Ugandans rally in support of anti-gay legislation

LMAO, they would probably call me a witch.

True, but lets be honest this is, for lack of a better word, a backwards country so how long do you reckon before they start killing those people. The African nations don't have the best recent track record for common sense and decency. I mean look at the fact that some of them are killing albinos because they believe them to be magical.

woah there. I agree it's a terrible law, but you're painting an entire continent with some pretty broad brushstrokes there eh?

hahah yeah. sounds cynical but there it is. we have our own problems to solve. let's get just ONE of OUR multinational corporations out of the african continent and then we can worry about whether they like dudes fucking each other or not and does that line up with our liberal values because if not, watch out world! we're here to show you what the fuck is up!!!

tell that to the bible thumpers pushing jesus and hate

Self admittedly I am using a wide brush stroke. However, when you look at the genocidal track record of some of the African nations in the last 30 years the choice appear to be justified.

what kind of cancer? do you mean gay people or the people who don't like gay people? which one needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth? or wait did you just mean ugandans? that doesn't seem very p.c.

Napoleonblownapart, I am calling fanatical religious beliefs that seek to demonize and kill gay people. They are the cancer that need eradicating.

Under this super foolproof plan you would be opposed of someone caring enough to protect you in a situation of similar circumstances. Let's pretend that the majority of people in your habitat have had enough of your silly ways. They decide to make it legal to kill you because you are gay or straight or black or Spanish speaking or impotent or a friend of John Mayer... whatever, you get the point. I would hope that people from around the globe would raise hell. I know I would be on your side. Maybe you wouldn't want me to, but I would definitely be opposed to you being put to death even for continuous flawed logic in arguments you have with members of current.

Goats are available in herds, people are not

you go first, we'll be right behind you. when you get there absolutely DO NOT find a computer with the internet because they'll kill you for use of magic

Your trying to rewrite history, there was no one trying to save anyone. It was about intolerance of religious beliefs, greed, and vengeance.

The only thing that has come full circle is that religion is again working to lay waste to the entire human race. Oh wait they never stopped doing that did they? The only thing that comes full circle is there ability to hide the fact that they like raping children!

Religion controls people by propagating fear. If people are afraid of something you will find a priest nearby, almost like a lawyer chasing ambulances. If they don't have somthing that can provoke enough fear they will make it up.

If you look at history religon is behind most mass killings. Hitler in a speach in 1938 said
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."

In 1941 he told one of his generals "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,".

So voted up !

No thanks im not a big fan of proselytizing. Proabably because i try to use reason and logic to get people to change their minds and not hookem pokem magic tricks and false "truths" about a magical place in the sky where all your relatives are waiting for you and its super awesome forever...

Kinda makes people forget about how shitty their lives are here in the real world. Need something to keep those sheep grazing and paying vestments to the church. Baaaah

joke time!
I use reason and logic for shaping sine waves

:s

Yes and they created an imaginary threat to sell it.

educated, thoughtful comment

You are correct. President Museveni is a member of the Family, the American Christo-Fascists.

Jeff Sharlet: He appears to be a core member of The Family. He works, he organizes their Ugandan National Prayer Breakfast and oversees a African sort of student leadership program designed to create future leaders for Africa, into which The Family has poured millions of dollars working through a very convoluted chain of linkages passing the money over to Uganda

What about a gay Ugandan's right to live the way they see fit?

Members of "the family" went over there and promoted this to them . This "christian " hate group is inciting violence and extreme political instability , for their own ends . If this passes , it will be a witch hunt . Just how do you prove you are not gay ? If someone wants your land or wants you out of politics ? Uganda will become like Somalia . Lawless , and murdering it's own children .

You are judging the will of the people of Uganda by a staged government demonstration. Are you that easily fooled?

So by your logic, if someone on this site didn't like you, they can live there life as they see fit to hunt you down, correct?

When you twist the facts you will find it's very easy for the other side to twist them back at you.

Your whole argument is moot since we shouldnt be using religion to create laws in the first place.

"One can say that homosexuality is a sin."

And one can say homosexuality is not a sin.
But one cannot say that homosexuals are not protected in America by the US Constitution, which supersedes the bible, in case you haven't noticed. In America, the courts decide, not god.
Guess that makes America a secular country, yes?

As for Uganda:

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

To whit:

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom...

Um... You missed my point entirely.

I stated that "One can say that homosexuality is a sin" for the purposes of pointing out that, when someone says that, it is nothing more than a statement. Right or wrong, all it is, is a statement. As such, it is protected by free speech.

It is the actions that are taken because of the statement that should be looked at. There is a difference between saying it is a sin and actually killing someone for it.

My point was directed at those that chose to blame the words of religion for the conscience decisions of an individual. In this case, killing people because of their sexuality.

My second point was consistency. If we view something as a human rights violation in one country, we should view it the same way in all countries so that our policies do not smell of hypocrisy.

I never implied we should. See my response to the statement above for clarification.

We don't have to blame them. Many of the mass killings in this world are proclaimed by the perpetrators of the atrocity as something there god wanted them to do.

If we extend your logic then we would not be able to blame people like Osama Bin Laden.

If Hitler never actually killed a Jewish person himself would you give Hitler a pass on WWII as well?

No, actually, if you look at the point I made, you would see that is not where my chain of reasoning goes.

"give Hitler a pass"
"not able to blame people like Osama Bin Laden"

Really? That's what you got from me saying that it is one thing to say something is wrong and entirely different to say it is wrong and kill those that do it?

News flash: Hitler and Osama didn't just say what some people did was wrong. They both plotted, organized, and took leadership roles in the killing of as many of those people as they could.

One can say anything is wrong. That's just an opinion.

