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These are Electors who choose your president. Do you recognize any of them? No? Me either. Hmm. They choose our President?
If you read the first installment of this article, you will recall that we discussed the real reasons for the American Revolution and the true charactor of the Founding Fathers who initiated that Movement. We also talked about the fact that those same founders also felt they; as the Elite Class; had the right to determine the course of the nation in perpetuity.These are Electors who choose your president. Do you recognize any of them? No? Me... more
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On December 13, 2000 the chosen president Al Gore made his withdrawal speech to the country. After more than a month of trying to count all of the votes in Florida but running into nothing but corruption and foul play from Katherine Harris and her goons and also voting committees of both parties, intimidation tactics, brownshirt tactics, corrupted voting lists, media brainwashing and the brother of Bush who had covered for him, Al Gore withdrew (I will not say concede because he had gone as far as he could) after the USSC unconstitutionally appointed George W. Bush in a judicial coup (that unsurprisingly was to not set a precedent) that has now led this country to where we are now.
I remember watching the USSC decision. I was sitting in front of my tv with my then nine yr old son in my lap. After it was read I just held my son very close and tight and cried. I knew then that what the USSC had done which was outside their jurisidiction had sealed the fate of this country as far as democracy and representation by the people and that went beyond party.
Since then we have seen our country plummet. Fate has not been kind to us because I believe we missed our chance to truly stand up when it mattered the most. Subsequently the NORC count did show that Al Gore received thousands more votes than what had been allowed to be counted and by law then deserved the electoral votes of the state of Florida. George W. Bush was never a legitimate president and I never uttered the words president and Bush in the same sentence for eight years. For those years Al Gore was my president.
After that catastrophe of democracy I knew something should be done. I decided to start a PAC and called it Patriots for Al Gore. There weren't a lot of members but we raised money, did radio ads and tried a campaign to have Al Gore as a write in candidate in the 2004 primary elections. We did OK in New Hampshire and New Mexico with a few thousand even writing him in for Vice President. And believe me that was grassroots. I then decided that we needed more so I constructed an amendment to the constitution whereby if fraud could be proven beyond a doubt which kept a duly elected president from serving their term that they could be "restored" to the term they were denied. We even had buttons saying, "Restore Gore." I sent out letters to Congress but of course nothing came of that. My PAC then focused on environmental issues, voting issues, prison issues, social justice issues and advocating for paper ballots and a rein on the unconstitutional abuses of Bush.
Eventually due to lack of participation and deridement from other Gore supporters of other sites who supported Kerry then and thought I was overstepping for standing up for my convictions and wanting the Congressional Black Caucus to at least give their superdelegate votes to Al Gore in a show of support at the 2004 convention after our PAC endorsed him for President over John Kerry, I disbanded the PAC. But I never gave up on the man who was destined to be president then who was treated so badly even by his own party and I think we can see clearly now why that was the right thing to do. I do not regret any of it, but can say that experience shook my faith in government, politics and yes in people.
So today and tomorrow we remember just what can happen to our government when we are detached from it and not taking part in working to make it just and better and also in not sticking to our convictions regarding what is right instead of what is popular or status quo. As I watch this speech I watch my President.
"Some have asked whether I have any regrets and I do have one regret: that I didn't get the chance to stay and fight for the American people over the next four years, especially for those who need burdens lifted and barriers removed, especially for those who feel their voices have not been heard. I heard you, and I will not forget."
President Al Gore in his withdrawal speech of December 13, 2000.
Thank you Mr. Gore for your grace through all of that. I just wish we'd had the strength of character as a people collectively to look beyond our partisanship and see this for what it was and demand accountability and justice. I wish we could have experienced a Gore Presidency... but then, the work you have done out here for our planet since then has been more than presidential and will benefit so many people for so many years to come.On December 13, 2000 the chosen president Al Gore made his withdrawal speech to the... more
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This video claims to show that ballot boxes are already stuffed before voting even begins. In the clip, the cameraman reports that he can see stacks of votes at the bottom of the ballot box, five minutes before the polling station opens. He gives the time as five minutes to eight in the morning - he flashes his watch face to confirm this.
