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White House Denies Nine Southern State Petitions To Leave The Union, Will Instead Relocate Petition Signatories To The Three Countries Willing To Accept ThemYou'll be surprised by who wants them
http://latestbloomer.uskoa.com/white-house-denies-nine-southern-state-petitions-to-leave-the-union-instead-will-deport-petition-signatories-to-mogadishu-somalia/You'll be surprised by who wants them... more
**Credit to Ed Stein for this**
In a surprise move, the House of Representatives yesterday voted overwhelmingly to secede from the union.
Shortly after taking their oaths of office and posing for ceremonial pictures with House Speaker John Boehner, the newly-installed members of the 113th Congress acted on a bill offered jointly by Chuck Fleischmann, Republican from Tennessee, and Joe Barton of Texas, compelling the House to formally withdraw from the United States of America.
All 233 Republicans voted for the measure, ensuring its passage. Not a single Democrat voted in favor.
Rep. Barton, explaining his reasons for offering the bill, said, “In this last election, the American people spoke loud and clear. They want a Congress that will solve this country’s problems, that will move beyond narrow partisan gridlock, that will take issues like global warming and guns violence seriously. That sure as heck isn’t what we in this chamber want.”
Michele Bachmann, Republican from Minnesota, an early and enthusiastic supporter of the bill, added, “It’s pretty dang clear that America and the House don’t see eye to eye on pretty much anything. Their agenda is so out of whack with ours it’s ridiculous even trying to talk to them. Health care for all, a progressive tax system, putting the interests of the people ahead of our campaign contributors—let’s face it, we have nothing in common with America.”
Speaker Boehner, in a last-minute attempt to stave off the vote, proposed a Plan B in which the House would move to an undisclosed offshore location but remain part of the country, but he was unable to muster enough support in the Republican caucus to bring the measure to the floor.
After the vote, a triumphant Eric Cantor, the House Majority Leader, exclaimed, “Let’s see them call us a do-nothing congress after this!”http://edsteinink.com/post/39760943242/house-finally-acts **Credit to Ed Stein for... more
Bestselling author Tom Woods cuts through the establishment’s hysteria at the very suggestion of secession, and considers the arguments on their merits.
http://libertycrier.com/politics/nullification/ron-paul-right-thought-controllers-wrong-on-secession/?utm_source=The+Liberty+Crier&utm_campaign=8d0f58c847-The_Liberty_Crier_Daily_News_12_03_2012&utm_medium=emailBestselling author Tom Woods cuts through the establishment’s hysteria at the... more
One week following President Obama's victory for re-election, representative from all 50 states have filed petitions with the white house asking to secede from United States of America. The latest total number was estimated around 700,000 electronic signatures according to RT news, although this has not reached one percent of American population, it signals a dissatisfaction the American people have towards the government. Will this number keep rising? Is this the only last solution?One week following President Obama's victory for re-election, representative from... more
Seceding from the United States is much harder than you think. In this video, comedian Dusty Smith explains exactly what it's going to take for the south to rise again.Seceding from the United States is much harder than you think. In this video, comedian... more
I sware on the bibel that I can spel
http://latestbloomer.uskoa.com/go-ahead-oklahoma-succeed-from-the-union-er-i-mean-seseed-um-oh-hell-just-leave/I sware on the bibel that I can spel... more
Normally, it would be easy enough to dismiss petitioning as the work of fringe cranks, because in nearly all cases that’s precisely what’s going on. Now, though, there’s a new factor to ponder. In short, the secessionists have caught the fancy of the media. Google “secession.” It’s a little mind-boggling, to be honest. And if the last decade has taught us anything, it should be that no idea, no ideology, no delusion is so extreme that the mainstream press cannot haul it ranting and lathering into the Overton Window. Obama is a Kenyan, after all. And a Muslim. And despite being objectively to the right of Richard Nixon, a socialist. Climate disruption is a liberal plot.Normally, it would be easy enough to dismiss petitioning as the work of fringe cranks,... more
Secession: Exploding Movement, Tempest In a Teapot … Or Something Else?
A lot of attention is being given to the fact that residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States.
Daily Caller reports:
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin.
States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
As Google notes, web searches for the term “secession” are being run in a number of states:
Conservatives – such as Judge Napolitano and Ron Paul - say that the states have the right to secede. And Texas governor Rick Perry said that Texas has a right to secede (although he counsels against it at the current time).
