Judge orders YouTube to give all user histories to Viacom
source: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/judge-orders-yo.html
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Viacom wants the data to prove that infringing material is more popular than user-created videos, which could be used to increase Google's liability if it is found guilty of contributory infringement.
Viacom filed suit against Google in March 2007, seeking more than $1 billion in damages for allowing users to upload clips of Viacom's copyright material. Google argues that the law provides a safe harbor for online services so long as they comply with copyright takedown requests.
Although Google argued that turning over the data would invade its users' privacy, the judge's ruling (.pdf) described that argument as "speculative" and ordered Google to turn over the logs on a set of four tera-byte hard drives.
The judge also turned Google's own defense of its data retention policies -- that IP addresses of computers aren't personally revealing in and of themselves, against it to justify the log dump.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation has already reacted, calling the order a violation of the Video Privacy Protection act that "threatens to expose deeply private information."
The order also requires Google to turn over copies of all videos that it has taken down for any reason.
Viacom also requested YouTube's source code, the code for identifying repeat copyright infringement uploads, copies of all videos marked private, and Google's advertising database schema.
Those requests were denied in whole, except that Google will have to turn over data about how often each private video has been watched and by how many persons.
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bamboombango
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oh crap
- 3 years ago
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bamboombango
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metalcookiesxy70
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Why bully youtube after all tihngs why not something else...?
- 3 years ago
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metalcookiesxy70
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TouchArt
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Boycott Viacom.
Write the CEO's of advertisers on Viacom programs and tell them you'll boycott their products if Viacom doesn't withdraw it's unconstitutional request for personal viewing records of Americans.
- 3 years ago
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TouchArt
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privateibber
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I knew someone who worked in a slaughter house. He told me how they would kill the lambs. First they sprinkle them with warm water. It makes them so calm. They make soft noises and sigh. The warm water becomes really comfy now. And then POOF--they slit their poor little innocent throats. If those lambs had a computer they would have realized that they are right out in the open for all to see. Now lions never get slaughtered like that. Lions are lions and they study how not to get taken in just because warm water feels so good and is so relaxing.
This will be used to fish for keyword searches. Each person will be profiled with the keywords they have used over the years. Somewhere there is a hatchery that has been collecting keywords and linking them with IPs and other information. They will now meld all of the information and with probable cause having been softened just recently...well, you finish the story.If it is just a matter of counting who views what then why don't they just look at that the counter.
I put paranoia aside as I know that all boils down to copyrighted material and who should get paid for what. Just like a gallon of gas. It doesn't belong to us unless we make it. I would like to see the initial agreement that someone signs (usually without reading it) describing the exact terms of You Tube uploads. It's all about money. We had this free air on loan. It was a teaser. Now it's time for collections.
Private Ibber - 3 years ago
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privateibber
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crazykatlady
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(Although Google argued that turning over the data would invade its users' privacy, the judge's ruling described that argument as "speculative")
it is clear how this judge will rule already considering his view on violation of privacy.
- 3 years ago
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crazykatlady
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damush
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Bootlegging has been going on since the invetory of sex. It's a part of theU.S. economy that never gets reported. Like piracy on the high seas, it'll never stop.
- 3 years ago
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damush
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TouchArt
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This is about keeping corporate control of information.
Keeping information from the people is the tool of police states.
Fair Use laws protect sharing information for research and non-profit purposes. Give credit to producers of copyrighted material. Most are happy you are getting their work to more people.
Information is power. Share and spread the word.
- 3 years ago
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TouchArt
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Playsatan
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its things like this that make people upload copy righted materials onto the net. people see this and react by uploading a south park episode onto somewhere like dailymotion.
the music industry has had the same thing happen to it and only the smarter bands, like raidohead, offer people to download an album fo free.due to this they are more populer than metalica and the napster fiasco. - 3 years ago
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Playsatan
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TouchArt
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Another example of how U.S. Courts serve corporate interests and will violate the Constitution and the rights of the people whenever they interfere with corporate goals.
Thanks to Uroborus8 for posting contact info for Viacom.
Tell Viacom, you'll boycott their products and broadcasts if they don't withdraw the request for personal records and ip addresses of YouTube users.
- 3 years ago
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TouchArt
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marpunk
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Too disappointing for words.
- 3 years ago
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marpunk
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gemenilaidback
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This is IMPORTANT news thanks j jammer .
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gemenilaidback
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andreah
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Outrageous decision - it must be overturned.
