Vanguard | October 15, 2009 | 277 comments

The OxyContin Express

MarianaVanZeller

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In this Peabody Award-winning edition of Vanguard, correspondent Mariana van Zeller travels to South Florida--the "Colombia of prescription drugs"--to expose a bustling pill pipeline that stretches from the beaches of Ft. Lauderdale to the rolling hills of Appalachia. "The OxyContin Express" features intimate access with pill addicts, prisoners and law enforcement as each struggles with a lethal national epidemic.
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  • bd593
  • HEADmc
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      HEADmc  
    • To me it mirrors Los Angeles in the 80s...a high concentration of illicit drugs in a small area that will essentially, through law enforcement, ethnically cleanse the region. Allow those now filthy rich drug companies to snatch up prime real estate. Truly disgusting!!!!

    • 2 years ago
  • sugarlilly
  • atarikg
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      atarikg  
    • I don't really don't get it, What's wrong with these people? Why would they resort to drugs ? What causes them to resort to drugs ? A part of their brain maybe ? Maybe frontal cortex to learn new things ? I don't know but they are so much buried in the pain.

    • 2 years ago
  • sugarlilly
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      sugarlilly  
    • atarikg:

      people use drugs to change their state of mind. sometimes its due to a neural problem but most of the time, its unaddressed issues from their pasts they haven't dealt with.

      i work at a rehab center and i hear stories daily about what the addicts have been through. sometimes after i hear someone's story i think "hell, i'd have wanted to shoot herion too probably".

    • 2 years ago
  • jonsiegirl
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      jonsiegirl  
    • Some who have responded to my original comment about the death of my grandson Ryan has some insight to the problem of addiction and that answer is treatment. My son, Ryan's father has started a foundation in association with The Counseling Center, an addiction treatment center in Portsmouth Ohio, called Ryan's fund. The money donated to this fund will pay for treatment for persons with addictions. The fund is just getting started so I am anxious to see how well it goes. It will go to persons who could not afford treatment and the treatment will last for 6 months within a residential center and end in a transitional housing where the person will go back into society gradually.. This type treatment works better than just detox and 30 days. I am a retired Nurse PRACTITIONER, i KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED PAIN MANAGEMENT AND AS extremepain says there is a difference between dependency and addiction, but usually not always there other pain management strategies that help.

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • jonsiegirl:

      Other therapies do help, and I utilize every single one I am able to. I am going to request that Current run another Vanguard on the "other victims" of this. Those of us in Legitimate Need, who are very very negatively impacted by these abusers and the reporting of just that side seriously increases that impact.

      I thank you very much for delineating between addiction vs dependency, Of the people in my nationwide, online support group, the only abuse Ive seen has been in the form of 8 of our members taking their entire prescription at once to just end it (the pain, the scorn, et al) due to being given inadequate amounts of relief...my feeling is if you have to take something this powerful at all, it is patently stupid to take levels below therapeutic efficacy. If it isnt enough to help, why take such pills at all? Be well and have a great day -d

    • 2 years ago
  • JeremyTG77
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      JeremyTG77  
    • I already knew about the widespread Oxycontin abuse in Florida, but good documentary nonetheless.

      I didn't know about the trafficking of Oxycontin to the Midwest, however.

    • 2 years ago
  • grannysquare
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      grannysquare  
    • I live in Ontario, Canada, and it is a problem here as well. It is a terrible narcotic, and should not be produced any more. I have a friend in her late sixties who was prescribed this drug after a fall and a terrible back injury. She could not take it because it made her sick to her stomach, when she told me what it was she was given, and I could not believe they prescribed this drug to an elderly lady. She took the drug back to the druggist and told her doctor it was way to powerful, she could not tolerate it. So why do they even make something this powerful? My god, next thing will be, addicts will start breaking in to elderly people's residences to steal these narcotics . In drug busts oxy is regularily included in the cache that is discovered. It is a deadly, terrible narcotic.

    • 2 years ago
  • carmalite
  • kryssi51
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      kryssi51  
    • as usual, another poignant story from the Vanguard team. I am so glad that they have brought this incredibly pervasive problem to light. as the daughter of a recovering crack addict, i know how it can ravage a family; getting clean is so much more difficult than one might believe. i can only hope that more is able to be done to try and control this problem.

    • 2 years ago
  • irtehjoe
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      irtehjoe  
    • seriously this show blows my mind and i respect all of you vanguard folks more than anyone else in the media.

      THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO.

    • 2 years ago
  • sugarlilly
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      sugarlilly  
    • am i the only one who sees this as an instructional video to the masses? should anyone be swallowing their oxys still, well here's how to smoke it!!

      i realize bringing light to this will spark change in people. but often, that change will just be a new method of intaking their oxy.

      people uninvolved in pills will do nothing about this video but pass judgement. the rest? well they're at the store getting foil & straws.

      good job people.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gimp_John
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      Gimp_John  
    • sugarlilly:

      I'll have to agree with you. I have a stepson doin jailtime now over oxys and his girlfriend of over two years watched this and the first thing she commented about the show was "Wow i didnt know you could smoke it"

    • 2 years ago
  • watchdogs
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      watchdogs  
    • Wow, I had no idea that Florida was the center of pain drug prescription and distribution. Really good piece. I'm going to add this to my site if you don't mind. Thank you for your work. Excellent investigative piece and very disturbing.