On the other hand, most liberals say that the Civil War ended the state’s right to secede. Huffington Post is covering the wave of secession petitions …
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/what-does-it-mean-that-residents-in-all-50-states-have-filed-petitions-to-secede.htmlSecession: Exploding Movement, Tempest In a Teapot … Or Something Else? A... more
By Jo Piazza / current.com / @jopiazza
Just over a week since America re-elected the possibly Kenyan, probably Muslim, likely Socialist Barack Hussein Obama for a second term, at least one person, sometimes more, from each of the 50 states in our good union has had the notion that seceding from the union would be better than four more years of rule under this apparent tyrant who pledges to make life better and fairer for the middle class and dares to want health care for all the people.
Just about the only thing the secessionists like about this proven-on-the-Internet Communist's White House is that it has created a mechanism whereby any citizen can create a petition for just about anything (it's really participatory government at its best).
And so now these wise citizens have used said platform to request their state's sovereignty to peacefully form their own governments.
(Side note: Many of these petitions have received fewer signatures than a petition for the president to have a beer with Fark.com founder Drew Curtis.)
Oliver Stone wants an "anti-empire" candidate. Find out what that means on "Joy Behar: Say Anything!" Thursday night at 6E/3P.By Jo Piazza / current.com / @jopiazza Just over a week since America re-elected... more
With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union...
... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).
Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.
Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession....
This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.
But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-14/over-100000-supporting-texas-secession-ron-paul-weighs?page=1With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000... more
Congratulations, New Freedomstan. You will have arrived on the world scene and can get down to brass tacks once all of your funding isn’t directed to just getting your feet on the ground. You can establish an educational system sufficient to your national goals. Or not. You can establish a health care system that will meet the needs of your population. Or not. You can build your infrastructure to satisfy your every need. There will be peace across the land. Only the right religions will be part of the social fabric (which specific denominations remains to be seen). Men will stop raping because only virtuous women will be part of New Freedomstan. There will be no more out-of-wedlock births. Abortions just won’t be needed, so why even bother outlawing them? Divorce will be against law because of the sanctity of marriage. And all of this will be supported entirely by goodwill because, after all, there won’t be any taxes. No taxes, no need to worry about who has to pay, and how much. Your free market will be unfettered. Monopolies will develop and naturally return to their altruistic ways.
That just leaves getting rid of all those pesky minorities and immigrants. Decisions, decisions. Pogroms? Genocide? Forced sterilization? Slavery?Congratulations, New Freedomstan. You will have arrived on the world scene and can get... more
One of the more entertaining zingers trotted out by statists when the subject of Texas secession comes up is that a Lone Star Republic couldn’t defend itself from invasion.
It’s entertaining because those making such a statement tend to be rabidly anti-military to begin with, and seem to lack a basic grasp of Texas’ unique geographic position in relation to the rest of the world.
(My personal favorite was the 16-year-old who asked in a MySpace forum: “What are you going to do when the Chinese show up and run right over you?” China doesn’t even have the amphibious capability to invade Taiwan—which it badly wants—much less truck more than a million troops halfway around the world to have to fight house-to-house in Texas, which it doesn’t need.)
Silliness aside, however, a fledgling Republic of Texas would have to make some military decisions—how to handle the presence of large U.S. military installations, for example, and organizing its own military forces and command structure.
For starters, realize that despite the venom flying out of the mouths of statists, Texans aren’t talking about a second Civil War when they talk of secession. Most members of the Texas Nationalist Movement favor negotiations with our parent country concerning installations such as Fort Hood, Fort Bliss and Ingleside Naval Base.
We realize the strategic value of these installations to the United States. There’s nothing says the U.S. can’t retain leases on those bases and training facilities, and if Texas military forces are allowed joint participation, there’s no reason we can’t make those leases very reasonable.
Texas is not without military forces of its own. For one thing, more than 10 percent of active-duty Americans currently serving in uniform are Texans, according to Sen. John Cornyn’s office; other estimates put that number as high as 15 percent, and a large percentage of trained pilots are also Texans.
Texas also has a National Guard and state militia which, in a pinch, dwarf the military forces of most other nations. Texas’ Army National Guard includes two full divisions – the 36th Infantry and 49th Armored – as well as supporting units. The Air National Guard has two full fighter wings, an airlift wing and various support units.
Full Story: http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-could-defend-itself-after-all-who-would-we-need-to-fightOne of the more entertaining zingers trotted out by statists when the subject of Texas... more
A Texas Tea Party Republican cites a battle cry from the Confederacy while blaming Asian-Americans and Hispanics for re-electing Obama.
