Obama calls Ronald Reagan a ‘wild-eyed, socialist, tax-hiking class warrior’

They act as though these things Never Happened!!! =(

How's the old saying go? "Ignorance is bliss!"

I have never seen it induced... =))=

Oh I've seen willful ignorance in them for decades now...

Perhaps it comes in suppositories??? =)

Would not surprise as they generally have a bizarre fascination with all things to do with that -area- of the body.

Agreed!!! =)

"Capital gains" is a BS, made-up term. OF COURSE income made from stocls IS "income". By CALLING it a different name.....allows them to pretend, somehow, it's NOT....and therefore taxable as something ELSE. It's a frinkin JOKE.

IMO, people who make their living playing the stock market should pay HIGHER taxes....since WORK isnt even part of the equation.

Well stated!

Cap gains is made up just as income tax is also made up. They are just terms to describe two things that are not the same. It is is in Title 26 which is the tax code by which taxes are calculated each year. Income from stocks is taxable as dividend income but the sale of stock, or capital gains, is either long term, held > a year, or short term, held < one year. Actually capital gains are realized at the sale of EVERY asset be it property, stocks, an automobile or the piano in your living room. The sale of the above would not necessarily be considered as income which is derived from what a person generally receives for his time to put bread on the table. Depends on what that person does for a living. I cannot see paying tax on the sale of a piano or the five acres I have had for 10 years at the ordinary income rate. The property is an asset and if you sell it for more than the basis you have a gain on that asset which is a capital gain as the property is a capital asset. As an aside, I don't believe W2 income should be taxable either but that is another matter.
I guess, considering your last paragraph, you have a real problem with people funding and managing their own stock portfolio in retirement but paying higher taxes just because you invest the stock market is absurd. I am also assuming, a dangerous thing, that you are not in the 28% tax bracket. Try investing. Success in that area may make you less angry, hateful and envious.
Your comments reflect your ignorance about taxes, finance and the realities of the tax code. This is not new as many here, and elsewhere, possess the same ignorance. I sincerely hope you do not prepare your own taxes. In any event, I think it would be a good idea to end this class warfare the left is waging, throw out the tax code and promulgate a new one that is much simpler. Paul Ryans would have been a good start.

You're kidding right! That response contains hate, envy, frustration & ignorance.

I'm six days behind to reply
Bravo two thumbs up

Tea Party???

I would assume the Tea Baggers would be cued to come to Reagan's defense.

Yes!!! Perhaps... =)

I don't see why scott is receiving negative votes though. I viewed his comment as a snarky one that kind of makes fun of the idea that now the tea party is going to blow a gasket over something silly.

I could be mistaken though.

Am I being voted down because I explained how I perceived something, because someone thinks that how I perceived Scott's statement is incorrect or did I manage to offend someone?

The conversation is about lying Republicans, lying about Reagan's tax record, through their lying teeth.

Ya don't say??? =))=

wow, it felt awkward just reading that comment lol

Of course he's not. But Reagan and all conservatives in general are certainly fit to do it for Obama. Do conservatives ever actually look at Presidential records? Like job growth, balanced budgets, debt to G.D.P., things like that? Were you trying to say sweat?

How does he compare to George Bush Jr? We know what a great President the last Democrat was. How was the job growth under George Sr. and George Jr. combined. Would it surprise you to know there was less job creation by 4 million jobs in their twelve years, than under Jimmy Carter in 4 years. Did you know the United States was hemorrhaging over 700 thousand jobs a month when Obama took over. I know conservatives expect liberals to clean up the messes they leave behind, but you can't expect miracles. Did you see the Job/Unemployment graph below?

I might dare to say that Reagan, in fact, was not fit enough to suck the smeg off of Obama's ...

I thought it was the other way around.

since when is sucking the sweat off of a jock strap an activity that requires fitness?

Reagan wasn't smart enough to wear a jockstrap. He played sports in Nancy's undies.