    • 2 years ago
  • DEM46
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      DEM46  
    • I have never been more impressed with an episode of Vanguard. Bravo for giving me information on how this drug affects people and why it seems to be totally out of control.

      .

    • 2 years ago
  • twodragonswithguns
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      twodragonswithguns  
    • That sting operation is wack. The guy shouldn't be allowed to be in a cast. He's evoking sympathy- it's not just a drug deal. Wait I watched it again, he has two fucking casts on. The police are bored and looking to take out their rage.

    • 2 years ago
  • tophdogguc
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      tophdogguc  
    • So..so..sad. From the Parkinsons, to the prisoners in Kentucky. It's frustrating to think that so many lives can be taken just to make a buck. I hope these "doctors" finally get what they deserve. Shame on the State of Florida for not moving with more urgency to stop this problem.

      Thank you Current for asking the questions that need to be asked and not turning a blind eye to such a serious problem.

    • 2 years ago
  • erockmartinez
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      erockmartinez  
    • As usual Mariana van Zeller and Vanguard deliver another powerful, insightful perspective on our world. This story has relevance beyond Florida and its "hillbilly" clientele. Mariana van Zeller always seems fearless in her pursuits and I believe this is the essence of her journalistic prowess. After watching "The OxyContin Express" it's apparent that van Zeller leaves no stone unturned and truly represents all sides of the story. Something I haven't seen on any other network.

    • 2 years ago
  • artist_speaks_out
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      artist_speaks_out  
    • Vanguard never disappoints. This is an issue that has been completely ignored by the mainstream media, and I have Current to thank for raising my awareness yet again. Your efforts are greatly appreciated, and I hope the Vanguard team receives the recognition they deserve from the journalism community for doing an absolutely fantastic job with each and every episode. May you continue to bring the microphones to these too-often overlooked, silent stories from around the world for years to come! Thank you!

    • 2 years ago
  • animalia_libero
  • extremepain
  • lvk104
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      lvk104  
    • animalia_libero:

      I found myself thinking the same thing. When the undercover cops busted the couple for selling one of the cops a few pills...I had to shake my head. These people need help, not incarceration. Selling a few pills makes you an addict who is trying to pay for his addiction, not a large-scale drug dealer trying to make a profit. Looking for the large-scale dealers making profits? Try banging on the doors of the drug companies and taking their CEOs away in handcuffs. Try arresting the doctors for distribution. Try helping the people who've been caught in the bullshit profiteering.

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
  • blazedNconfused
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • ok last part...

      I also want to say there's one more thing to consider. When this first began, the first doc I saw wanted to put me on Vioxx, just weeks before it was banned, I asked him to refer to the family history area of my chart, and got up and left. Every male ancestor on my Mother's side died in their early 60s of Heart Disease or Stroke. Opiates DO have to be taken with great respect, however, they are one of the world's oldest drugs, which means we know all of the long and short term side effects. Obviously florida is just plug stupid to not have control on that. Cant get a Cuban Cigar, but heres enough lab-made heroin to end your life and ruin your family.

      But in the long run, with my conditions, opiates are the most effective, and handled responsibly, one of the safest. I say safest considering how pills are rushed to market now, we all end up being their long-term trial cases, until a few people die, then they pull them. To date my side effects on my medicine are, constipation, and the same effect with urination, due to muscles governing those necessities being relaxed. Usually senna,and a cup of decaf keeps that in good shape. I dont get the drowsiness anymore, until the dose has to increase again, probably 1-2 years from now, and I forget what Im talking about as Im talking, and in the beginning it also made my nose itch like crazy...... but that is about it. Ideal living? Hell No, but its better than not living.

      Something on the other side of the coin is, due to not being able to get adequate treatment or relief, many Chronic Pain patients commit suicide. Since I began my online support group 3 years ago, 8 of our group have died that way. Some even take their lives when they are getting treatment, just because the thought of living, in some cases 40 or more years with all those issues is untenable for them. I take a day at a time when it comes to happiness, and I thank God I have a wonderful and strong family, and terrific friends that make my existence Very much worth living. This cold weather is hard on me, but I find if I poke fun at myself about all this, it also helps me keep perspective about what the true treasures of life are.

      If you are respectful, I will be glad to answer any questions. I will not respond to rudeness, judgmental posts or someone with a miracle cure involving magnets, copper or anything ridiculous.

      Hoping my post finds everyone here well

      -d

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • extremepain:

      Reaaaaallly? Gosh Im not aware at all about what my Pain Plan involves, I just poke around and guess like a monkey with a pencil in his mouth.

      Methinks you generalize and stereotype too much. Let me ask you, would you think it correct to disallow this to cancer patients? because a growing tumor that is inoperable because of the tangle of nerves and arteries going through it has the same painful effect. These tumor also, though benign, still grow and spread. Oh, and I have an annual biopsy to determine if it has become cancerous.

      Did you note than in addition that I am epileptic, and thrashing and crashing into things doesn't exactly help the situation? Did you read all of my posts, or were you skimming my first one thinking more about what you were going to say than actually paying attention? You know, scratch that, Im not interested in your answer.