He then summons a local election official, and asks her if she can see the ballots sealed inside the box. She replies that she sees nothing. He then argues that everyone else can see them, and tries to convince security at the polling station to intervene. When the cameraman realises they don't intend to help him, he says in a sarcastic tone "Great!"This video claims to show that ballot boxes are already stuffed before voting even... more
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Watching a fair percentage of the bottom 90% become brainwashed into believing that deregulating billionaires means a trickle down of freedom for them has left the Koch brothers as delusional as their less-wealthy base. The Kochs now believe that if they plow enough money into anything, they can own it. Their hope is that by giving a lot of money to the Cain campaign, they will be able to put their puppet in the White House.
http://veracitystew.com/2011/11/04/koch-cain-its-official-herman-is-koch-brothers-candidate-video/Watching a fair percentage of the bottom 90% become brainwashed into believing that... more
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Exclusive: A laboratory shows how an e-voting machine used by a third of all voters can be easily manipulated
It could be one of the most disturbing e-voting machine hacks to date.Exclusive: A laboratory shows how an e-voting machine used by a third of all voters... more
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A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush. http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the... more
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Free Press reports a new court filing reveals a high-tech system using a sophisticated man in the middle hacker attack that was used to steal the 2004 Ohio presidential election for George Bush.
The filing includes, among many other documents, the deposition of the IT guru, Michael Connell, who worked for the Bush Family and Karl Rove who created the controversial system which transferred the Ohio vote results to a Republican server site in Tennessee. After giving the revealing deposition on the inner workings of the system Micheal Connell dies soon afterward in a suspicious small plane crash. http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/07/20/court-filing-reveals-2004-ohio-presidential-election-hacked-bush-37331/Free Press reports a new court filing reveals a high-tech system using a sophisticated... more
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ALEC Exposed
John Nichols
July 12, 2011 | This article appeared in the August 1-8, 2011 edition of The Nation.
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Subscribe Now.“Never has the time been so right,” Louisiana State Representative Noble Ellington told conservative legislators gathered in Washington to plan the radical remaking of policies in the states. It was one month after the 2010 midterm elections. Republicans had grabbed 680 legislative seats and secured a power trifecta—control of both legislative chambers and the governorship—in twenty-one states. Ellington was speaking for hundreds of attendees at a “States and Nation Policy Summit,” featuring GOP stars like Texas Governor Rick Perry, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. Convened by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)—“the nation’s largest, non-partisan, individual public-private membership association of state legislators,” as the spin-savvy group describes itself—the meeting did not intend to draw up an agenda for the upcoming legislative session. That had already been done by ALEC’s elite task forces of lawmakers and corporate representatives. The new legislators were there to grab their weapons: carefully crafted model bills seeking to impose a one-size-fits-all agenda on the states.
About the Author.John Nichols
John Nichols, a pioneering political blogger, has written the Beat since 1999. His posts have been circulated....Also by The Author[ Click for More ] .With ALEC Exposed, Common Cause Demands an IRS Audit of Corporate-Funded Group's Gaming of State Lawmaking (Corporate Lobbying, Conservatives and the American Right, States, Corporations, Politics)
Revelations about American Legislative Exchange Council project to link corporate interests with state legislators to impose an agenda that protects polluters, privatizes public education, breaks unions and undermines democracy raises questions about whether group is “evading lobbying disclosure laws,” violating tax breaks designed to encourage charitable contributions and doing “an end-run around state ethics laws.”
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In Wisconsin, union activists are joining Arlo Guthrie to sing the full version of "This Land Is Your Land" -- including the class-conscious, economic-justice lines.
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8 comments .Related Topics.Contact Details Noble Ellington Republican Party Social Issues Technology .Founded in 1973 by Paul Weyrich and other conservative activists frustrated by recent electoral setbacks, ALEC is a critical arm of the right-wing network of policy shops that, with infusions of corporate cash, has evolved to shape American politics. Inspired by Milton Friedman’s call for conservatives to “develop alternatives to existing policies [and] keep them alive and available,” ALEC’s model legislation reflects long-term goals: downsizing government, removing regulations on corporations and making it harder to hold the economically and politically powerful to account. Corporate donors retain veto power over the language, which is developed by the secretive task forces. The task forces cover issues from education to health policy. ALEC’s priorities for the 2011 session included bills to privatize education, break unions, deregulate major industries, pass voter ID laws and more. In states across the country they succeeded, with stacks of new laws signed by GOP governors like Ohio’s John Kasich and Wisconsin’s Scott Walker, both ALEC alums.
