Missionaries of Hate: Vanguard Trailer

gay is against all nature, all that is wonderful about life

Hollow only in your limited understanding. I feel for today's youth who are "totally suckered in" to the gay agenda. Identifying yourself as a minority was the only way you have acheived the level of acceptance you have today.
And as far as "the shackles", I don't even want to think about it.

gay is against all nature, all that is wonderful about life

gay is against all nature, all that is wonderful about life

As far as I know, it is only on cable. If I learn otherwise, I will post the infor for you. Good luck.

why?
since when does faith have anything to do with biological functions?

you make sense

Yes! I've noticed a number your comments and I must say you have intelligently and tactfully stated your points unlike some other people.

You make no mention of two important things. One being a medical condition, the other being a form of perversion. It's my opinion that anyone truely born gay is affected by a medical condition which is no fault of their own. These people have my affection and best wishes. The rest, and I believe the overwhelming majority, like to behave sexually in any mannor they wish. Just look how freecrack talks. It's these people I reject.
It's a matter of who you decide to support.
I will give you an example that somewhat explains how I feel: Muslims may be nice religious people. They might want to work towards the good of humanity. But since they will not take a strong stand against extremists, they will not get support from most of the American people. That said, the same is true of gay people. Until you take a stand against child molesters, MABLA, and other liberal groups that are perverted, don't expect support from the American public.
I will show you how easy it is: If a man rapes a woman, I condemn him to prison. If a Cathloic Priest molests a young boy, put him in Jail. If a Christian robs a bank, arrest him and punish him. If a white man beats up a black man, arrest and punish him. If a black man beats up a white man, do the same.
It's simple. DO THE RIGHT THING. Always distance yourself from those who are clinging to your coattails for their oun selfish reasons.
If you would have done this from the beginning, you would not be experiencing the rejection that you are today.

Amazing how you prejudge me when you know nothing about me. I had a gay roomate for two years and he was a good friend of mine. We had many civilized and honest discussions about this topic. I'm not saying you are 100% wrong, but I strongly believe we as human beings are not robots. You and some of these people on this post present a one size fits all for the entire human race. I simply believe the human race is very complex in so many areas and not everyone is destined to be a certain way forever. Furthermore I have spent plenty of time outside of my religious group. In response to your condescending remarks I have been living in Asia for a year and a half and I did not come here under religious guidance, I came here not knowing a single soul, and not knowing the language. All I knew was that I was going to teach English, so now I'm exploring and living in a different culture, not limited to sexuality, so spare me with ridiculous comments like I am naive. I was born in a christian home, not a religious compound. The problem with you and some others here is that you call people like myself and veeger naive simply because we don't think the exact same way you do which is typical of today when I look at society and the political spectrum. The extreme right and left are both one in the same, they both want to control every little aspects of our lives with slightly different rhetoric. That's why I'm an independent voter. Oh! I also think Don't ask, don't tell is unconstitutional. Am I still a hater? Am I still naive?

Once again you have brought an intelligent argument to this debate. Also you have been nothing, but decent and rational throughout this debate.

Thank you. I believe that we must lead by example. My intention is to show young people that there is another side to every story. Sadly, too many adults do not realize this as being part of their responsibility.
I have been around long enough to see the changes that have taken place in our society. Too many things have changed for the worse. I mentored in our public school and was totally shocked by the behavior of students. But I tried and successfully made a difference with some. Young people need guidance. I am here to give it.

if you think about the "born this way" statement, are you not born heterosexual? were you taught to be aroused by women, or was it a natural result of how you were just born to be?
it is the opposite of narrow minded, in that we are all born certain ways, not one certain way.one is born black, another white, another gay, another straight.it is the most open minded view one can have.

we can explain the daddy turned gay on his 40th birthday, as social.daddy was always gay.even when he was procreating with mommy.he was just trying really really hard to not be gay, for social reasons.i know this from first hand experience (ex employer), and parents of friends.it didnt take him 40 years to realize his homosexuality, but 40 years to gain the strength to accept it in the face of a society that kills for less.usualy as i am told, it is a result of living a closeted life for so long, that suicide seems the only way out.they choose to come out of the closet rather than end it all.it isnt a turn around, but coming out.

if you think sexuality is something that can be molded, you may want to really look into your own sexual preference.cuz i hit puberty, and havent stopped loving boobies ever since.i have always found the female form that wich i desire to see naked, and the male antomy repulsive.yes i have changed over the years as i have aquirred wisdom, and im beyond curious if my perspective will deviate in another 15 yrs as much as it has over the previous 15.but my enjoyment of lady parts has never really changed.

but all of that is all bullshit at the end of the day.people are people, wether you like it or not.i dont like homosexuality, as i find it really really gross, so i just dont have any gay sex.problem solved, and that is really all thier is to it.if god created all of existence for a purpose, he created the homos.and who among us can judge its right to exist, if god created it, right?

well that is fair, as i reject you as well.the neat thing is though, that niether of us need change ourselves to accomodate the other.we can both enjoy our existances peacefully.it is that wich must not be triffled with.

if it is a medical condition, what ever.biological event, medical condition, same concept at its root, just different implications in expressing the theory.but perversion is based on your value system, wich is hardly a basis for any social order.or my value system either for that matter.

your perspective (and i really dont mean this as an insult) is rediculously broad.you dont imagine that the muslim world isnt full of mothers and fathers who actively fight to keep thier kids from being lured into jihad, the same as ours work to prevent our kids from joining gangs? you dont see the saudi, and jordanian intelligence services who work with us as islam fighting terrorism? not to mention no shortage of imams, and muslim citizens condeming terrorists? you are choosing to only see one compilation of people, and are viewing the larger group based on that compilation.same thing with homosexuality, as child molestation is a libel, not a result.child molesters no matter how you play the stats, are overwhelmingly heterosexual.from the insane amount of priests who like pee pee touching (not gay as the church doesnt allow that) to all the late night sneaky uncles.to put child molesters, and homosexuals in the same catagory is either a result of ignorance, or willfull libeling.

notice if you will though, that veeger poses (without opposition from you, or most) that the muslim world is getting what it is getting from us, as a result of it not condeming terrorism as it should.
those who attack you as an evangelic, or christian, or what ever are also functioning similarly.

if you were a christian fighting for gay rights, or part of a loud,proud, pro gay church it would be something different.but as it is, christianity (evangelics in particular) are the ones who are attacking the gays, without remorse.just as jihad is earning backlash to islam, the church is earning a backlash from tolerant people.same dynamic, and basic human emotional reaction and behavior, just different characters at play.

was it hard learning what ever language you needed to learn, cuz im a pretty good linguist, but asian dialects seem way too intimidating to even try.sure spanish,italian,hebrew,russian no biggie.but the asian tongue seems to extreme.

is it decent to characterize what some one enjoys as perverted?
is that not a negative libel placed at the feet of gays.that doesnt seem decent, but libelous.

