Vanguard | May 17, 2010 | 251 comments

Missionaries of Hate, Pt. 1

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Correspondent Mariana van Zeller travels to Uganda, where many question whether the growing influence of American religious groups has led to a movement to make homosexuality a crime punishable by death. As an anti-gay movement spreads across the continent, gay Africans and their families face an increasingly uncertain future of isolation, imprisonment or even execution.

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251 comments // Missionaries of Hate, Pt. 1

  • mrgrtmchenry
    • 0
      mrgrtmchenry  
    • I am not gay and I have always questioned the ways of Gay people, but I have never thought to take judgement from God and put it to practice myself. That's like taking Gods job away and using it to benefit your own evil ways, just like narrow minded Uganda Gov't, Uganda minsters, and the American EVILangelicals. I cannot believe The American EVILangelicals are back to stirring up another witch-hunt, what are we back in the 17th or 18th hundreds. I thought we are way pass those days. IDIOTS!!! The Uganda Gov't needs to start thinking for themselves instead of believing these EVIL Preachers that come to their country and make those ridiculous rules. Just like Moliere's Tartuffe, If you invite religion into your home, your inviting EVIL!!!!

    • 7 months ago
  • shana
  • orgulloTico
  • artemis6
  • MixandCue
  • ripuree
    • +2
      ripuree  
    • When you pain is being gay
      And you're hurt, ashamed or confused
      And wonder if you should suffer in silence another day.

      If often you feel self conscious with others around
      And you hate to face the world but can't hibernate
      So again you must get out, and face the crowd.

      If you wonder if your orientation is perverse
      And if you'll burn in hell, for who you are
      Though you didn't choose to bring this onto yourself.

      When confidences are betrayed
      And you don't know if you should trust again
      And you wonder if you'd been cursed in your mother's womb.

      When such thoughts you can't seem to stop or ignore
      And your head feels like at any minute it'll explode
      From endless thinking, anxieties fears and doubts.

      When you get to that point; and hopefully you'll remember before you get so low
      Know that at your most basic foundation you're an eternal being
      Made of vibrational energy that can be transformed; but not destroyed.

      We're all vibrational eternal energy beings
      And every thought, word, movement, action, plant, or thing is
      energy vibration too
      And its up to us to become who we feel we should be.

      Positive empowered thinking will return positive results
      And that is the real secret, that the Secret talks about
      But you may have to practice for sometime before seeing results.

      Customize and visualize your plans constantly in your mind
      You have a right to be here just like everyone else
      And your orientation is just as right as theirs.

      You alone needs to know and honor that, for it to be true
      Others don't have exclusive right to decide on your life
      But we've all been deluded to some extent, in such beliefs.

      So turn your thoughts of doubts, fear and confusion to those of self love
      Make up your mind to love yourself first and foremost no matter what
      And find ways to love and honor you daily, from now to the end of times.

      Take a mirror every time depression, hopelessness, anxiety, fear or shame assail you
      Look in your eyes and say to yourself aloud or silent I love you
      You're wonderful. You're OK just the way your are, and I love you the most.

      Just remember that at your core you're all energy
      To be molded, embraced and repeatedly transformed
      Until your best masterpiece you've become.

      In our ancestors' ignorant-innocence they taught us wrong about God
      And they couldn't have done better than the data available then
      But you alone can be sufficient to sufficiently love yourself.

      So decide right now, to become your own best friend
      And sure, it's nice to have the love and support of others
      But sometimes those around don't love themselves either, much less to love someone else.

      So don't take it as a flaw they see in you
      You know who you are on the inside
      And you know that it's their loss to refuse to get to know the inner you.

      I have now lived to be 55 years young
      And only at the beginning of 2010 have I become happy and not sad
      From different childhood dramas, making me always wanting to end my life.

      I knew well how to resolve everyone's problems
      Therefore was the best People Pleaser who loved from Outside In,
      instead of Inside Out
      My journey of recovery was bumpy and long and it took decades of doubts.

      But today I am happy, love life, no longer self-consciously seeking to please and be loved
      So its never too late to bring the real you that often cower in fear and shame
      Just stop being stuck at what is, and focus daily on who you intend to be.

