Vanguard | December 10, 2008 | 124 comments

Japan: Robot Nation

Adam_Yamaguchi

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Japan, the world's second largest economy, is facing a demographic crisis that will shrink the population dramatically. The Japanese aren't having babies, and the country won't accept immigrants to help bolster the population. But Japan may have a unique solution --- Robots!

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  • bosunbilly
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      bosunbilly  
    • So they'd rather dump billions into R&D on autonomous robots rather than engage in some good old fashioned boot knockin' to solve their problem?

      Maybe Japan should collapse.

    • 5 months ago
  • Tophermen
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      Tophermen  
    • Japan should focus on marketing towards its citizens on the benefits of creating and having a family. In addition, they should recognize its immigrants equally as any citizen and as a vital source of fulfilling the population gap. Those are my two cents(sense) to this very insightful documentary.

    • 1 year ago
  • tammytymeproduktions
  • runthetown
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      runthetown  
    • tammytymeproduktions:

      If you mean God when you say All That Is, (you would have to because you are using the Bible as back up) then you are taking that verse way out of context. God created us in his own image and then we procreate. I'm positive He was not talking about robots.

    • 1 year ago
  • tammytymeproduktions
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      tammytymeproduktions  
    • runthetown:

      If we are created in the image of God, why would we not be able to create life in this way?

      Okay, say for some reason, we're limited to "procreation". The word has four definitions. You use its objectified meaning in definition 1 "to beget offspring".

      Clearly, we live in an age when there are numerous ways to do this.

      I'm referring more to its 2nd definition. In the context of this quantum conversation, lingo such as "All That Is" (implies ever evolving inclusion------ animism per this story) instead of "God" (static) is necessary for meaningful dialogue across social stratum to occur.

      Just something to consider on the www.

      pro·cre·ate  /ˈproʊkriˌeɪt/ Show Spelled [proh-kree-eyt] Show IPA verb,-at·ed, -at·ing.
      –verb (used with object)
      1. to beget or generate (offspring).
      2. to produce; bring into being.

      –verb (used without object)
      3. to beget offspring.
      4. to produce; bring into being.
      Use procreate in a Sentence
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      Origin:
      1530–40; < L prōcreātus, ptp. of prōcreāre to breed. See pro-1, create

      tAM

    • 1 year ago
  • runthetown
  • manhattan_project
  • FarazHonarparvar
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      FarazHonarparvar  
    • I believe Japan will find some other means of increasing their population other than robots. I think the main concern this video/report brings out is the racism found in Japan. Racism towards foreigners is probably a huge problem in Japan because foreigners will solve the problem of low birth rates. An example of where this type of theory has worked in is Canada. In Canada the birth rate is low (not as low as Japans) but they still manage to have a good economy and a high population. The reason why is simple, immigrants and foreigners. Canada is a very diverse country with tons of people from all over the world and they manage to get along; why cant Japan do the same?
      Japan needs to first get control over their stereotypical views and make way for the future.

    • 1 year ago
  • Toby_Smith
  • David_Cortorreal
  • platanoman
  • killingjoke
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      killingjoke  
    • I watched this on Xmas day (2009). Yeah, a year after it originally aired. Great documentary. I was saddened and shocked to learn Japan is an intensely racist nation. I recently purchased a book called Shutting Out The Sun, which attempts to understand Japan's current collective psychological dysfunction.. I mean, I know this culture is going through something... unique. Yet, now after watching this, I'm less sympathetic. At least they still have some great commentary coming in the form of Sion Sono's films that try to explain this tragic state of affairs. And "Ikiru" is still my 2nd fave film of all time. But again, I am really upset that the Japanese are so prejudiced and would treat foreigners as 2nd class citizens. This is why the Boston Red Sox took nearly a hundred years to finally win the World Series: They were the last MLB team to have any black players.

    • 2 years ago
  • kidnoise
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      kidnoise  
    • This is a very interesting story that really caught my attention. It was both entertaining and very very insightful. The same problem is going on in other Asian countries, such as Hong Kong, where most couples aren't even marrying, or the couples who are married refuse to have children. The couples who do not have children use pets as substitutes, probably because it's a lot easier to take care and the idea of child-bearing and childcare is way too stressful for them. I can definitely see a trend coming about, and it's very startling.

      What I can infer from this is that many of these cultures, are still retaining a youthful perspective on things. Many of them don't really want to go through the trouble of starting a family, settling down, etc., and are paying a hefty price because of it.

