Uganda Anti-Gay Bill Stalls In Committee

Agreed. Let people do what they want..............until they demand acceptance from those who disagree. That if the whole issue. Until the gay rights groups demanded same sex marriages, I couldn't care less. From that point on, I had to express the other point of view. No to same sex marriages.
Now, for prople like freecrack ( I often wonder how the name was chosen) I can expect to be accused of being an evil person. I have always stated that I am in total DISAGREEMENT with ANY harm being aimed at those who are gay. (Read the last sentence twice). I simply don't agree or condone the "lifestyle" period.

veeger you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say "Agreed. Let people do what they want." and yet you think we should ban gay marriage. How does gay marriage affect you when it is none of your business?

Just go back and read my earlier comments.

i think you are an evil person based on your inability to resist childish means of back handed insults.not that in itself that behavior is evil, but in combination with your general candor it seems you are shaping up to be fairly hatefull in your effort.and that is evil.

so let people do what they want, unless other people dont want them to.
ok
you cant be christian any more, we just decided.it causes too much nonsense.sorry.
no gay marraige, no more jesus.fair is fair.

No....I am just sick of the gay agenda being forced on society. My childish comments are always a way of trying to stop you from posting ignorant comments.

in no way shape or form is the gay agenda (wich is simply a request of tolerance) forced on anyone.if you feel it is being forced, that means you are intolerant.plain and simple.you dont have to endorse it, or even like it, but if you cant tolerate it, it is you who have the problem.

the thing is, not me or anyone else who has been slapping your hate speech around, compelled to randomly espouse pro gay rhetoric.it requires your bashing first in order to illicet the response.if you dont want to hear about homosexuality, all you and your fellow bible thumpers need to do is shut up about it.with out your attacks, no need exists to pose opposition.just like you never hear anything abou the brunette agenda, or green eyed agenda as no one is attacking them on that basis.just actualy do as jesus did, and not start selve serving conflicts, and peacefull existance is possible.but keep bashing gays, and pretend it has no role in any of this.

please, expose my ignorance.i dont know about what christianity teach's about this, but i know i wasnt raised to meet ignorance with childish responses.i was raised to show the ignorant the errors of thier ways, not compund it.i guess that is where we differ.if you care to step up to the plate, i will go as many rounds as you would like.

if you truly desire a stop to my "ignorant" comments, all you have to do is turn off your computer.that is it.i wasnt on here just randomly posting antichristian pro gay commentary for sport.it is a direct response to your comments.you can garuntee with out your bullshit, i have nothing to work with.it is completely in your hands.your call.

You epitomize the need to be a victim". Everyone is wrong and you are misunderstood. You are kind and anyone who disagrees with you is evil. We should feel sorry for you. I should follow your wishes or I am bad. Shame on me.

You epitomize the need to be a victim- says the one who cant handle the gay agenda being forced down thier throat.do me a favor and back your assessment up by finding the instance in wich i took it upon myself to attack christianity (the way you attack gays) with out provocation first.if anyone is crying victim it is you, as i am not gay so literaly cannot be the one victimzed in this thread.
everyone isnt wrong, just those who are intolerant of others.the bible i think regardless of wich version you read is pretty clear on that.

your rightiousness or malevolency has nothing to do with my opinions, or opinion of you.but cause and effect do.poke a bear with a stick, he will fuck you up.spread hate and reap its fruits.talk shit about others, and the defenders of them will talk shit right back.be silent isnt a demand or a wish of mine, but an offering to you.an offering of how you can avoid all the gay stuff you desire to not read.im just trying to help you.kind of like when ya tell smokers not to smoke cuz you know the outcome, stop hating on gays, and you wont have to hear it.

wether or not you are good or bad in my view is irrelevant, just as wether or not gays are good or bad in your eyes is irrelevent to them.its called living a free life.free from oppression, from you,me,or anyone else.if you are a freedom loving citizen of america, respect your fellow citizens.otherwise move to a theocratic nation that holds your views as law, not our secular free nation where no ones will supercedes anyone elses rights.

the choice is entirely yours.so dont play the victim card as you continue to stay in this country of tolerance.