My intention is to show young people that there is another side to every story.

are you under the impression that a liberal progressive view is the standard, and a religious view is the minority view? cuz if so wouldnt gay marraige be in place, and homophobia not exist?

your religious view is the dominant, not alternative view.homosexuals are the minority fighting, you are the majority oppressing.it isnt as if our highways are littered with gay billboards, but you sure cant travel the country without jesus in your face.

There should be no opposition from any rational human being. Good and decent Muslims are afraid. That is where the problem lies. The extremists have that affect on their own. That is the sad part. That said, it is still in their hands. The good people MUST rise up against evil, no matter what the cost. There is no other wat to distance themselves and obtain our respect. Up to this point, any American would be a fool to place their trust in any Muslim, period.

p.s. Freecrack, it's nice to see you write without being vulger. Suddenly you seem to make morre sense. Lesson learned.

you counter your own ideals, as you speak/type them. in one breathe it is all about human beings, not creating division, wich is my position.then you cap it off that any american (like we are the only people who matter?) would be a fool to place thier trust in any muslim, period.
now you have both elevated americans as more valuable or rightious form of life than others.also demonized all muslims as not worthy of recieving the trust we would instill in all others.

you speak of humanity, then exclude muslims from it.

yes good people must rise up against evil, wich is what im doing.i dont care if you are black,white,jewish,christian,or dare i say even muslim.if you are on the side of right, that is all that matters.not the name of the god you pray to.not the color of your skin, or the gender you may be, or who you like to have sex with.if you stand up for the rghts of ALL of humanity, you are on the side of right.if you segregate you are on the side of evil.wether is is segregation by viewing all americans or christians as infidels, or viewing all muslims as terrorist liars.both are the same evil, just different names.

when our south was rife with the klan, good people traveled there to fight them, and protect the innocent.locals spoke out against the klan, and many died as a result.many stayed silent out of fear, and others worked under the radar underground railroad style.point being that if outsiders viewed mississippi as all fundamentalist christians,not to be trusted but killed, would that have served to help or hurt? you are doing it to islam, despite only 20 percent of islam being arab, and less than 1 percent being terrorists.

you cant speak of good people rightiously, and then exclude those of a different faith.you arent inerested in good people, but good jews and christians only.when the wave of antisemitism hit the middle east, and every country was hunting its jews, do you really imagine those who escaped did so without muslim help? do you not recognize that as we speak muslim are in the middle east fighting on our behalf?our freedom is indebted to jews,christians,and muslims alike.

your ability to read understand what i type better as a result of curse words not being present is just sad.if a lesson is to be learned, it is that you are so close minded that you cant get around certain words.you are severely stuck.there is a whole lot of wisdom out there framed in words that you find objectionable.it is a shame that you chose willfull ignorance, than endure words you dont like to hear in order to understand others.it is sad that we can tolerate mathew,and leviticus, but you cant handle fuck.

I do not counter my ideals, just realize the good and evil in everything. I do not elvevate anyone. I DO point out what should be the obvious, and say what others feel. Muslins may be good people. Like you point out with the Christians, good people went to war and often times sacrificed their lives to stop evil, such as the KKK. This is what MUST BE DONE, in order to gain the trust of the American people.

You have a problem, as I see it, as to where to draw the line. For instance: "not the name of God you pray to. not the color of your skin, or the gender you may be, or who you like to have sex with." What if you like to have sex with children? What if you like to have sex with animals? What if you like to have sex with your first cousin? Where do YOU, Freecrack, draw the line. It seems like there is no limit, or line between acceptable and unacceptable behavior with you.

Now, you seemed to be doing well in your response all the way up to the last word. This is what I see as going over the line. See the difference? It is acceptable to me if you reply and disagree with me. It is not acceptable to inject vulgarity. You got your point across but couldn's resist the temptation to write a swear word.

Resisting temptation is what it's all about. Without this, we are nothing but animals. Life is nothing but chaos. Herein lies everything I have ever stated in a nutshell.

if thier is good and evil in everything, then thier is good and evil in muslims.wich means to NEVER trust, or accept a muslim is to be in error, as you would be choosing to only see the evil, whilst ignoring the good.
when speaking of feelings, how can you state with any kind of authority, or acuracy that wich exist only in the heart of others.you assume to speak of that wich others feel, but as you can only know what you feel, you are speaking to what you assume others feel.you could be just as wrong as you are right, and most likely wrong, as feelings are unique unto us.
what does nationality matter, when talking in terms of absolutes such as good and evil? are they not human beings first, before they are iraqi, or afgani, or australian, or asain? is humanity not the overriding commonality, that links us all.does acknowledging natonal status only serve as a divisive means, to ignore the humanity that binds us? is that not the same error in the terrorist's perspective? that arab nationalism supercedes humanity?
why should any people (not government) be made to trust, or distrust another people.it is an insane expectation.why do we have leaders, if our individual trust is to be earned? i dont trust shlomo the shoe maker in israel, nor does he trust me.but we dont have to, and can still quite easily exist peacefully, in the same world, at the same time.

"what if you like to have sex with children?"
then you have a clear sickness, and you need as a decent person to adress it, in the hopes of fixing it.if you desire to bang little kids, and you do, you are evil as you have given in to that wich you know to be wrong in favor of the pleasures of the flesh.the most selfish of endevours.if you refrain, just like with any other negative desire, you are a good person.just as cancer can be an afliction upon a good person, so can malevolent desires.like the desire to damn another based on xenophobic fears.but not acting on them, and seeking help is the dividing line isnt it?

thier is a line of acceptable, and unacceptable behavior for me, as i am arguing with you based on finding your behavior in speech, unacceptable.the thing is, as a human being who respects other human beings to a level i desire they respect me, i dont think my line is THE line.it is the line for me in my life, and my life alone.my wife has hers, and niether you, her, or anyone else will dictate it to me.nor would i expect my line to be dictated to another, cuz if that happens, where is the line at wich we stop imposing lines? at what point do i stop imposing my line, at not accepting anyone who is conservative, or should i fight against everyone who worships christ as i dont believe in him, so niether can you?

