Santorum: ‘Higher-income people don’t have to pay taxes’
source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/05/santorum-higher-income-people-dont-have-to-pay-taxes/
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Monday, March 5, 2012 13:19 EST
Republican presidential Rick Santorum is advising President Barack Obama not to raise taxes on the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans because “higher-income people don’t have to pay taxes if they don’t want to.”
“Once we defeat Barack Obama this economy will start turning around,” the former Pennsylvania senator told a crowd in Miamisburg, Ohio. “Because you’ll know you have someone in there who’s going to unshackle businesses, reduce rates, not increase them. The president’s promised increased taxes if he’s re-elected.”
“All he wants to do to solve the deficit problem is increase taxes on people, particularly higher-income people,” Santorum continued. “You see, that sounds very populist. Go after the 1 percent. It’s interesting because the British just did this. They went after the 1 percent in Britain. They dramatically increased taxes on the highest-income Brits. And guess what? It failed.”
“What happened? Well, higher-income people don’t have to pay taxes if they don’t want to because they can move their money somewhere else, they can move their investments. They can stop investing. They can stop working. They don’t need to work. They’re higher-income people.”
DeAnne Julius, the former chairwoman of Chatham House in London, has explained that Britain’s 50 percent marginal tax rate on high-income earners should not be compared to 35 percent rate imposed on wealthiest Americans, who can take advantage of loopholes in the U.S. tax system.
“[R]elative to other countries, the U.K.’s 50 percent tax rate for high earners is uncompetitive, while the U.S. top rate of 35 percent is still highly competitive,” Julius wrote in an October 2011 op-ed for The New York Times.
“These factors led 20 British economists to warn that the 50 percent top tax rate is doing lasting damage to the British economy and is unlikely to raise much if any additional revenue,” she added. “However, these factors do not apply to the United States, where the current tax regime allows many high earners to escape paying even their proportional share of taxes and where both average and marginal tax rates are low by international standards.”
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"Man this Guy is a Friggen' IDIOT!!!!"
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kvb1
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The marginal tax rate under Eisenhower was 90%, in the Happy Days of the 1950's. The effective rate was around 50%. Reducing taxes on the rich did not create a boom during the 1960's, rather it was the increased spending on the war in Viet Nam that drove the economy and was One of the reasons for the recession during the Carter administration.
Increasing the tax rate on the wealthy did not slow down the boom during Clinton either. Rich people can move their money out of the US, but then they can't use it either. It the rich decide to leave, same with corporations, others, entrepreneurs, will move in to fill that gap.
There are some regulations that are unnecessary, however, if they were so restrictive there would be no new businesses being started. The US averages 500K new business starts a year. The majority of regulations that affect small business have to deal with State governments and the those businesses that cross State boundaries, including licensing and taxes. Regulations by the federal government have little impact on business. Small businesses that employ less than 500 workers have averaged 7,000,000 new hires, while businesses that employ over that have lost 1,000,000 mostly to out sourcing jobs to other countries.
Sanitarium has no idea of what he is talking about, and neither do those people that listen to him.
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kvb1
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LivingPong
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While you are at it Rick, why not kill the poor?
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LivingPong
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LivingPong
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No Ricky, No Ricky, No Ricky No!
No no, no no, no no no!
Ricky Ricky Ricky, no no no! - 1 year ago
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LivingPong
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What what what what...
...“higher-income people don’t have to pay taxes if they don’t want to.”
Rick Santorum paints a picture of who he represents with that statement, not the average person, only the very selfish of the wealthy elite.
I expect to pay more taxes the more I earn. To avoid paying ones fair share is a very shameful act, highly frowned upon in Australia and most parts of the world. In fact in Australia, if you move your finances into off-shore bank accounts you are promptly sent to prison for lengthy amounts of time, as well as having to repay all taxes you avoided and usually quite a large fine.
For shame! Success relies a great deal on public infrastructure, public institutes and public services. The police and fire departments protect your assets. The roads, rail, ports and airways transport your goods or services as well as your employees. If you don't want security of your property and to use any public infrastructure, don't call the fire department if your business goes up in flames as you don't deserve a service that you think can do without funding from tax revenue. Why should the rest of us pay for your good if you are too greedy to contribute?
While my families business was successful due to very hard work and long hours, we not only paid a lot of tax, we also regularly contributed to all the local charities and volunteer organisations, while making the time ourselves to volunteer in the community. Anything less would be an appalling act of behaviour, resulting in nothing less than a shame so great I could never walk through the streets of my community with any sense of pride or dignity. To suggest that such behaviour is at all acceptable is an outrage!
Rick Santorum deserves nothing but utter contempt from all for suggesting such a thing!