First, I have to say "you turned the arguement around nicely". It seems that the many years of practice have paid off. You are kind to offer me your help, so let me try to offer you my help. First, if you want people to take you seriously, clean up your langiuage. You will immediately appear more intelligent.
Living free comes with a heavy price. It is not something anyone should take lightly. I would suggest that accountability and responsibility are two areas to consider. Finally, to be clear, I do not hate gays. I don't agree with the behavior. See the difference?

I am asking you to clarify, obviously your in earlier comments you contradict yourself.

"the gay agenda" aka civil rights

1-im not running for office, and could give a shit less if im taken seriously.i pose ideas to be evaluated on thier merits.that is all i care to rely upon, not snake oil salesmanship.if you think curse words and ignorance go hand in hand, your just building a stronger case for guilty of prejudice, by having predetermined requirements for evaluaitng ideas.im sorry you suffer from that.im married, i need not impress anyone anymore in anyway.

2-living free does come with a heavy price.the heviest of all in mortal terms.accountability and responsability are of paramount importance.like being accountable to the welfare of others.to conduct one self responsably as to not tread on others, or the framework of freedom collapses in favor of oppression.you should be accountable for the things you say, good and bad.if have nothing bad to say about monosexuals, you dont have to account for what those things produce, like tongue lashings in petty arguments.you should be responsable enough to not espuose things about other people, as they may have a negative result.you dont yell fire in a crowded theater, and you dont spread hatred of innocent people.

3-i dont care wether or not you hate or love gays.i really honest to god dont care how you feel in the slightest about anything.my dogs reactions to farts cause me greater concern than anything you feel, as i dont know you.you are an iconless random screen name on the internet, amongst millions.my interest in how you feel, is beyond any means of measurement, it exists at such a low level.
but when you type words that can be,are,and will be hurtfull to other human beings who have done absolutely nothing to deserve it, i will counter it.you pose arguments that validate hatred of others, and i just dont accept that.you use your right to free speech, and it will result in me using mine, just the same.i dont care if "gays have aids" comes from your account, or some one elses.im going to prove you worng, as "gays" are individual people who collectively have nothing more than desire for same sex sex.i dont like homosexuality either.i find it disgusting.as a result, i simply just dont have any.if you cant handle it like that, you have failed in your responsabilty to freedom, but respecting others enough to help secure thiers.if you say hatefull things, even with out hate in your heart you are accountable for it.dont say it, and you wont hear it.

im sure your church can feed your need to demonize the fags.im sure you even have a lil group of self rightious pals you can rightiously comisserate with about how wrong dick on dick action is.you can even send money, and vote for people to carry that refusal of acceptance of others to govern.

you pose it in the real world, the reall world responds.
me
juice
or whom ever else finds what you have to offer, the lowest calibur of verbal diharea.notice what you are putting out thier isnt shared by the caring element of our society like the hippies.but is embraced by the hatefull like the skinheads.despite all the other shit i have posted, you really should think abou tthe idealogical company you keep.

It is so strange how you manage to, at times, sound intelligent but then continue to write trash like a confused teen. Is it impossible for you to write without the vulgar language? Then again, that might just be the problem here. As you would have it, let the students run the schools. Adults or anyone else should just let the kids make there own choices. It's none of anyone elses business.

News flash! Evil does exist. The hippies in the late 60's saw life pretty much the same way you do. All we need is love!!! I lived through these times. As a small child, I was happy to see everyone preach peace and love. What a magnificant world it would be.

But even as a young child, I realized that this was an impossible task. Evil does exist. For this reason alone, you argument falls short. Everything in itself is suspect to both good and evil. Your naivety will blind you of life's simple fact. Blind acceptance of anything is dangerous. In this caase, is is both dangerous and damaging to society.