fyi, wich is what i think you were driving at, i believe in the strictest talmudic interpretation of acceptable behavior.judge cautiously, and strive fpr takun olam.as long as what i put out into the world is geared towards betterment, and doesnt hurt anyone, im allgood.i could bang an 18 yr old, as the law permits me to, but i wouldnt.as a man in my 30's i recognize how that would be emotionaly abusive, and exploitive despite no legal prohabition existing.that is how my line is placed.and no matter how many homos get it on, they arent hurting anyone, but acting in love, wich cannot be denied if we want to live in good society, in a good world.

dont even bring up banging cousins as that is something we have just bearly, as people, moved away from, and the our ancestors all did it, and condoned it.

swear word is a distinction that exist soley on your side of this exchange.it is you creating a loop hole in wich you can discard that wich you dont care to hear.wether or not one have properly expresses one self depends heavily on the verbage they use.angry vs furious for example denoting two different tones, and expresses passion or lack thier of.the means of emphasis.some times i can hear something that i find objectionable, and my emotional reaction is so slight, a sigh, or roll of the eyes acurately express's my feelings.other times the absurdity hits me so hard, that a "what the fuck" is the only means by wich i can express,acurately, my reaction.

not to mention that accepting the worl "luck" is acceptable, but "fuck" is not, is a completely rediculous, arbitrary line of distinction that at the end of the day, matters not.the letter "f" doesnt split the earth in two, and cause all babies to explode.the devils chords when played on the guitar wont summon the devil, swear words dont hasten our demise, and gay sex matters not if you are hetero.some people find "hell" to be a swear word, and others "god damn", while thier very preachers say "god damn" regularly.i concern myself with words that actualy effect the world, like fag,or raghead.words that elicit a negative response in others.not words like "hell" that just hang there, and do nothing.

if you are so assured of your understanding of human nature, so much so to authoritatively speak to others about how they should function, you should know that i didnt swear due to a lack of strength against temptation.i swore as an active protest on principal, with each swear word further highlighting both the rediculousless nature of fearing them, and forcing you (despite a desire to not) encounter that wich you refuse.just as the religious do the same with jesus to the rest of us, i did the same with swear words to you.it isnt a matter of resisting temptation.i work with people, of all walks, all day long, and never utter a word that would be unprofessional.that is the tinniest restraint, not even really worth considering restraint.

life is about avoiding temptation, if your philosiphy is based on fear.when your stomache pains from hunger, eating isnt a flaw in ones ability to avoid temptation.it is by our flesh that we are in this world, and we are subservant to it.to negotiate our temptations, is the purpose a value system serves.the difference between islam's philisophical flaw, of complete subserviance as opposed to the judeo-christian negotiation of our will, not the sacrifice of it.what seperate us from the animals is compasion,and the ability to understand it, as my dog can resist temptation.

"Never trust" has nothing to do with good and evil. Now stay with me.....Trust is earned. Efforts in good faith along with setting a good example earn the trust of others. It makes no difference whether one is trusting good, or evil. So my mistrust in the Muslim community is a response to the facts as I see them.

Now, the source of my facts may be slanted, in which case, it is up to the entire Muslim community to make the required corrections. See, nobody else has this power to sway the American people. Lets come back to the "trunk of the tree'. Muslims must earn the respect of the American people by speaking up against the radicals of their own religion. If they fail to do this, only a fool could expect any other result.

Example #1: Any attempt to establish Sharia Law in the USA will be confronted by the exact same people that showed their power this past election, and it will fail.

Example #2 -Recently, I reveived an e-mail showing what happends to an 8 year old young boy, accused of stealing, under Muslim law. The boys arm was laid out while a large truck drove over it. Now, I am the first to admit that I can't believe ANYTHING shown over the internet, so I am asking you. Is this in any way typical punishment under Muslim law? If so, forget about achieving any legitimacy here in the USA.

Some of your examples parallel the thinking of the 60's. Peace and love was all that was necessary. Great idea!!!! But absolutely impossible as the following years proved. Non recognition of the evils such as greed and corruption were fatal to the movement. The hippie's never saw it coming.

Establishing lines of acceptance are necessary to the welfare of any culture. You can choose to ignore these, that's your choice. But don't be surprised by the welcome you receive.

Why did society move away from sex with close relitives? Was this an attempt to "put down" those who whished to continue having sex with family? Should I rise up in support of these individuals by plagiarizing most of your statements? No, the reason was a human health issue. Thus establishing a line of improper vs proper conduct.

I had to laugh at your attempt to show an "arbitary line of distinction" between 2 four letter words. You should know that changing one letter in a word can give it a truely different meaning making it unfit to print. The letter F can split the world in two, but it will depend on the circumstances in which it is used. Get the idea?
Here's one you can work on........The word SHIP is OK by me and most likely OK by everyone. Now, if I change the P to the letter T, then I have given it a whole new meaning.

Fag and Raghead are what we call slur's. Usually stated under a negitive connotation, which is mean. So, as an adult I will refrain from using them. See, I drew a line between proper and improper.

As per your attempt to counter the temptation issue, you failed completely. Avoiding temptation has nothing to do with a starving person being tempted by food, but rather a decision based on right and wrong. One can be tempted to betray a wife's love by submitting to the temptation of sex with another woman. A righteous person will avoid this temptation. There is nothing to negotiate, period. Your dog cannot resist temptation. Your dog will do whatever it can get away with. Your dog is guided by lines of what you deem proper behavior in your house. A dog has no conception of life or death. You can pull a dog out of a plane wreck and he most likely will want to play. He has no idea what has just happened.

Take a good look at yourself and ask this question: Am I living like a dog?

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trust is earned? really? respect is earned, but the basic element of trust in the nature of humanity is the basis for both our religions, is it not.seriously wold jesus advocate for not trusting a stranger, or loving them despite having no reason in particular to trust them.are we not commanded to offer shelter, and protect those who need shelter.blind of trust.
your mistrust in the muslim world, is prejudicial as you are equating its extremes to its entire body.i wouldnt trust a jihadi either, but the thing is, just like with the kkk, ya dont get to know in advance.i dont know wich cross wearing, sunday worshiping,jesus loving christian thinks im great as i am one of the chosen people, or thinks i need to be killed as a member of a relic faith.regardless, as a decent human being, i dont take a defensive, nontrusting stance with every christian.