Yes, please secede. Most of us would love to be rid of you. Exits from the nation are conveniently located at the top, bottom, and both sides of the country. And don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. (Read this nut's full letter)...
http://veracitystew.com/?p=45738A Texas Tea Party Republican cites a battle cry from the Confederacy while blaming... more
A Republican official in Texas called for his state to separate from the United States and the “maggots” who reelected President Barack Obama in a newsletter he sent out this week.
Peter Morrison, who serves as treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party, wrote in his post-election newsletter that there was a clear solution to the problem of Obama’s re-election.
“We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity,” Morrison wrote. “But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity.”
“Texas was once its own country, and many Texans already think in nationalist terms about their state. We need to do everything possible to encourage a long-term shift in thinking on this issue. Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years,” he wrote.
The contents of the letter were first reported by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Morrison also wrote that “many members of minority groups are simply racist against the party most white people happen to vote for.” He singled out Asian Americans, who he said should be Republican “as they earn more money and pay more in taxes than white Americans.”
Star-Telegram columnist Bud Kennedy reported that Hardin County Republican Party Chairman Kent Batman was surprised by the content of Morrison’s Tea Party newsletter.
“Wow,” Batman said. “OK, well — I guess I need to start taking a look at his newsletters.”A Republican official in Texas called for his state to separate from the United States... more
An overview of secessionist movements internationally.
Consider the GOP approach, from their positively Byzantine assault on women to their willingness to openly lie about anything and everything to their reactionary theocratic rhetoric to … well, you’ve been watching, so you’ve heard the same barking asshaberdashery that the rest of us have. In a remotely sane world – that is, one in which candidates and ideas were intelligently evaluated on their merits alone – this batshit brigade couldn’t pull more than 15% of the popular vote if they were running uncontested. And yet, here they are, poised to score nearly half the popular vote for president and probably maintain control of the House. Why is that, I wonder?
So here’s the question: what would the polls look like if Barack Obama were white. (100% white, I mean.)
Instead of letting that hang there like a rhetorical question, let’s actually do a poll.Consider the GOP approach, from their positively Byzantine assault on women to their... more
If Barack Obama wins a second term in the White House, Frank Rich has suggested, the Right is going to go absolutely nuts. I suspect Rich is correct—we haven’t seen anything like the rage that will consume the Right, who have up to now convinced themselves that the polls are skewed or something. There will considerable denial, and then another lurch to the right. Larison has this spot on as well, as do any other number of commentators. As a result, we can expect secession fever to ratchet up. We’ve gone over this a number of times on this blog—S&R have provided a number of posts on the fact that while we might regard it as desirable that a bunch of the country wants to leave to start their own Baptist Republic, the problem is they just can’t afford to go it alone—they rely too much on a federal gravy train. So we’re probably struck with them for the time being.
Misery loves company, however. The US South is not the only place in the world these days contemplating Secession. In fact, it’s probably not even the most vocal about it either.If Barack Obama wins a second term in the White House, Frank Rich has suggested, the... more
My point? Even once we have agreed to partition the US along ideological lines, there remain some extremely important pragmatics to iron out. As the maps above make clear, the South and other regions that we’d expect to align with its particular brands of social, religious and economic conservatism are home to a good majority of the nation’s domestic energy reserves and, if your view of geopolitics is even remotely like mine, way too much in the way of established (and mobile) military muscle.My point? Even once we have agreed to partition the US along ideological lines, there... more
Where do we draw the lines? A lot of this is obvious. Most of the South goes one way, and everything from DC on up goes the other. Most of the Upper Midwest east of the Dakotas is North, while much of the Lower Midwest (including Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri) is South. California and the Pacific Northwest are clearly North. The Dakotas are, despite geography, in the South.
But after that it gets really sticky. We can count on both sides wanting to retain as much in the way of economic and resource base as possible, so there will no doubt be cases where moving a border a few miles can mean billions of dollars in revenue. Not only that, but we can expect pitched battles among citizens in some communities, with significant percentages wanting to be on either side of the line. I can’t conceivably predict where the chips will all fall, but we probably know enough at this stage to identify certain of the more complex situations and make semi-educated guesses on how things might shake out.
A few hot-spots to consider (and for lack of a perfect tool, let’s use this NY Times map to provide some broad data for our discussion)...Where do we draw the lines? A lot of this is obvious. Most of the South goes one way,... more