Civil rights coat tails would be accurate.

impossible to provide an explative free post, no.i am capable of such a feat, but care not to have my right to expression be hampered by others puritanical values.they are just words, comprised of letters just like any others.what ever combination you find bothersome is your burden to bear, im fine with all of them.no word in and of itself is a danger or offensive, unless you predecide so.
as a grown up, i have absolutely no effort to concern myself with words that are deemed "curses" as that is a regression in thinking.ill concern myself with civil liberties, geo political matters, and other matters that actualy have an effect on us.not what word scares people on any given day.

im not even going to entertain the idea of debating the existance of evil, with a zealot who liberaly defines a variety of concepts.like the "gay agenda".just like anything else that is faith based, it exists as much as you decide it does.if the preaching of peace and love make a magnificant world, why are you working against it.why instead of taking this opportunity to spread the word of love, you take it to spread reasons to not love and accept?

its cute how you thing you know what is good or dangerous for a society, as if you have the secret program.if it were known definitively what is good for a society, and what isnt we wouldnt bother with such debates would we?we would consult the failproof gold standard in what course we should take.you are right though, blind acceptance of anything is dangerous.blind faith in information from the blind faith known as religion.the acceptance of what we think was said, in the greatest game of telephone ever played, monothies.just like telephone it is compelling how each generation interprets and uses it,and in what way it deviates from its initial purpose.wich is unknowable to make any basis.

the beauty of being free caring society,is that we allow that crazy shit despite its track record of dissorder.you have every right to believe what ever crazy thing you need to believe if it makes you happy.you just cant ex[ect your crazy idea to cancel out another persons, just as thay arent allowed to stop you from living yours.you dont get decide who they fuck, and they dont get to decide what you believe.they spend thier lives with a partner of the same sex, and you get to do the same with the opposite sex.that is what equality is, and with out it a peacefull society is impossible, as nobody wants thier crazy deal messed with.

so you dont hate gays, you just dont think they deserve civil rights

1-same sex is natural as it requires no synthetic element for it to occur.same sex is more natural than dildo usage.same sex is no more unnatural than a blow job.every one has a preferance to which hole to put thier dick in.none more right or wrong than the other.

2-aids is to gays, what monkey is to blacks, and rats to jews.be proud you are in a hell of a group of idealogical peers.the reality is that aids is a blood disease, not a gay disease.in fact at present homosexuals have the lowest incidence of aids, while white teenagers have the highest.please test the theory.i will raw dog it with the gays for a while, and you raw dog high school girls, ill be happy to help you take your azt pills when you no longer can do it yourself.

3-if the confusion of children were a basis for any arguement we would have no military, and when kids asked where do babies come from we would just stop having babies in order quell that inquery.if a stork is all that is needed to answer that one, you can pretty much tell them what ever the hell you want and get away with it.if getting grilled by a child stumps you, you shouldnt really be breeding anyway and your concerns arent valid.

4-heterosexuality forces absolutely no behavior at all.in fact if anything it is heterosexuality that has done this.

5-so straight people dont have uncontrolled sex?wilt chamberlin,gene simmons,ted nuggent, these names dont ring a bell? all porn ever has been created by gays?wether or not i seek cock or twat horny is horny regardless.if anyone is having uncontrolled sex it would again be the heterosexual community that after literaly centuries of trying cant seem to control teen pregnancy, unless you think the gays are inpregnating our little girls?while the gays have been able to control thier sex as to keep safe and aids not prevolent, it is the heteros who are the sexual anarchists.

