and in-bed with south american fascism (helped along by your holy-saint-reagan-the-mad). But then that's what the right wingers are really about, turning this country fully into a 1 party right-wing fascist corporate state of and by the new aristocracy of the 1%.

Are you referring to Roe? Roe should be a state matter not a federal one. By making it a SCOTUS ruling it becomes a law promulgated by a LIBERAL court removing the self governance from the people. Education also should be a local department. why should control of our childrens education be left to some Washington bureaucrat? Why do you liberals want to foist evolution as the only way. there is no room in y our world for other views as only yours is correct? You liberals passed Obamacare which tells everyone they have to buy healthcare. Control, you guys want the control of the central government. Don't give me your lies and holier than thou high and mighty condescending crap. Liberals are statists pure and simple and no matter how you spin it you can't deny it.

there you go with your "night is day" arguments again - this time even against the original premise you introduced. You can't make up your mind, can you? Just get out of our country. Send us a postcard from North Korea.

Nice rebuttal. Well thought out. I look forward to your next insightful and percipient post.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not get American TV in my home.

Friedman was not “in bed” with South American fascism, of course, and I can substantiate it. When you throw out something like that, it PROVES you are a Rachel MadCow, MSNBC parrot who has memorized their “talking points.” LOL

Yes, that is its essence. The proclivity of the Liberal is to defer virtually EVERY issue of importance to the central authority. This is a REGRESSION to a more primitive society. Man has crawled out from the muck and mire of being ruled by emperors, church and kings – rule by CENTRAL AUTHORITY - and these LIBERALS want to take us right back there, screaming it is for “our own good,” of course.

And LIBERALS abandon Rule of Law – TRUE justice – for their brand of justice that they call SOCIAL justice. SOCIAL justice undermines true justice by giving special treatment to selected groups, groups that are chosen by LIBERALS, of course. Who else?

Isn't "your" country . You have no idea what you are talking about. Liberal positions on government are more in line with Dear Leader than mine. Funny you should invite me to go to N. Korea. Is that where you got your political training??

1. Unions would not allow it, of course. They want MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE.

2. We fortunately do not want the federal government to control and manage our economy or in making decisions in companies. Do you know that people have to register with the GOVERNMENT when they move, for instance? Can't have it both ways!

3. Taxes there are unbelieveable, and there is little freedom of movement.

4. We should have all states: Right-to-work.

If you don't remember with G M the union the company and the state worked hard to save the company so it could work better to have 1/2 then nothing at all. all sides would have to work together

Most union people are overpaid, of course, and unions do not care about the country at large.

But they have the right to bargain collectively and were useful in the past.

No, polls show that people who consider themselves "conservative" consistently outnumber "liberals" by over 2 to 1.

in reality, polls don't show anything....which was my original point.

Liars figure and figures don't lie

Exactly. I fail to see why a few people deny the FACT that people who consider themselves conservative outnumber those who consider themselves liberal by 2 to 1.

Do you have any idea why they deny this in spite of consistent proof - over several polls and for several years - to the contrary?

polls do not prove anything...nor do statistics...they may suggest, but what they suggest is, alas, subjective voodoo science

Whos polls? Faux-Noise channels polls? The tea-baggers polls? Polls run by the corporate-fascist republithug "think-tanks" (not that those people know how to think)?

The answer I only as good as the question by whom that is seeking

good point

It is not “voodoo” anything, of course. Polls, if properly done, are a good indicator. These results have been duplicated in different polls, and over a number of years.

It is unfortunate that you do not like the results. I am certain that if the results aligned with your ideology, you would be accepting them.

Gallup is not Fox News, of course. What made you think that? Is that what Rachel MadCow said?

Yes, we want ObamaCare repealed, and when the Republicans get the Executive and take over the Senata in 54 WEEKS, its demise will begin. (Unless the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional earlier, then it is moot.)

Sheeple makes good cannon fodder

I'll add that phone calls from pollsters almost always means land lines. If you don't have a land line, the pollsters don't call.

Yepper that is why I got rid of mine..32.00 a month and all I got was incoming calls from numbers that were either surveys or telemarketer scum. I never answered the landline when I had one.

this is an interpretation of the poll written by a columnist who normally writes on economic issues.

I suppose it is convenient to dismiss whatever does not align with one's ideology.

Must be nice....

I don't like telemarketers, either. So, here is something you may enjoy trying:

When one calls, feign interest, then tell him to wait a second. Put the phone down, and go back to your meal, your book or your TV program...

Another is to see how long you can keep him waiting. Every so often, pick up the phone and apologize, saying you will be right back and please do not hang up. I had the type that one can carry the phone, so I just put it besides me. Kept it up for over a half-hour once.

I'm sure it is....and not at all convenient to have to think about what the media passes off as relevant.....

true, most polling results are interpreted, and results are usually influenced by who is doing the interpreting, but I wasn't really addressing that. My reservations are with how the samples are generated before the interpretation is even applied.

Have you ever tried completely - and I mean COMPLETELY - disengaging yourself from ALL media sources?

I did, for three months. I would not see any news on TV, not read a newspaper, not listen to news on the radio, and not even speak to a person about ANY current events.

I will not describe it except to say it permanently changed my perspective.

According to Gallup, "The majority of Gallup surveys in the U.S. are based on interviews conducted by landline and cellular telephones." But I suspect you are right, the majority of those calls are to landlines.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/101872/how-does-gallup-polling-work.aspx

Not true. A good poll, a valid sample, defines the parameters in advance and lets the chips fall as they may. Rather than trying to claim that the poll is invalid, has poor sampling, etc (which Gallup does not), just look at the question itself.

The polls are reliable. Put it this way: Why do virtually all American presidents refer to the polls? Clinton was one of the first who relied heavily on them, especially Gallup. They are not perfect, but they do give a good sense of what is happening, trends and so on.

yep from my point of view

actually, yes I have, and I ended up not thinking at all...not really a solution in my opinion. I think you have to consume media very selectively...not an advocate for fast food, and unfortunately, much of main stream media is little more than fast food for the mind, with results akin to supersize me stupid....

disagree...there are too many variables that cannot be controlled for in any poll, irregardless of parameter definitions, and for Gallup, the greatest variable is the fact that they use phone calls. I understand your argument, was fed it in several statistics classes, just don't buy into it....

"Why do virtually all American presidents refer to the polls?"

Seriously...I suggest you think about that one a little longer, and a little less from inside the box.

Well the republithugs have made a science of that, tell us more about those "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq for instance?

Yes, most is like fast food – easy and convenient. The internet and print is probably the best. A big reason is that one can select the topic in which one is interested; the TV and radio select it for us. If one is interested in a specific topic and uses print, one can delve into it, reflect, check various opinions and sources, etc.

Well, if you want to reject facts, it is up to you, of course.

Why not answer the question? These people are obliged to consider what the public is thinking and what people want, and the polls are a primary source. If you were right, then they would simply ignore the polls. That would not make any sense at all, of course.

I see. You would like to see Hussein still in power, I take it.

I see…..

from a distance it is still there

It's been replaced with Americans wanting to tax corporations so huge bureaucrocies can help Americans completely dependent on what side of the fence we stand on.

not "a fine post" - it's a column from The New Yorker by an economic columnist (who's also a Ron Paul fan). his insinuated findings are methodically impossible in the poll.

I simply enjoy "Scholars & Rogues",....my intent is not to debate the veracity and reliability of polls,...the science of polls,....and the specific science of THIS poll oin particular.

How about -another fine post ; "fine" because I enjoyed it.