    • 2 years ago
  • johnnyrebel
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      johnnyrebel  
    • i cant help but think of the difference betweeen here(usa) and japan in terms of the robot and sex. japan is not having sex or kids and uses human like robots, in the U.S. people are having dare I say too much sex and kids and im pretty sure that if a human-robot came in the U.S. the first question would be" can i have sex with it?" so i think
      JAPAN=MONEY AND FREEDOM
      .....Hmmm whats the name of that movie>> Idiocracy....Japanese ppl should watch this

    • 2 years ago
  • laurelshoop
  • Kristine_Maitland
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      Kristine_Maitland  
    • I fear that Adam's problem as a host was that he was too masculine looking. Back in Canada, my girlfriends (and some of my male friends) would eat him for breakfast. But those hosts in Japan look like "grass eaters" to me.

    • 2 years ago
  • gweller
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      gweller  
    • The only thing you have seen is a slanted liberal view of Japan. Japanese are nationalists and believe in borders, language, and culture. The US has a huge problem right now because they don't uphold any of those three. Other countries in Europe are having the same problems.

      I worked and lived in Japan for two years as a "Japanese Employee". I very rarely experienced any racism. The one time I did it was because they did not allow foreigners into a pachinko parlor. Big deal. The rest of the people treated me no different than Americans do. Japan had a big ex-pat scene which were filled with people who refused to integrate into Japanese society and instead spent their time moaning about it. Japanese people do not like people who make no effort to integrate and rightly so.

    • 2 years ago
  • s2tm
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      s2tm  
    • i was looking for the robot doc, but found one about 'japanese racist' tendencies. Wow, I had inclinations of the thought, but now I've seen it with my own eyes. This leads me to asking why has nothing changed since wwII when Japan then, made some bad choices that led to their siding with the axis. I understand that back then, 'foreigners' including the chinese were thought of by the population at large, as 'subhuman'. Now 50 years later I see that they have not made much social progress, except that they've made robots that will do and act as they wish. The only post apocalyptic society that appears to be going down the road that seems to be assigned to such category, that being, segmented, sad and lonely. That's unfortunate, very unfortunate indeed.

      TB

    • 2 years ago
  • Melly_Martinez
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      Melly_Martinez  
    • this was very eye opening. I never knew how japan was turning out. to bad its kind of scary, japan pritty much promotes peace, but they do not like immigration? good facts although, it dose bring violance, but do we have to keep up with there standards? japans taking over!

    • 2 years ago
  • jcamille
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      jcamille  
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    • This reminds me of that Will Smith movie "i,Robot" and that anime show "Ghost in the Shell"

      And I think Adam looked cute in his host suit! I'd buy a drink from him. I really don't get those Tokyo girls taste in men.

    • 2 years ago
  • C_Ricci
  • Tyler_Robbins
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      Tyler_Robbins  
    • Whenever I find myself trapped somewhere and need something to watch, this is the pod I pull up. This whole topic is endlessly fascinating, and could've made for a whole series of reports. The male hosts, especially, were something I'd love to see more about, partly out of curiosity, and partly because of career envy.

    • 2 years ago
  • AnotherEducatedWhiteGuy
  • Postfactoetc
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      Postfactoetc  
    • This is quite amazing and frightening. In a way it seems that these robots will help aide in the preserving of the population and in turn the purity of the culture and society. However, one must wonder, if the robots take all the jobs that are deemed as manual labor or rudimentary, will the society at large be preserved? Would there only be just the high class if this takes affect?

    • 2 years ago
  • el3azzi
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      el3azzi  
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    • I was in Japan last July...and one of the surprise which I found was their WC...it's fantastic..u dont need to do anything even than ur necessities xD

      I love Japan society because they implent the technology and the inventions that they made in their current life. AMAZING!!!

    • 2 years ago
  • EscarpasMistress
  • TheJerryMadden
  • el3azzi
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      el3azzi  
    • I was in Japan, and it's a amazing country. I am studying engineering at Spaish university and I feel so confortable in Japan because if u want to make something new or useful to the people it's your country.

      I am posting one video of my trip. I hope u enjoy it.

    • 2 years ago
  • vistapoint
  • kapa926
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      kapa926  
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    • Love this! Being Japanese-American, I've been aware of these 'oddities' of Japanese culture, but this segment really showed it in an objective and balanced way. Great work!!
      Just wanted to add a few more examples.
      1) Being an island community, as you mentioned in the clip, they do fear immigrants and are very bias against them. Recent news shows how foreign workers living in Hamamatsu were paid to go back and never come to Japan again... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/business/global/23immigrant.html?_r=1&hp
      2) The influx of "grass-eating men" (soushoku danshi) who are known as the image of the weakening of Japanese men. (and the increase in "meat-eating women" who are more gutsy and like to be in control). Recent news article: http://www.slate.com/id/2220535/

      ps. Adam - thought you looked great as a "hosuto"! Too bad the Japanese girls are all into the more effeminate types.