6-men having sex with boys seems to be happening more with priests than any group of gay men.gay men arent being even accused no less found guilty of child molestation.you assume a pee pee toucher is gay when it is an independant sickness.if you doubt this please as the vatican about this, they have tons first hand experience.a shitload more experience than the rainbow coalition

7-gays dont break up families, families are breaking on thier own.the divorce rate is 52 percent few of wich have anything to do with homosexuality.those that do dissolve because a member is gay are the result of some one being denied the right to live as they are and failing at trying to be straight.destruction of the family would not only decrease through acceptance of homosexuality as gays would neednt feel compelled to pretend to be straight, but gay marraige would make more families.

please by all means keep bringing proof of how the lesbians who live next door to me are destroying us via bumping uglies and carpet munching.im curious how it is that my straight sex is so not impactfull but others sex acts devestate, being as all exist in private.

You make my point that most gays are consumed only with self satification. You are gross!!!

mmmmm nope sorry, not gay.i love pussy.really cant get enough.although despite enjoying large boobs and small boobs alike, i am an ass man.but that is as far as it goes, i dont like cocks and i find male public affection nausiating.
so if anything i proved the point that heteros are consumed with self satisfaction, as i am a proud horny bastard.that is if you were speaking strictly in sexual terms, cuz if not you prove it.
who is more interested in self satisfaction than those who dictate how others live thier lives?gays dont need or want you to be gay, but you guys seem to be unsatified until they are straight.
whos consumed with self satisfaction really.

and dont claim it is what god wants, cuz no one knows what god wants more than any one else.those who think they do end up exploding themselves or institutionalized.plus god created all of existance, im sure he can smite a fag.he doesnt need us, unless you suppose god is impotent and he needs our strength, wich is blasphemous no?

Please. If you are not gay. then you are one of the immoral community which I find even more disguisting. So, I have decided to leave you alone, realizing nothing can be done.

well my dear, as long as you are posting in a community you are posing ideas that are subject to the views of all members, myself included.i checked out your profile, and just as expected it is all about bashing gays.while you may posses a passion towards that endevour, i too have a passion in this regard, so here we are.
if you truly want to leave me alone you will cease posting anti-gay commentary, and i will have no cause to post pro-gay commentary.but i think we all know how that is gunna go.

as far as morality goes, you nor i are the authority, and i find your assumption that you are empowered to define it just as offensive as you find my interpratation.
your entire effort on here has been to be hurtfull to other human beings.regardless of reason, that is the strategy you are employing.your basis for morality excludes people from being treated as human beings.keep telling yourself your rightious, just like the kkk did,just like jihadists do.hate is hate no matter how it dressed up.

Jailing homosexuals for being homosexuals is a far cry from "disagreement" as regards the original intent of this bill in Uganda.

Rather than alluding to vague assumptions, I would like you to point out specifically what is unhealthy and inherent specifically to the "gay lifestyle" as you so put it. I bet you can't find one thing. Not one.

the thing is freedom isnt your dictate.sucks to be you but thats how it is.
blacks have to live with the kkk
jews have to live with nazis
and gays have to deal with you hating them, it is how freedom, and personal responsability work.
you cant dictate thier life, they cant dictate yours.

by the way, your anti gay speak is really akin to the brand used by self loathing closet gays.if you are just let it go and you will still be loved, probably even more so.it wasnt easy for larry craig or mark foley or ted haggard, but it is what it is.

her job as a jouranlist is to observe not partake in the story, or it becomes invalid

and the out of left field analogy award goes to you.

thats just how my mind works, but they can both be very traumatizing if forced upon you

lol watch the remixes...

ok good i thought i was sick for dwelling on that element of propaganda he was pushing.if only we could show them it isnt a perversion unique to homosexuality or indicitive.

ROFL!

The Republicans do the same sort of thing here - duping the ignorant unwashed masses with the "guns, gays and God" mantra.