      It was a sledgehammer well before there was any treatment, not that its your business. I would suggest to you that the Neurological staff at Mayo Clinic are an extremely conservative lot and do not make such decisions flippantly, Neither do the Neurological Surgery Staff at Saint Luke's in Kansas City. You see, I didnt follow a rainbow to a leprechaun with a pot of pills and he said bring a shovel. Now if you would like to, no, you know what...forget it

      Im going to lecture you for 2 paragraphs and say Im not taking a shot at you. That is patently insulting. Considering you have no idea what Ive been through, only what you have, I would suggest you keep your thoughts on me to yourself, and go crusade at hospice facilities to remove the meds from cancer patients. The difference here is that I have a very long hospice program. Did you have to have a hospital bed, could you walk?

      I do not care one flip about your ideas on legalization, and were you here I would throttle you with my cane for suggesting that having to be on long term pain care is being addicted, then Id shove it sideways up your ass for your nosy ass attitude. I shared a rather long and personal story of a very real struggle to have any quality of life because there are real people with conditions that require this treatment that abusers make life next to impossible for....do you suggest to untreated patients who are at a constant 9 on the scale, that they just ride it out, that tumor will get milder?, FUCK YOU.

      (actually I'm physically unable do that with my cane, but you deserve it)

      Where was your crusading ass when for 2 years straight I had to tell my kids that Christmas had to wait till tax returns to have gifts? Hmmm? That's how my youngest daughter learned the no Santa Claus thing. You've no clue of my condition and what it entails.

      I would tell you to preach to someone who's interested, but that would be irresponsible of me, since you do not or choose not to understand the clinical difference between addiction and medical dependency. I am also dependent on 2 different seizure meds, guess Id better stop them too by your uneducated standard.

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
  • lux1000
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      lux1000  
    • extremepain:

      I really appreciate you taking the time to share your situation. This so clearly explains how these drugs can be used for legitimate medical needs.

      It's a very helpful counterpoint to the Vanguard piece--which is excellent but could leave one with the impression that these drugs are only abused and not used for legitimate medical reasons. Your story explains how debilitating chronic pain is and how these drugs can be one part of an overall strategy at attempting to manage the pain.

      Thank you very much for posting.

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • extremepain:

      Lux, I thank you very much for your message. Many times I get all sorts of really judgmental answers when I come forward with this, such as the other guy that answered me here directly. It was very obvious as I read his comment that he must have just skimmed over my post, because every issue he felt he should warn me about was addressed in my 3 part epic.

      I appreciate that you read it fully, and gave a kind, and salient response. Heck I teach Art History for the arts council in our small town for free, to keep my mind active, and Ive had to cancel sometimes due to just not being able to move due to pain, but its nice therapy. Most of my online time is spent reading things of interest, reconnecting with classmates and I have an online chronic pain support group.

      I will probably post one more note to the whole board to hopefully explain to all those that have questions, that I didn't post it to promote really high powered painkillers, it was more to say I really wish that open doors to abuse like Florida would be closed. It makes life very difficult for a lot of people with legitimate need. It pressures doctors to fear the dea, rather than treat patients.

      Then of course, certain doctors that many of us have dealt with treat people that are on long term treatment as if they were felons. And some docs are just not going prescribe opioids to anyone other than end stage cancer patients.

      Thanks again, I do appreciate your thoughtful response.

      -d

    • 2 years ago
  • Spiney_Dave
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      Spiney_Dave  
    • extremepain:

      Very well put. I am also in true Chronic Pain from 3 back surgeries and 1 neck surgery all with fusions. I too moderate a online forum for chronic neck and back pain patients. Many of them can not get adequate pain relief. Doctors are afraid to prescribe opiates due to the abusers. This story was eye opening and made me mad for all of the legitimate sufferers who can not find relief. Like Bill Clinton said "I feel your pain"
      Dave

    • 2 years ago
  • chronicpain
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      chronicpain  
    • extremepain:

      Thanks for speaking out for those of us that a true chronic pain people.I live in southwest Fl. and it is next to impossible to find doctors to treat me. I have lived with cp since 1991. Never a day without pain. How many other people have to sign contracts or peep in bottles to get there next prescription of medication. I only wish that Current would do a story about how hard it is to get proper pain management. How many times I have thought of killing myself, but I have children and that wouldn't be fair to them. I hate the meds, but I have to take them to be able to just get out of bed. Thanks again for speaking up for so many of us in the same boat.

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • cont from above... Usually a patient is given an immediate release med for breakthrough pain or spikes. These too can lead a person into feeding the pain rather than fighting it. I feel that combination is exceptionally bad. As many may know if a person simply swallows an oxycontin (contin for continual release) it really doesnt have a "euphoric high." Abusers defeat this by chewing them, crushing and snorting, Id never heard of smoking before and of course some dissolve them and shoot them.

      I take 2 long acting medications rather than a supposed long acting med and a breakthrough pill. We have found that to be a successful combination for the type of pain I have, though oddly enough, it does nothing to migraines, so Aspirin is part of the arsenal.

      Ive not had the desire to take more than is prescribed. In fact, since you are supposed to refill when you are under a week's supply, I have a backlog. I save them until out of date in case of some freak thing like my doc moving, dying...etc. After the date, I do not flush them...because I worry about that kind of stuff going into a water treatment plant, it may be fine, but I dont risk that, I return them to the Pharmacy for disposal.