      If you're sure you're gay you're not ungodly, disgusting and perverse
      If God made you, then that is how he intended you to be
      But whatever, its now up to you to not let others kill your Spirit, before you live.

      Good health will also improve your mood
      Drink plenty of water, and more real than unprocessed foods
      Cut out sugary food as much as possible, be sure to daily eliminate body waste at least daily, and practice taking deep and cleansing breaths.

      When you feel depression coming try to think of the opposite of what depresses you
      Believe me its those things that brought about my recovery, not drugs
      Just learn to think of what you want, not what is happening that you don't prefer.

      Love your self daily. Walk with shoulders and head up. Accept who you are
      And let what others think about you be their business, no longer yours
      Just say I am happy daily, even if you don't feel it. Soon it will be true for you too.

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Lemanski
    • +3
      Jake_Lemanski  
    • Can't believe how disgusting and cruel some people can be. What is wrong with these people? Especially the man who said he would hang his own daughter for being a lesbian. And he thinks we are the ones that have problems? wow.

    • 1 year ago
  • ripuree
    • +2
      ripuree  
    • Africans have adapted the evils of Christianity that brutalized them to give up their older wiser ways, and have now turned it against themselves. Before Christianity they had more love and tolerance for each other. Now today they are just as intolerant of differences amongst themselves as European Christians were intolerant of their different skin color and ways of life.

    • 1 year ago
  • Christopher_Barksdale
  • orgulloTico
  • Orion_Blastar
    • +3
      Orion_Blastar  
    • As a pirate ninja Christian I support the rights and freedoms of all sexual orientations. Homosexuals want to get married? I don't care and I won't stop them or make it illegal anyway. What you do in your own home and life I don't care as I am a moderate Libertarian or as Judge Mills Lane would say "I'll allow it." If I make a business I will pick health insurance that supports domestic partnerships and when same sex marriage is made law then I'd be the first business to support it.

      You never want to discriminate against people, they make have some talent or skill you might need for the business to succeed or help others. In my career I worked with HLGBTT type people and I didn't care. Others picked on them and I said leave them alone we need their help to get our jobs done and I'll work with anyone willing to work with me.

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
  • ras_menelik
  • artemis6
  • BluePride
    • +1
      BluePride  
    • This is chilling and frightening... Most importantly is to get the newly created gay celebrities in Uganda OUT of their homeland. Otherwise they will be murdered/martyred by some religious zealot, inspired by American Christians. Current has unwittingly placed itself in a very 'Jenny Jones' position since the series has made many Ugandan gays well known. That tragedy could have been foreseen and this one can too. Before there is harm to them get them safely to another location. Perhaps even, they should be granted asylem for religious persecution in their home country. I hope Current takes this seriously.

      Those most accountable include those American zealots who went to another country and culture and continued age-old missionary work, the spoiling of cultures and peoples. These are crimes against humanity. This reporter has a duty to be ethical and not harm her interviewee/subject via her production.

    • 1 year ago
  • donkeyfly69
    • 0
      donkeyfly69  
    • BluePride:

      not to say that we don't have the resources to take care of all of the persecuted people of the world; but that shouldn't be the answer. cutting off our ties with uganda won't help them or the gay ugandans who live there. most of the people there can read and can't afford school. how many of them will continue to be homophobic with a high school education?

    • 1 year ago
  • Tammie_Huber
  • donkeyfly69
  • Tammie_Huber
    • 0
      Tammie_Huber  
    • donkeyfly69:

      I was just saying simply, which is correct, loving someone? same sex or opposite sex? love is love in my book. Or... hating someone for whatever reason? Hating gays or whomever for any reason, is wrong...just my opinion.

    • 1 year ago
  • artemis6
    • +2
      artemis6  
    • Tammie_Huber:

      EDUFUCKINGCATION ! ALL of this is caused by IGNORANCE . Religious extremism = ignorance . Taliban = ignorance . If we exported as many schools and teachers as we do bombs and soldiers , This would NOT take place . Love or hate is a false question . Anyone who can reason will come to the decent conclusion . Reason rarely comes without a broad education . READ A BOOK . Not just the bible .