The details of ALEC’s model bills have been available only to the group’s 2,000 legislative and 300 corporate members. But thanks to a leak to Aliya Rahman, an Ohio-based activist who helped organize protests at ALEC’s Spring Task Force meeting in Cincinnati, The Nation has obtained more than 800 documents representing decades of model legislation. Teaming up with the Center for Media and Democracy, The Nation asked policy experts to analyze this never-before-seen archive.
The articles that follow are the first products of that examination. They provide an inside view of the priorities of ALEC’s corporate board and billionaire benefactors (including Tea Party funders Charles and David Koch). “Dozens of corporations are investing millions of dollars a year to write business-friendly legislation that is being made into law in statehouses coast to coast, with no regard for the public interest,” says Bob Edgar of Common Cause. “This is proof positive of the depth and scope of the corporate reach into our democratic processes.” The full archive of ALEC documents is available at a new website, alecexposed.org, thanks to the Center for Media and Democracy, which has provided powerful tools for progressives to turn this knowledge into power. The data tell us that the time has come to refocus on the battle to loosen the grip of corporate America and renew democracy in the states.
“Business Domination Inc.,” by Joel Rogers and Laura Dresser
“Sabotaging Healthcare,” by Wendell Potter
“The Koch Connection,” by Lisa Graves
“Starving Public Schools,” by Julie Underwood
“Rigging Elections,” by John NicholsALEC Exposed
John Nichols
July 12, 2011 | This article appeared in the August... more
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Why does Coca-Cola sit on the board of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)? Why would a beverage company help ALEC write laws that disenfranchise voters? Especially college students? When did Coca-Cola decide to branch out and assist ALEC by authoring legislation that attempts to destroy environmental protections? How could Coca-Cola think that America would sit idly by and allow them to partner with a "shadow" conservative think tank that seeks to strip workers of collective bargaining rights? Coca-Cola showed a conscience when they pulled their ads supporting the Glenn Beck Show. Is that where their conscience ends? I hope not. http://www.opednews.com/articles/ALEC-Writes-The-Laws-Restr-by-Jillian-Barclay-110623-369.htmlWhy does Coca-Cola sit on the board of the American Legislative Exchange Council... more
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As the Republican presidential candidates tour Iowa hoping to lock up the 2012 nomination, they will hear an assortment of questions on energy policy. Some of them, ThinkProgress has learned, will be planted by the oil and natural gas lobby to steer the candidates toward pro-Big Oil policies. http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/06/25/252591/oil-industry-astroturfing-2012/As the Republican presidential candidates tour Iowa hoping to lock up the 2012... more
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And that, of course, is why Republican lawmakers in the South are trying desperately to cut it back. Two states in the region have already reduced early-voting periods, and lawmakers in others are considering doing so. It is the latest element of a well-coordinated effort by Republican state legislators across the country to disenfranchise voters who tend to support Democrats, particularly minorities and young people. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/06/opinion/06mon1.htmlAnd that, of course, is why Republican lawmakers in the South are trying desperately... more
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Finally, someone will fight to expose the election fraud that has been plaguing this country for the last 15 years or so. Joanne Kloppenburg, you are my hero.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/121958509.htmlFinally, someone will fight to expose the election fraud that has been plaguing this... more
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A demonstration version of the Excel Recursive True Vote Model is available as a Google Docs spreadsheet.
Go to this post and click on the link to the model:
http://richardcharnin.com/TrueVoteModeling.htm
We distinguish between the True Vote (how people actually voted) and the official, recorded vote as provided by the media. It is an undeniable fact that in every election, the True Vote is never equal to the recorded vote. This is self-evident since the number of votes cast is never equal to the number recorded and therefore the True Vote shares cannot equal the recorded shares.
