MSNBC contributor: ‘Rick Santorum is a homophobe and a bigot’

Family Viewing for sure... =)

I know some people who think like him, and I think they are major creeps man...:)

You mean my Boss??? Heck they are Twins... =)

That would present me with either a great opportuinty or a dangerous situaiton if it was my boss...)

thank you for that effort. Appreciated
+'d

I just donated to that candidate. Best one there!

I know that fools wind up poor, and it has nothing to do with Wall Street, of course.

Say, I have a question, I can't remember where I heard this, but I remember hearing that quite often-although not always-men who are very bigoted and or anti-gay, are quite often either closeted gay or have some kind of gender identification issue themselves, is there any truth to this? Seriously, if you were anyone else here wishes to enlighten me please feel free, thanks.

'They Do???' 'You Will???' Okay Coool.... =)

I do not understand your reply. I was asking which historical figure said these things. I do not agree with the statement.

No I don't know, Please tell me.

Hitler?

Yes... I replied to your comment before you edited it... =)

Sorry about that.

You bet. The speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922 - 1929. Vol 1(London, Oxford University Press 1942) pg. 871-872.

No Worries... =)

No meds. Not satire either. Just pointing out that evil hiding behind a cloak of Christianity is nothing new. Read the post again and you will see I was trying to ask a question. Who said it? Adolph Hitler.

Hitlers rise began with the burning of the Reichstag, the German Parliament. This attack was blamed on terrorists. We now know that it was an inside job.

Let's see. Definitely a person who could easily fit in with the Left of America today with his basic ideas related to the role of the State and the individual.

Wasn't that person a Socialist? Well, he has that in common with the predellctions of today's Liberals.

So, let me know what Left-winger you are quoting, please!

It is a direct quote from Adolph Hitler. If you took the time to research his speeches you would see that he was a devout Catholic that hated Liberals. There was nothing Liberal about the man. The only people on the planet that think he was a Liberal is American Conservatives.

I know who it was, of course.

Today’s Liberal roots come from the same source: The proclivity to central control. All of these regimes had the same goal in mind: What is best for the people of importance. Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot all had the “dream,” and this is the legacy that has come to today’s Left-wingers.

If you doubt this, I can PROVE it.

Then prove it. You show all his left wing policies, and I will show you how closely his policies mirror what the far right in the United States is advocating right now.

The proof is very easy, but it will take just a bit of effort on your part.

I have presented a challenge many times, but no Liberal will take me up on it.

Find some books that cover the history of the Left in America. They should include the Progressive era. These books can be by authors considered Liberal, Conservative, balanced, whatever. It is of no importance.

What will be of importance is that the books received pretty good reviews by good sources, and these sources can be Liberal also. (A balance would be best, however.)

These books do not have to be read, of course. Just read good descriptions of them, ones that give a general outline of the contents.

You will notice something in these books, and it will be related to Marx and Communism.

I suspect that there will now be excuses, deflections and diversions. Probably counterattacks.

I am used to it. No Liberal has accepted this clear and easy challenge to prove me wrong, Lefty.

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Effort on my part, you said you could prove it, so prove it. You have no proof of what you say whatsoever so your asking me to do it for you? Prove what you say. You can not find anything that makes Hitler look Liberal and you know it. Here comes the Hitler policies that are identical to today's Republican policies. 1) Hitler preached German exceptionalism, the Republicans preach American exceptionalism. 2) Hitler spoke of racial purity "What we must fight for is to is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people". The Republicans have been spouting racism since the Tea Party took over. 3) Control of reproduction. Hitler used eugenics, the Republicans would use abortion laws. 4) Every man for themselves. "As in economic life, the able men can not be appointed from above, but must struggle through for themselves". Sound familiar. 5) Hitler was a militarist. The Republicans are militarists. 6) Hatred of democracy. "By rejecting the authority of the individual, and replacing it by the numbers of some momentary mob, the parliamentary principle of majority rule sins against the basic aristocratic principle of nature" The Republicans don't much care for one man one vote either do they. 7) Gun ownership over gun control. The Nazis passed the German Weapons Law easing restrictions on gun ownership. How do you think the Republicans would feel about that? 8) Education. "Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that Liberalism has ever invented for it's own destruction" The Republicans want to privatize education too. 9) Hitler - "Who says I am not under the special protection of God?" Sounds like something the Republicans would say, don't you think? I could go on like this for hours, but I have a suggestion for you. Take the Hitler vs.Coulter quiz. It is a bunch of quotes spewing hatred for Liberals. The trick is to figure out if Coulter or Hitler said them. Go ahead, just Google it. The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz. Hitler hated liberals almost as much as you do.

