Tutu: In Africa, Human Rights Moving "Backward"

What's that supposed to mean? Its simple, you are either for or against killing gays. Civilized or not, these are people who are being persecuted. If you are going to politicize it then I can only say that you are a cynic...

Even conservatives should be against this...

well..i am just trying to parallel this outcry with the same outcry centuries ago..when civilized europeans were outraged and shocked to see african almost naked and practicing something that well thier culture..(may it be politically correct or not)..white europeans called those africans as barbaric..

i find it funny that its happening again..but this time its not the christians anymore but ..hummmm

liberals and atheists.....dont worry Bono will fix this with a nice Live8 concert

you might be right!

You are correct, "Urban"! The autocratic 3rd and 4th World Nations hide behind a litany of "sovereignity", to justify their treatment of their citizens. I guess it also occurs in the G-7 Nations, also. However, it is not as blatantly obvious.

human suffering, yes maybe we are in suffering, but there are still customary laws and traditions that must be understood. homosexaulity is not part of this and we are very much against it.
hmmmmm...i dont know how i could explain it in terms that you might understand. it against our culture and our tradition.

hey everyone ease up on dersex for a second.
We have to take account that Africa was indoctrinated with religion during colonization and the effect is still visible in the culture of contemporary africa. On top of the progressive culture changes of the west happened because of technology ya know printing presses, radio, tvs. I hate to burst some bubbles but only some major cities in africa can communicate and spread new ideas, theories, and initiate social changes. So cut him some slack. I propose a modernizing of africa is the only way to speed things up, dubai is a slow example of the uneasy alliance of religion and modernization. Yes you can go to jail for say umm, holding hands with an unmarried woman, but trust me dubai will change, they can't lock up the ceos of western nations who pretty much run the damn place, in a plutocratic sort of way i figure. I'm not saying this to condone him, but you should always examine the root of the matter before going into action mode. No offense but I think that has a lot to do with american schooling (kids are taught to act, and not reflect on the problems).

Now Dersex for you,

Where in africa do you hail from? I did some time in french africa (Algeria - cameroon, cote d'ivoir), with the exception of congo for safety reasons. I was 13 at the time so I'm not the expert, but I was shocked that after all the efforts to remove the colonial influence, the natives took the european religion as their own. Why? Why even knowing now more and more europeans today are becoming atheist? They rejected their own religion they brought to africa, but unless you're muslim then thats a whole another story. I'm curious

Who's getting involved in your legislation? Is the US ambassador over there telling you what to do? Because if he is, I'll consider writing him/her and kindly ask him/her to mind their own business. But if you're trying to say we can't TALK about it, well I say "I can't hear you. la la la lala lala."

"we are not ready for homosexuals to be accepted" = we are intolerant bigots that are unwilling to change.

"...and cant stand the open acceptance that homosexuals receive. we don't believe in that and we aren't gonna start anytime soon no matter what" = we are stubborn bigots that prefer ignorance.

So back off your culture? Well that's funny, when we send food aid your way and AIDS medications, do you tell those pesky americans to back off then?

Just as I can't watch someone starve, I can't watch someone be killed or imprisoned for someone else's intolerance and ridiculous laws/beliefs.

"the west has and will always be unwilling to accept that we are not ready for homosexuality to be accepted"
one of the most ignorant, hateful and stupid sentances i've heard all week!

You are correct my friend. Homosexuality, if my experience, is generally ignored in Nigeria. It of course exists, but is not spoken of, nor made an issue. My cook is definetly a homosexual, if not a woman trapped in a man's body, and one of my close girl friends is a well known Port Harcourt lesbian. However, life goes on and we can all socialise and laugh at the differences in our personalities. I am opposed to laws making homosexuality illegal, as it could shortly lead to mob violence and murders.

The man with the deadliest toys gets to keep all the riches! War is civilization in it's purest form.

Extinction of a species is nature in it's purest form. War will lead to extinction. Why? Because it is against nature. The proliferation of war goes hand in hand with the proliferation of environmental destruction, to which nature will reply with global meltdown and other attrocites of a coming rapture.

You sir are an abomination to humanity.

Thank you.

People soon forget that we humans, are also a part of nature. We destroy one another and the Earth responds with greater famine, disease and lower birth rates and lower life expectancy. Who but humans should be most concerned about such changes?

Ugandans abuse the rights and go so far as attack homosexuals, then they are simply destroying the contribution of members of their society.

Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out... and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.... And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man" - with his mouth. ~Mark Twain

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

i like how you put that!

Mark Twain is outdated. thanks to scientists we know that this is not true anymore. chimpansese have been observed gathering in groups to go kill members of other chimp groups.

Yeah, I know many different animals engage in warfare, ants, chimps, meerkats and others. I was only quoting Mark Twain to express the spirit of the quote not the scientific validity of it.

This should not be a surprise. The wealth of the Earth belongs to Satan. The treasures of the spirit are stored in Heaven. Thus, it would appear that the Europeans made a bad deal.

If AIDS (not aides, people beat their aides, they aren't killed by them) was strictly a gay disease, it would still be called GRID (gay related immune deficiency) not auto-immune deficiency syndrome or something like that. Why don't you go ahead and admit what you're really thinking? That talking snake turned Eve into a real prude so Adam fucked a monkey, then his 2 sons and started the aids epidemic. Come on and say it: it's the devil's master plan to corrupt the human race, and Jesus wants them all to die or he would cure them with his immaculate self.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits and I hope your genitalia turns black and falls off/out. You're entitled to beliefs though, however retarded.
Talking snakes. Ha ha

Where is your "AIDS started in Africa" proof?

(1) "Aides" are assistants or helpers. AIDS is the disease you're referring to
(2) "The victims are mostly Christians right?"- Answer: No. You're referring to the recent attacks in Nigeria, a totally separate country. Africa is a Continent. Also, within that particular conflict, muslims were retaliating against far deadlier previous attack by Christians (not that it matters as both attacks were brutal, unjustified, and unfortunately based upon religion which is ridiculous.)
(3) WTF does Obama have anything to do with this?
(4) How on Earth is South Africa, once again A WHOLE DIFFERENT country under Nelson Mandela, Communism?? I love how you people (yes I said it! "you people", ie. ignorant teabaggers) have learned a few terms like "socialism" and "communism" and throw them around without any idea of their meaning, it really cracks me up.
(5) The human rights violations in Uganda and many parts of Africa are awful. Many muslims are violent. Many Christians are violent. Just so you know though, the first documented instance of people cutting of arms, etc with machetes in Africa was under the command of King Leopold of Belgium. He was exploiting Africans just as the "white devils" you mentioned did who made slaves and second class citizens of people in their own country during apartheid (look it up). You've mentioned nothing about Uganda here except for show your ignorance. Read a book, and listen to someone other than Glenn Beck please.

Thank you. The only thing I can say is you should ad "Nazi" to that list, with the commies and stuff.

You're a closet bigot.