In the eleven elections since 1968, there have been approximately 80 million net uncounted votes. Net uncounted votes declined from 10.6 million (10%) in 1988 to 5.4 million (5%) in 2000 to 3.4 million in 2004 (3%). Given that the vast majority of uncounted votes are Democratic, the Democratic recorded vote must always understate the True Vote.
In the 1968-2008 elections, the average presidential recorded vote share was 49-45% in favor of the Republican. We will show that the average presidential True Vote share was 49-45% in favor of the Democrats.
Uncounted votes are just one factor why Democratic presidential candidates always do better in the unadjusted and preliminary exit polls than the recorded vote. Since the percentage of net uncounted votes has declined steadily since 1988, they are no longer a major factor in causing the discrepancies. Electronic voting machines have become institutionalized. Touch screen computers (DREs) produce unverifiable results and Optical scanned paper ballots are rarely hand-counted. In addition, invisible central computers that tabulate total votes for each district/county are vulnerable to malicious programming. Votes cast on DREs are lost in cyberspace and cannot be verified. Oregon is the only paper ballot state which mandates hand-counts of randomly-selected counties. Its vote-by-mail system has resulted in much higher voter turnout and nearly fool-proof elections.A demonstration version of the Excel Recursive True Vote Model is available as a... more
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If you want to live in a country where We The People govern ourselves, all you have to do is start acting like it.
Every two years, there’s some election of some sort. Every two years, the corporate owned media reports the election results as being split between somewhere around 50%.
That’s not true. Because each year, about 60% of the population DOESN’T VOTE.
Mathematically that means that the people who vote only make up around 40% of the population. And since that population of people who actually vote is split nearly 50/50 between two pro-war, pro-corporate parties who don’t give a fuck about you, we are being ruled by the electoral decisions of 21% of the population.
People on the blue side of the 40% of people who vote love to talk about Ralph Nader as being a ‘spoiler candidate.’
With a majority of people not voting, I think we need to start looking in the mirror for who’s REALLY spoiling our elections.
Mathematically, if everybody who didn’t vote in 2000 out of apathy or cynicism had voted for Ralph Nader, Ralph Nader would have been our 43rd president. Not Bush. Not Gore. It wouldn’t have mattered that over a million people were illegally barred from voting due to fictional criminal records. It wouldn’t have mattered that the supreme court decided the election in Bush’s favor when Gore had won the most votes.
The election would have been a landslide for the Green Party, with 60% voting Green, and only 20% voting Republican, and only 20% voting Democrat.
So why doesn’t this happen? We’re told all the time by the Droopy Dogs of left-wing, the cheerleaders for apathy and cyncism, people like Noam Chomsky and Chris Hedges that we should try “not voting” as a way to protest, or that third parties don’t have a chance of winning because the corporate power over our lives is SO complete, blah blah blah, doom and gloom.
Here’s the truth-- we have the vote. We are the ones who are really in charge, but we either throw away our vote by supporting candidates that don’t support us, or we stay home in protest.
So what’s the real answer? This is my call to arms:
You need to get off the internet, and get into your community. You need to start working to build the third party movement into a force to be contended with. The Green Party is only 10 years old and at a national level is skeletal at best. We need people to organize in their communities, and build third parties like the Green Party up at the local and state level. Poland threw off Communist rule by organizing people all across the country in small local, decentralized groups. It was called the “Solidarity” movement.
We need a “Solidarity 2.0” here in the USA.
In truth, if you want a government where we the people govern ourselves, all you need to do is start acting like it.
VOTE.
Or, if you don’t mind being ruled by the will of 21% of the population, stay home.If you want to live in a country where We The People govern ourselves, all you have to... more
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Confusion, delays and allegations of fraud marked the start of Sudan's first multi-party elections in a quarter-century, a vote that will test the fragile unity of Africa's biggest country.
The three-day election will be a key indicator of whether Sudan can fend off renewed conflict and humanitarian crisis as it heads toward a 2011 referendum that could bring independence for the oil-producing south.