      One part of the documentary made me sad in a different way than many of you can relate to. In the beginning of my regimen, and anytime the dose goes up due to tolerance... I will have about 3 days where I can be sitting up on my bed, and sleep in the same drooped over posture like the guy spoke of finding his wife dead in. That kinda gave me chills, but again, I have a strong support system, so we all have a part to play in keeping it safe.

      The last thing I wish to address is the difference between addiction and dependency. Even some docs dont delineate the two, or really understand it. Here's my best explanation. Addiction means you are using it for reasons other than your condition, and using it more and more to get high, and "seeking" several doctors, although here the computerized network stops that. Addiction is also what is experienced with tobacco.

      Dependency happens to everyone on Opiate/Opioid treatment. After having taken these meds long enough, your body no longer produces the amount of natural endorphins, because the brain believes it is being taken care of, so if you suddenly stop, you get sick like I pray none of you ever do. Its only happened to me once, and that was due to leaving my shaving bag on the table at home when we left for a 500 mile trip to my folks. The emergency room staff talked to me as if I were a felon. I understand their reluctance believe me, the seekers have so damaged actual CP patients, it makes you want t cry.

      We had planned on a 2 week visit, but when the withdrawals came, it was like looking into the mouth of hell, plus the pain, without endorphins, was dramatically higher than before. My wife and I actually ended up having to leave the kids at my Mom's and fly back home to get my medicines. Thi was after my doctor had faxed all of my info to the doctors down here and everything, but they still wouldnt budge, they were kind enough to give me about 5 sleeping pills so I wouldnt be getting quite so sick on the plane ride. I ended up with 3 days of withdrawals, and again, Id not wish that on anyone. So that is dependency. Not what I or anyone with a brain would choose, but its my only option, and Ive been through every option before a crusader out there tells me their magic cure. Ive had cortisone injections into the epidural canal of the spine that did nothing, though its like a miracle for my ankles. Ive been the whole route, and Im at the best quality of life Ive had since this all began.

      continued just once more :)

    • 2 years ago
  • colorliza
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      colorliza  
    • I am from KY and I have written my congressman and other state reps. What else can we do? Thank you, Marianna!

      Doctors and pharmaceutical reps are LEGALIZED drug pushers. Citizens are criminalized while those profiting are sitting pretty. What the *%$*# is going on in the U.S. ?!

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • Initially I was going to send this t a person on the board, but I decided it would be better to share this.

      I feel compelled to respond on this, and perhaps my screen name gives you an idea as to why. I am 45 yrs old, 2 of my 5 children are still at home I have 2 in different colleges, and one who is a physical therapist. I have always had upper back problems from an injury in my early 20s. I have 3 herniated thoracic discs, that all impinge on the spinal cord, but they arent the story.

      In late 2005 i felt like someone had shot me in my left kidney, and I couldnt move my left leg. I thought maybe its a kink or something, Id never had low back pain. An Mri detected a lemon sized spinal tumor at L2. It is benign, but 4 Neurosurgeons, a Vascular surgeon and a General surgeon, with the majority of these docs being at Mayo Clinic concluded that surgery would leave me in worse shape than I was already in.

      My left leg is 60% paralyzed, but it feels searing lightning bolts of pain really well. I also have epilepsy, and thus the combination of disorders has left me totally disabled. I cannot drive a car, lift anything over 2 pounds (that still sounds ridiculous to this day) Sold my motorcycle, golf clubs, fishing equipment...everything I did for enjoyment is no longer available to me.

      Because of the snail-slow pace of Social Security Disability, we lost our home, cars and a boat while awaiting the decision, luckily having my parents, who had a farm we could move a mobile home we bought for $1,500 on (you can imagine how nice it was) My wife was our only income, she brought home $1,100 a month. with then 4 kids at home, you can imagine how our life was. I wont even go into insurance company battles.

      We finally prevailed, and I now receive disability and medicare, so though not wealthy, were gonna make it!

      Now....pain. For around 4 years now, I have been taking hi powered pain medicines. Physical therapy doesnt help the tumor, and the last attempt at it further burst one of my bad disks. Now my physical therapy consists of hot showers in a chair, and stretching to keep the muscles from knotting.

      I see the world mostly from my hospital bed. I can walk short distances with a cane, but i have a powerchair for anything more than 50 feet. I cannot do whirlpool or hydrotherapy of any kind for risk of a seizure, so I really do not have an outcome, only treatment.

      I dont like taking any pills at all, never did. I monitor and control this stuff like you would never know. Last winter my weight shot up to 260 lbs...I am 6'3" I had to start taking blood pressure and heart medicine and my doc said, youre going to need more or different heart meds unless you lose 40 lbs. Without exercise, all I have to control it with are calories. Today I weigh 170lbs, got rid of 2 medications, and this weight is easier on arthritic bone spurs in my knees and ankles (thats seemed trivial to mention in comparison). I also stopped smoking 6 months ago...still staying at 170 :)

      OK. People that abuse these high powered medicines are pitied, and despised at the same time by those of us in support groups for Chronic Pain. It is not simple at all to get that kind of script here. The doc I go to, Ive known since I was 13. Still we work as a careful team. It took us awhile to find a combination of meds that made me comfortable enough to have some semblence of a life.