    • 1 year ago
  • Benjamin_Wellsby
  • Wozzisname
    • +7
      Wozzisname  
    • The God of Love? The Merciful God?
      So who are these mere human beings to set themselves up to make judgements of "eternal" sin?
      Or to claim the power to take decisions to take life that were never theirs to take as if they are the divine higher authority?
      Arrogance, not the meekness of the Sermon of the Mount.
      Bloody, vengeful, hate-mongers.

      The problem is not so much with the Christ, but the people who claim to be his followers.

      And time that Africans rejected the imperialist aspirations that drive the foreign missionaries. And bring down to size those of their own with hunger for power, over people's minds, and over their land and wealth and freedom.

      Long live freedom, respect, tolerance, love and peace!

      Away, away the Satan of hatred, bigotry and mercilessness!

    • 1 year ago
  • dariusvons
    • +10
      dariusvons  
    • homosexuality is against nature and god? really? so are we made in gods image? or are we animals?

      if man is made in gods image, then the image of god MUST include homosexuality.

      it IS known that other animals participate in homosexual play... so if man is an animal what's the problem?

      also if it's really against GOD (all mighty, all powerful, GOD) why do YOU (pittiful little you) need to defend and stand up for a vastly supirior being that has the ability to enforce what he/she sees as just and right?

    • 1 year ago
  • Confucius
  • dariusvons
  • dariusvons
    • +7
      dariusvons  
    • “what do homosexuals do?”... unless you yourself are a homosexual, I don't think you have any idea what they do… but then again if you yourself are gay, then perhaps your own desires fantasies and urges might give you a hint at what OTHER homosexuals do... this goes to the whole argument that, As Shakespeare put it in King Lear, “the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offense for which he plies the lash.” The only reason why anybody would be so vocal about the sins of homosexuality is because of their own shame. Stop projecting your self hate and shame onto others, get over yourself. The world is hard enough already without people intentionally making it harder for other people.

      The anti-homosexual movement is little more than a scapegoat distraction. Blame the gays they say. Like the Nazi movement in Germany blamed the Jews, then gypsies, then the polish… it’s all simply scapegoating. Until these people (religious folks) are willing to face up to their ACTUAL problems (poverty, disease…) and NOT rely on the invisible hands of god or government to solve them, they will remain addicts to this poisonous “religious” movement.

      Just a question… what happens if they succeed in eliminating homosexual “sinners” what happens then? Will earth be Eden again? Will killing homosexuals (also gods children) grant them entry to heaven? Will the end of homosexuality mean prosperity and happiness? Will they finally shut up and let the rest of us live our lives? NO, they’ll move on to scapegoat somebody else… like that saying from Martin Neimoller, the German pastor castigating the inactivity of the German intellectual elite during WWII.

      "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
      and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

      THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
      and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

      THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
      and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

      THEN THEY CAME for me
      and by that time no one was left to speak up."

      Simply put, there are all too many good and valid arguments as to why homosexuals are to be treated no differently than anybody else (like basic human decency), and there is really only ONE argument to justify any contradiction to this, the whole “sin” argument… a very weak argument, based only on books of bronze age mythology.

    • 1 year ago
  • dariusvons
  • SorenDavi
  • randallr01
    • +5
      randallr01  
    • SorenDavi:

      Contrary to your asinine beliefs in Uganda, "eating poo poo" is not a common Gay activity. It's a fetish that knows no specific sexuality.

      But even so, you seem to be a little too obsessed with sex. You should probably seek counseling.

    • 1 year ago
  • SorenDavi
  • donkeyfly69
  • SorenDavi
    • -6
      SorenDavi  
    • donkeyfly69:

      Not trying to sound sarcastic but your friend got all worked up just because I mimicked the pastor's comment on the video. Which i thought was funny.
      So who has the chip on their shoulder?

      And yes I stand with a sovereign nation applying its laws. I am not gay and I don't live in Uganda.