    • 2 years ago
  • jennatar
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      jennatar  
    • This is outstanding journalism. I've read a lot about robotics in Japan, but also about host bars' increasing popularity with career women, the touchy reality of Japanese xenophobia, and most recently, about "herbivores" -- that's the cultural trend of young Japanese men being less and less concerned with sex. This piece really brought all those seemingly disparate cultural trends to a very logical, well reasoned conclusion. Brilliant.

      Moving on: I can't say I am surprised by trends there, and I wonder if we aren't ourselves veering toward the same conclusions (which, now that I'm finally there, I guess is the piece's point). The United States has been more sly about its promotion of marriage and babymaking, but we have a lot of career women, too, who don't have time to date (that's a huge selling point for sites like Match and eHarmony). And while we don't have the same widely reported trends of agoraphobia, maybe any city dweller can sympathize with that kind of alienation. We're a long way from running out of employees in the workforce and needing to replace them with cheap robotic help, but we are as impressed with automation as the Japanese are. Moreover, we culturally are uncomfortably close to rejecting human companionship and requiring electronic or digital surrogates (see also my semi-active current.com account).

      In the video, a robotics scientist mentions "Astro Boy" and that icon's mission to help humankind. Astro Boy's creater, Osamu Tezuka -- himself a doctor -- wrote that character in the aftermath of WWII, during which technological and scientific advances were used by all factions to terrorize humankind. Rather than being disheartened, Tezuka willfully sought hope, and he anticipated robotics' benevolent uses and a brighter future.

      And certainly these humanitarian goals with robotics are all very noble, but of course -- maybe given my cultural differences -- these methods scream "uncanny valley" to me. There is nothing so terrifying and lonely as this degree of artifice.

      P.S. The bit with the plush robot seal made me realize how "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" Furbys and Tamagotchis really are.

    • 2 years ago
  • SuperMatt
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      SuperMatt  
    • Amazing and true. I live in Japan and have to deal with insanely illogical and annoying paradoxes everyday. But I still love Japan! It`s extreme love hate as a foreigner.

      It`s the old dinosaur generation that are opposed to change. The younger generation will have no problems at all. They learn English in school sometimes from the age of 6 or 7 and are interested in foreign countries. I am a school teacher, I am witnessing a new generation.

      Also, Adam is hot!

    • 2 years ago
  • devilman676
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      devilman676  
    • I could be wrong here but even if they do implement robots to take over or assist in mundane daily tasks aren't they going to need a workforce to maintain the upkeep on the machines? We all know that the life span of technology is very short and I wonder how quickly they would breakdown from daily use/abuse etc...

    • 2 years ago
  • xroad66
  • gingin_san
  • sk8bs55
  • anticry
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      anticry  
    • I really appreciated the background or possible reasons of how they've reached this huge interest for human-like robots.
      And I could understand why women choose to be more independent but the lack of human contact is just incredible! I can’t really see robots fulfilling that need for human touch. What these robots are capable of doing is impressive, no doubt, but I would not be complete or comfortable without true human emotion because programmed emotions are still just programmed. For a culture built on Shinto faith, where everything has a spirit, it seems like it might just work though.

      Overall, great pod.
      Good Job! :)

    • 2 years ago
  • thereveille
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      thereveille  
    • It seems to me like Japan is too dependent on technology nowadays rather than interacting with other people.
      Using a vending machine to order your meal... really? A robot nation would be incredibly freaky. I'd hate to see a country turn lazy with machines doing all the work for them. If they were to do something like that the people would have no work ethic and contribute nothing to the economy and would probably fall behind in education, leaving people to be a bunch of blubbering idiots cared for by a robot.

    • 2 years ago
  • sk8bs55
  • atomiclegion
  • ashgallagher
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      ashgallagher  
    • this is a very informative piece and i appreciate the time you took for it.

      but can i say..."battlestar galactica" in real life? the robots are a bit creepy for the notes you mentioned in the documentary.

      i almost think it's dangerous to try and put human nature into that of a machine -- you might say that japanese could gain a sense of "someone else there"- but it's still not completely real and the way that two human souls connect will never fill their void. however based ONLY on your piece, i wonder if they've become so technilogically focused that they now see baby making as economic rather than "human."

      this is interesting either way. thanks again adam.