If these books actually exist, why not just tell us their titles and who wrote them. Tell me and I will look into it. I doubt you are going to do that though. Still waiting for you to prove what you say. Righty

That is nonsense, of course.

But what did Hitler have in common with today's Liberals? I already told you. I presented you with the challenge, but you are like all of the other Liberals and will never take it up, of course.

The ROOTS of Nazism, Communism, Anarchism and Fascism are the same: The centralization of power in order to build the "dream."

This is how Conservatives are precisely the OPPOSITE, diametrically OPPOSED to how you and your kind think. Conservatives want to DECENTRALIZE; Liberals want to CENTRALIZE, and so did Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, of course.

Racism? Hey Liberals are the party of racism! Besides, Liberals have something in common with Nazis and the KKK: They look at people and society in terms of race. American Conservatives, in conrast, want us to look at our fellow citizens as INDIVIDUALS, but you LIBERALS claim that is bigotry and oppression!

You Liberals want to centralize power in the federal government, and you want the citizens to conform to YOUR standards of "political correctness." You try to control the population with regulations of business, our economy, and our personal lives. You try to standardize education. You try to weaken states' rights.

And one of the BIG things you Liberals have in common with the Nazis is one of the overriding hates and obsessions Adolph Hitler (and Marx) had: It was with capitalism. You Liberals are as anti-capitalist as it gets.

Do you realize you just called the KKK liberals. Go south and find a KKK member and call him a Liberal. What do you think he'll do to you? The KKK and all white supremacists embrace Hitler. Liberals are the racists? That is absolutely insane. Hitler loved capitalism. Fritz Thyssen was just one of the many rich men in the capitalist class, along with bankers and industrialists that helped finance his rise to power. Have you done the Hitler vs Coulter quiz yet? You can not challenge someone to prove your points. You have to prove them yourself. You say things like this because you do not want to admit how much you have in common with that Nazi monster. If Hitler had been born in the United States in 1940 he'd be the head of the Republican Party right now. Find and read the Hitler quotes and you will see he sounds just like today's American Conservative. I am done with this conversation.

I can name books, of course, but Leftists like you will claim that they are bias and I specifically selected them.

Therefore, all you have to do is to go to someplace like Amazon or Google for books of a history of the Left in America. In that way, you will not be able to say that I was the one who selected the books.

Al that is needed to show this is valid is just to pick any books that got reasonably good reviews for established sources, even Left-winger ones.

I will write titles if you are willing to agree that you will totally accept the conclusions of the books. If you cannot do that, then YOU pick the books.

This is about as open, flexible and honest as possible. Let's see if you have the guts to see it through. No LIBERAL yet has.

Why don't you read what I write? I wrote, mostly in sarcasm, that you Liberals and the KKK look at the world in terms of race. That is why LEFT-WINGERS are so quick to scream "Racist!"

Hitler was a rabid anti-capitalist. He referred to the Brits, for example, at the country of "shopkeepers" in the most deragatory manner. He looked at capitalists as lovers of comfort and pleasure, anathema to the German code of Iron and Blood. Hitler thought the shopkeeper-capitalist mentality bred love of luxury and weaken the Volk. Capitalism also focused on the individual, and the Nazis, like today's Liberals, focused on the Collective and conformity to the State.

Hitler USED the capitalists; he knew that he needed them to make Germany the industrial power. The bankers and industralists feared Hitler. Hitler did not want a Germany with its primary function emphasizing free-market capitalism. How could you even imagine such a thing?

Read my post under I.B.M helped automate Hitlers holocaust and you will see just how much he liked capitalists, and how much they liked him. I will keep an open mind and do the research you asked me to do.

First of all, if you think that Hitler was a capitalist, you do not know much.

Try this:

"The German capitalists....gave way before the united attacks of the money-grubbing capitalists."

Mein Kampf, page 136

On World War I:

"It was not the people but the capitlists and the Monarchy who were interested in carrying on."

Mein Kampf, page 117

Page 136 - Complains about capitalists taking over the "German State Railway"

"[Made the Republic] subserviant to the international stock-exchange capitalists." Page 160

"The workers...are easily brought to fight for the capitalist interests." Page 181.
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You are just an anti-capitalist, probably some kind of collectivist-socialist, so you have been duped into hating the free market by your betters.

It is unfortunate you actually believe their myths and deceptions.