    • 1 year ago
  • donkeyfly69
    • +2
      donkeyfly69  
    • SorenDavi:

      "I mimicked the pastor's comment on the video. Which i thought was funny. "

      it's probably because we don't find it funny. he is spreading lies, poisoning people minds, and condoning murder. if hitler made a joke i wouldn't find it funny but that's just me.

      "And yes I stand with a sovereign nation applying its laws."

      you're blindly following that logic? would you support america enslaving africans and breeding them like cattle? would you support killing it's jews? where do you draw the line?

      "I am not gay and I don't live in Uganda."

      imagine all of the gay and lesbian people that are living in uganda. living in fear for their lives just because of who they are. there isn't even a "make them straight" or "pray away the gay" option. it is a death sentence

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • benji5man
    • +5
      benji5man  
    • This is awesome. I can't quite understand, because our culture is so far removed from this extremist anti-gay movement. How surreal, shocking, appauling. This goes against social evolution so directly.

    • 1 year ago
  • global001
  • Jennifer_Lamb
  • josoc
  • Jordan_Verrett
  • mirandansa
    • +8
      mirandansa  
    • Jordan_Verrett:

      « this is not the essence of christianity... at all »

      Christianity has many self-contradictory 'essences'. The Old Testament explicitly forbids homosexuality but the New Testament implicitly tolerates it. Many Christians argue that the first coming of Jesus changed the rules of the OT, but that's ignoring Matthew 5:17-20, which states that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law. As far as explicitness is concerned, Christianity leans more toward anti-homosexuality. But a Christian argument against anti-homosexuality is not impossible. At any rate, this religion has no 'essential' position on this subject. In your comment you just asserted what you *personally* wish Christianity would say on homosexuality.

    • 1 year ago
  • dalistuff
    • +11
      dalistuff  
    • How hard is it to understand that when you die all you get is six feet under dirt and rocks. Why make your life or someone else's so miserable for an imaginary man?

    • 1 year ago
  • acontradiction
  • EthicalVegan
  • Ryuu88
    • +6
      Ryuu88  
    • Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as

      ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

      (a) Killing members of the group;
      (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
      (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
      (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
      (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

      – Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2
      (United Nations General Assembly)

    • 1 year ago
  • taylor84
    • +8
      taylor84  
    • all of these people who say homosexuals deserve to be hated,imprisoned, put to death based on their religious views are forgetting one important fact. The bible says what it says about a man laying with a man, but nowhere does it say that a mortal decides if someone lives or dies, only god makes that decision, and none of these people preaching such hatred are divine entities(if i spelled that wrong sorry)

    • 1 year ago
  • acontradiction
  • randallr01
  • acontradiction
  • donkeyfly69
  • donkeyfly69
    • +2
      donkeyfly69  
    • acontradiction:

      "they are unable to decipher what they see on magazines and tv.."

      last time i checked uganda wasn't the best place to find gay media. i'm pretty sure any ideas they are getting about homosexuals are put forth by (presumed to be or homophobic) heterosexuals.

    • 1 year ago
  • hotjuno
    • +1
      hotjuno  
    • donkeyfly69:

      Hey. So I read your comment and it doesnt seem as if you read what I initially said. My point was that there is a greater story out there about Africa; the continent wide arable land grab by BIG $$$ and the U.S. command in Africa, AFRICOM and all the war games occuring almost simultaneously along w/ an attack on gays in Africa.
      All of this at the same time. I don't see the issue of homosexuality in Uganda as real, I don't. It's not about sex in the least. It can not be proven...only the blood is evidence. The purpose is not to attack gays but to splinter Labor in order to liberalize Africa's natural resources, that's all. Perhaps Christianity is an executor of plunder, can you think about this? See ya'

    • 1 year ago
  • donkeyfly69
  • global001
    • +3
      global001  
    • acontradiction:

      That looks to me like some guys having fun dressing up and putting on a show. Its exactly the same on a stage (make up, costumes and overt behavior) Its funny how no one has a problem with it on a stage but in a parade and because its a gay parade their is so much vilification. This is not their everyday behavior in the same why as actors dont live their lives like this 24/7. I agree with you in the respect that the media will only broadcast the most extreme in a gay parades or events which does as you infer skew the image of what gay men and woman actually are.

