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Santorum: Obama leading Christians to the ‘guillotine’

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By David Edwards
Thursday, February 9, 2012 10:37 EST

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum warned on Wednesday that President Barack Obama and other liberals are leading people of faith down a path that ends at the guillotine.

During a campaign event in Plano, Texas, the candidate charged Obama had an “overt hostility to faith.”

“When you look and see what the left is trying to do in America today, progressives are trying to shutter faith, privatize it, push it out of the public square, oppress people of faith, strip their charitable deductions away from them, trying to weaken them, churches — trying to say that anyone who believes in the value of Judeo-Christian principles,” Santorum explained.

“As we saw in the Ninth Circuit just this week, that if you believe that [same sex marriage is wrong] — this is what the court said — that if believe that, if believe what’s taught in Genesis, if you believe what’s practiced Biblically and a generation since then you are irrational. The only possible reason you could believe this, according to the Ninth Circuit, is that you are a bigot and that you are a hater.”

He continued: “They are taking faith and crushing it. Why? When you marginalize faith in America, when you remove the pillar of God-given rights then what’s left is the French Revolution. What’s left is a government that gives you rights. What’s left are no unalienable rights. What’s left is a government that will tell you who you are, what you’ll do and when you’ll do it. What’s left in France became the the guillotine.”

Santorum admitted that the U.S. was “a long way from that,” but if Obama had his way then “we are headed down that road,” citing the Obama administration’s decision to require nearly all private health insurance policies to cover family planning, including female contraceptives.

“Now is the time for America to rise up and say enough!” the GOP hopeful exclaimed.

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514 comments // Santorum: Obama leading Christians to the ‘guillotine’

  • ilikeike
  • KB723
  • Duplin
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      Duplin  
    • I was raised in a ultra conservative, small, Southern town and my parents were Pentecostal fanatics. I literally grew-up in church, and wasn't allowed to go to a movie theater ("worldly"), or watch American Bandstand on TV. Until Santorum came along I didn't know that some Catholics were just as nuts...

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
  • jubal
  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
    • +3
      Truthitswhatsfordinner  
    • jubal:

      Christian hypocrisy and misbehavior are evident for all to see.

      However, a Christian is one who follows Christ, that's it. They don't necessarily buy into all the church doctrine etc. True Jesus followers are true "Christ"ians--despite however mis-representative a given follower or denomination turns out to be.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
  • Mishima
  • jubal
  • jubal
  • Mishima
  • MSII
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      MSII  
    • Mishima:

      Why is it your kind believe america (and by extension americans) is holy, perfect, infallible (just like the pope) with such a snake-handler-fundamentalist starey-eyed fanaticism? You people have no ability whatsoever to ever see anything outside your echo-chamber-bubble. No reasoning, critical thinking abilities whatsoever. I do understand the psychology you take such comfort in, the oh-so-very simple-minded black&white world. Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

    • 4 months ago
  • jubal
  • jubal
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • MSII:

      Conservatives and other Real Americans assume America's goals are noble and moral. They BEGIN with that assumption. Of course, they know that America is not perfect, so do not lie about that, please.

      Left-wingers start from the opposite premise: America is a force of evil in the world, and when it ventures out beyond its borders it is for all of the wrong motives. For Left-wingers, they BEGIN with the assumption that America is evil and malevolent.

      THAT is the difference between us, sir.

    • 4 months ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I think its time we bring back the roman colleseium and throw them to the lions or burn them at the stake....ahhh shucks, the good ole days.

    • 4 months ago
  • ThirdSection
  • Mishima
  • jubal
  • Mishima
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Mishima:

      I know it for a fact based on overwhelming evidence. I am not talking about the deluded people who go to church and pay their tithes, I am talking about Rick Santorum and people like him....they are werewolves in sheep's clothing.

    • 4 months ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Mishima:

      Oh, Mishima, I checked out your profile and your video...you came here just recently obviously on someone's payroll to bash those who speak out against the hypocrisy of politicians who wrap themselves up in Christianity thinking that it covers them like a blanket of goodness, when in all reality they are nothing more than FAT CAT PIGS....OINK OINK....I eat those suckers for dinner.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I think its time we bring back the roman colleseium and throw them to the lions or burn them at the stake....ahhh shucks, the good ole days.