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I have read the case that the increase in tax rates resulted in losses in revenue. Unfortunately it is pure garbage. They use absolute tax revenues over time to compare numbers. Ironic that tax rates have been steadily faling since Reagan and revenues have been increasing (inflation, anyone?).
They also like to completely leave out the affects of hiking tax rates under Clinton.
Ah and they also like to point at increased revenues and decreased revenues FROM the top 1% exclusively, failing to take into account the affect of higher taxes on the rich relative to the rest of the -almost everyone- citizenry.
These "studies" and the overall case against raising the marginal rate on high earners is pure, unabashed bullshit, shrouded in the guise of scientific, economic analysis.
Anyone with a scientific, or more specifically, financial (looking at you, Paratus) background should be able to see the problems with the case.
Worry not, good people of the democratic party, the evidence isn't against you.
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How's that "supply-side" economics been working out for you? Still not trickling down like they said it would. ...and you still don't care that you're starving the masses. I would love to debate this froth, but fear that he would be unarmed.
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This man is one ignorant bastard ...who claims he is so holy and christian but I guess skipped over ...It will be easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the glory of heaven
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Zappa226:
But.... He is Catholic....
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Zappa226:
Maybe you should post up the book of Matthew so that some may understand the context of your comment.
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I remember a prosperous time in the UK when the wealthiest paid between 95% and 110% income tax. Yes, 110%.
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Vierotchka:
Wow!!! I never knew that Vierotchka... =)
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It is the super rich that benefit from wars,bailouts,fraudulent derivatives so yes they should pay more taxes to play in the sand box that is America . Gee Rick where is your sense of fairness ?
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More pandering to the millionaire wanna-bees. We had 8 straight years of tax cuts for the wealthy, and the economy kept going right down the toilet. Too bad Frothy Ricky isn't pragmatic like ol' Ronnie Raygun, who may have been a racist jaggoff but knew when it was time to raise taxes.
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Many of the companies who have moved their corporate locations offshore have done so to avoid the onerous taxes and regulations the U.S. imposes. Santorum is correct in that anyone with enough money can restructure their assets to, at least, minimize the amount of tax they are paying. He is not saying higher income people should not pay or that the tax law does not require that they pay taxes he is saying that they are able to do what is necessary to avoid, not evade, income tax.
What he really needs to say, and no one else here is picking up on it, is that 49% of the income filers in the U.S. don't have to pay income tax because the higher income folk are paying their freight. - 1 year ago
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Paratus:
I have read alot of your musings here : Why do you hate the middle class and working poor so much and actualy live in this illusion that the rich pay more in tax's then the poor...study after study proves that the middle class and working poor pay more in payroll tax's then the rich pay in income tax's on their profits .......you seem not to understand as you look down upon these people that they are the backbone of this country without them you and your ilk have nothing....now talk about snobbery and class warfare and the man in the mirror is you
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Zappa226:
it's no use reasoning with Paratus. The part of his brain involving logical reasoning and empathy died long ago. Now-a-days he is just a mouth piece spewing failed GOP ideals and policies which he gleams from Fox News. It is quite sad how selfish, miserly, gullible the elderly become.
They embody the "as long as I got mine" attitude, never giving a thought beyond it.
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Pfffffft, the tax in the U.S. is trivial compared with tax rates in other developed nations. Australia has both higher tax rates and interest rates while our economy is growing at a faster rate and set to grow even more. In spite of the increased mining tax and a carbon tax, investment and new planned developments have massively increased with even more planned developments over the coming decades. Australia has a tiny population and a much smaller GDP yet our dollar is now worth more than the U.S. dollar!
Tax breaks and deregulation under decades of Republican administration, the huge cost of the Iraq war, the financial collapse due to a lack of financial regulation and under funded regulatory bodies without any clout, plus the bailout of those under regulated financial organisations that caused the collapse have all lead to a large deficit.
To pretend that such irresponsible action did not cause the huge amounts of debt and that it can be fixed in a short period of time, especially with proposed tax cuts and further deregulation, is naive at best. A short memory that ignores the past failed policy of Ronald Reagan and continued on by George Bush 1 and 2.0 will doom you to repeat the same mistakes. How does one reduce debt by cutting tax revenue? Selling off public assets may bring some very short term cash but inevitably leads to a long term increase in cost as well as a loss of jobs.
Conservative government made similar mistakes in Australia. For a short term gain public assets were sold off leading to an increase in cost of many services and a sharp decline in public infrastructure. In a very short time our internet speeds and capacity dropped from sixth placed in the world to greater than twentieth and rather than decreased cost in comparison to the rest of the world we got increased cost, outperformed by even third world countries. New emerging businesses were forced to lay off staff and many collapsed as they could not compete with overseas businesses or even enter many emerging markets. The share price of some of our once publicly owned companies plummeted after being sold to private ventures by the then conservative Howard government, leaving many investors who were promised greater returns out of pocket. Only now after considerable investment in public infrastructure are we starting to move towards internationally competitive standards. Without the huge demand for our raw resources, as well as some prudent and timely investment in skills, training, education and public infrastructure, our economy would be under severe stress and our workforce outdated and uncompetitive.