    • 2 years ago
  • vistapoint
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      vistapoint  
    • And Adam Yamaguchi you are such a great journalist! The social context (population aging rapidly) is a superb angle, so insightful

    • 2 years ago
  • vistapoint
  • unthought89
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      unthought89  
    • That was amazing. I don't know what to respond to this except. Its hard to believe that on the other side of the world and under the same sky and sun all this is happening. At the same time it makes me wonder if the human race is coming to its climax. I understand that WWII did some damage to their society. Though I don't believe that that is the full cause that has created this effect. If you have ever watched documentaries on Japanese women they claim they no longer wish to settle with the cultures repeated path. They seek other interest in different races and migrate to other countries. As a human being I don't wish to see an entire culture dwindle to the existence of history in a text book. Though at the same time should no government force it upon the people to have children. It seems like yesterday they were becoming over populated. I hope that this technology is shared with other countries. Yet at the same time I hope that the ignorance of other countries dose not have an effect. Once again thank you ADAM to opening our eyes to whats going on around the world.

    • 2 years ago
  • Johnjurado
  • TheUnclean
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      TheUnclean  
    • My former co-worker is a Chinese national and said that they too are about to hit a major wall. Men outnumber women several times over and the next 2 generations will be a major test of that nations survival.
      And, IMHO, the robots are cool only if not used to replace a human based social life.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ayumi
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      Ayumi  
    • A society which practices and inspires the perfection… Technological advance takes the step on the human nature...I'd never seen Japan under this angle!
      I'm Japanese' animation fan...Chobit is coming soon in real life!!!!

      Thanx Adam, it was very informative and interesting...and you were very sexy in your hosting suit (^__^) I would have designated you everyday!

    • 2 years ago
  • forgot171
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      forgot171  
    • This is a very interesting pod. I would like to see more about the robot being developed by honda. The pod showed some quick clips of the robot, but it didn't show it responding to any commands directly. Also how would these robots be used outside of the house. In other words how they know where they were going?

    • 2 years ago
  • kiawagirl
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      kiawagirl  
    • Racism seems to be not only a white American thing, but a world wide affliction. Japan not allowing any immigrants and allowing themselves to die out or substitute a human life with a robot is ridiculous! You cant substitute the beauty of humanity with a robot. Hmmm. Japan denying immigrants because they dont want to degrade the purity of there race...sounds an aweful lot like a certain group of faciast germans we know.

    • 2 years ago
  • dbeckmann
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      dbeckmann  
    • Paging commander data... I wonder if this if their culture is why they had couldnt adapt quick enough to avoid the "lost decade" and their present population issues--and hopefully why our recent increased openness will prevent ours....

    • 2 years ago
  • tammytymeproduktions
  • hollyhox
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      hollyhox  
    • more power to the japanese for reducing population with robots and not war and violence. I would like to help their work force.

    • 2 years ago
  • kevung
  • PeachYogurt
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      PeachYogurt  
    • I do get worried sometimes. Japanese people are known to be racisits, from personal experience I think it is just ignorance. They only believe what they are shown on TV,etc. Many I meet still believe that all blacks in Japan are rich gangsters. Like..seriously believe it. It's sad. Anti-Korean & Chinese mentality will never go away I think, just because of the Japanese occupation, etc. It may get better, but some places here in America still don't like blacks. People don't like to change. I hate it that you can't get hired if you are foreign/it takes FOREVER. Even if you speak/write. And that interracial marriage is seriously frowned upon. Halfie kids may be the new "cool thing" but they are still rare and they still get teased at school.(and Japanese-style "ijime" has got nothin' on the USA) OMG, and having darker skin tones while is seen as pretty by some, is ugly to others.
      The robots, etc is cool however I do get worried. I want to talk to someone! Vending machines can be so annoying. Low human-human interaction is definately adding to the low birthrate and marriage rates. Good pod!!

    • 2 years ago
  • Alisa_Panova
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      Alisa_Panova  
    • This is a great documentary. A lot of very interesting issues touched on. It leaves me very curious to know more.

      The replacement of teachers with robots idea scares me a lot. That will kill the personalization of education as well as one more step of socialization. And the Japanese already have a problem with the latter one. I'd say make them socialize more! And introduce to other cultures, for god's sakes!

    • 2 years ago
  • ks33182
  • gem7007
  • TabulaRasa
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      TabulaRasa  
    • I never fully realized how racist Japan is until I saw this episode of Vanguard a month ago. Personally I was shocked because I have many friends that are from all around Asia including Japanese.

      Of course we can't lose the Japanese, they bring some of the greatest [and weirdest] inventions!

    • 3 years ago
  • Kidryu16
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      Kidryu16  
    • This was crazy, i would never really think that the japanese would deny work to immigrants, but i guess i kind of understand since they might not have jobs for themselves to choose from, but i guess that's still not right either way if someone does a better job then give them the work and having them change who they are, that's unjust, but I would like to know what do they think about like white and black people, from other places then just South America. I don't want to leave out the robots, that's insane but super cool. And is the idea of the Japanese leaving the country for more space and more jobs even an option? that's it thanks.