why is it the responsability of someone else to educate you, and not your responsabilty? the standard you place on islam is a self fullfilling prophecy.you will never recieve a counterance of benevolence against the jihadi malevolence.just as we have yet to see christianity step up in the name of all that is good, to over ride the klan.it is up to you, especially when issuing judgement, to be as informed as possible.not the responsabilty of those who you are judging.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9gm-jbexeg
we must earn one anothers respect, as niether supercede the other.you rely again, and again on not hearing anti-terror messages from islam as the validation for your prejudgement, but you have your fingers in your ears.it is there if you seek it, despite it not being sexy enough to sell as much as terrorism.according to your standards nonchristian america would be valid in attacking christianity based on the klan, wich we both no would be absurd.

example#1
NO ATTEMPT AT CREATING SHARIA EXISTS, JUST AS NO RELIGION CAN USURP OUR LAW.
ya know how christianity has been lamenting this for generations, that christianity isnt allowed to dominate secular law.why the fuck would you imagine some exception exists for sharia? it is just absurd.
example#2
i know the video well, and it is cut and paste propaganda.it is a parlor trick caught on video, not a punishment.notice the cloth that lays underneath the kids arm, as well as the arm not being severed, therefore not carrying out the alleged sentence.
the same sick, macabre punishment courses through all of our religions.from jesus having to stop the jews from stoning, to christianity in the last century lynching people.yes it is a savage barbaric means by wich to uphold the law, but it isnt islam standard, as many muslim nations dont adhere to that.turkey for instance doesnt do this, despite being a muslim authority.
islam already has legitimacy in the untied states, as it has been a religion practiced by multitudes (exceeding jews) for almost 50 yrs.islam reaches legitimacy in the same way judaism does, reformation.just as we cant go about killing all those who dont observe the sabbath as we are commanded, american muslims dont excersice sharia.and it works out just fine, in both cases.

of course we have to establish lines, or pedophiles would wreek havock on our kids.but im talking about personal lines.it doesnt matter if i like, or dislike what you do in your life.if it doesnt directly impact me, i have absolutely no right, in a free society to draw a line for you, just as you cant draw one for me.

were adam and eve living as dogs, when satan offered them an apple treat, i think so.we are all living as the animals we are.slaves to the same physiological mortality.same instincts to reproduce, kill what we fear.call it emotion,hormones,or instincts, its all our natural biological means of negotiating our existance.
the dog doesnt come out of the plane wreck wanting to play, he comes out shaking.i assure of this, as i rescue dogs.while i dont know what horrors they may have experienced, i soon find out as they wear those emotional scars for the rest of thier lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWc4zEFn3Q0
if you think animals have no idea of mortality, i really feel bad for you, and hope you watch this video.i feel like while you are the religious one in this discussion, you are living in the dark comparatively.some major pieces of compasion that exist naturaly in the world, you are being sheltered from.

You're funny. Yes respect is earned, but so is trust and so is a paycheck. Faith is the basis of my religion. Christianity of the modern world does not preach harm to anyone. Your trips back in time amuse me. If we related everything in today’s world to something thousands of years ago we would be acting similar to the actions between the Palestine and Israelites’. It's not supportive of any argument of today's world.

Where does your education come from? Did all of it come with no help from others? What about adults during your youth? What about friends? Too bad out news media is such a mess with programs moving through an agenda and not necessarily the unbiased news.

Error on your part: Sharia law is currently trying to be placed on voting ballots in some states.

As far as the kid, what does the cloth do? Are you saying that the cloth protected the child? Is so, can you prove it to me by allowing me to run over your arm with a truck? AND I SUPPOSE ALL OF THE BEHEDINGS, were media tricks. Hmmmm.

It seems like Christianity has evolved buy the Muslim religion has remained in the dark ages.

The line was drawn for Adam and Eve. They simply failed by crossing the line.

And please do not confuse instinct with the ability to think. Some animals have indeed shown some small ability to actually think. But this is limited at best.

I am truly a dog lover, and yes, a dog might come out of a plane wreck shaking, but he has no concept of what has just happened. No conception of flying and in most cases quickly recovers. A quote from one of the best dog trainers in the world, Caesar Milan, "Dogs live in the moment".

As a mature adult who has seen the worst in humanity throughout my life, I can assure you that I am not, nor ever was sheltered from anything. You; however seem to be lacking in real life situations as shown quite often by your writings.

You have not yet convinced me to trust ANY MUSLIM.

P.S. Good job! You actually got to the 5th paragraph before throwing in a vulger word.

i stand corrected, as i reflected on it and trust is earned.but the thing is, that religion (your in particular) calls for the benefit of the doubt to be given in this regard.not in respect, or really in anything else, but trust in humanity is the basis is it not?
it isnt love thy nieghbor, with the fine print reading "if you trust them" right?
we are commanded to shelter travelers, not just the ones we trust, but the ones in need.

dipping into history is important, as our value systems are based on it are they not.speaking of wich it seems im talking on a philisophical level, and you are beholden to black and white.not accusing, just assessing.if jesus's schtick 2000 years ago dictates the identity you have for yourself, then the past is integral.

my education (wierd question btw) comes from the same place most come from, public school system, and tri-weekly religious indoctrination.i have always had an interest in christianity, as it fascinates me, but about three years ago i began the revisiting of judaism wich came along with islam as an unavoidable piece in contemperary events.most of my friends are either jewish and care not to discuss such matters, or christian, and also dont care to discuss it.
i had an odd mix of adult influences in cultivating my mind, wich explains my eclectic views based on pluralist views.or makes me crazy, depending on the brand that suites.

for what its worth, i have always sought journalism over political gimmickery, and actualy enjoy deconstructing the psychological effect of media, always on the look for propaganda.maybe its a knee jerk reaction from inadiquacy issues, as i value intillect highly.(tmi right, but you ask) or maybe it is my love for the inner workings of professional wrestling that has addicted me to reading between the lines when watching anything.no joke, if you want to see what our culture is about, no representation shows where our psychology is than prowrestling, as understanding that is thier bread and butter.i mean it isnt like the army guy, fighting the russian guy gets ratings anymore right?

also on ballots, in my state in particular is a proposition to stop people from voting.no joke, an amendment to our state constitution stating we cant vote on issues.it tickels me that we are voting on wether or not we want the right to vote.its almost too stupid to comprehend.sharia isnt coming anytime soon, i assure you.
as a jew who lives in a country where being home before sundown on friday, isnt a religious right bestowed upon a people who are pretty well liked, i can assure you islam which isnt as endeading wont be instituting any self serving laws anytime soon.you cant pray in school,abortion is legal,i dont automaticaly get off of work for roshashana or yom kippur, and sharia isnt even close to happening.hindus have a better chance of getting thier bazillion holidays on the calenders than islam.