      I dont despise these people personally, but they do make people that actually have legitimate need of such meds lives much more difficult. There are many with legitimate conditions, but there are probably 3 to 5 times that amount of fakes and seekers as we call them. Oxycontin can turn a legitimate patient into an addict for a simple reason. It is supposed to be a time released medicine that lasts for 12 hours. In reality, it lasts about 8 hours, so unless a person is strong willed, they go to the bottle when the pain spikes....contunued....

    • 2 years ago
  • LanBaguisa
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      LanBaguisa  
    • I cannot believe people would make a trip from Ohio, Kentucky, and West Virgina just so that they can get their hands on OxyContin. I hope whatever Florida is going to pass for monitoring the drug will pass... Good story.

    • 2 years ago
  • Clay_Rogers
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      Clay_Rogers  
    • LanBaguisa:

      during the peak of my addiction i went as far as getting on a plane and flying to san diego (from wisconsin). i would then cross the us/mexico border and pick up pills in Tijuana. to me its not all surprising someone would travel from the next state over to get drugs. thats the life of a drug addict.

    • 2 years ago
  • spacemikey
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      spacemikey [removed]  
    • I was shocked, I live in north west Florida and it's not quite the same scenario. I know a least one person who has a hard time getting the medication she needs. And has struggled for years seeking adequate treatment for her degenerative condition. Not addiction actual permanent spinal injury. Still I think people needed to see how serious opiate addiction can be.

      That main character, with the wife who died and him still sleeping in the same bed strung out..... All I could say was DAMN. Just watching him and listening to him, it was like wow okay that's hell. I couldn't imagine what that's got to be like other than what he expressed, and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

      I pick on Current a little bit, but it's the Vanguard series and the way they go into stories like no one else that keeps me watching.

      It's sad that we live in a world where people need to see things like this, unfortunately we do. Hopefully this show and the others like it will wake some people up before it's to late...

    • 2 years ago
  • copperdragon
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      copperdragon  
    • Prescription abuse is so wide spread now, I see it everywhere. Even in my remote area of canada, we have pain clinics and corrupt doctors handing out pills to anyone. People are dying while doctors are getting rich. This is one of the many crimes against humainty that has become the norm of our lives, and our generation.

    • 2 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • copperdragon:

      I dunno, the Husband seemed like as long as he was high he was pretty detatched from her death....and how really does it matter to him, he cant even comfort his Kid because of smoking the pills. It was his Mom that I felt for, she was upset, and talking about them looking down on them from Heaven, and he's like, "...uh....yeah...they.....are" while still lying to her.

      Like I said in my lengthy posts, I have to take similar meds for a spinal tumor, early on I took Oxycontin, and once we came to visit relatives and I had left my shaving kit (with prescriptions inside) on the kitchen counter... We actually had to leave the kids at my Mom's and fly back for them, since an unfamiliar ER basically will say, get out of here felon, and never come back. T

      he bad part of Oxy is, as soon as its time for your dose, you already start feeling sick, it is poorly conceived, supposed to last 12 hrs, realistically it lasts from 8 to 9. That will too often propel some that would never dream of abuse into abuse for fear of withdrawal sickness, and of course to fight the pain. so even in needed cases, you have to gut out 3 or so hours of pain twice a day, and avoid taking your dose early no matter what.

      I think I was close to 4 full days for withdrawals before I actually got there to get my scripts, and it was a hell Id never wish on anyone, BUT....

      My doc told me later....were it not for the pain of my condition, withdrawals from OCs end after the 5th day. Yes its hellish. You're either too hot and seating, or too cold and sweating, full body pain, puking, diarrhea, and zero sleep, plus your brain talks to you like it was satan....very bad. BUT......

      If I were not very Ill, Id not take them at all, and sure as hell, if both my brother and wife died from OD, and my Kids were taken from me, youd best believe Id take 5 days of hell over losing the last treasure he had, plus the toll he is taking on his Mother. She seems to have to bear the emotions for all of them.

      I can say that as painful as it is, if you dont need these meds, stay the hell away, you will ruin your life, and everyone that cares for you. If you are in this rut, there is a way to survive the 5 days of hell.

      You take lotrimin to stop the diarrhea (oddly lotrimin has nearly the same chemical make-up of an opiate, but it doesnt cross the blood/brain barrier). No diarrhea means no dehydration, and since most of them have xanax, it will work to keep a person mostly calm, and able to sleep...if you can fight thru the 5 days, its gone...easier to drop than cigarettes if you're committed.

    • 2 years ago
  • jesuswho
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      jesuswho  
    • Great peice of work current. But I think we need to open up more pain clinics it helps speed up the process a bit. Boosting the econemy through small business and it helps to get rid of all the pill chasers! (they die ;) More work for the willing! Get off your asses you fucking losers! Great work current, now just to get down to Florida.......

    • 2 years ago
  • sugarlilly
  • BtwnTheBars
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      BtwnTheBars  
    • jesuswho:

      Based on your ignorant response, it’s likely that the focus of this exposé (not to mention the horrors of addiction) has been lost on you. It would do you well to re-watch the program and take note of the fact that the senseless deaths, which you seem to be encouraging, are indeed part of the problem and not the solution.

    • 2 years ago
  • BtwnTheBars
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      BtwnTheBars  
    • jesuswho:

      Furthermore, sugarlily - It’s disappointing to see that this response is coming from someone who “work(s) at a rehab center.” Quite frankly, I’m baffled and speechless.