    • 3 years ago
  • crispyfritters
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      crispyfritters  
    • Honestly, this situation is beginning to expose the problem with their view of foreigners, which has remained intact for a very long time. At the very least, the population crisis will force them to rethink their immigration policy, and the way they treat foreigners, and they'll be much better off for it.

      Mark my words, robots aren't going to help nearly as much as some people think they will. Robots will help cushion the fall when it comes to labor, but robots cant participate in the community like humans can, especially when the market is concerned. You need consumers to support the economy, after all.

    • 3 years ago
  • Jryoho
  • genxmusix
  • jenuribe
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      jenuribe  
    • this was awesome.

      but strongly believe robots will never be able to surpass the capacity us as humans have to do many things such as feel.. and simply love.

    • 3 years ago
  • fedoratravels
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      fedoratravels  
    • Population growth is not static, don't listen to speculated future statistics...if there's one thing the human species does well is reproduce (the Japanese aren't pandas after all). These people realize that just because you can have babies doesn't mean you should. If it comes down to saving the race, they'll make it happen. So put on a jacket and collect more toys, and soon we'll all be turning Japanese! oh, and GREAT VIDEO!

    • 3 years ago
  • EscarpasMistress
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      EscarpasMistress  
    • We need human touch regardless of how little the population is going to be in any country.

      Replacing teachers with robots is not the answer; replacing car manufacturer workers with robots has already happened..

      This would be like the industrial revolution in the UK, where modern machinery took over and workers protested.. Obviously there will be less workers if the population is going down.. If Japan had a open immigration system the immigrants would be flooding in.. That's my opinion.. Simply replacing people with robots is not enough and it would make Japan even more homogenous than it already is.

    • 3 years ago
  • marboss
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      marboss  
    • I think if you ask quite a bit of Americans, Europeans (like the French in particular), Australians... hell even parts of Latin America, you will see that the immigration issue is not one merely of racism and not only found in Japan. The same thing happened here in the US when the Irish and Italians immigrated in vast numbers and now it is happening to Hispanics. People like the familiar and vast immigration isn't exactly that.

    • 3 years ago
  • ClassicWinter
  • nemomarlin
  • middle_east
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      middle_east  
    • Wow! This blew my mind. This piece covered many different issues - why couples are not procreating, the equality of men and women, the influence of immigrants in Japan, technology, how the Japanese will use this technology, etc. Excellent. I am sending this to everyone I know.

    • 3 years ago
  • Deus_ex_machina
  • RebLaCrusade
  • EmperorThan
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      EmperorThan  
    • I love how first they're saying "Japan's population is about to collapse because people are withdrawing from society..."

      then it's like "Hey look, Japan made robots you can have sex with!"

      PROBLEM SOLVED!...

      "Wait what?"

    • 3 years ago
  • UWAZell
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      UWAZell  
    • This is a great pod, but I found that the most interesting aspect of it was the reflection on how they they treated the immigrants as well as their stance on the issue. Seems like the Japanese have a ways to go on the issue of tolerance and acceptance.

    • 3 years ago
  • savageworld
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      savageworld  
    • this is DOPE.. One of the best, if not the best thing I've seen on this channel. The robots are sweet, but everything works so well, from the story/writing to the hosting to the music. You took hard concepts like birthrates, and made it compelling television.
      incredible shit, keep it up

    • 3 years ago
  • wegomakit
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      wegomakit  
    • That was a great pod. I live in Japan so I knew everything you were talking about. I really love it in Japan. Yes the old people are taking over and yes the dating scene is the worst but I still love alot of things about Japan. The whole pod really stirs up alot of questions in my head. When I see Japanese women with foriegners I kind of get disgusted because most of the guys are dirt bags. I had a Japanese girlfriend but it ended all ghetto style. But then I was not totally up on the Japanese lifestyle. I think the young women in Japan really hold the future of Japan. I would hate to see the culture and the people die out and turn into robots. Many Japanese women are small and cute so I can see why having kids might hurt them. I have heard a lot of people say that after marriage they stop having sex. I don't know if it is true or not. It all just seem really sad to me, because these people are survivors and after it all they have built some very beautiful places. I wish this pod was translated to Japanese so I could show my friends.

    • 3 years ago
  • wegomakit
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      wegomakit  
    • I love Japan. I love Brazil. I would hate to see the Japanese population die out and turn to robots. I have spoken with Brazilians about how they are treated in Japan.They fell that they are enslaved working in Japan. I know it is true. I love gadgets and robots but I don't want them to take the place of human lives. I live in Japan and even though there have been barriers, many times I have been very blessed. I know very little Japanese and I have been treated with great kindness. If they end up teaching robots to be just like us then they are going to want to be as unique as us. Can you really explain what life is to an object. Those eldery women may love those little seals but I bet they remind them of someone or something they loved or love in real life. I always enjoy seeing the kids walking to school in their little uniforms. I try not to let them see me because they will greet me with a million hellos. Japan is not perfect but I would like it's people to be around in the future.