    • 4 months ago
  • wtthfkovr
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      wtthfkovr  
    • The church is so concerned about life. Look at their history of starting wars to kill off anyone who disagreed with them. talk about abortions, how many dead babies are there buried in the back of many chuches that covered up the affairs between the clergy and nuns

    • 4 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • ThirdSection
  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
  • cherry5000
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • wtthfkovr:

      Amazing how Left-wingers will hold vigils to try to stop the executions of serial killers, and cry and scream that they are for the helpless, the weak and the dependent.

      And what else is an unborn baby by helpless, weak and dependent?

    • 4 months ago
  • bike10
  • Arizona_Huey
  • KB723
  • Arizona_Huey
  • KB723
  • Mishima
  • Arizona_Huey
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      Arizona_Huey  
    • Mishima:

      Dude - get a sense of humor you fucking idiot!!! I asked a simple question on the SS flag stream and you go off on me like I pissed on the US flag and killed some soldiers. LEARN TO READ only what was written, not what your stupefyingly moronic perception skews it too. Then again, since you have a Reagan pic as your profile icon - never mind, your brain has already been damaged too much to engage with you on an intellectual level higher than a 4th grade/Fox education...

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
  • grammabet
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  • OlBlue
  • cherry5000
  • Mishima
  • MSII
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      MSII  
    • Mishima:

      A wrong-winger daring to bring up fear-based politics, wow you people have nothing remotely like the simplest sense of shame! All your browm-shirt party has preached since senile-saint-reagan-the-mad (may he burn in his well deserved snake-handler hell for eternity) is fear and hate. It's all you people have, it's all you've ever had to preach. OOoooOOoo the ghost of Saul Alinsky is coming for your children! HA! Too much. Your peoples outright insanity would be frightening if it wasn't so utterly ridiculous.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • MSII:

      No, the Left-wingers preach hate: Class, race, religious.

      The left-wingers promote socialism, and socialism is a fear-based policy. It promises people will not have to take any chances and that the government will protect them from any sickness, unemployment, accidents, and even emotional issues and drug addiction.

    • 4 months ago
  • MSII
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • MSII:

      To which propaganda do you refer? Please let me know because I get neither American TV or radio here. I do get the 5-minute, top-of-the hour AP reports, however. So let me know about these sources of propaganda that you arrogantly assume I get.

    • 4 months ago
  • MSII
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      MSII  
    • Mishima:

      Repeat -
      More in-the-bubble-echo-chamber-sound-bites, heard enough right-wing-corporate-fascist propaganda for today thanks anyway.
      Not going to waste my time with you, you're nothing but a recording, endlessly spewing in-the-bubble-echo-chamber right-wing-corporat-fascist-sound-bites.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
  • LivingPong
    • +7
      LivingPong  
    • Actually many people claiming to be of faith are privatising religion and asking for $100 and $1000 "gifts". Religion is a business opportunity for a bunch of dodgy operators claiming miracles and all kinds of outrageous marketing gimmicks. There are conmen praying on the vulnerable and lonely and they are using God as their defence. These are the people Rick Santorum should be worried about.

    • 4 months ago
  • KB723
  • jubal
  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
  • MSII
  • wolfess
    • +9
      wolfess  
    • Lord what happened to this thread? It's one big mish-mash of hateful rightwing idiocy.

      Pwr 2 the liberal 99%! GUILLOTINE the frothy santorum and his followers!

    • 4 months ago
  • Joeydee44
  • ThirdSection
  • ThirdSection
  • wolfess
  • ThirdSection
  • ThirdSection
  • KB723
  • Joeydee44
  • Joeydee44
  • jubal
  • ThirdSection
  • Mishima
  • Mishima
  • Mishima
  • Milieu
  • fiberbundle
    • +7
      fiberbundle  
    • The petty squabbling, prejudice, discrimination, persecutions, warfare, and organized genocide among religious groups throughout history cetainly matches any secular atheist humanist achievements in this arena. So my question is what's so horrible about the French Revolution? Seems to me the French Revolution was pretty tame,(16,000 to 40,0000 estimated executions) say compared even to the persecution of the Huguenots* by previous French monarchs. It seems to me if there was no French Revolution, then our inalienable rights would have to be granted by kings who have the Divine right to rule. Why is that so wonderful? Didn't we rebel against one of those divine right rulers? A guy named George III.