    • 2 years ago
  • Maureen_Blank
  • jonsiegirl
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      jonsiegirl  
    • This is the first and hopefully not the last documentary about the problem our society has to deal with everyday...Prescription drug abuse especially oxcycodone. My grandson, Ryan, died June 29, 2009 from an ovewrdose of Oxycontin that most likely travelled to him from these pseudo Physicians and pharmicists in Florida. Ryan was 22 yers old and was intrduced to this

    • 2 years ago
  • animalia_libero
  • lvk104
  • Brenda_Dobbs
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      Brenda_Dobbs  
    • Thank You so much for doing a show on this subject.
      Our son has had a problem with this for a very long time. We have done so much to help him, that we have very little left. I have called and gone to the places that he has been and told these places to not treat my son again because he does have a problem and that if he dies from all the drugs they have been giving him I will take them all to court. Right a way they tell me that I have nothing to worry about that they will no longer take care him, but then he just finds another place and another Pharmacy, so it is like fighting a very losing battle. One because he feels that he is in so much pain that he must have all the drugs to just get by I would love to get a group together and talk to people to see if we can get something done or we will lose more and more of our children and young adults. Thank You
      Please respond

    • 2 years ago
  • kingfugazi
    • 0
      kingfugazi  
    • Brenda_Dobbs:

      I read this portion ofg an essay yesterday on my bus ride home. Please, I hope this encourages you...

      Who Makes History?
      Daisaku Ikeda

      ....Michelet introduced the story of Madame Legros, an unknown woman who ran a small tailoring shop in Paris, France before the Revolution.
      One day, Mdm Legros picked up a letter dropped in the street. It was written by a political prisoner being held in the Bastille prison, where people could be arbitrarily held on the order of the king. The letter she found was from a political prisoner who had been locked-up for more than thirty years. The letter had been meant for a well-connected person who might be able to secure his release.
      On reading the letter, Mdm Legros realised that this complete stranger was innocent and she decided to try and save him. She had no social connections whatsoever. She went from door to door, appealing to the masters of each household and requesting thei help in freeing the prisoner. However, her actions brought nothing but criticism and she was even accused of being the prisoner's lover. As time passed, she lost her shop, her parents died and she was constantly threatened by the authorities.
      But she was not perturbed, nor discouraged or afraid; she just kept pursuing her goal with a single-minded devotion. Once someone arranged for her to meet a lady-in-waiting to the royal family. She walked the long distance from Paris to Versailles on a bitterly cold day in spite of being seven months pregnant. Finally, her petition reached the king but he replied that he would never grant this prisoner freedom.
      Even then, Mdm Legros would not give up. She resolved from now on that she would only trust in the power of the people. She approached anyone she thoughtmight listen, and gradually caused ripple after ripple of public opinion to rise and spread. She finally had her moment of victory when, in 1784, unable to refuse any longer, the king finally ordered the prisoner's release. The Bastille, long considered impregnable, opened its doors for the first time because of the appeal for justice of one woman.....

      Don't trust the sway of media, its always short lived. Sadly, look at Katrina. Americans need to know who is suffering - over and over and over- to activate our human compassion. Current TV isn't mainstream enough anyways to be honest. And without a doubt in my heart, I believe you can save your son.

    • 2 years ago
  • sugarlilly
  • robinson61661
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      robinson61661  
    • Awesome show! Finally a true documentation on the legal drugging of our youth. As a detective in Florida I have seen so many deaths and so many ruined lives. I hope the show pushes the powers to be to change things, wishful but foolish thinking.

      Great show, Thank You for speaking the truth

    • 2 years ago
  • Rick_Fakhre
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      Rick_Fakhre  
    • robinson61661:

      you saw that cop dress up like he was hurt and in pain to get some pills. Then when people tried to help him out with some pain pills they arrested them. As a cop how did feel about that. I am not a cop but i felt that was the opposite of what I would like to see police do. OK, the man on the street is not an M.D. who sold him the pills, but in any other drug type case they try to go up the ladder to the supplier, but here they just arrest the guy helping some poor dude in a cast. Don't you feel that is totally wrong or at least dont you question why these cops are dealing with this drug different from any other drug in the past? How can that cop sleep at night thinking he is doing a service to the community, when he is just filling a prison cell, while the dealer finds a new person to prescibe to, and the manufacture keeps making more, it will never end, only get worse. i just wanted a police perspective. im a teacher and it doesnt make any sense to me.

    • 2 years ago
  • KaylaMoon
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      KaylaMoon  
    • Wow! This was very interesting and insightful! I love how it was captured, through the eyes of the people who were addicted too such an easy drug-addiction and yet the same people who were ashamed and lost loved ones because of what they were doing while talking about their close loved ones while doing the easy drug-addictions that cost them their loved ones.
      It really showed how people were so selfish and just want to give up on everything.
      It really shows how pathetic people are, willing to travel to a different state to spend about $700.00 on prescription drugs that are killing them and they're families.
      This really needs to stop. They're the ones responsible for law changes, and more punishment on the rest of the Country. I think something drastic needs to happen that can't happen by little laws and regulations but by the people, the people that don't deserve to be responsible for our tax dollars to build you more jail cells, the younger generation to be apart of the aftershock to either clean up or fuse the pandemic of selfishness, our decisions to create and build rehab facilities (that don't work), when we can be using our time and creativity to produce art, music and technology.
      Nothing seems or has to be fair anymore. We're giving in to easy, these are people who need attention so bad they have to kill themselves to get it, and we're giving them everything we got.
      This needs to stop.