The Howard governments attempt at removing workers rights under the disguise of 'more flexible arrangements' and introducing work place agreements actually lead to an increase in labour costs for many small businesses, with many businesses left still paying out Work Place Agreements for staff who have since left.
Many of the conservative policies are nothing less than short term sales pitches aimed at getting them into office with no long term sensible plans for the future. To make things worse, rather than sensibly debate policy and try and come to some mutually beneficial arrangement with improved legislative outcomes, instead they stamp and yell, practice Filibusterers and hamper the workings of government to the detriment of all. If they don't get their way they instead try and wreck everything. Behaviour reminiscent of spoilt and unruly children who were never taught any manners or how to co-operate with others.
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Zappa226:
49% or so of the tax filers in the U.S. pay no federal income tax. Everyone pays payroll tax. The "rich:" cannot take advantage of the EIC which is a refundable income tax. Look up that definition.
I and "my ilk" as you so ignorantly put is, make less than $13/hr, hardly rich person money. YOu are a liar regarding my feeelings toward themiddle class but thatis what happens when you tell me my feelings about the middle class, which I am right in the middle of to coin a phrase, rather than assume. See what your assumption did to you.
King Barry and his ilk are waging class warfare. Wanting one group of people to pay the freight for the other is class warfare. You are waging it.NB: Payroll tax and FIT are two different taxes. Thisis like Cap Gains being compared to FIT , can't do it they are apples and oranges. You need to figure out what you are talking about before you run your mouth.
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LivingPong:
We are in a bad way economically because of our spending, not because we don't confiscate enough earnings from the people. Cutting tax and increasing spending is irresponsible. Increasing spending without offsetting reductions is irresponsible. Liberal policies have done nothing but increase our debt, devalue the dollar and increase unemployment. They are not producing jobs.
Your last sentence is really funny. Are you referring to the Democrat legislatures in Wisconsin and, what was it, Illinois or something. Yeah they were little spoiled children weren't they. - 1 year ago
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Talking about class warfare.
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bike10:
it's only "class warfare" when it comes from the mouths of "liberals" attacking the rich for being "successful".
But the truth is the rich are not suffering in this recession. They are thriving and making obscene profits.
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Rick, Rick, he's our man
the 1% and idiots think he can............................. - 1 year ago
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Santorum just isn't worth anyone's time.
I hope they do elect this moron. Even Obama could crush this loser.
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I think he's channelling Leona Helmsley...
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What a dick. Lets not tax them so they can buy one more Caddilac, oh thats right, really rich job creators dont drive American cars anyway!
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I know the sheep are supporting this sleaze but are they all blind, deaf and so out of touch that they will accept anything he says? I think he is actually dangerous. If his sheep don't jump ship after his outrageous statements, will they ever?
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sunny1:
Ahhh Forget about him... He is just wall paper, I do find it odd that anyone would believe his BS!!!! =))=
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I'm sorry. I just can't listen to, or read, one more word by Saint forsaken P Rick.
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:
No worries, go check out this post instead... =)
http://current.com/shows/upstream/93693070_pat-robertson-tornadoes-wouldn-t-happ...
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For some reason, the Froth was coming from the Wrong End??? =)
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To give this guy a platform for others to debate his silly words is an exercise in ignorance.
Yet Odd that you would do so, No??? =)
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‘Higher-income people don’t have to pay taxes’ says Santorum. OK, then who does pay and who would pay all of you high priced pols salaries? Or are you going to start working for free? He wants the 99% to pay the taxes and the rich get a free lunch.
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Leen61:
Mmmm, I miss Free Lunch and Gov't Cheese as well... The Powdered Milk sure takes me back as well... =)
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“Once we defeat Barack Obama this economy will start turning around,” the former Pennsylvania senator told a crowd in Miamisburg, Ohio. “Because you’ll know you have someone in there who’s going to unshackle businesses, reduce rates, not increase them. The president’s promised increased taxes if he’s re-elected.”
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do you know what the word storm means ?
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cmc101:
Who??? Me or Rick??? =))=
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KB723:
if you can answer it it is worth 4 points
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cmc101:
Hmmm, let me guess... Rain???
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KB723:
It is an old English sailor word for a lady of leisure (whore)
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Santorum: ‘Higher-income people don’t have to pay taxes’
"Man this Guy is a Friggen' IDIOT!!!!"
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