I am not an anti-capitalist. I'm all for the free market system. That is the system we run under in Canada after all. I despise the idea of Communism. What I do not like is the tilted playing field under which deregulation has caused so much damage around the world. Like I have said before, we have no banking crisis in Canada because we still have the regulations that the United States had, but got rid of. I know full well that it was Clinton that got rid of Glass-Steagall and allowed the banks to cause the financial meltdown. These companies that I mention in this post did do business with Nazi Germany. He did not centralize anything. I have do go and take care of some free market business. Did you read the I.B.M. story.

Extremely well and sanely said (neither of which can be said of the lunatic right-wing-corporate-fascists)! I always enjoy reading your well reasoned, thoughtful responses to the wrong-winger koch-sucker lap-dogs.

Separation of Church and State should also apply to our elected officials, but that's just my Opinion... =)

I agree. There are many religions out there and non religion. There is know way to make everyone happy. Separation of Church and State is the only answer.

Voted Up!!! =)

He is also opposed to birth control. Said he would use the Oval Office to educate people about it.

THAT is not 'small government'. A man who thinks the president should put himself into the private reproductive decisions of Americans is a man with some serious problems.

I agree!
Scary stuff!

If republicans are the great homophobes how does one explain this.

How do You explain it??? No one said 'Republicans are the great Homophobes' You Did....

First of all just because some other people are homophobic doesn't mean republicans aren't. Your party wreaks of it and is intalled in the Republican platform.Civil right's for gays is part of the Democratic platform and philosophy.
Secondly, there was a great deal of confusion on what a yes vote meant and what a no vote meant. The proposition barely won.
And third, the mormon church spent millions spewing lies, distortions and misinformation during the the time leading up to the vote. The opposition had almost no money to spend on the ads.
And finally , it's irrelevant since it will be overturned by the courts. Voting on someone else's civil rights is an outrage. It is not up to the majority to decide the rights of minorities, it's up to the courts and the constitution.

"First of all just because some other people are homophobic doesn't mean republicans aren't. Your party wreaks of it and is intalled in the Republican platform.Civil right's for gays is part of the Democratic platform and philosophy.
Secondly, there was a great deal of confusion on what a yes vote meant and what a no vote meant. The proposition barely won.
And third, the mormon church spent millions spewing lies, distortions and misinformation during the the time leading up to the vote. The opposition had almost no money to spend on the ads.
And finally , it's irrelevant since it will be overturned by the courts. Voting on someone else's civil rights is an outrage. It is not up to the majority to decide the rights of minorities, it's up to the courts and the constitution."

1. Where is the outrage at the black and hispanic community for being homophobic?
2. No, the stats from a Pew 2009 support the exit polls findings.
3. I'll give you that one, they spent a crap load of money for something that was to be overturned.

Gay rights, being part of the Dem platform, is why the LGBT community is still upset at Obama .

Homophobia in the Black community.
http://www.blacklightonline.com/phobia.html

or as Bill Mahr would say. But if you're a homophobe you're probably a republican.

Seems to be #Trending here at current.

Seems to be #Trending here at current.

LOL!!!! Man I am not sure about that.... =)

First of all, I did not deny that the black community was partially responsible for the passage of Prop 8 and the gay community was quite bitter about the lack of support for our cause and it was expressed to their leaders in no uncertain terms. There is no question that many African Americans and Hispanics are very religious and swallow many of the stereotypes promulagated by their religious leaders. However, those two communities are not typical of the Democratic party as a whole. It does not mean that we will turn our backs on their rights even though some turned their backs on ours: particularly since President Obama has more than made up for any slight on their part by his courageous leadeship on gay rights.
I find your statement that gays are upset with Obama more than slightly curious . I have been an activist and leader in the gay community since June 27,1969 and have been involved in many gay organizations since the inception of the movement. Because of that involvement I am aquainted with hundreds , if not thousands, of gay men and women across this country. I certainly find no widespread disallusionment with Obama within our commuity. Yes, there are some egomaniacal , self serving political columnists, a very small minority of ragtag, extreme leftist agitators who will never give credit to Obama for anything he does because they read him as some raging revolutionary, when anyone who paid any attention to his actual words would have realized he was just an old fashioned liberal. And, there are some crazed sock puppets here on Current who rage against him whenever given the opportunity; but they are irrational and certifiably insane and attention must not be paid.
Any subjective anaysis of Obama's record on gay rights reveals a record of success unparralleled
in presidential history. Any cursory examination on any objective website will reveal an exemplary record of accomplishment and Obama is held in the highest esteem by the greatest majority of gay people , the afermentioned dissenters not withstanding. 73% of gay voters cast their ballots for Obama in 2008. I would venture to guess that the repeal of Don't Ask , Don't Tell, the refusal of Obama to defend The Defense of Marriage Act and his declaration that it is unconstitutional, as well as the many favorable Executive Orders granting right after right to gays, as well as his support for the Marriage Equality Act making it's way through the Senate ( not to mention the 23 other measures he has supported us on ) will propel that 73% to a decidedly higher per centage in November election.
In other words, there is no discernable antipathy toward the president on the behalf of the majority of the gay community. There is only the bitter, relentless persecution of those so far to the left and the right that they wouldn't recognize moderation if it slammed them in their immature
" I wanted everything and I want it now" faces. They are spoiled rotten crybabies and those of us who have lived the life and fought the real fight, ran out of patience with these obtuse , whining sacks of ungrateful " the glass is always half empty" fools a long time ago.