      -kayla moon

    • 2 years ago
  • jamiggy28
  • cchickenchoker14
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      cchickenchoker14  
    • Iam from Lawerance county ohio.And now live in Scoito county.Its right across from greenup.My brother is hooked on oxys.He lives in Lawerance County ohio.He goes to Fla every week to get pills for the creeps in Lawerance county.I called the Lawerance county shirff. I told him when also the time my the car the lic of the car my brother and another goon was leaving for a pill run.nothing every happened.They say the Judge in Lawerance county along with others are in on the runs.I believe it.greenups Shirff Cooper is the only shirff in the tri state that does anything about the oxy problem here.

    • 2 years ago
  • hollyMiamiFla
  • PureEm
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      PureEm  
    • I've never realized just how big this problem is. Media in and around Vancouver and Canada in general either revolves around the issue of marijuana (and the legalization debates) or illict drugs and guns being smuggled in by gangs and really hasnt had any significant focus on the issue of abuse of prescription drugs at all, perhaps just because the numbers are lower here. I can't believe that doctors would sink that low and just become legal drug dealers. It saddens me that ethics have gone out the window and the oath is clearly no longer in force.

      This documentary has really given me new insight into the world of medicine and it's dark side. Another fantastic piece by the Vanguard team. Thank you for all that you do.

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • PureEm
    • 0
      PureEm  
    • PureEm:

      It may be that Oxycotin is abused everywhere, but you can't generalize and say that it is rampant everywhere. The abuse of Oxycodone in Canada was largely isolated to Ontario and the Maritime provinces and has since subsided. Western, Northern, and Central Canada has its own set of drugs that are commonly abused and Oxy nowhere near as rampant as drugs like heroin and cocaine.

    • 2 years ago
  • martabettencourt
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      martabettencourt  
    • amazing documentary. How come Florida close eyes to ths terrible addiction. Is there any laws?
      Super work Mariana. I do hope that this docummentary will open the mind and the eyes of everyone in Florida.
      You are a fantastic journalist

    • 2 years ago
  • stonefree87
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      stonefree87  
    • martabettencourt:

      Unfortunately, everyone's eyes in Florida are open to the situation that been going on down here, but still nothing really changes. It's too powerful.

      I lived in Brevard county my entire life until two months ago. Everyone I know down there, including myself, knows someone who has died because of this or at least knows people who are damn near it. I can think of at least 4 people I know who's only source of income is selling these (and they do just fine financially). They'll drive to different counties to visit different doctors and then come back home to unload. And they're addicted themselves. Their entire world revolves around a pill, including their "job".

    • 2 years ago
  • iamfree
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      iamfree  
    • wow this was an amazing piece.Living in PA i don't really see this epidemic unfolding.We smoke sticky green:-)..I don't know how those "doctors" sleep knowing that they kill so many people.My mother in law is a Doctor and i see how easy it is for her to get pills when she wants.The distribution system is broken.This plague "should" play a major role in healthcare reform...but of course we all know by now that the real addiction is Money.I wonder how long our society in general will keep beatin around the bush.Money is the source of all "crime" except for the serial killers and rapist.Its time we start working on a solution.So far a resourced based economy has been the best proposal i've seen.I hope i make it to that future:-)

    • 2 years ago
  • Joan_Stanley
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      Joan_Stanley  
    • iamfree:

      there have been drug registeries in georgia and other states. however, they have done little to nothing to curb the abuse of perscription drugs. truth be told, this epidemic has turned into a bottomless pit that seems to have no ending

    • 2 years ago
  • arcata_berry
  • Clay_Rogers
    • 0
      Clay_Rogers  
    • iamfree:

      are you kidding? OC is huge in PA. Google bucks county and oxycontin. They have one of the largest OC problems in the nation. You just dont associate with people that do it so you dont know about it...

    • 2 years ago
  • hollyMiamiFla
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      hollyMiamiFla  
    • There needs to be a national registry where your name and information gets entered into a database when the doctor prescribes the med/narcotic and also when you get it filled at the pharmacy. It should only allow a person to obtain so many pills in a month. These pig doctor's that are recklessly prescribing these narcs need to be arrested and their licenses revoked. The DEA should start rewarding these addicts and/or dealers for giving up the crooked doctor's information, but I'm sure it would be hard for the addicts to give up their poison and the dealers their $$$$.

      Not everyone becomes an addict from pain meds. I had surgery 8 weeks ago and thank goodness for Percocet. It helped me with the pain and I did not become addicted. Aside from the true addicts, I think that people think that their lives will be pain free and so many people think they need a narcotic these days for pain. What ever happened to using ice packs or a heating pad? How about aromatherapy or topical analgesics like Icy Hot? Tylenol and Advil actually work quite well for some. Society has done this to themselves. Everyone wants a quick fix for everything.

      I feel terrible for the losses of the people in the video. We need a paradigm shift in this country BAD!!

      South Florida you're a MESS!!