i wasnt speaking to the old school implimentation of punishment, just that video.yes the cloth protects the kids arm and provides give, just like some times the guys on the bed of nails does the same thing, as well as those guys who have cars run them over at toughman contests.its a gimmick, and i feel bad that you fell for it too.
i did once upon a time, but through my forementioned hobby of deconstructing propaganda, and getting the tip off by multiple sources i learned i was wrong.my instintual response to arabs is not appropriate, as this case serves to prove.i wanted them to be wrong so badly, it caused an error in my judgement in favor of serving an emotional need.you are willing to fight to make real (im betting) that wich for me was a wrong worthy of shame.the shame of having to live knowing no matter how many times i say im not, in reality i am subject to racist deductions.

yes christianity did evolve, and lucky you.lucky christianity that unlike judaism and islam, have had already built empires by wich to spread.lucky for christianity the native americans were weak to flu.lucky for christians a new world existed for them to try out (unemcumbered) new ways of practicing an old tradition.lucky christianity for having circumstances serve them well for almost two hundred years, fostering the enlightenmnet it took the jews over 3000 years to even begin to understand.islam is 1500 years old, and has existed entirely with a backdrop of war (with christian crusaders), and didnt have the support of a stable empire (ottoman) to hold them up.islam is a mirror image od what christianity was at the same age of philosophical developement.thier jihad is your crusades.im sure jews did some super wicked fucked up shit at 1500 years old too.

a friends dog went out to piss, and an hawk swooped down and picked him up, as if he were a rat (chiuahah).once realizing it was a dog, the hawk dropped him.to this day that dog crawls on his belly anytime going outside in fear of that one event.not reacting soley on emotionand refusing to go outside due to fear, but remembering what happened, and thinking what he should do defensively.

no i have seen more than my fair share of stuff that i shouldnt have.from theync.com stuff, to front row views.i have the panic attacks to prove it.dont think cuz i havent shut down elements of my compasion and empathy as a result, is me being sheltered.just as you should look into what you are holding onto, that emotionaly stiffles you to such a degree you are willing to damn a billion people you have never met, and probably never will.

i will never convince you to trust any muslim, as that is not something that one person can actualy do to another.the best i can hope for would be to help you have faith in them, and even that i wouldnt try to do, as i think that would be overstepping a personal bound i have no right to.
all i can do is offer reasons to not distrust them, as it really should be obvious, you dont know them.prejudicial thought is an unwise venture, wether the prejudgement is favorable or detrimental.it is guiding one self by assumption rather than fact, just an error in thought.

think what you think, and conclude what ever you conclude, but here are some points that you must be unaware of/overlooking.

1.7 billion muslims live in the world, and less than 20 percent of them are arab.
less than one percent engage in radicalism, wich gives islam a better peace rate than jews and christians combined, being 99%.

more muslims exist in america than jews, and as a result nothing has happened.no beheading of jews,or attacks on christians.can this not also represent islam?

islam in arabic literaly means peace.they are of the same tradition of you and i.shit they accept jesus as a prophet, wich jews do not.islam in this regard is more tolerant of you than jews are.

mostly, if islam was the religion of hate as some are claiming, why now? why not the other 1400 years.why in ww2 were they not blowing themselves up to kill jews or christians if it is thier religion to do so? why has the nation of islam, wich is comprised of blacks not gone on jihad, if jihad is the standard operating proceedre when a people are under threat? especiall being that african americans were under a closer threat by us, then arabs are?

how can islam exis,t viewing the world as the regions they inhabit, if they are all about hate.wouldnt any religion based on murder and hate destroy itself, as that would be its core value? wouldnt any idealogy based destruction, inevitably through following its order, destroy itself.much like the nazis did?

they read the same stories, from the same god.how do you imagine that the same overwhelming message of peace and love being the way of the rightious, alludes them?i mean its pretty overt no?

i realy thought you would have figured out i dont differentiate, there fore care about what others consider vulgar.i yam what i yam, take it or leave it.i dont give a shit, nor will i alter who and what i am to appease others.

Nice letter. I want to give you credit. Now a little more good discussion.

We are expected to give shelter to travelers who find themselves out in the elements. I certainly would. However, I would use my people skills skills to analyze the situation. Does that mean that I don't trust them? Yes. Does that mean they are bad people? I don't know. So, I would let them in, feed them, talk with them and help them on their way the next morning. I also would have kept a cautious eye on them the entire time they were sheltered at my home.

Your paragraph regarding journalism over media gimmickry was interesting. I too am always on the lookout for propaganda. I have had my fill of it especially during the Soviet Union days. I think it is smart to continue to do so. I have never watched what is called professional wrestling and never will. The inner workings are business at its worst and I can't believe it draws a crowd. I guess its entertainment but it would be a nonreality show.

With the help of George Soros and the ACLU, I am not yet willing to believe Islam’s laws are anything but around the corner.

Like I stated, I never want to believe ANYTHING I see on the internet. So I believe you that the issue with the 8 year old was some sort of trickery. It is not racism to feel the way I do. Example: I think I have always said that I don’t hate anyone. I did say that I did not trust. The black culture in America of gang violence is a complete throw away of a generation of young men. Am I racist for saying that? My deduction is a result of living and watching and learning. Completely acquired through facts. A study of the situation will send you back to the 1930's. Since that point, the biggest enemy to black America is drug dealing.

You make good points with your paragraph about Christianity in America. I have no issue with anything you stated. (The F bomb could have been avoided) If we were on the street talking to each other, out of earshot to anyone, I would be lying if I told you I am certain I would use strong and ignorant language. Not saying that I am proud of myself, but sadly it is my street talk. I am trying to get better at not swearing. The difference is that when you write, others are going to read it. It is for your own benefit that like me, try to avoid any vulgarity. As I first stated, you did pen a nice response.

As far as the dog, yeah that is extreme and very sad. At least the dog was saved an even more disturbing death.

Panic attacks - I used to get upwards of 8 per day during my 30's. I have died at least 1000 deaths. All better now though with the help of medication.