Well, at least you have managed to do your jobs again. The conversation was supposed to be about Republicans lying about Reagan raising taxes. But you have managed to turn it into a how shitty is Obama thing again haven't you? I don't think there was ten comments on this topic before you guys highjacked it again.

What he said was the absolute truth. That doesn't open him up for criticism. It gives you the opportunity to defend Republicans if you choose to by debunking what he said. Are you saying no matter what he says about the Republicans, you get to invalidate it because you don't like what he does? Tell us what you think about what he said. What do you think about the voracity of his statement? Are Republicans lying about Reagan's tax record or not? And if they are, why are they doing it? Do you think it's just to protect tax cuts for the rich? Ronald Reagan knew enough to raise taxes on them after he made the mistake of lowering them. The Republicans know this. So why lie about it? Is it because they know Obama will raise taxes on the rich to help pay down the deficit if they don't? What other reason could there be for such blatant lies? Republicans have done nothing but obstruct this President and conservatives are blaming him for the problems that were clearly created by the the last administration. Every time Obama has tried to do something to create jobs, the Republicans have shot it down. They wouldn't even go for a .7% tax increase on the rich to create hundreds of thousands of jobs rebuilding the infrastructure. Something that has to be done anyway. Do you not recognize the mess the country was in when he took over as a direct result of having Republicans in the White House? Instead of going after Obama every time we try to have a conversation. Discuss the topic at hand. Tell us your thoughts on the item posted. It's not as though there are not plenty of conversations about liberal disappointment in the man that you can use to air your grievances with him on this web site. The N.D.A.A. conversation we had is a good example of one.

What he was saying is that is what today's Republican party would consider him if he was trying to win the primary now. They would call him a wild eyed, socialist, tax hiking, class warrior.

LOL I'm going to have that picture in my head all day!!!!!

and you are, right? Love that sweat of Reagan's jock strap, eh?

Taht would assume Reagan HAD a jock strap....or something to protect IN it.
Come on...tell the truth! What bothers you white conservative repubs MOST is, you can tell by looking at Obama he HAS A PENIS that WORKS. OMG, a man who doesnt NEED VIAGRA!
I can see how that would offend you.

Nah. They just see a virile, potent BLACK man, married to a gorgeous BLACK woman (they'd secretly LOVE to boink.....) and comparing how sadly they would measure up.....makes them vewwy, vewwy angwy.

Oh, I'd guess there's about a four inch difference.

True....but I bet he's enjoy trying.

Oh, come on, now! Just because he liked to wear Nancy's panties doesnt mean he played sports!

Well stated!

True! He'd have been purged from the party as they've been doing for years anyone who wasn't right-wing-corporate-fascist enough.

Teapublicans never let facts get in the way of their rhetoric, vitriol, lies, and distortion of reality!!!

They also seem to have an obsession with Reagan's ball-sweat for some reason...

Oddly, I have heard something about that... =)

I only fart when Venus enters Aries.

dyngus day, Eh'??? =)

Yep it is in the mail :>)

Nice... Keep them folks Working... =)

I think Any of our 'Elected Officials' over the age of 65 should retire... That's just my opinion, I think we need a change of Blood in our government, folks that have been there for thirty years have done their part to 'Represent' the people who elected them, let them move on as our technology does everyday, much of which many haven't a Clue how to use... They are not inline with everyday working Americans... So How can they Represent??? =))=

After a few decades yeah, they probably are a bit out of touch with constituents. Some of our best, though, have been older and/or many term incumbents. I don't know. Can't make the call, I guess that's why they are elected.

That could indeed be the case... Look at Bernie Sanders... =)

I Totally Agree dugdog47, still odd how they (GOP) fail to remember these Factoids... =))=

It's much too inconvenient and would require actual thought.

Have you been Fooled???