    • 3 years ago
  • MissP84
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      MissP84  
    • this is amazing and a little creepy at the same time. It's sad to think that the human population of such a vibrant culture is on the decline.

    • 3 years ago
  • xgrape_juicex
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • As usual, another excellent Vanguard slice of journalism.
      I can't help but wonder how the Japanese will be dealing with the increased number of elders in decades to come. In the past, Asian cultures have treated their seniors with a respect that the western world, the US in particular, has never fully understood or appreciated.
      Will this change, over time, due to dramatic shifts in population and economies?

    • 3 years ago
  • donkeyfly69
  • gweller
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      gweller  
    • Ashibata: "@gweller- Nationalist/racist call it what you will people are resistant to that which they don’t understand. It’s as simple as that. Lack of exposure and knowledge lead to prejudice. You can’t say that the prejudice against the Japanese born Korean lady is a result of Nationalism."

      Exactly what facts do you know about the law which requires them to change their last name to be a citizen which clearly shows that it is prejudism? If you are judging without facts, that is the exact definition of prejudice.

    • 3 years ago
  • ashibata
  • jjkenjr
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      jjkenjr  
    • gweller:

      As someone who has lived in both Japan and Korea I have witnessed for myself flat out racism....there is nothing else that you could call it. I was amazed at the strange looks I would get from both sides when I would say that I enjoyed living in Seoul/tokyo. I cannot speak for every japanese or korean but one thing that I was amazed at while living overseas in asia(2 years) was how deep rooted and almost without batting an eyelash they would discuss their dislike for each other.

    • 2 years ago
  • gweller
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      gweller  
    • carligula said:
      "Why dont you have a giant kid come out of your vagina. I think mens views of women have to change. This is no longer 1950s America."

      First of all babies are 6-7 lbs, which is not "giant". If you are having children larger than this it is because you are too fat and/or eating too much while pregnant. Second, anyone can have an epidural these days which reduces the pain to about nothing. Every woman I know that has had one says they only feel pressure and not pain. You are right, this is no longer the 1950s and women don't have to have painful childbirths anymore unless they want to.

      At any rate the women in Japan aren't having babies because of painful chidbirths, it is because they don't want to stay home, take care of children, and have a complex that they aren't as good as the men. They would rather go shopping and get drunk after work.

    • 3 years ago
  • ashibata
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      ashibata  
    • carligula said:
      "Why dont you have a giant kid come out of your vagina. I think mens views of women have to change. This is no longer 1950s America."

      If you think they have to change (which they should), maybe you should start first. With sexist responses like that you are contradicting your own point.

    • 3 years ago
  • ashibata
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      ashibata  
    • @kidsire- It’s not surprising to find that a almost completely homogeneous nation doesn’t accept other cultures. Go to any ethnically non-diverse town or area in America and you will find the same sentiment. Things that people are not familiar with, whether it be cultures, people, food, music, theory, or ideas will find resistance. People are hesistant to accept that which they don’t understand. This applies to all humans.

      @Sam_the_Wizer- I agree with you, but at least it addresses one problem, lack of workforce.

      @3rdarm & Adam- I agree, quite handsome.

      @HaloedGriot- I agree with the fact that if women had more equality, men would be less overworked and hey maybe they would have time to procreate. Crazy idea I know. One thing I am aware of is that Japan does not generally embrace individuality in the same way the West does/can. Additionally psychological treatment/opening up to another being in a medical setting is generally not considered a solution. When these ideals are combined in the Japanese culture, gadgets, robots, and sex toys seem like a great idea. And why wouldn’t they be, the novelty, the power of preference and reliable performance make a technological acceptance pretty easy. I think the Japan-US relationship noted is less realistic. I won’t go into this, since I rather site a well versed paper or textbook than express incorrect history. I just want to say that you like most of the comments seem to have no understanding of how Japanese culture works, or how they value things. Anyway…

      @J_Jammer- The reality of the situation is women in Japan don’t have equality. Maybe if they did, they wouldn’t have to view marriage as what it is. How can you get excited about being discriminated for the rest of your life. Let’s be real here. How can you have a good idea of marriage when marriage is usually not based on love or romance or whatever. It’s more for practicality. It’s hard to break such an ideal when women have historically been viewed in a closer likeness to servants than partners. And if that is an acceptable ideology how easy do you think it would be to “find the right person”?