      *The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy in French) in 1572 was a targeted group of assassinations, followed by a wave of Roman Catholic mob violence, both directed against the Huguenots (French Calvinist Protestants), during the French Wars of Religion. Traditionally believed to have been instigated by Catherine de' Medici, the mother of King Charles IX, the massacre took place six days after the wedding of the king's sister Margaret to the Protestant Henry III of Navarre (the future Henry IV of France). This marriage was an occasion for which many of the most wealthy and prominent Huguenots had gathered in largely Catholic Paris.

      The massacre began on 23 August 1572 (the eve of the feast of Bartholomew the Apostle), two days after the attempted assassination of Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, the military and political leader of the Huguenots. The king ordered the killing of a group of Huguenot leaders, including Coligny, and the slaughter spread throughout Paris. Lasting several weeks, the massacre expanded outward to other urban centres and the countryside. Modern estimates for the number of dead vary widely, from 5,000 to 30,000.

      The massacre also marked a turning point in the French Wars of Religion. The Huguenot political movement was crippled by the loss of many of its prominent aristocratic leaders, as well as many re-conversions by the rank and file, and those who remained were increasingly radicalized. Though by no means unique, it "was the worst of the century's religious massacres." [2] Throughout Europe, it "printed on Protestant minds the indelible conviction that Catholicism was a bloody and treacherous religion".[3]

    • 4 months ago
  • dinm76
  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
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      Truthitswhatsfordinner  
    • fiberbundle:

      Great comment^.
      And the Hugenots eventually left France and settled in the New World in what would eventually become the colonial US. They fought for independence against Britain and helped inspire the French Revolution. There is a still a very active descendants of the Hugenots movement in the US.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
  • fiberbundle
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      fiberbundle  
    • Mishima:

      You seem to have a very Procrustean process for interpreting all of history, and current events, kind of a catechism approach. I am put in mind of one of those Star Trek societies run by a computer that no longer is controlled by the society it was created to serve, and doggedly follows its prime directive until Captain Kirk "iterates" it to the max and it blows up.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • fiberbundle:

      No. I have been curious about why certain people actually want to have power centralized. After all, humans have struggled to get away from that very thing for centuries.

      I see it around me for decades. So, I have been questioning, observing, and studying to understand the origins, how people get to be like this.

      There are many who call themselves "Liberals" who are not these STATISTS and COLLECTIVISTS. They are simply passionate about one or two specific issues that are generally classified Liberal. Then there are the others who think that "Liberal" means tolerant or accepting of different ways of life, but that is an entirely, non-political meaning.

      So, when I use the term LEFT-WINGER, it is for those who would centralize the power, destroy states' rights, and set up a socialist economy. They are anti-freedom, even though they claim the opposite. They are the destroyers of freedom, culture, civilization and morality.

    • 4 months ago
  • fiberbundle
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      fiberbundle  
    • Mishima:

      Let me start with something we agree on.

      You said--- "Then there are the others who think that "Liberal" means tolerant or accepting of different ways of life, but that is an entirely, non-political meaning."

      Like you, I know that human beings have always lived in a social order. The idea that Liberalism means I do whatever I want whenever I want, is really " American teenagerism" and is not even worthy of discussion.

      We differ on who should have power; how much power they should have; and how and to whom the powerful should be accountable.

      We may also disagree on the purpose and goals of the human race. I see all human activity in the context of building and maintaining a matrix in which we raise the next generation. We in this generation have the responsibility to nurture, preserve and protect that next generation. All other "isms" are subservient to that goal. No religious, economic, or personal freedoms trump that social mandate.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • fiberbundle:

      No offense, but what you wrote "sounds" nice and all, but it really has no meaning, no clear principles, no conviction. Anyone can say "we care about children," or "we want happiness for the people" and such, but then.....?

    • 4 months ago
  • fiberbundle
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      fiberbundle  
    • Mishima:

      I think my philosophical perspective clearly informs and integrates both my personal and political life. I know exactly what government should do and the type of people, policies and political parties that will get my support. I know what lines to draw in the sand and when compromise is acceptable. Actually I'm the true conservative, I like what we have and don't want to lose it. You want to change things to conform to something you imagine existed before FDR. In my opinion you are the one without a proven plan or a clear direction.