    • 1 year ago
  • global001
    • +3
      global001  
    • hotjuno:

      I think you're right. Christianity is used as the executor of plunder. Its happened all over the west too. Divide and conquer. The good values of Christianity are used to get support and then the hate beings.

    • 1 year ago
  • ImissLaura
  • 2damax
  • jane44095
    • +5
      jane44095  
    • ImissLaura:

      You are forgetting that Uganda excepts aid from the USA food,medicine.... How the message is sent is of no consequence, as long as you understand that your American money is going to support this bullshit !

    • 1 year ago
  • ImissLaura
  • jane44095
    • +3
      jane44095  
    • ImissLaura:

      So your saying when they asked us to overthrow Idi Amin we should have told them that ethnic cleansing is what the people want soo just go ahead and keep it up?They wanted to overthrow a dictator and excepted help from Britain and the US,in excepting aid they agreed to except British and American policies,such as no discrimination toward any sect religious or otherwise.Being a democratic society doesn't mean you can go around killing and jailing people because they are different than you or I.
      They don't yet understand democracy,and it's failings.We as as a society have been through this.TRAIL AND ERROR?So who cares if a few people die because of an ERROR?
      We sanction N.Korea and Iran for just this reason!
      Finally where is the proof that this information is biased fact?Making assumptions is a very critical flaw in basing your facts.

    • 1 year ago
  • ImissLaura
  • musiker91
    • +4
      musiker91  
    • ImissLaura:

      I've been in journalism for 4 years now. There's no such thing as unbiased reporting.
      Besides, humans aren't robots, they're meant to feel (unlike you, of course).
      Facts are useless if you're not meant to feel anything. I don't need Mariana telling me what to believe or how to feel. And I don't need you telling people they're stupid just because they were affected by something they saw. You're just as critical a "storyteller" you claim Mariana to be.

    • 1 year ago
  • acontradiction
  • randallr01
  • EthicalVegan
    • +8
      EthicalVegan  
    • acontradiction:

      Jesus, those are only SOME gays..... a really ridiculously small minority. And, just as with any other group, it's always the "outlandish" who make it to the news.

      I was fortunate to be brought up with people of all types, and it wasn't 'til I was in my very early teens that I started realizing that some of those folks and couples I loved so dearly were lesbian or gay. It wasn't flaunted... but, at the same time, it wasn't covered up. They were who they were... Look around you. All types of sexuality are present everywhere, and most do not sensationalize it. Either way, I personally don't care. I'm not personally being "hurt" by whatever it is. It just is.

    • 2 years ago
  • EthicalVegan
  • nemomarlin
  • randallr01
  • Terry_Knapp
  • Terry_Knapp
  • acontradiction
  • acontradiction
  • randallr01
    • +2
      randallr01  
    • acontradiction:

      What bad imagery am I confirming?

      No one "gets what the fuck [you're] trying to say here" because you're not really saying anything. You still have said nothing about wether you support Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill or not, and that's what the topic is here.

      This is not about gay pride or the fact that you are annoyed by gays. We are discussing a proposed law that puts people in prison simply for being gay. What do you think about this law? Do you support what these Ugandans are doing?

    • 1 year ago
  • donkeyfly69
  • donkeyfly69
  • Einsam_Data_Old
  • zeropiate
    • +2
      zeropiate  
    • Just so that I understand correctly, crypto-religious American fascist neo-imperialism is making Uganda a dangerous place to like The Culture Club and oddly shaped carrots. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    • 2 years ago
  • Coolie20
    • +3
      Coolie20  
    • But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either Go From now on sin no more." John 8:7-11

      They shouldn't just read the bible just as an accomplishment, they should try to get to know the one who wrote it, because surely cruel punishment without compassion for those that need it the most is NOT on his heart...this saddens me so so much...

    • 2 years ago
  • jdblue82
    • +1
      jdblue82  
    • Coolie20:

      Based on this comment, I don't know where you stand on human sexuality vis-a-vis your moral system.