Good hell, you sound just like Dubya! Great job!

time and time again, sadly

You mean by BO??? How was things with GW???

really? explain how. or are you just trying to smear me by comparing me to a hated figure? i would love to hear about when dubya talked about politicans all being the same tool of their corporate overlords who mouth philosophies they never attempt to realize through action

the same as they were with BO, the same as they were with clinton, reagan, carter, gw1, nixon, lbj. politicians running on philosophical differences yet acting on the same agenda, that of the corporate overlords that buy and sell them and keep us enslaved consumers, apathetic and all too comfortable in our velvet chains

I was living much better when Clinton was in Office...

Once again a conversation about calling out the Republicans and their lies brings out a conservative to try and derail it. Why don't you tell us your opinion on why Republicans refuse to tell the truth about Reagan's taxation record? How do you feel about Reagan raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion, making the U.S. the largest debtor in the world? Why not give us your views on the overwhelming success of the last Republican President? You know, the one that was losing 700 thousand jobs a month at the end of his term. Why not tell us what you think about the Bush tax cuts for the rich because they are the job creators? They haven't created a single job in the 10 years those cuts have been in affect. How do you feel about the Republicans lying the country into the war in Iraq? I don't read much from conservatives about that one. Must be because you haven't figured out a way to blame it on Obama yet, but I'm sure you are working on it. How do you feel about the Republicans beating the drums for a war against Iran? Do you think they are concerned about how a country already in debt up to their eyeballs is going to pay for it? We know how you feel about Obama. Now tell us how you feel about the things the Republicans are responsible for in the last 30 years.

Agreed!!! =)

Do you think Itsbatman_Durr had absolutely nothing to say about Reagan raising taxes, and immediately went after Obama because Itsbatman_Durr isn't a conservative. Tell me, if you sat with a group of strangers for a day, and didn't talk about politics at all, do you think you could tell if they were of a conservative mind set, or a liberal mind set when you were done? Conservative vs. liberal isn't about politics. It's about what kind of person you are. It's about your level of humanity. A conservative leaning country like the U.S. may well never have health care for all. Liberal leaning countries have had health care for all, in some cases, for almost 100 years. That's the difference.

And who was responsible for The New Deal that shared in that recovery? Conservatives or liberals? Who is telling us the New Deal was a failure? Conservatives or liberals? Who are the ones that are now insisting on tax cuts for the rich and maintaining the concentration of wealth at the top? Conservatives or liberals. The graph I put up shows without question that the country was losing jobs under the Republicans at a record pace, and is now gaining them back under the Democrats. This with a Republican Congress working day and night to make sure it doesn't happen.

well thats all that matters, eh?

because i am not a conserv? and i dont blame obama. he is just a tool of the machine, same as reagan, bush, clinton, carter, nixon, lbj et al were. pay attention, and stop being such a partisan tool

its not about philosophies. its not about theoreticals. its about reality, and the fact that you and i and everyone else is a slave to apathy, a slave to the machine that spouts opposing ideals yet acts on the same agenda. noone is saying there is no dictionary difference between conserv and lib. i am saying that the PTB pretend to believe in their shite, and you and others lap it up. wake the fuck up. occupy everything. ffs people are saying 'well i was comfy in the 90s' as if thats the fucking barometer. you were comfy because you were allowed to be. because the house of cards hadnt begun to crumble yet. not because a repug or demagogue did a bang up job. you think you have freedom? join us on the ground peacefully protesting and take some mace and tear gas and baton beatings of freedom then. watch as the police stomp free speech out of your brothers and sisters. then tell me how comfy it is. read the NDAA, and tell me what a lover of freedom the current regime is, and how different they are than any others. ask afgani's if the bombs that killed their children feel kinder and gentler now that its obama chuckin them. ask the jailed and beaten occupiers how proud they are that obama derides syria and iran for not allowing free speech while the DC police outside his window do the same

thought patterns like that are part of the problem with the world. clueless partisans who believe the hype and refuse to see the reality

lol you are a true believer who i guess loves the feel of the velvet chains. thats ok while you are helping the machine control the masses, i will still be fighting for your freedom