I have been preaching that since 1989. Repulicans cannot win on social issues so they resort to emotional issues to drive votes their way. Republicans have never presented a real social agenda for the United States, they have only called for less taxes, and less regulation, both of which are the reasons we as a nation are where we are. But they have never adressed social needs from the elderly and handicapped to the unemployed and urban uneducated minorities who end up costing society more in the end with welfare or prison or minimum wage jobs that most won't take. When minimum wage is what it is after taxes they do better on welfare. Welfare can be cured by increasing minimum wage to a real livable wage. Unimatrix0 love your avatar

how is it that voters vote for people who campaign on smaller government.if these candidates really wanted smaller government, wouldnt they be not campaigning to prove it, and not seek a government salary?its oxymoronic.
could you imagine trying to get a job by telling your employer your goal is to get rid of the position your applying for.

if they want smaller government, where is the limit.they dont want anarchy so they want some government, but they never are made to state the size of government they want specificaly.its like republicans somehow all know this point but the rest of us cant, and they cant explain it.

i have a theory that the nixon administration damged the image of the republican party so badly that to stay a float, they adopted religion as every society is vulnerable to it, and it would secure enough votes to buy them time to repair what nixon had done.some where along the way over the last half century they forgot that is what they were doing, and didnt bother to create any policy due to the ease of religious pandering for votes.

i also think the tea party is the result of generation after generation of republicans being sold an impossible bill of goods.i mean obama will go down in history as the first black president, but bush was the first evangelic born again president.that was the base being exploited the most all these years, and after 8 years of thier great hope running the show, we are worse for it.
the tea party seems to me to be a reaction to lofty hope (thier faith) being crushed.i think they really thought "if we just had one of us in office, shit would work right cuz we know we are right".of course the religious cant accept thier faith is flawed, so they have to pass the buck.

my theory at least

A very solid theory, Nixon/Agnew ended up being so corrupt and criminal to the point of impeachment of Nixon and resignation of both with Agnew facing charges. Your theory that the republicans did that would not only seem plausable but actually very likely as southerners were always more religious than both coasts and Chicago part of the midwest. Plus the huge evangelical groups . Playing the political game that way was their savior again your theory proves out. Less educated more religious, easy pickins. Great theory I tend to agree

im educated but not highly but how many other times in our governmental history has both the potus and vpotus seats been open as to require the sec. of state to be elevated to president? i feel like the nixon administration was the first. im pretty sure if not the first time the line of succession went that deep, it was the first time it had had gone that far as a result of corruption.

I just read some of your comments. Either you are an ex-hippie or a child of one. Am I right. Simple question. No debate.

nope, my folks were squares who liked the beatles until they dropped acid and went all sgt pepper.no shortage of "i wanna hold your hand" and "love me do" 7 inch's in my house, but no lucy in the sky.
moms liberal dads conservative.
i am a punk who loves the sentiments of anarchy, but finds it unsastainable.
im not a hippie.my feet are to gnarly for sandles, the greatfull dead suck, and i am prone to hate.tie dye is also just retarded.
im just on a quest of enlightenment grappling with flawed humanity we are all subject to.i dont believe in love, or peace, but i do belief in compasion and empathy.

You are doomed to walk the earth alone. I feel sorry for you because it is not normal to harbour the bitterness you do.

lol im prone to the negative emotions of humanity, but i dont embody them like some one who goes out of thier way to defame others on a public forum website.
i dont harbor bitterness any more than your average bear, but out of curiosity your posts arent that?
i dont know how im doomed to walk the earth alone as i am married and have plenty of friends and family, but ok then.

ya know what.what they hey ill play along.

I have read all of your comments and I agree with you 100 percent. Even though veeger is bashing you, you still remain calm and cool, replying back with logical and reasonable arguments that actually make sense. Good for you, and I'll stand by you all the way.

if i approach it like a child like some people, why would anyone respect what i have to share.unlike the limited scope of those determined to serve only themselves, we see the big picture where tantrums result in nothing.
this isnt even my agenda, but hate speech as overt as this cant be left to stand unchallenged.
thanks for solidarity

You're welcome. If it were me, I would have a hard time trying to argue back logically like you do. I easily get angered and so when I read veeger's comments, I feel so angry that I would want to curse him out and say how much of a ignorant American he is. When I see that someone is so ignorant and is completely lost of any decent common sense, it gets me so riled up because I am so passionate about this subject and to think that someone could be this close-minded about all of this makes me want to scream.

