Exclusive Sneak Peek: Missionaries of Hate
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Vanguard, airing weekly on Wednesdays at 10PM/9PM CT, is a no-limits documentary series whose award-winning correspondents put themselves in extraordinary situations to immerse viewers in global issues that have a large social significance. Unlike sound-bite driven reporting, the show's correspondents, Adam Yamaguchi, Kaj Larsen, Christof Putzel and Mariana van Zeller, serve as trusted guides who take viewers on in-depth real life adventures in pursuit of some of the world's most important stories.
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PragmaticPat
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welcome to the 21st century witch hunt. People in power distracting "their people" by pointing out the fears and phobias of the people and say "I will do something about that problem" DO NOT LET PEOPLE IN POWER USE YOUR IGNORANCE AGAINST YOU.
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PragmaticPat
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Erik_Slajus
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START SENDING THIS TO DAN SAVAGE! NOW! he'll talk about it in his podcast and then millions of other people will know about it and it will spread like wildfire
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Erik_Slajus
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feefer2010
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I understand not everyone agrees with the lifestyle but who are they hurting really? Why hate someone simply for loving?
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feefer2010
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smartbunny
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Just watched the whole ep on Hulu. I don't understand the motivation of Martin Ssempa. He seems obsessed with the idea that gays are going to take over and eat people's poo. He takes one thing that is very rare and shows it to everyone to shock them into thinking that gays are taking over and what? Going to have fisting parties in schoolyards? He is angry over the idea that Westerners had any influence on Uganda yet promotes the notion that African people are easily "swayed" by iPods and Laptops into becoming gay. People who are this angry about one thing in the Bible are a mystery. The Bible says a lot of things. Why this one passage about "man lying with another man" spurs such hatred is beyond me. What about the whole rest of the book?
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smartbunny
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Marty_Duffy
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EmperorThan, modern democracy is distinct from ancient, though, in that it's not supposed to simply be majority rule -- it's supposed to be citizen-driven but also protective and supportive of dissenting views. Banning the existence of dissenters (not just disenfranchising or otherwise marginalizing them) isn't democracy, it's mob rule the likes of which led to the fall of democracy in Athens.
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EmperorThan
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I abhor Uganda's anti-gay law, but I also believe in democracy. And if the people there (however misguided) voted for this then it's not our place to intervene.
The BEST thing we can EVER do when it comes to foreign policy is lead by example. Leading by force always ends in unnecessary bloodshed.
We (United States) also holds a lot of sway just with our generosity and foreign aide. We (with our own democracy and choice) can chose to recognize them and give them aide because of their policies or not give them aide because of their draconian laws. And I think we should cut off all foreign aide there.
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EmperorThan
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EmperorThan
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EmperorThan:
And we should do the same thing to Arizona.
"Not because of the new immigration law in Arizona, just because Arizona sucks." *zing*
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EmperorThan
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jubal
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EmperorThan:
When Democracy is subverted, as it has in Uganda, looking the other way is tantamount to participating in the abhorrent behavior.
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jubal
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jubal:
We should offer refugee status to those seeking to leave the country. But leave the country's tyrants to destroy themselves from within. History can attest, all tyrants eventually destroy themselves. The country will learn from it's mistakes better if we let it right it's own wrongs. The revolution must come from within or we all become occupiers.
Every country the United States ever tried to fix by deposing the unjust leaders of has ended in disaster. The world community must say it's part, renounce them, and marginalize them economically.
Force should only be used when they pose a threat to ourselves. And even then that force should be sought with a pen, not a gun. Until the gun is the only possible final option.
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EmperorThan
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donkeyfly69
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powerup:
wrong post
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donkeyfly69
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CedricaBaez
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people can be REALLY evil when they want to be...
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jubal
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Sapience:
I agree with you on this Sapience. Humans are capable of intense cruelty.
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Sapience:
Perhaps and it could also arise from a reaction to Western and European influences, too.
In Africa, it seems the wild animals are kinder than many of the humans.
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jubal
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achanceforpeace
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Sapience:
I fully respect your interest and speculation on this subject, but first of all (in this particular thread) youre generalizing an entire continent based on one video of a few people in one region of one country (Libya). If we really are to gain a true understanding and appreciation for a place and its people and policies, it must extend beyond catch-all phrases like "deep rooted beliefs" and "European influences." I believe you will all find that the content - and hopefully the under-currents of hope and faith in positive change - lie in the details. In the end, it is the people who must speak for themselves, as their actions are layered with a long history we Americans cannot even fathom. There is no excuse for an abuse of human rights, but that being said, it does not negate the avenues we must take to understanding the thought processes behind the actions.
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achanceforpeace
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veritas8
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I'll withhold judgement until I see the entire program, but I certainly hope it presents a balanced view. Regardless of what you think of the Evangelicals' stance on gays, a tremendous amount of humanitarian work is performed by Evangelical charity groups in Africa. (e.g. WorldVision)
Its difficult to have a facts based discussion when many comments appear to be by people who have never been fortunate enough to have been on the ground in Africa or have not had a meaningful conversation with an Evangelical Christian (fyi I'm not one).
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veritas8
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achanceforpeace
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veritas8:
Check my profile and youll see that I can be counted among the fortunate. And youre right, but humanitarian work, when paired and sometimes even predicated on the allegiance of hateful messages, actions, and policies is inexcusable. Those in need in any developing country dont deserve to have their minds essentially re-colonized simply because they are without their basic needs met.