What are you talking about. The difference between a liberal and a conservative is a philosophical difference, a difference in our level of humanity. Politics is just a manifestation of the differences. If another country can be taken advantage of, a liberal is more likely to say no, they didn't do anything to us. If there is someone in trouble, a liberal is more likely to help out. If there isn't enough to go around, a liberal is more likely to give up their share. If someone is wrongly convicted, a liberal is more likely to do something about it. If someone of another race moves into the neighborhood, a liberal is more likely to be the first one there to greet them. If another country can be taken advantage of, a conservative is more likely to be all for it. If someone is in trouble, a conservative is more likely to say pull yourself up by your bootstraps and solve your own problems. If there isn't enough to go around, a conservative is more likely to say I got mine, to bad for you. If a person is wrongly convicted, a conservative is more likely to say they probably did something else against the law anyway. If someone from another race moves into the neighborhood,a conservative is more likely to be the first one to complain about it. The only way this world becomes a better place for everybody is to end conservative thinking everywhere. The oppressors you are talking about and the people who seek to rule from above, those that want to strengthen the hold of the few over the many, are dyed in the wool conservatives. If Obama wins the next election, and does not do anything to reverse that course, then he can call himself a liberal, a Democrat or a cheese danish, he will be a conservative.

Who said anything about the government. I said politics is a manifestation of conservative vs. liberal. If someone is in trouble, a liberal is likely to help and a conservative is likely to tell them to go to hell. Conservatives love warfare. Liberals hate it. Liberals are willing to help the poor and conservatives are willing to piss on them. Liberals want health care for all and conservatives are willing to pay twice as much as any other country does for the same thing just so long as they know there position is killing somebody. Conservatives are racists and liberals aren't. Conservatives start wars in foreign lands to take a countries resources. Liberals start charities in foreign lands to take away their pain. Face it JohnA, liberals are more human than conservatives and prove it every day.

Agreed

Mind if I answer?

"Why not tell us what you think about the Bush tax cuts for the rich because they are the job creators?"

They're the Obama tax cuts now. The Obama administration extended them while telling the gullible they had no choice.

"How do you feel about the Republicans lying the country into the war in Iraq?"

I hate them for it. I also hate the Democrats and the mass media for enabling them.

It is very narrow sighted to blame all of the ills on the Republicans. It's also lazy because it's so easy. You really have to be paying attention to see how the Democrats are also to blame. Favoring one elite-serving party over the other isn't the right answer. The enlightened reject them both.

Exactly. If we had a Republican in office he probably would have extended the Bush tax cuts, started more wars, extended and expanded the Patriot Act, assassinated American citizens without due process, shielded the Bush administration from any accountability for their war crimes, waged a war against whistleblowers for exposing corruption, waged war without congressional approval, continued the war on drugs, build up the security/surveillance state, etc. It would have been, like, horrible! Good thing we have a Democrat to do these things instead. It's much more palatable that way.

So he extended the Bush tax cuts under the unrelenting pressure of the Republicans in Congress, so now their his? B.S. Now the bush tax cuts for the rich are Obama's fault to? The only problems the United States has are a direct result of having the Republican party. Everything is their fault. The recession is their fault. The wars are their fault. Laissez faire free markets are their fault. Unemployment is their fault. Divisiveness is their fault. The war on women is their fault. The deficit is their fault. Destruction of social programs is their fault. The activist Supreme Court is their fault. Voter suppression is their fault. The lack of health care for all is their fault. Lying in the media is their fault (you can thank Reagan and Bush Sr, for that). Rush Limbaugh is their fault. Fox News is their fault. The only real problem the U.S. has right now is the Republican Party and the fools that keep voting for them!