      Name one thing the Tea Party Republican House has done to alleviate the economic hardship directly caused by the de-regulators and fraudsters that caused the problem in the first place. You see the only entity that can lawfully arrest, prosecute and restore equity, is government that is big enough to do the job. No other entity has the lawful authority. Your guys either don't understand that, or worse (which is my opinion), are in cahoots with the fraudsters.

      So my plan is to do everything I can to block any more Tea Party dullards and incompetents from gaining Congressional seats, and to remove those that climbed in the through the bathroom window in 2010. And as far as the Presidential race is concerned, Obama is so far superior, in every way, to the retreads running against him, that it is obvious, even to the most uninformed members of the electorate. And I firmly believe that unless the tyrants you're backing succeed in disenfranchising substantial portions of the electorate; they will vote their interests and throw these bums and their royalist collaborators, out on their collective asses.

    • 4 months ago
  • MSII
  • Mishima
  • fiberbundle
  • MSII
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • fiberbundle:

      Good to know. These Left-wingers are putting the "ism" on what is only the voluntary exchanges of human beings, ones that have gone on for centuries. All to promote THEIR "ism," of course.

    • 4 months ago
  • fiberbundle
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      fiberbundle  
    • Mishima:

      When the young men returned from WWII, they were all looking to a brighter FUTURE. Those who were focused on defending the past were swept aside. The United States government did what was necessary to create a stable prosperous peaceful world. All the while, "conservatives" tried to obstruct and called foul.

      Dick Army, the cultural warriors, the Tea Party, Ron Paul are backwards looking movements made up of people afraid of losing their hoard of stuff or unfair advantage. Youth will out. Time marches forward. Static positions are always overrun by mobile attacking forces. Your cause is doomed. History doesn't stand still for fearful, tired old men.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • fiberbundle:

      Possibly some look backwards, but you are apparently saying to leave the past in the past and not incorporate it, not get strength, inspiration and nourishment from it. Lincoln was one of the ones who used to look to our Founders and the principles all of the time.

      Reagan was one of those who embodied the Founders and their principles.

      But haven't you ever noticed that Americans constantly turn to those guys, dead for two centuries, for guidance? What would the Founders do or say is quite a rallying cry. Virtually all presidents remind us of it, some more than others. We need to remember our heritage and move forward with that. With the debt of gratitude, and carrying their enduring and PERMANENT wisdom and TRUTHS.

      And don't think that the Conservative movement is for the old. Let me present you with two FACTS - VERIFIABLE FACTS. Repeat facts. Quotes
      . Ronald Reagan was the oldest president in our history. He got 3/4 - repeat THREE-FOURTHS - of the vote for those under 24 years of age and an 82 (EIGHTY-TWO) percent approval rating from them.

      The next FACT is just a quote. After Reagan was in office, the Liberal Senator from NY, Pat Moynihan, said, “I’ll tell you what chills the blood of liberals. It was always thought that the old bastards were the conservatives. Now the young people are becoming the conservatives and we’re the old bastards.”

    • 4 months ago
  • fiberbundle
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      fiberbundle  
    • Mishima:

      Like a stock chart the past and trend are already incorporated in it. Everyone is a product of their past. Conservatives are like duffers who put too much emphasis on deconstructing a golf swing. When you try to over control it, the swing loses most of its power and most of its accuracy. That's why conservative movements never break par.

      I voted for Ronald Reagan, but it was a vote against Jimmy Carter I'll be nice, Carter is a great humanitarian and ex-president. Now---the support of young people--there are young people and there are young people.

      The young people who are important are educated, healthy non drug addicts who are married (heterosexually) or contemplating marriage, and are planning a family. These are the only people who will construct the future. Obviously if you don't have children you don't move into the future. The main job of society and politics is to provide for that future generation. Just like all the other animals. It really doesn't matter much what impressionable community college sophomores think. Whether they're Ron Paul supporters or Dick Army recruits. I doubt you are winning, or are even close, when it comes to influencing the progenitors of the next generation. You and your conservatives have failed them miserably, by stealing all the money through Wall Street financial schemes and then having the audacity to defend the deregulation which allowed the rats in the silo.

    • 4 months ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • Good. That would be a VERY good reason to vote for Obama !

      Oh GOD,....that man made it to bible belt Plano,.....he is getting FAR TO CLOSE to where I live ! He will doubtless stir up the local Fundamentaldefectivests !

    • 4 months ago
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