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andreah
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Pwdrskir
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Viacom is dependent on the very people they are trying to "take down", the viewers. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.
I say Boycott any and all Viacom productions!
- 3 years ago
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Pwdrskir
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Argon18
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Pwdrskir:
I doubt that will happen since Viacom has so many productions. But a better way might be to skew the data they have by watching all the user generated conted on YouTube. Some of it is a lot better than whatever Viacom has like Hotforwords, HappySlip, cubefarm, watchtheguild and LKGProductions. That way you'll guarantee that Viacom doesn't have a case and they'll be forced toleave YouTube alone
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Argon18
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Pilah
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omg this is crap... how do i change my ip address?
- 3 years ago
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Pilah
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SamuraiDave
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We need to sick anonymous on them. Forget Scientology! Viacom needs some internet "loving" from these guys.
- 3 years ago
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SamuraiDave
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Argon18
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It looks like Viacom is backing down on the access to the more personal parts of the data.
I still don't think that they'll be able prove that user generated video aren't watched as much as clips from other sources.
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Argon18
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persona
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Wow, I'm gonna miss Comedy Central. I haven't bought a CD in 8 years and I have no problem not watching TV.
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persona
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squidteeth
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LEAVE YOU TUBE ALONE!
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squidteeth
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StuArt_Gould
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GOOD! stealing peoples work is wrong and people who do it should get fined.
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StuArt_Gould
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squidteeth
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StuArt_Gould:
*blow job face*
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squidteeth
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flyingkick
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I wouldn't be surprised if Viacom is suing Google just to get users' private viewing information.
That information is worth more than anything Google would settle for.
It's a database of what the world is watching.
Those file are pure gold to marketing researchers.
- 3 years ago
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flyingkick
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current_nando
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Oh no, another copyright lawsuit! We're doom!
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current_nando
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colmor
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IT'S ALL MY FAULT!!! I'M SORRY!!! I never should have put up that Monkee's cover without getting permission first. Doh! Now everyone will blame me when the USA becomes China II.
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colmor
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Neghie
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yeah, the source code thing aint gonna happen. Our names and all those dirty videos we've watched, fair game.
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Neghie
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Prijedor
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This is crazy. Did this ruling happened in America? I wonder how much bribe did the judge get for this ruling. We are totally losing our freedoms day by day, its one thing after another.
Wont this like scare people who put up those 9/11 truth videos? & if Google does hand it over, will FBI/CIA be able to use that to track who is doing what?
I hope Google has balls to stand up for its users.
Thanks Current, if it wasnt for Current I probably would not have known about this.
People need to wake up and take back America.
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Prijedor
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themanwithadog
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Prijedor:
Yes Prijedor it can only happen in America. Regarding the bribing of judges you cannot say that as it is libel. BUT you can think it!
However somewhere along the line I think some illegaltransfers have been made into highly placed peoples offshore accounts - 3 years ago
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themanwithadog
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themanwithadog
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When all the lists are compiled of all users of U Tube they will be placed on the top terrorist lists in the US.
Admittedtly there are over thirty million users of U Tube but that matters not one iota you are all under surveillance by the government. All your names will be preceded by either Osma or Ali.
No excuses for viewing U Tube can be accepted as you are all infidels and very naughty. So beware! The lunatics are out of the asylum and are out to get you
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themanwithadog
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ReddFeary83
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themanwithadog:
Wow, I'm still reading, but I think that covers it pretty well....
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ReddFeary83
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uroborus8
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“We are disappointed the court granted Viacom’s overreaching demand for viewing history,” Catherine Lacavera, Google’s senior litigation counsel, said in a statement. “We are asking Viacom to respect users’ privacy and allow us to anonymize the logs before producing them under the court’s order.”
- 3 years ago
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uroborus8
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MaRibElfalcon76
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RIDICULOUS!
Viacom, get over yourselves and quit crying about copyright infringement blah blah blah. If anything YouTube has HELPED the bastard company by having more people watch their content. What dumbasses.....
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MaRibElfalcon76
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guynameddevin
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I feel sorry for the intern at Viacom who's gonna be forced to sift through those four terabytes of data.
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guynameddevin
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LogicalOctopus
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guynameddevin:
Well actually, a few carefully crafted SQL statements will tell them what they want to know, but that's besides the point.
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LogicalOctopus
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CicatrizJCP
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They should sue Girls Gone Wild and get all those videos too. Some sheepish tech nerds will be locked in their offices for weeks "inspecting" the "evidence".