The results are widely expected to keep Sudan's two most influential men in power: President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who faces an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court for allegedly planning war crimes in the western Darfur region, and Silva Kiir, who leads largely autonomous south Sudan.
In the capital Khartoum and across the country, there were long queues and chaotic scenes outside polling centers. Kiir was forced to wait 20 minutes under a tree for his voting station to open in the southern capital Juba and then spoiled his first ballot by putting it in the wrong box.
Would-be voters lined up in the morning in Khartoum, where police were out in force on unusually quiet streets. Many voters were hindered by delays in getting ballots to polling places, ballot mix-ups and names missing from voters' lists.
But by Sunday afternoon, no major unrest was reported as people voted to choose a national president, a leader of south Sudan, national and local parliaments, and governors of all but one of the country's 25 states.
Yet the elections' credibility took a blow even before voting started, as leading opposition parties pulled out candidates and blamed the government for widespread vote-rigging and intimidation. Election officials, trying to plan a complex election for the first time in a generation, denied the charges.
"It's not going to be a perfect election. There are no such things," former U.S. President Jimmy Carter told reporters as he joined observers from his Carter Center in Khartoum.
"But if we feel that in the elections the will of the voters has been expressed adequately then that would be the primary judgment we will make."
VOTING PROCESS
In Khartoum, voters stood or sat in the searing heat for more than three hours, many of them voting for the first time in a complex polling process. In northern Sudan, electors got eight voting forms; in the south, they must grapple with a dozen.
Men and women waited in separate lines, dipping a finger in indelible green ink before voting at cardboard booths.
El-Fatih Khidr, a 55-year-old pilot who came to vote in Khartoum's Riyadh district, complained that authorities should have opened more voting centers to cope with the crowds.
"There are a lot of crowds and there should have been more information because there is a whole new generation that have never voted," he said.
Up to 300 women in bright clothes and other voters waited patiently for more than an hour in the southern town of Malakal as officials tried to find a vehicle to deliver voting forms, a Reuters witness reported.
When Bashir, a military man who took power in a coup in 1989, turned up to vote at a school near Sudan's army headquarters, he shouted "God is greatest" to supporters. He then took ten minutes to cast his vote while voters from the army and security services waited outside.
In the south, where most follow Christianity or traditional beliefs, there was a palpable sense of excitement as people took part in polls they see as a prelude to the 2011 referendum that could give them independence from the mainly Muslim north.
Both votes were promised under a 2005 peace deal that ended more than two decades of north-south civil war.
After voting, Kiir called the vote "a good beginning" for Sudan. "I hope it will be a foundation for future democracy."
But that promising start could go awry if Bashir blocks the plebiscite. The south could try to secede by force or fiat -- which would likely mean a renewal of Africa's longest civil war.
continuedConfusion, delays and allegations of fraud marked the start of Sudan's first... more
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Shortly before six o’clock on the evening of December 19, 2008, a man standing outside his home in Lake Township, Ohio heard the whine of an engine in the sky above him.
Moments later two red lights broke through the low clouds, heading almost directly toward the ground. It was a light aircraft, and for a second, as it descended below the tree line, the man thought it would climb back up. Instead, there was a terrible thud, and the sky turned orange. When the fire crews arrived, they found the burning wreckage of a Piper Saratoga strewn across a vacant lot. The plane had narrowly missed a house, but the explosion was so intense that the home’s plastic siding was on fire. So was the grass. The pilot had been thrown from the plane and died instantly. Body parts and pieces of twisted metal were scattered everywhere. A prayer book lay open on the ground, its pages on fire.
The crash would have remained a private tragedy confined to the pages of the local press and the hearts of the pilot’s widow and four children, but within days the blogosphere was abuzz with rumors and conspiracy theories: The plane, it was said, had been sabotaged and the pilot murdered to cover up the GOP’s alleged theft of the Ohio vote in the 2004 presidential election. At the center of this plot was the Saratoga’s pilot, a prodigiously gifted IT expert named Michael Connell, whose altar boy charm and technical brilliance had made him the computer whiz of choice for the Republican Party. Left-wing Web sites openly referred to Connell as “Bush’s vote rigger” and claimed that his fingerprints were on all the most controversial elections in recent history. There were dark whispers of electronic pulses or sniper fire being used to bring down the plane—a black ops attack designed to keep him from testifying against his former cronies. Right-wing bloggers and talk show hosts derided such claims as the twisted delusions of liberal nut jobs and tinfoil hatters. The mainstream press sat on its hands.