You are wrong though in one very important area!!!! You state "I will never convince you to trust any Muslim". Wrong. You are well on your way. By coming forward and discussing how you feel about extremists you are planting the seed of knowledge. This is what I feel is the most important thing the Muslim community can do to help their cause. Do you believe they have done so? I don't. It is up to THEM, not you and me. I will continue to hope but I will stay on guard.

of course we deduce before we invite others into our homes.but that is the point of it being taught as the right thing to do, as our nature doesnt states the opposite.it is one amongst a myriad of human flaws to deny safe haven to others, out of concern for ourselves first.the act is important, but so is the reasoning.wich states our instinct to distrust as a default, is an error.otherwise why command we go against our most basic notions of self preservation.
distrust as a default is wrong.
if you are jewish, it is just selfish.
if you are evangelical, it is behaiving in a manor that supports the devils desires.
regardless, stringent personal standards for one to meet, in order to fascilitate trust, is just wrong and not in line with true religious values.that doesnt mean a weary traveler with a swatztika tattood on his forehead whould be invited in, but just by the virtue of being part of another religion, no less an abrahamic one, is hardly a basis to not extend trust.i dot know where the line is as im not a theologin, but i know being muslim alone is not even close to the line of appropriate reasoning.

no one shares my pro-wrestling theory, you are not alone.but the truth is undeniable, as they must appeal to the mass's in order to derive money from them.being as it isnt legitimate athletic competition, the means of generating interest/money are completely psychological.in attempting to appeal to the broadest market possible, they end up being a mirror of us, as a culture.not in action, as obviously we are talking/typing and not resloving conflict with chair shots to the head, but in narrative content.biggest bad guy in the 80's, was the ayatollah loyalist iron shiek, complete with arab head covering, camel logos on his attire, and curled up boots like aladin.just saying despite its absurd simplicity, its depiction of who we are is on point.a capitalist cultural value system, more representative than any poll.

point of basic logic in regards to sharia law:
if the american public, comprised of 70 percent christian cant meld church and state, how is it even reasonable that sharia could do it? i mean christianity is engrained in our national value system and still ya cant express it in the public sector.how would a far less attractive idealogy do what christianity could not, in a christian society no less? whom ever is telling you things to lead you to believe sharia is just arond the corner, is manipulating your religious beliefs to thier political ends.sound familiar? ahem islam and jihadism?

it is racist, even if not intentionaly so, or with ill will.the depiction of black culture in itself is racist as if to imply they have a different culture than the rest of us, thus a legit call to divide based on color.like all polish,english,irish,and itlain americans are of one culture somehow, but blacks are not.we are all americans first, not our ethnic heritage, even if we try to be otherwise.not to mention the description of black culture to be synonmous with gangs, despite our president, and the vast majority of blacks not fitting into that catagory.it is a means of demonization, intentionaly or not.that is what the effect of it is.personaly skin color, and religion have far less to do with it than poverty does.poverty is the thread amongst gang culture.a reversion to tribal barbarism as a means to survive, wich we all can be brought to.drugs are exploitation of the addicted, but not the cause of anything.deregulate the beverage industry, and coke will be pulling off drive by's on pepsi trucks.

i guess its just a philosophical difference, in that i see the proliferation of what you call vulgarity to be progress.the less time we concern ourselves with shit that doesnt matter, the more energy we can focus on stuff that actualy matters.just as spending millions of dollars to put greatfull dead fans behind bars for life, for recreational drug use is counter productive as that effort would be better served if focused on education, or law enforcement against actual social threats.the proliferation of swear words removes another element of puritanical bullshit we inherited from our cultural ancestors that are a waste of time.just as we now can look back in mocking humor at our ancestors fear of the devils third (a series of msical notes forbiden to be played together for fear it would summon the devil) we can hopefully mock ourselves for finding arbitrary adjectives as silly waste of time.

by the fact that 1.7 billion arent storming the gates, just a small slight minority, stands as daily proof that islam has no quams with us.i stand vigilant against hatred where ever i see it, hence our conversation.as i am not talking to you as a troll to beat on christianity, or executing a personal attack against you, but countering hate speech towards others.i dont care if the hate is born of jihadi speak, or chriatian fundamentalism, or zionist propaganda.it all has the same effect in that it makes the world a warse place, not better.i believe in takun olam, and that i have a responsabiltiy to do the best i can with the limited abilities i have, in the attempt of making tomorrow better than today.not just for me, but for all of us.if not better, at least counter that wich would make it worse.hate gays, hate muslims, hate jews, hate blacks, hate any people and in gunna jump on it.that is what our whole exchange has been about for me.love islam, hate it, or be indifferent.i dont really care as you have the right to feel what ever you like.but when you put into the public sphere, i have a responsability to not be guilty by passive acceptance.

its the old priest quote.
when they came for the jews i did nothing,when they came for the gyspsies i did nothing, and now that they have come for me, no one does anything.paraphrasing, but you know it.

Deduce? A pattern of thought which includes caution. Caution is a result of life experiences. So.......Not at all selfish, only intelligent thought. If you rejected someone in need, then selfish could apply.

Wrestling is a mirror to one segment of our society. (Sad) Either way, I am not interested. As is "Jay Walking" on the Jay Leno show. (Very sad)

One HUGE flaw of the American system is that we have leaped over the line of common sense. Sharia law, lawsuits, over reaction, poor decisions, self distruction are all examples of turbo jumping over the line of common sense. Being political correct was the beginning of this mess. Initally, it seemed to be an effort in kindness or equality. But today, it has taken on a whole new meaning. Grabbing onto the coat tails? Sound familiar? PC has become a shield for those who whis to destroy the American culture.

Facts are not racist. They are what they are. We can divide the black culture into three distince groups. Those who try, those who want to be a victim and those who scam. This is not only ture of the black culture, but exists in EVERY culture. Heere is the exception:

Anyone else will reject those of the same race who do not try. Mexicans and skin heads are included in the gang concept. I happen to think, through my journeys, that the overwehlming majority of Mexicans are hard working, good people. Like anyone else, only they can convince the American public that they reject the Maxican gangs. The skin heads already know that America rejects them. That is why they operate in seclusion. No question about it. That is what needs to be done. A white person can be counted on to report any skin head activity to the authorties immediately.

Vulgarity is not a police issue, I am simply guiding you for your benefit. I truely hope that you learn this.