And if the MSM starts attacking the "other homophobes" it will shave some of the dem's vote count putting Obama at risk.

Your correct, I'm off my wheels on the "gays upset with Obama" comment.

What I wonder, and have for a while, when the gay community has reached parity will their party endorsement change.

Homophobes, they are out there and they are of all different colors/political affiliations.

And the greatest majority of them are Republicans--not one of your candidates can give a speech without villifying gays ot vilifying some group. Your party lives and thrives on hate and pitting people against each other. Any fool can see that, it's been the main focus of the party since 1968..

and he's correct as usual.

So, in a nut shell, the homophobes that vote liberal are ok, or should I say that the dems will put up with them as long as they get their votes over all. But this stance is unacceptable in the repub party because there might be more of them and they are with the other guys.

Most of Obama's speeches villify a group.

If you want to compare hate baiting, I believe that you will find it a fairly even match, once you look past the MSM reporting and take to the ground. It's called fear mongering and it is not limited to one political party.

Bull crap...but you distort, you decide. As usual, a rethuglican who'll never give up a talking point..no matter how absurd.

Seems to be the Going Thing these days... =(

Hey Cool, I would have never known about that, Thanks attilatheblond... =)

Yes!!! Please Don't... =)

Those words will never leave my lips again. Unless he's elected , then I'll scream that at the TV everytime I see him.

I will be sure to send you some Foam Bricks if that is the case, Happy New Year joeredford... =)

And to you too ..KB. Keep those foam bricks handy looks like Mr. Anal Lube is leading in Iowa.

I will indeed, but really, he doesn't have a chance in Heaven or Hell at beating BO, Honestly, None of the Do... =)

In every society, the definition of freedom has not ever, to my knowledge, included religious conservatism. That's not to pick on Christians. It's not, you know, priest on child, man on dogma, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing.

Hello Joe. Nice to see that after my long, terrible hiatus, you are still here and still the same. ; )

I will scream it with you.

I cannot possibly be the only person who has no clue as to what that means. Would you care to elaborate?

Have wondered again and again where you disappeared to. Very, very happy to see you are back. No, I have changed --you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Still railing against conservatards, libertarian extremists and hunting down sock puppets. So much fun and amusement that it's almost sinful.

We will both go hoarse. The man is a MOOOROON.

Just an answer to Santorums insanity. I only changed three or four words.

Sorry, I can be really dense when it comes to Santorum, he scares the anal lube out of me.

Reminds me of the Nazi's, they Hated Homosexuals and a large majority of their cabinet were...

Hate to tell you this but MessNBC is the lefts version of Fixed Noise. The only difference is the choir size.

Joe,
Jimmy Williams was clearly the most thoughtful of the bunch. Though Alex Wagnor is not bad. Though outnumbered 3 to 2, intelligence won the day as usual. The reference I made was for the shrill attempts by Cupp and the idiocy of the 2 dullards on Alex's right trying to drown out sense. Jimmy nailed Cupp to the wall. I can not stand that douchebag S. E. Cupp. I know who she is only because sometimes Bill Maher has her on his show.
"Thank heaven for the vast majority of real , honest people like you here at Current who do not support this bigotry." Thank you. :)

So is CNN... A Trend maybe??? =)

Could be.

I always want to scream at her "Take off the damned horned rimmed glasses. They don't make you any smarter."

Lets Hope Democracy Now stays a great distance away... =)

Really. I'm with you on that!

They will. :)

Hooray!!!! Amy Goodman Kicks Ass!!! =)

She sure does! :)

A Rare Find Indeed, Happy New Year Imzadi... =)

And a very Happy New Year to you, my friend!!

Thanks soo Much... =)