maybe it is a reflex of being jewish, or a secondary value system but it is better to pretend when people say such verbal diharea that it is done for attention more than a true feeling so the emotional element can be avoided.i mean when your a heeb and are surrounded in a world that takes sport in insulting you it is the only way to not unspool.i ignore the motives and try to respond in the most productive manor possible.i know any jackass why types that type of stuff is either an unreachable moron, or a shit stirring troll so i dont dignify it with my personal emotions, just counter it so it doesnt breed more.

now thats online, in the real world it is much harder as the people who do this in real life are clearly in to it.im really hoping on sept 11th anyone planning to burn a quran isnt in my zip code, cuz i dont see myself not knocking some one out and calling them a nazi.shit im so gunna get tazed.i live in a red state im going to jail.

lol, yeah. In real life, I would so be cursing out and beating the people who say that. Do you know about the Westboro Church? I watched videos of their protests and if I had seen them in person, I would definitely be beating their asses if it weren't for the fact that I would go to jail. I know that, but it's just so hard to do online and in real life. I'm mentally disabled, so I am used to people referring to things as 'retarded' or 'stupid' all the time and that offends me a lot like they're saying that I'm retarded and stupid. It just sickens me how people can act and talk this way about stuff that they have absolutely no clue about and think that they know everything when they don't.

sorry im a retard offender, but ironicaly dont see it fitting any one actualy mentaly disabled.kind of like that gay episode on south park with the bikers.
tose westbaptist church freaks i have heard of for years, howard stern had them on.they really should die.

lol, definitely! It's okay. Maybe we should get back to what we're supposed to be talking about, this video. This bill, the priest, and all those supporters make me fucking sick! To think that they would support and even think of a bill that would imprison and kill people just because of their sexual orientation! It's stupid! It's ridiculous! It makes absolutely no sense to me at all! Do these people even understand what they're doing? They're killing innocent people, even their own family members just because they're gay. That's insane! It boggles my mind that these people would support and encourage such a bill as this and would listen to someone as ignorant as that priest. I mean, "eat the children's poo poo", that is so stupid! This is not protecting the children. This is showing them a bad example, telling their children that it's alright to hate and kill someone just because they are gay. If I had been there, I would slap that priest and the supporters silly and insult them for being stupid, ignorant, selfish, close-minded, and just having no decent common sense at all.

for me the importance is really on how religion is abused, in particular our fastest growing one evangelicalism.at the end of the day all we can do is sit back and watch uganda do what they will, just like with iran and so on.we arent going to do anything, nor will any other country.it will be an ugly part of thier history but thiers none the less.
i think the importance for us is seeing what the religious are doing to demonize others so we can stop it at its source here.we know they are crazy, but in uganda we can see how the ideas they spread effect the willing mind.identify the crime and severity of it, and regulate it here so it cant proliferate.i mean imagine how nice it would have been if some one had set a precident in how to stop nazi style propaganda before ww2.

Yeah, that's for sure. But the reason why they are so willing is because they don't have all of the information. They are only getting one side of the story from the same people, they have no idea about the other side of this and think that "Oh, this must be true." when really it's all lies and if they got both sides of the subject from someone else before deciding, then maybe they would not support this bill at all. Yeah, religion is becoming so abused in this time and age. I don't really have a religion, no I am not atheist, but I just don't know what religion I would be and it's because of people like that priest and those supporters that make me hate Christianity so much and never want to be Christian because there are people out there like that priest who have those opinions that I absolutely do not agree with at all. I know that not all Christians have those ignorant opinions, but it seems like a majority of them are and I would rather not be a part of a religion where people have those kinds of opinions and values that disagree completely with mine.