The difference comes in when one either kills someone else for doing it or instructs someone else to kill those that do it.

Hitler and Osama didn't put their opinions up for debate. Their opinions were orders.

Nothing significant happens in this world without some billionaire bankers giving it their stamp of approval. Nothing ever happens without them knowing about it first.

Yeah its so silly to condemn people for trying to be anti-gay. Oh wait...

Would you support someone if they were anti-jewish? Or maybe anti-women? It shouldnt ever be ok to run on an anti-anything platform.

I do understand your point that this happens in other places(then again the middle east isnt the most tolerant place in the world) but those laws have been in the books forever. This is a new movement fueled by American christian missionaries.

Post some links to scholarly papers which state explicitly that homosexuality was an accepted cultural practice in any nation on the continent of Africa.

Vellocet does have a point.

Several cultural anthropologist dating back to the early 1900's have documented homosexual behavior within tribes and it was apart of the culture not looked down upon...I am not exactly sure of any scholarly articles right now but in college I read a book called "Boy wives and Female husbands" which talks about the very thing Unimatrix0 said...Before christian missionairies and western teachings telling them it was wrong it was a part of everyday life...BTW homosexuality is looked down upon in Native American culture where as before they were infiltrated with christianity, homosexuals were held in high regard they were called 2souls for possessing the soul of a man and a woman

Simply because an indigenous culture espouses homosexuality does that mean that it's o.k.? Many of these cultures practice animism which is fine for cultures who traditionally practice animism, but how does that fit into a Westernized society?

Your post highlights "cultural" anthropology. Cultural anthropologists study culture and tradition. There are indigenous cultures which have a tradition to worship the wind and eagles, espouse child brides and head shrinking, does that mean if we have a band of head shrinking natives who have child brides it should be an allowable practice in modern American society? It won't be long before people who are Muslim request Sharia Law in the USA, should that be allowed to become ingrained in the fabric of the USA if it's their culture?

There's no denying that homosexuality is not a new phenomenon, but homosexuality is a behavior and not a culture, no more than heterosexuality is a culture. Behaviors can be amplified or eliminated. If a culture decides they don't want to condone homosexuality among their citizens who's to say that the culture is right or wrong? I believe it should be left up to that individual culture to define what their societal mores are, not an outside culture which doesn't share their world view.

The USA doesn't interfere with female circumcision in nations which practice it, why should the USA dictate what Uganda's social morality should be?

You are so full of BS. Being gay is a culture, being homosexual is a culture. You are born gay or homosexual, its not a behavior. You are completely ignorant about this issue.

you're just terrible

No homosexuality is a sexual preference and a behavior, not a culture. Heterosexuality is not a culture it's a sexual preference and a behavior. Gay & Lesbian are cultures not the sex act, that's a behavior.

Say what you want, but we do have a culture.

Being gay or straight is not a choice. You are born what you are. LGBTQA is culture.

The word "culture" is most commonly used in three basic senses:

* Excellence of taste in the fine arts and humanities, also known as high culture
* An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning
* The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group

These attributes perfectly describe the LGBTQA community.

I suggest http://www.openbible.info/topics/being_humble since your Christian

Umm this bill would literally sentence homosexuals to death and anyone who knows someone is a homosexual but dosen't report it to prison.

Thanks

I suppose we shouldn't have interfered when Hitler wanted to kill Jews, Homosexuals, and Gypsies.

Exactly randallr01, oppressive governments all love to hide behind the guise of state sovereignty to justify their human rights abuses. I'm from Cuba and pretty much any outside criticism is painted as "outside interference in the affairs of Cuba" and they throw up this whole fake masquerade of fake outrage.

Surely you studied WW2 history, the USA didn't explicitly go to war with Germany because of the Holocaust, in fact the extent of the exterminations weren't known until after the invasion. Hitler had many years to exterminate millions and the USA didn't get involved. The USA didn't get involved when Serbs and the Croats were killing each other off either, nor Darfur and the Janjaweed, nor Saddam exterminating the Kurds. Genocide has never been a reason for invasion of another nation, never has been, never will be. Don't forget homosexuality is a behavior not a nationality, ethnicity, nor religion. And all behavior can be modified by conditioning.

You are probably one of those sickos who wants to do electroshock therapy on gays to "straighten them out". How about castration? Or cutting off a woman's breasts because she is a lesbian? I could list dozens of tortures performed on Gays to "save them". Want me to go on?

uganda isn't the imperialist power imposing its morals on other sovereign nations in this article, the U.S. is (and has been)

BUT NAPOLEON, I SAID THE MAGIC WORD HITLER! DOESN'T THAT JUSTIFY ANYTHING I BELIEVE!??! HITLER HITLER YOU KNOW WHO ELSE DID THAT! HITLER! BUT DID WE HITLER WHEN HITLER WAS HITLER! HITLER

So there are no international standards on human rights? Is that your position? Apparently, the rest of the free world is in disagreement which is why we have the UN.

no sweetie, not racist, homophobic

We need a better term. How about homo-homicidal?

here here!

There's no arguing against that, UrbanGypsy. You're 100% right, no matter who disagrees.

As usual UrbanGypsy, well said.

You should pray on it. See what happens

Unfortunately, many of the people that support this in Uganda are people who consider themselves "moderates"...

That is why I say that there is no such thing as moderate Christians. Either you are Christian or you are secular (Even though secular does not necessarily mean atheist).

wait for it, the Christians will come running saying "that's not Christian" "They are not really Christian", and make all sorts of other excuses filled with non-sense and denial.

I wish you were wrong unimatrix0 . It does seem the more extreme religious believers can justify violence ( honor killings and this ) more easily .