Two faces of the immigration debate

One of the better Vanguard Docs!

My mothers family came from Jalisco, Mexico and got citizenship the right way. I feel for a lot of these families and some these jobs that they have there isn't any American that were do these jobs. I may have missed it on the program but how did the female student afford the high price of a UCLA tuition? My wife works as a teacher at a school were 40 percent are not US citizens. And, a larger number of kids were born here meanwhile their parents are illegal. These are the same kids that have mothers that don't work while they get every free program known to man but get picked up in new SUV's like cadillacs. America needs to stop passing out $$$$ like this. Also, it's not people from Mexico that are here illegal. Just like the post below do things the right way if you want to stay here and receive services as well.

yup, its sad all around but why havent this family applied for citizenship? esecially before the laws got tough! they could have done that like 10 yrs ago! I feel sorry for immigrants but exactly what Joooeb said... so it the right way if you wanna stay here!!

there's always 2 sides of every story...thanks for showing some....however, there's different issues...I would love to discuss more about it.

saad

Just watched this episode of vanguard,,,,Ilse is in a tough spot for sure i feel for her and all the illegals who came to the u.s.a. as young children i truely do, her parents put her in this situation and our failed immigration policy helped for sure but that does not mean our country or the state of california owes her anyting,she was allowed to live here and get a world class education she's been very fortunate,the unted states of america has to protect it's legal citizens first and foremost and that sometimes means hard choices and hard lines need to be drawn, the united states is not in charge of employing the people of mexico or any other country other then this one and that's the cold hard truth so sorry to all the bleeding hearted liberals who need to stop all the tear jerking documentaries and face the facts, we can't afford to keep allowing illegals to suck our economy dry, oh and i did find it interesting that your show never touched on the subject of the crime caused by illegals(we all know not all illegals are law abiding citizens) or the drain they cause our medical care system but hey, who cares about the facts as long as you can produce the show you want to make in an attempt to make all us hard liners feel bad about how we treat these poor illegals. I guess we shouldn't expect Mexico to provide for it's citizens or to protect it's own borders that woud be way tooooo much to ask.

No easy answer , I understand the desire of those chasing the American dream
Feels like it's been sold ,& the carrot once dangled has been eaten . There's not enough water trickling down to sustain the gap between haves & got somes
For me it often comes back to class struggle &/or resource grab leaving little ( if any ) for those who follow . When the soups to hot , you don't add pepper , you just have to let it cool , keeping an eye on it so it doesn't disappear . Now hopefully you've got soup that's too hot , all you need's some bread to make a meal . If you find some one with bread , maybe both can have 1/2 a meal . Sure would be nice to have more carrots , but they won't be ready in time for the soup . Gotta just plant the seeds & look for some celery . Thanks for listening

The College girl seems like a wonderful human being, and a productive member of society, but all I could think of is how many other perfectly good and productive kids had to be turned down for UCLA, and denied their future, because this girl and 200 (number quoted in show) other Illegal Aliens took their spots?

Where was the interview of the folks that are denied jobs and college so that this girl could be given that opportunity?

Does the United States owe this girl a world-class education because she is a good person? If so, where does that American responsibility for people stop? If she was a drunk bum robbing people at gunpoint, would she be a bad person and then not worthy of the united states paying for her education?

The dividing line that we have set in this country is citizenship, not personality, and no matter how nice of a person this girl is, or what she contributes to society, that is a non-sequiter to the fact that she is breaking our laws.

With that utter lack of facing the reality of facts, or even bringing up any rational or interesting questions about the Illegal Immigration debate, this show was an utter waste of time.

I hope someone reads this. It seemed there was a connection that I would like to research and explore. Any ideas on research sources would be appreciated and I wondered of your sources regarding NAFTA. It seems that with NAFTA - loss of American Manufacturing jobs in the US to Mexico also resulted in flooding the Mexican market with cheap corn so the farmers went broke (something about Mexican government wanting people to move to the city?) so they come to the US illegally to work on farms. Seems to me that the only ones winning here are large corporations on both sides of the border.

I'm glad to see you're still at it, Mariana (informing us). Keep it up!

Thank you joeeb, I was thinking the same thing when i saw it.

I completely agree

Why is there religion? Why do people attend church? Why do we even believe in GOD? Why do we raise our kids properly? For one thing only, to do the right thing! Who cares about what is legal, who cares about the laws that we human write and decide what is wrong and what is right. All that set aside and after watching this show your conscious will tell you this is wrong. If everyone thought this way the world would be a better place.

About the college gal here illegally,I feel sorry for her but her father never should have snuck her into the country in the trunk. What about all of the unemployed people that are being displaced by people that sneak across the border.I've seen it happen here in Yakima,Wa. in the apple packing warehouses.A lot of good people have lost jobs because the warehouses want to hire cheap labor. And this gal is graduating from college and says she doesn't have a social security number but hopes somebody will still hire her?yeh,right! she's going to have to steal somebody else's number just like so many others do.That's the problem. Her family has been here for all these years and have made no attempt to try to apply for citizenship,why not? I am not against immigration,my grandparents on both sides of my family came through Ellis Island. Just do it the right way. Joe

Ms. Van Zeller- did you sneak across the border or enter the US legally? Are you suggesting that simply wanting to come to the US gives someone the right to do so? And that the US has no right to protect its borders and to deceide who is granted entry?
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