Like I ststed last message, I commend you for taking a stand. Now, encourage others to do the same.

selfish in its nature, as deduction of that sort serves to evaluate a situation/person in terms of how they effect you, not empatheticaly as a perspective of what is happening to others.placing concerns for one self above concern for others, when possibly concern for others is more important.one could state that the deducitve logic employed by plague ridden europians was inteligent thought.but did exiling the jews as its conclusion actualy prove to be inteligent, or selfish?

destroy amrican culture, or progress it in the tradition of our founders.dont get me wrong, while obviously im not a conservative, i recognize the need for conservative thought in our national concioussness, as liberal ideas without any restrictions would be the act of paving the road to hell with good intentions.but what you are forgeting is that americans, dont want to destroy american culture, but better it.the same fear that progress would destroy american culture has proven itself false for centuries.
the allowance of woman to wear skirts that show ankles didnt unravel our social order, despite the puritans thinking it would.
the freeing of slaves didnt result in an immediate violent reprisal by them for all the years of bondage, despite that being a legitimate fear debated by our elected epresentatives.
the removal of a theocratic christian social order didnt spell the end of christianity as it was feared.
intermarrage hasnt ended the existance of white america.

remember when those who are telling you how the left wants to destroy american culture, as yourself how that can be when they arent going outside of the buonds of the constitution.it may be a drastic change in our social order they are pushing for, wich very conservative people will react poorly to.i mean that is what being conservative means no?but all progressive agendas, that exists within the perameters of the constitution arent destroying american culture, but fullfilling its potential.the potential stiffled by slavery.stiffled by keeping woman out of the work force.stiffled by fearing gays and muslims.

you think your stats are facts, but they are not.that is racist.im not saying it to point a finger at you, as i think we are all racist to varying degrees, but ya gotta notice it if you endevour to actualy not be.especialy in your thought process.no human beings fit into one,two,or three ctagories.they exist as all people exist, in infinite shades of everything.
ill just say there are two kinds of people in the world:
1-people who think thier are only two kinds of people in the world.
2-and the rest of us.

one thing i noticed is that you are willing to sucumb to the arrogance all of us have as a human flaw.what you personaly,first hand experience in relation to races/religion/what ever are how you percieve the whole.it is an extrodinarily limited view.wich you are entitled to, but isnt factual.

i will not learn to adhere to the absurd.
the world isnt any better or worse off as a result, and so fuck it.
just as you cannot be broken of your core values, i will curse like a sailor.if a prejudicial mind cares not to evaluate my contributions based on that, its thier problem.just as it would be if i were discounted for being jewish,or black,or chinese,or what ever.the content is no more or less valid as a result of vulgar tones or inflections.

My definition of extreme liberal philosophy is, as you stated, "placing concerns for one self above concerns for others. I am a conservative, in case you had any doubt. The journey of life has guided me to this position. I think it is safe to say that young = liberal and old = conservative. Not always the case, as nothing ever is.

Your statement recognizing the need for conservative thought was very well put. I recognize the need for liberal thought for the same reasons. Your examples were accurate.

I am not worried about progressive agendas that stay within the boundaries of the constitution destroying the American culture. I do fear the attempts by some to form a socialistic society. How many times does this need to be proved a disaster. The result is always the same. Every citizen will live at the poverty level while government will have more than excess.

My views can be nothing more than the sum of my life experiences. Yes, that would mean that they can be limited, but remain factual to some degree.

civilization is a socialist venture in itself.the foundation of civilization is the acknowledgement that we are dependant upon one another as a defacto state.otherwise we would still be living as tribal hordes, not villages,towns,provinces, and nations.
no man is an island, isnt just bumper sticker wisdom, it is revelation truth.
socialism only proves itself a failure depending on the examples you look at, and also if you forget to acknowledge no society exists forever.apply the same yard stick to democracies or what ever social order you find preferable, and you will find it has the same failure rate.

hey shouldnt you be at church?
speaking of wich, of course you are conservative, but what would jesus be? im not christian and obviously have no idea how jesus is percieved by you as so many perceptions exist.but dont christians endevour to follow his example?
i just find being conservative in contemperary social terms to be the exact opposite of what jesus taught, so i find it just so odd that christianity leans so much towards conservatism.

did jesus think health care for everyone was a bad idea? if his actions are any indication the answer would be no, as he sought out the ill in order to heal them.not ask others to do it, but he himself made the effort to do this.no questioning of wether or not it was deserved.just by being human beings he saw health as a basic right to be bestowed upon them.
would the man who chose self sacrifice over war advocate for guns?
how is it that jesus spread enough wisdom to fill an entire new religion's worth of material, and never bothered to condem gays, if homosexuality is so divinely wrong?

you guys have your religion intertwined with politics to such a degree, it seems to me (and i suppose many as well) that it has been corrupted.it makes no sense for mohamed to go through all the effort of preaching an entirely new faith (islam) if its intent was to destroy themselves.that is a simple endevour not requiring a religion, just a military action.just ask hitler, or pol pot, or any of the others who wipped the earth of various races.ever met a hittite? so the religion of peace has its foundation being co-opted by evil politicians who turn peace into focused war.
how is christianity any different if jesus's message is taking a back seat to guns and blind hatred?

Civilization is a socialist venture only based in the fact that we absolutely need each other to exist. The issue becomes confusing when we ask: Do we need everything from everyone in order to live? Considering the lazy, and those who would exploit this, makes a whole lot of sense to me. Who are we expected to help anyway? Answer: Those who want help.

Today, there is too many who choose to be dependant. Give me, save me, take care of me because I don't what to do what is required to accomplish this myself, thus condemning the socialist movement to failure. I did smile after reading your church comment. Shouldn’t you be at some sort of rally or something?

I believe Jesus would have wanted everyone to be included under health care if it applied. The difference would be that at the same time, he would have demanded responsibility. Anyone unwilling to act in a responsible manner would be left behind.
Acting irresponsible.........Hmmmm? But I guess it would matter exactly what your definition of is, is.

The issue blows up after seeing how the preaching of Islam, or any religion, is interpreted by its followers. This brings me right back to the trunk of the tree. If those who wish to misrepresent are not called on to change, one can only expect the same. Only the mentally challenged would perform the same action and expect a different result.
One of the serious issues throughout the world continues to be corrupt politicians. Those in position of responsibility cannot always be counted on to act responsible. I believe that any good leader must be a righteous person first.

Homosexuality may or may not be stated divinely wrong by the son of God (I will need to do a little research) but it is most certainly unnatural.

i commit unto myself only.no political group or philosophical order do i participate in.no rally for me.
bigger point being is that if nothing else jesus was all about tread lightly with love.
hate the sin, love the sinner.
two men fucking isnt a call for anyone to comment or issue acceptance or condemnation.
to do so is to actively sew seeds of hatred.
hence jesus not condeming jews, despite them following that wich he found wrong.

Well now, it seems that we have gone full circle. I must admit, I enjoyed the give and take. I wish you well, but anything past this point would only be a waste of time. I'm certain we will meet again over another issue. And just maybe..........