If you think that's that is all a Republican would have done to the country than you had your head under a rock from 2000 until 2008. All of the whistleblowers charged under the Obama administration, all 6 of them, have been charged with espionage. I have no Idea if these are valid charges or not, but to make it sound like he is going after whistleblowers in general is irresponsible. Do you think the same thing is happening to whistleblowers in the private sector? Not a chance. What do you think would have happened to the country if he brought the majority of the Republican Party up on charges of war crimes. Of course the entirety of the Republican Party are war criminals or criminals of some kind, they are Republicans. What war did he wage without congressional approval? His assistance to other countries in Libya? Boy didn't that turn out just as disastrous as Iraq and Afghanistan. I still can't figure out the medical marijuana thing. You got me there. I would think under a Republican, the U.S. would have all these things and more. The Iraq war would still be going gangbusters and the country might well be in Iran by now. Conveniently forgetting what it was like to have a Republican in the White House will will get the United States in a world of trouble. The country could end up with another one. Then where would the U.S. be? As a matter of fact, if there was one in there now the world would probably be in a full blown depression.

I am disgusted with Obama for many of the very same reasons I was disgusted with Bush. Those who cannot see that Obama is essentially Bush's third term have their heads under a rock now.

That's the MSNBC version of the story, but I don't buy it personally. It was an act. Here's a quote from Matt Taibbi:

Quote from Matt Taibbi:

"The Democrats, despite sitting in the White House, the most awesome repository of political power on the planet, didn't fight at all. . . . We probably need to start wondering why this keeps happening. Also, this: if the Democrats suck so bad at political combat, then how come they continue to be rewarded with such massive quantities of campaign contributions? When the final tally comes in for the 2012 presidential race, who among us wouldn't bet that Barack Obama is going to beat his Republican opponent in the fundraising column very handily? At the very least, he won't be out-funded, I can almost guarantee that.

And what does that mean? Who spends hundreds of millions of dollars for what looks, on the outside, like rank incompetence?

It strains the imagination to think that the country's smartest businessmen keep paying top dollar for such lousy performance. Is it possible that by "surrendering" at the 11th hour and signing off on a deal that presages deep cuts in spending for the middle class, but avoids tax increases for the rich, Obama is doing exactly what was expected of him?"

Full Article here: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/debt-ceiling-deal-the-democr...

I have got a lot of complaints about Obama too. But the idea that he has caused as much damage or problems as a Republican in the White House can is nuts in my opinion. The United States has moved so far to the right, that it almost does not matter who the politicians are. Being as far right of center as the United States is right now, is a guaranty that the problems will just get worse.

I agree with this part and voted your comment up:

"The United States has moved so far to the right, that it almost does not matter who the politicians are."

I am disheartened by how far the US has moved to the right :-(

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00009638

Last night I was trying to find out were Obama's campaign contributions come from. He has @ $87 million dollars on hand. Almost 50% of that money came from small donors. Romney has @ $64 million on hand and only 10% of that money has come from small donors. I would never doubt Matt's research, but the limited information I could find would suggest Romney is getting a lot more money from the rich and influential than Obama, and Obama is getting far more money from the average citizen than Romney. The top 5 contributors to Romney's campaign are all corporations (banks). None of them gave the Romney campaign less than $282,765. Of the top 5 contributors to Obama's campaign, only 3 were corporations and two were schools. None of them gave the Obama campaign more than $289,088. Of Obama's top 20 contributors 5 of them were schools. The total of Obamas top ten contributors comes to $1,589,723 with most of them being schools, communications companies and law firms. The total of Romney's top ten contributors is $2,919,257 and every single one of them was a bank or Wall Street firm. In fact, all 20 of Romney's top contributors were banks and wall Street firms. Not one of Obama's top 20 contributors in the 2012 election cycle has been a bank or Wall Street firm. Not one.

Most people lived better under Clinton KB.. Then we got GW =(