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achanceforpeace
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veritas8:
All the charity work in the world does not supporting and influencing a death penalty for gays, unless you are a monster of a human being.
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jubal
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veritas8:
The asshat screaming about sodomy is a violent christianist. He doesn't do humanitarian work. His profession is inciting violence, and murder, against the gays in the name of god. Do you expect him to plant a vegetable garden? Is that the balanced view you're seeking?
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FlexSF
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donkeyfly69
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jubal:
agreed
they are promoting KILLING PEOPLE
there is no plus side to that
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donkeyfly69
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lifestudentno83
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Religion should never dictate law for reasons like this.
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lifestudentno83
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Wizzane
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It's activity like this that make the so called elite look at us as sheep that need to be lead.
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Wizzane
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GodsnLiberals
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this is the part where the liberal world pounds on thier chests and bark at the moon over this travesty..have a couple of nude protests THEN GO HOME and forget all about it...
THAT IS WHY ALL OF THE LIBERAL CRUSADES are nothing but utter FAILURES
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GodsnLiberals:
you obviously have no appreciation for the programming on current.
and what have your conservative, right-wing crusades done for issues like this??
oh wait i remember, NOTHING. just thoughts like: "homosexuality is wrong, sinful, they're going to die, they're going to hell, they're freaks, NO MARRIAGE!"hate and useless words.
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achanceforpeace
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GodsnLiberals:
While conservative republicans are advocating for LESS government, LESS intervention, and assuming LESS accountability and transparency, others are making an EFFORT to provoke change. And by the way, no one ever got anywhere speaking in absolutes about issues they arent bold enough to analyze critically and fairly.
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achanceforpeace
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lifestudentno83
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GodsnLiberals:
If all you can do is criticize instead offering a solution, then how is what your doing any better than what you described? You shouldn't complain about hypocrisy if you're a chief practitioner.
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lifestudentno83
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FlexSF
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lifestudentno83:
Feed trolls negative points and flags, not comments.
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FlexSF
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achanceforpeace:
excuse me! conservative republican: advocating for less government, less intervention, and MORE accountability and transparency, while making an effort to provoke change.
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donkeyfly69
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csmonut
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FlexSF:
Good advice....never feed the trolls.
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csmonut
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donkeyfly69
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csmonut:
i've been called a "troll" at one point. i'm sure most active users on this have been at one time
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Blkwdw
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These Evangelicals are also the ones advising leaders in Congo, Uganda and other countries in Africa not to distribute condoms in high risk areas for AIDS because it promotes fornication.
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Blkwdw
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achanceforpeace
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No where does it indicate a journalistic bias that this particular Ugandan incident is cast over the entire continent of Africa. Although this issue has arisen in South Africa as well, let us not forget that Africa is indeed a continent, not a country to be generalized. The whole story has yet to be aired. Lets reserve judgement until the entire show has aired and the Ugandan voices are represented. Whats great about Mariana and the entire Vanguard team is that they present both sides of the story, straight from the voice of the people involved.
Looking forward to seeing it on TV. - 2 years ago
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Atalanda_Cameron:
Thanks to you and Ares for pointing the title out. Great to see that this is already generating a dialogue, though.
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achanceforpeace
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Atalanda_Cameron:
It's a good point but the title seems fair to me since 40 of Africa's 50 or so countries already have laws making it ILLEGAL just to be gay.
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achanceforpeace
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djnemo:
Yes, but while there are still exceptions, those exceptions should be celebrated and honored just as much as the rest should be abhorred - or, if we're lucky, understood on a culturally relative level. In the end, however, human rights are human rights, in my opinion and hate like this cannot be tolerated.
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achanceforpeace
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Atalanda_Cameron:
the entire continent of africa is a shithole....please prove me wrong..
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GodsnLiberals:
Really? Looks rather beautiful to me.
Pic taken from Luanda, the capital and largest city in Angola. - 2 years ago
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feefer2010
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Fuck evangelicals! All they ever want to do is make money and spread their message of hate
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feefer2010
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jubal
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feefer2010:
Evangelicals are the equivalent of Extremists Muslims.
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jubal
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achanceforpeace
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So honored to be part of this, Mariana! Cant wait to see it on TV. Looks like the team did an amazing job, as expected :)
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achanceforpeace
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Anthony_Gordon
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Even though sexual preference is a totally personal thing it seems this movement is only designed to further seperate the people of the world (Just like religions, science and politics). Where is the oneness or unity which we all share as a race of living beings on a single blue marbel planet??
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Blkwdw
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Anthony_Gordon:
No no no ! Science is not designed to do anything. It means a process of obtaining knowledge. pure science reports on finding based on observation repeated testing inference and critical thinking among other processes. IT is what it is, while facts of science are not 100% percent, but very close, Nature cannot be defined in absolutes either. There is always variation. Science is the one thing that unifies us all.
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Blkwdw
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Anthony_Gordon:
Well said. Except for the science part. I happen to agree with Blkwdw on that one.
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csmonut
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frank_runyeon
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Whoa, kinda intense VANGUARD outro...
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ozoneocean
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Wow, the landscape there is just like here in tropical northern tropical Australia- lush green plants and deep orangey red dusty dirt. Cool!
Funny how the US is exporting these nutty forms of Christianity these days. It reminds me of the Roman empire towards the end when they were a gradually failing military power and they'd started to export Christianity all over the place.
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jubal
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Well done exposing the evils of Evangelicalism.
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