i say go with judaism as the torah is the original draft of islam and christianity, and the jews havent edited it ever (hence jews not having all the sects) or ever will.the nice thing about judaism is sure everyone wants to kill you, but you dont have to believe in god to be jewish.it helps but isnt a prerequasite.be muslum for the torah sequal as they pick up where the torah ends and in the same fashion.but also go with hinduism if for nothing else the number of gods and stories they have is a treasure trove of material.you will never get bored or know it all with hinduism.
but most importantly above all else make it personal.
dont go to a temple church or mosk to be a sheep.use it for what it is for, you.dont let it be manipulated in the interest of an organization.
i walked away from judaism for about 10 yrs cuz i was so disgusted at my temples teachings.on its own religion is beautiful, as long as it is personal.

Alright. I've actually been thinking about Buddhism too because I have been doing research on it and I like it very much. The principles of it don't go against my morals or values and they are very simple and almost straight forward, depending on how you interpret them and their meanings. But I'll check out Judaism, Muslim, and Hinduism too for sure.

how do you not have to believe in god with Judaism?

judaism is human law.laws to govern a human life.thats it, so if you follow them you live a jewish life, as a jew.belief in god makes anything that you dont know why your doing it, seem worth doing, but isnt required to keep kosher, or fast on yom kippur,or observe the sabbath.
i dont believe in god, but i identify and revere the teachings of judaism.mostly talmud cuz that is man made, and not filled with fantastic hyperbolic bullshit.its based on the bullshit, but the real world application of it and more.

to give you an example a premise in judaism is takun olam (spelling is probably off).takkun olam (still looks wrong sorry) basicaly states that the world is broken, and also recognizes if we as individuals dont do our part, that way it shall stay.so the jewish thing to do is sieze every opportunity to make the world a better place.you cant fix it as you are just one man, but you have a duty to to help.
its not a very spiritual explanation and thier is more to it, but it is a great concept i think for a person to guide themselves by, so i accept it.in this regard i hold a jewish belief despite not believing in god.as it goes i hold an overwhelming amount of belief's derived from the jewish tradition but cant see a god being at the helm, making me an athiest jew.

on a side but related note, judaism is why i dont believe in god as well.well nazism really but that would have blown your mind had i made that make sense lol.i cant see jews being enslaved in egypt a reason to intervene in human affairs more so that genocide.if hitler wanted to literaly wipe out the physical presence of jews, he failed.but if he wanted to test the faith, the verdict is still out, but he is ahead.the part that tickles me though is despite that being the case, im still jewish.so jews, remain, even in the face of its basis being removed.aside from the zionists who created israel, that era's jews saw a spike in athiesm.when you watch generational films or docs about israel, more often than not you will see a kid ask his grandparents if they believe in god and an ackward hush fills the room until subject is changed.my dad is an athiest as well, who just keeps it to himself so a theological argument doesnt errupt with my mom.so is my grandfather, but his mother, was very religious as her father was a rabbi.grandpa went to war and saw it first hand lost his faith.from being raised by the daughter of an orthodox rabbi, he bacame an athiest in europe.he is for all intensive purposes is jewish.observes the sabbath,fasts on yom kippur,keeps kosher and so on.
by the way this athiesm isnt passed down, i came to this conclusion on my own and was yelled at by both my father and grandfather for saying it.kind of like when gay people go beserk fighting against themselves cuz they believe it is something to be kept as a dark dark secret.i just recently found out about my granfather, and maybe five years ago i got it out of my dad, but i concluded this at about 13.the fucking bar mitzvah did it lol.that would be ironic.
sorry its long but i think it clarified.

to be christian one must accept jesus christ as his/her personal savior.
to be musim you must believe in god as mohamed it really the only difference between judaism and islam.if you think the abrahamic tradition is a good method by wich to live your life and dont believe in god you cant be muslum, cuz the deviations between islam and judaism is entirely predicated the divine revelations of mohomed.trippy shit right.so if you live a muslim life but dont believe in god, in essence you are jewish.
ive gone too far now.sorry