    • 2 years ago
  • sxyindiechic
    • 0
      sxyindiechic  
    • hollyMiamiFla:

      Amen holly! As a fellow Floridian; I'm sure you have seen what the abuse of substances has done to our society here in the "sunshine" state. As far as I'm concerned the sun is the only positive thing about south Florida; everything else is drugs and gang violence. Now we have the latest gangsters in the mix..the "doctors". I think my sister is crazy for moving her family to North Dakota...but now I'm not so sure! I couldn't deal with all that frigid cold though lol!

    • 2 years ago
  • hollyMiamiFla
    • 0
      hollyMiamiFla  
    • hollyMiamiFla:

      South Florida has turned into the land of the lost and stupid. People get away with murder down here, literally. Everyone treats it like it's a freakin playground and they leave their messes for others to clean up. It's a joke. Somedays I'm super happy living here, then other days I look around me and wonder why I'm still here. If it weren't for my best friend and the ocean, I would be outta here. Then I wonder, is the grass greener elsewhere? Pacific Northwest is calling me I think.

    • 2 years ago
  • kleiber
    • 0
      kleiber  
    • hollyMiamiFla:

      well as a person who actually needs oxycodone for real pain of 2 failed back surgerys and rehab on my back i can say i appreciate having the ability to have a dr. who will give me the meds. i need ! while i do believe the majority of these dr.s and clinics are just pill mills there are those of us who need strong meds and can no longer get them from our regular dr. because they are to scared to get in trouble for helping there patiet's ! i am on a waiting list till next march 2010 to go to a regular pain managment clinic in jacksonville ! so my family dr. told me to go to one of these pain clinics in florida till i can get into the regular one here ! so i have to drive 3.5 hours to you guessed it broward county to get the same meds i could get if there werent so many junkies coming to florida and ruining it fo rall us who need true pain relief ! i will be happy when they make a data base in 2011 for this so i can not worry about having to go to these shady dr.s and can just get my reg dr. to treat me!!! great show but awful one sided !!

    • 2 years ago
  • expensiveguy
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      expensiveguy  
    • hollyMiamiFla:

      The NASPER system passed in Florida will NOT even slow down the pill drug dealers or poll millsThe dealers use up to 5 Fake ID's a day! There is a Real Time system that can Stop this within 30 days at zero cost! Its free! Bioscriptrx uses biometrics in place of ID. Its a real time program so the doctor or pharmacy will know before the dealer gets his greedy hands on the pills! This system has been around and why are we not using it?

    • 2 years ago
  • jon_rice
    • 0
      jon_rice  
    • Absolutely fantastic and eye-opening episode of Vanguard. One more piece of evidence for why you guys get and present on some of the most fascinating stories out there. Have already watched the episode twice, can't wait for the next one.

      It's crazy to think that this issue gets so little play on the mainstream news networks when it is so pervasive. I hope lots of people see this and start investigating the issue further.

    • 2 years ago
  • kingfugazi
    • 0
      kingfugazi  
    • An example of a corporation making a poison, designed with highly addictive properties, making $millions$ feeding this epidemic while victims of their product die, go to prison and battle horrific addiction.

    • 2 years ago
  • rwmacevoy
    • 0
      rwmacevoy  
    • kingfugazi:

      A corparation poison you call it kingfugazi? Well suffer a serious brain injury that condems you to a permanent life of pain and guess what, oxycodone is not a poison. No it is a life saver, especially if you have good doctors who make sure you do not have to large a dose in your perscriptioin. Oxycodone is a drug that at low levels for some like myself can be excellently accomidated to in their daily life and be almost non addictive. This needs to evaluated continuously and on a case by case basis.

      Overall statements though on any medication covering all patients is non scientific and just plain stupid.

    • 2 years ago
  • Mobius2012
    • 0
      Mobius2012  
    • kingfugazi:

      The Labs producing Oxycontin should be shut down, the chemists should be arrested, and the doctors prescribing excessive amounts of this drug should be prosecuted. Synthetic drugs should be banned, and we as a society should re-learn the how to extract and use the medical properties of Plants again....Pharmaceuticals is big business, that's all, Money 1st people 2nd, its the American way. Babylon (baby london) is falling down....

    • 2 years ago
  • crispyfritters
    • 0
      crispyfritters  
    • kingfugazi:

      Hold on there! More respect for psychoactive substances and their effects on our bodies is what we need.

      Needless to say, most drugs are still extracted from plants -- even illicit and harmful ones. Opium is one of them, and it's the base of heroin, morphine, and countless others. Just because it's a plant doesn't mean it's not harmful.

    • 2 years ago
  • sxyindiechic
    • 0
      sxyindiechic  
    • Way to go Broward County; I have lived in Florida since I was 13 years old; Broward County specifically since I was 14; and I wish I could say this episode surprised me. This pill pandemic has been going on here for years and years; what is surprising is that this is the first honest look at the problem! Christ sakes! Cops started in Broward County and now we have Police Women of Broward County & it took Current to give a fresh perspective on a problem that is and has been pervasive in Broward; its beyond a joke how easy illicit and prescription drugs are to get here; I don't know anyone who hasn't been negatively affected by the pervasiveness of the drug culture here. It's a sad state literally I live in; but I do want to say thanks to Current for shining a light on the truth; hopefully people will wake up and see that change needs to happen be it through new laws; or simple a change of heart; I do believe change can start with a conversation. Kudos to y'all!!

    • 2 years ago
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