But while the rumors, innuendos, and allegations continue to swirl through the ether, evidence has recently emerged that suggests the Ohio vote may have been hacked, and that Connell was involved.
More...Shortly before six o’clock on the evening of December 19, 2008, a man standing... more
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KABUL - Afghanistan's election commission Tuesday ordered a Nov. 7 runoff in the disputed presidential poll after a fraud investigation dropped incumbent Hamid Karzai's votes below 50 percent of the total. Karzai accepted the finding and agreed to a second round vote.
The announcement came two months to the day after the first round vote and follows weeks of political uncertainty at a time when Taliban strength is growing.
The chairman of the Independent Election Commission, Azizullah Lodin, said the commission, which organized the Aug. 20 vote, did not want to "leave the people of Afghanistan in uncertainty" any longer.KABUL - Afghanistan's election commission Tuesday ordered a Nov. 7 runoff in the... more
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Katie Couric speaks with former U.N. envoy Peter Galbraith, who was fired by a top official who now admits there is widespread election fraud in Afghanistan.Katie Couric speaks with former U.N. envoy Peter Galbraith, who was fired by a top... more
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The end of ACORN is here Finally! Those who deserve the credit do not include ABC NBC CBS CNN MSMBC The credit does go to thousands of Americans who bloged this Fraud group to a degree never seen before. Main streem Media you dont matter any more we have turned the Channel on you and turned the Page on you as well! This is as much a Story about Obama as well. ACORN is Obama and Obama is Acorn WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, a community organization under fire in several voter-registration fraud cases.
The 83-7 vote would deny housing and community grant funding to ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
The action came as the group is suffering from bad publicity after a duo of conservative activists posing as a prostitute and her pimp released hidden-camera videos in which ACORN employees in Baltimore gave advice on house-buying and how to account on tax forms for the woman's income. Two other videos, aired frequently on media outlets such as the Fox News Channel, depict similar situations in ACORN offices in Brooklyn and Washington, D.C.
The Senate's move would mean that ACORN would not be able to win HUD grants for programs such as counseling low-income people on how to get mortgages and for fair housing education and outreach.
Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., said that ACORN has received $53 million in taxpayer funds since 1994 and that the group was eligible for a wider set of funding in the pending legislation, which funds housing and transportation programs.
Just last week, the Census Bureau severed its ties with ACORN, saying it does not want the group's help in outreach efforts on the decennial count.
In recent months, Republicans have become increasingly critical of the census' ties with ACORN. The group, which advocates for poor people, conducted a massive voter registration effort last year and became a target of conservatives when some employees were accused of submitting false registration forms with names such as "Mickey Mouse."
Just last week, prosecutors in Miami-Dade County, Fla., arrested 11 people for falsifying hundreds of voter applications during a registration drive last year. ACORN tipped the authorities off to the problem.
On the hidden camera controversy, ACORN says it has fired the employees involved but has lashed out at Fox for pumping up the scandal.
In a statement, Bertha Lewis, ACORN's chief organizer, said the tapes had been doctored and violated Maryland's wiretapping laws. She promised to sue Fox.
Another ACORN spokesman, Scott Levenson, said the group believes the voices of the couple in the video shot in the Brooklyn office were dubbed over to alter the conversation and make the interaction appear more objectionable than it may have been.
ACORN sent a letter to Fox News President Roger Ailes, stating that the videotape was deceptive and had been dubbed over, and asking the network to stop showing the videos, Levensen said.
Fox News spokeswoman Dana Klinghoffer said the tapes were vetted editorially before they were aired.
The video was created by James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles and posted on BigGovernment.com, where O'Keefe identifies himself as an activist filmmaker.
Breitbart.com, which owns BigGovernment.com, did not immediately respond to a call and e-mails seeking comment.The end of ACORN is here Finally! Those who deserve the credit do not include ABC... more
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