      @princesslammy1977- It’s not about being good enough. It’s about technological curiosity mixed with potential work force problems  possible solution.

      @AmapolaMoreno- I completely disagree with you. Being a half Japanese, atheist, female, (yay I’m a statistic!)… I just wow… stop putting people in a box. 1) Being an atheist by definition has nothing to do with your women/men evolved differently crap. Atheism=without theism= without belief in deities. Nothing more nothing less. When you attach all that other crap to it you are just spouting your own ideas, please do not tag them with such identifying tags like “atheist.” You probably are misrepresenting your own category. Yes, women have a biology that produces hormones and chemicals to reproduce and be “maternal” this is biology and well documented science. This does not mean that all women do this nor does it mean that men are incapable of being maternal. Also this has nothing to do with atheism. Also any change of social inequality must occur from within the place when the conflict exists or no gain will occur. Just like segregation in the US or women stuck in conservative Muslim cultures, if others try to force a new standard it will just lead to backlash.

      @gweller- Nationalist/racist call it what you will people are resistant to that which they don’t understand. It’s as simple as that. Lack of exposure and knowledge lead to prejudice. You can’t say that the prejudice against the Japanese born Korean lady is a result of Nationalism.

      Ok, at least I addressed some things I was thinking while reading. Thanks, Adam! That was a very informative and well done pod!

    • 3 years ago
  • gweller
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      gweller  
    • ashibata:

      "@gweller- Nationalist/racist call it what you will people are resistant to that which they don’t understand. It’s as simple as that. Lack of exposure and knowledge lead to prejudice. You can’t say that the prejudice against the Japanese born Korean lady is a result of Nationalism."

      You don't understand why the Japanese require a name change. You assume it is because they are being prejudiced even though you don't know the facts behind it. That my dear is the definition of prejudism.

    • 3 years ago
  • gweller
    • -1
      gweller  
    • ashibata:

      "@gweller- Nationalist/racist call it what you will people are resistant to that which they don’t understand. It’s as simple as that. Lack of exposure and knowledge lead to prejudice. You can’t say that the prejudice against the Japanese born Korean lady is a result of Nationalism."

      You don't know the facts behind why Japanese require her to change her last name. Not having the facts and making judgments is the very definition of prejudice.

    • 3 years ago
  • HaloedGriot
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      HaloedGriot  
    • ashibata:

      "I just want to say that you like most of the comments seem to have no understanding of how Japanese culture works, or how they value things. Anyway…"

      The only way one could TRULY understand how Japanese culture "works" is to be born Japanese and grow up in the country, fully engulfed in it. Do you suggest otherwise? I'm sure the ethnically Korean woman knows better than I do...

      Nice try.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ayyu
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      Ayyu  
    • ashibata:

      Well said.

      I'm rather tired of seeing post after post written by men, and some women, who believe it's so natural for women to /want/ to stay at home, /want/ to spend an enormous proportion of their lives minding kids, who don't seem to have any dreams outside of this life or find fulfilment in work. That we're /all/ that way by virtue of being born female. Apparently we want to live this traditional woman's life so much, that we have to be told every day that we want it, silly us.

      These same men do not want any part of "women's lives" for themselves. If they magically had a vagina, they would fight the very social expctations they defend right now. They would NOT sit home and have babies and be happy little wives. And that's what they ask of us.

      As for women - don't let your pain and hardship "prove" their weak arguments that women should be in the home after all. If society didn't make it so /hard/ for working women to live in the first place, if we could allow for their needs, it needn't be so. Discrimination and outdated social expectations are reason for /change/, not for a return to a traditional lifestyle that simply isn't realistic anymore. I'm reminded of that priest who was against a black/white marriage because he was concerned that the child would be discriminated against. Remove the child, instead of the real problem - the discrimination! That is exactly what happens when people see working women struggling and conclude it's the /woman's/ fault for stepping out of her place, and that the discrimination has to stay.

    • 2 years ago
  • s0und0FF
  • gweller
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      gweller  
    • s0und0FF:

      s0und0ff:

      "@gweller- Nationalist/racist call it what you will people are resistant to that which they don’t understand. It’s as simple as that. Lack of exposure and knowledge lead to prejudice. You can’t say that the prejudice against the Japanese born Korean lady is a result of Nationalism."

      You are exactly right. When people come to the US and to Japan they don't understand the culture so they refuse to assimilate.

      As for the Korean woman, they required her to change her name to Japanese and she refused to assimilate. That's her problem. If she doesn't like their laws she is free to go elsewhere yet she chose to stay. If you choose to stay but only complain and go against their culture, you get what you ask for.

      It's hilarious that you exhibit exactly what you are talking about. You don't understand Japanese culture so you are prejudiced against it.