Veeger

Response- I too feel sorry for gays. You must come from a wealthy family to travel to Uganda. The minority of gays are born that way. We are Gods children. If we continue on the current path here in the USA, yes we are all doomed.
Let me make this very clear - Although I totally disagree with the gay lifestyle I feel for the majority it is a learned behavior, I would not ever support any physical punnishment let alone death. So the situation in Uganda I cannot support. If you remove the physical punnishment, then I agree.

the minority of gays are born that way

and that doesnt seem insulting to you.to imply the majority of gays are the result of a learned trait?
flip the script, and imagine if your desire for heterosexual sex was deemed a corruption, not your natural state.you are implying that homosexuals are not to be granted the basic autonomous freedom all human beings should be availed of.you are catagorizing them as people who are just wrong.like they need to be fixed.

even as you look at me as representative of what is wrong, i at least have the decency to respect all human beings rights to how they feel, not to tell you christianity is wrong.but you think you are the descent one, while demonizing people who will do you no harm.amazing.

how would it seem if you were to be told, christianity was a perversion, that needs to be fixed.if society held that belief would it not result in you being persecuted, as your existance is wrong?

Very well said. I hope that you have some affect as I hope that I have. We love the sinner as God wishes, but do not condone the sin.

I'm glad that ya'll actually follow your own religions laws instead of perverting them like this guy, even if I don't share your religious viewpoint or how you feel about rehabilitating gays.

Thank you! You have shown that we can disagree and debate in a civil manner. If more people weren't so quick to judge and infringe upon personal rights, I think our country and society would be in better shape.

actualy sinfull people (wich is all of us, as none are free from sin right? original sin) dont hate christ.in fact what allows us to be sinfull is ignoring christ and his followers.we could really give two shits about christ,you, and what you do.

what thier really should be is christian rehabilitation centers.not for the loving christians who spend each day being a blessing upon those they encounter.but those such as yourself who are so addicted to your faith, it supercedes actual compasion.just like cult deprogramers, we need dechristianaters, so people who feel it is appropriate to dictate the lives of others, can be fixed.
ya know, so we can enjoy peace on earth, not stoke fear and hatred of others.

wwjd

at the risk of commiting a pc error im gunna say no, as the whole red suspender combat boot look is not fabulous

Excuse me, but we're not all that way. You and I both have a First Amendment right to our viewpoints, but an anti christian bill? The real problem is, government gets into bed with these special interest groups, like the religious right, or big business lobbying groups, which is why things are not getting done in DC, or at least the important things anyways.

i think it was artistic inversion to show how rediculous the hate speech on the right is.as if it were reversed you could see it

On current TV. if you have it on your cable package... or dish.... and I think hulu.com has all episodes ready to stream right to your computer.

Sick is sick, period

hello? Spell check?

would you please learn how to spell!!!!!

I've read your statement several times and I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to say. You seem like someone who wishes to show kindness to everyone. If this is the case, you are to be commended.
Do not take this as anything buy CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. If you want people to take you seriously and listen to what you have to say, take the time and improve your writing and spelling. Commit yoursef to self improvement and reap the advantages. I will be wishing you the best.

Explain your position to Muslems from Saudi Araibia. After yor're dead, then we can continue this conversation. You are so lucky that you live is the USA. No true Christian wishes any type of harm to anyone. That does not mean that we agree with your position.

yet still christianity, as a collective demonizes the gays.matthew sheppard was killed not by christians? not by kids raised in christianity?

Religious fanatics in this country do not hate this country. They are not instructed by the Bible to lie intentionally. I can never...let me repeat that, never trust any Muslim knowing what I know about their religion.
They hate Americans, and are therefor my enemy. I will continue to fight their attempt to practice their religion. It is the only religion that hates the USA.

See again you open your mouth without having any real knowledge of what your talking about. You know nothing of the Muslim faith otherwise you wouldn't have said such a ignorant thing that is untrue about their religion. I have read the Quran. You probably do not know any Muslim and I do. What you are trying to speak of are fundamenalist or a fanatic faction of their religion. So, again I say EDUCATE YOUR SELF AND STOP REGURGITATING OTHER HARD CORE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE OPINONS. Stop watching Fox News Channel.

Big kudos.....You can't reach him. He is ignorant and will die ignorant. He is also not too intelligent.

the latin homophobus trollus.

"It is the only religion that hates the USA."

Wow ... must have been a huge survey to reach this conclusion ... you seems to judge people really easily, pouring them all in the same bag.

Not every muslims are US haters. Not every gay are child rapists. Not every american are over weighted christ praisers. And french wash tehemselves everyday and don't wear funny hats.

And by the way ... there are many people who hates the US, regardless to their religion, and that'll make a lot of people to consider as your ennemies if you don't start to consider peoples as individuals instead of communities.

It is not fanatism ! It is faith ! It is faith because we pray the right god (and because we do not eat children NOR poo poo) !

It is not faith when you are preaching death and jail for people who are not hurting anyone else. Gays do not eat children or eat poo poo.

Show me when any Muslim acts like an individual in a public forum where everyone is witness to their condemnation of radical Islam. You can't. Therefore, I will never completely trust any Muslim, period.

NO TO THE MOSQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn I was so sure about this ...

But muslims do eat children no ?

if islam if 1400 years old, wich is not in debate, and hatred of the united states comes from islam,then islam knew how to see the future with greater clarity and accuracy than any other faith.i mean they new that in a thousand years a nation called the united states of america would be founded and then later would be the enemy of islam.
out of curiosity if we were always the enemy of islam how ome so many came here to live in peace with us, as well as converting us as opposed to killing us.
does that mean kareem abdul jabar sees america as the enemy?

if you huys keep it up im gunna convert cuz damn if there is a religion that is capable of providing information 1400 yrs in advance, that seems more god like that the torah or the new testament.

ya know you are what the assholes on thier side validate thier behavior off of.
part of the problem or part of the solution here?
im against the mosk too by the way

if so i didnt get the memo, i thought jews were the only ones tagged with that one.
if they take horns ill be pissed cuz thats my favorite one

Have you genuinely EVER studied or learned about anything that the Qu'ran teaches? Islam is a religion of peace and ethics that, just like any religion, can be taken into the wrong hands and twisted to meet a specific agenda.

Internationally, Islamic leaders denounce ALL acts of terrorism and label those who perpetrate those actions as anti-Islamic.

It's people like you, Veeger, who preach hate and disdain at the simple request that a mosque be built two blocks from ground zero in New York. YOU are what is wrong in the world, not the religion of Islam.

Muslems can disguise what they believe in all they want and I will never believe them. It is their own fault. They failed from the beginning to condem the 911 attacks as any truely good person would have done. Why? That was answered over the next few years as we studied more about theri beliefs.
I'll bet you are one of those who think our own government was behind the 911 attack,

You are one of the many that the Muslim nation is counting on. With age comes wisdom. Be patient, you will soon learn the truth.