      But I'm okay with that, because you've shown that your personal ideals aren't the point here. Wish more American Christians could get on board with the idea that spiritual violence is not what the Christian faith was supposed to be about. Maybe then we wouldn't thrown matches on live tinder so often.

      The flames of hate in Uganda will take a long time to cool down. Now I don't know about a lot of things, but I do know that my own personal and religious beliefs aren't worth provoking a genocide.

    • 1 year ago
  • ZeldaMasterZapp
  • jdblue82
  • randallr01
  • acontradiction
  • randallr01
  • acontradiction
  • jdblue82
    • +4
      jdblue82  
    • randallr01:

      Actually, no.

      Take a group of people, selectively read to them from the Bible, then tell them how to interpret what you've selected for them to read. That's how you get things like the Uganda Anti-Gay Bill (or the Crusades).

      The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all the other Holy books in the world are not the source of spiritual violence. People are. Most of those folks in the videos are good people who've been given some very, very bad information.

      The motives of their ringleaders are another question.

      Ultimately when you surrender the course of your life to fear, you become easily manipulated. It's how the Soviet Union came about. It's how Nazi Germany began. Unfortunately, it's also how a lot of "Christian" churches try to keep their Sunday attendance numbers high, too.

    • 1 year ago
  • randallr01
  • donkeyfly69
  • randallr01
  • acontradiction
  • jdblue82
    • +5
      jdblue82  
    • acontradiction:

      I normally don't reply to folks who have a tenuous grasp on reality, but you need to understand a few things:

      1. Marriage is not, and historically has not been, a religious ceremony. You can get married in a courthouse, skydiving from a plane, on a beach, or where ever you want. You can get married without a pastor present. You can get married without ever once mentioning God. In case you hadn't noticed, it's the government that certifies the marriage as valid, not the church.

      2. Religious ceremonies aren't prohibited to gays and lesbians. I could propose to my boyfriend tomorrow and plan a wedding and have it in a church that is open to and accepting of gays and lesbians. That's a right I already have, guaranteed to me and to that open and accepting church via our First Amendment right to free exercise of religion without government interference.

      3. I highly doubt that every single homosexual hates religion, and in fact I think most probably are religious on some level. The problem with many organized religions though is their historical antipathy towards the "other." Homosexuals have long been demonized as part of those "others" who are outside the church/mosque/synagogue/temple/etc. So if randallr01 has a mild antipathy towards religion, it's a pretty large leap to assume that every gay shares his exact same feelings. All Christians are not alike in thought and word. Why do you assume all gays are?

      4. Civil unions are not equality. They rarely grant the same level of rights for a same-sex marriage than for an opposite-sex marriage, and they certainly don't meet with our nation's historical notions of equality. Unless you're prepared to argue that the Segregationist's "separate but equal" truly was equal, you have to admit that a "civil union" is an inferior status.

    • 1 year ago
  • TofuPeace
  • randallr01
    • +5
      randallr01  
    • What do gays do in our bedrooms???

      Well, probably 98% of the time, this homo plays World of Warcraft, reads news, drinks wine, watches TV, sleeps, browses facebook.....

    • 2 years ago
  • acontradiction
  • randallr01
  • TofuPeace
  • acontradiction
  • acontradiction
  • jdblue82
  • jdblue82
  • jdblue82
    • +1
      jdblue82  
    • acontradiction:

      If you're so straight, why are you so uncomfortable with the photo above? It shouldn't bother you if you're secure in your sexuality. Victoria's Secret ads don't bug me, nor do pictures of Pamela Anderson. (And seriously, how many of *those* would get past moderation here...)

      What you're uncomfortable with is likely not the pictures, but how the pictures make you feel. Mask it in disgust if you like, but to those of us who've been in the closet, it sounds like you're trying to compensate for something you feel insecure about.

      More to the point, why are you taking one day in the life of the gay community (Pride) and presenting it as the entire year? That would be like assuming Mardi Gras is representative of a straight person's day-to-day existence.

    • 1 year ago
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