    • 3 years ago
  • jobeus
  • gweller
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      gweller  
    • After living in Japan I do not think they are racist at all. They are nationalists. I see nothing wrong with a country that has strong regulations on their border, language, and culture. I wish the USA would do the same. When I was there and talked to many ex-pats from the USA and they would constantly complain about how bad things were for them, but none of them tried to assimilate and "become Japanese". I however strongly believe in assimilating the culture you are living in and I was widely accepted by many people. I applaud them for upholding their borders, language and culture.

    • 3 years ago
  • firegirl
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      firegirl  
    • gweller:

      gweller, i'm an immigrant in US and i too partially assimilate to local culture. however, one thing is protecting the culture and keeping traditions, but a totally different thing is to make people give up their nationality, their heritage, or forbidding japanese children to play with the ones from the family of "others", imigrants. japan was always known for its closed culture and non-interference with other nations. however, one can never forget where he/she comes from, and just assimilating and becoming japanese should be a matter of choice rather than necessity. i deeply respect their way of life and traditions (was even in judo for 4 years). so more disappointing is the fact of discriminating policies revealed in this video.

    • 3 years ago
  • s2tm
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      s2tm  
    • gweller:

      gweller, hmm... I'm trying to not start a flame, these topic typically so often lead to. Your comment on "border, language, and culture" that the US lack, I'm not completely sure I understand. If you mean protecting borders is a good thing, I suppose we are entitled to feel so, but my gut feeling is that is not really considered 'inclusionary', after all, how can you learn from the richness of what other cultures have to offer, if you don't allow others to join yours. I'm not sure, why on earth anyone would want to live somewhere where they a sheltered and naive of the rest of the world.

      If you mean protecting 'language' is good and that the US does not do so, again, I'm not sure what that means. No comment here.

      Lastly, your comment on culture. I think this one is a typical attack on western, mostly american way of life, that they apparently don't have one, and to your point, don't try to protect it. I would disagree on both points here. One, I believe, that they most definitely do have one, and I'd say, that it is very rich and diverse. Sure, it may not be as old as some of the more ancient ones, but none the less, it is one and a pretty good one at that (I'm Chinese-Canadian by the way). Secondly, they do to some measure try to keep as much of it as possible, all within the confines of a free and democratic society. After all, one is free to act, talk, think and be, as free as they want. This is no small feat to accomplish in this day and age of repression, genocide and closed mindedness.

      Ok, that's all I have to say.
      Peace out people.
      S2TM

    • 2 years ago
  • firegirl
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      firegirl  
    • revealing video. with all my respect and praise to Japan's culture and science, the extent of conservatism and racism (?) is shocking.

    • 3 years ago
  • naty_forty
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      naty_forty  
    • This is excellent, I really enjoyed it. It was informative and creative.
      Even though it is good that technology is advancing to make this possible I still feel and think it is sad because to me human contact interaction is important, the fact that their population is decreasing so much that it is pushing them to new heights is in part sad. It shows a debilitating weakness in their society.

    • 3 years ago
  • AmapolaMoreno
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      AmapolaMoreno  
    • Image
    • This post discuses the problems people aren't dealing with when it comes to women working.

      I say this as an Atheist. Most Atheists I've known are extremely liberal and think women should be out fighting in the rat race with men. I am a moderate Atheist.

      Atheists should be able to recognize women and men evolved differently. Men evolved to defend the family and hunt down food. This has long been attributed to their more aggressive behavior.

      Women evolved to have children. We have maternal instincts men just don't have. I never could have comprehended how powerful the maternal instinct is until I actually had a child myself.

      We women are putting ourselves into a really shitty situation by trying to work and take care of a family. I've done it. It was absolute hell. I didn't get to spend enough time with my child, and I didn't have time to do anything else like volunteer for local charities. How about getting involved with local politics. You won't have time if you have children and you're trying to work full time.

      I believe this something the Japan should look into. Women need to be respected as being just as important as men, and having equal rights as men, but we shouldn't have to work and have a family to prove this.

      Having my son was the greatest experience of my life, but also the saddest. I had put myself in a financial situation where I had to work. I had always planned to be a working mother.

      My only hope is I can get women to rethink what it is we're doing to ourselves and our children. Particularly the first year of brain development has proven to be the most important. I wanted to be their to nurture him, play with him, and teach him things. Not put him in a daycare center.

      Is our current work situation really for our own benefit, or the benefit of the blood sucking corporations we work for?

    • 3 years ago
  • Dragunov316
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      Dragunov316  
    • This is a great video. I really gives a good inside look into Japanese lifestyle.

      While Japan is far ahead of the world in Robotic technology, I don't know what this video has to do with robotics. But it's still a good video.

    • 3 years ago
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