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CicatrizJCP
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Audiogeek
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Is that going to happen to Current?
I better delete those videos of me blowing up kittens!
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Audiogeek
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LogicalOctopus
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This is retarded for too many reasons.
Judge says, "Company A you must give Company B some of your private information so that they can use it against you." WTF?
Hey, we all agreed to privacy policies on those sites. So we sue who? Google? Viacom? The State?
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LogicalOctopus
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rabidlemur
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Nooooooo, now everyone will know I watch "Ask a ninja" and Jpop videos =(
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rabidlemur
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Ricky84
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The only good thing about this story is that in the course of Viacom’s investigation someone is going to have to figure out what “2 girls 1 cup” is all about. When that happens I hope they throw up all over their little fascist keyboards.
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Ricky84
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squidteeth
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Ricky84:
GAAAAHAHAHAHA!
yesssssss!
- 3 years ago
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squidteeth
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Dmitri_Molotov
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The point here is that Viacom is violating the privacy of Youtube's users, whereas before it was just a few videos of pirated TV gone missing, now it's personal. They can and will see every video you've watched on Youtube.
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Dmitri_Molotov
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fuckbush
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Dmitri_Molotov:
yeah i dont like the privacy issue, i was just referring to anyone worried about being sued by viacom
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fuckbush
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fuckbush
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i think you should only have to worry if you took video from there shows and then posted them on utube.
also if you got alot of money - 3 years ago
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fuckbush
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Christof
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We did a "Current Controversy" about this when Viacom first filed their lawsuit. The above story is a very interesting development.
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Christof
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NaCl
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i guess it's time to take down that "How to roll a blunt" video...
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NaCl
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uroborus8
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NaCl:
No, I think if they knew how to roll a blunt, they wouldn't be so damn uptight about people watching their shows!
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uroborus8
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Dmitri_Molotov
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I!
Now I just need to find out which channels Viacom owns...To wikipedia! - 3 years ago
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Dmitri_Molotov
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iOw
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Yeah, boycott Viacom, not Youtube. Notice how they asked for youtube's source code? They arent concerned with a billion dollars loss in business, they want to get the code so they can start their own youtube!
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iOw
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Dmitri_Molotov
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iOw:
They asked for the SOURCE CODE?
Jesus man, that's like asking for your daughters hand in marriage while pointing a shotgun at your face. - 3 years ago
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Dmitri_Molotov
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Dmitri_Molotov
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I smell a boycott...
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Dmitri_Molotov
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Midnight_DevilX
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Dmitri_Molotov:
all in say "I!"
I!
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Midnight_DevilX
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clayjj05 [removed]
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Is this going to effect me watching dramatic look gopher?
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clayjj05 [removed]
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AndreaKnoll
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This is so appalling!!!
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AndreaKnoll
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sephy32891
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my first thought after reading this was that viacom was just going to see a bunch of custom guitar hero video on my list. maybe some south park too.
then i thought, oh crap, now that i think about it, there is some stuff on there i wouldn't want people to know about.
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sephy32891
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mccain08
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boycott viacom and everything they own
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mccain08
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milkradio
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Ew, that's so creepy.
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milkradio
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uroborus8
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Tell Viacom how you feel about them violating your privacy!
Viacom Inc.
1515 Broadway
New York, New York 10036
(212) 258-6000or here is a contact in their legal department. If they have our info, why not have theirs?
Michael D. Fricklas
Firm: Viacom Inc.
Address: Corporate Law Department
1515 Broadway
New York, NY 10036-8901
Phone: (212) 258-6070
Fax: (212) 258-6996
E-mail: Contact Us
Web site: http://www.viacom.comDon't feel bad about contacting him. According to Business Week he makes $2,809,875 yearly.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=312...Or Contact Viacom CEO and majority share owner Sumner Redstone at the address above.
Sumner's salary in 2005 was $19.1 Million according to Forbes.
And finally, Phillppe Dauman, CEO and President, and very close friends with Sumner. His business address is the Viacom address above. His home address according to www.whitepages.com is:
Philippe P & Deborah R Dauman
121 E 65th St
New York, NY 10065-7006
(212) 737-9496 - 3 years ago
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uroborus8
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Midnight_DevilX
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uroborus8:
I love you!
Thank you for this information! I will be starting my letter today!
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Midnight_DevilX
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J_Jammer [removed]
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uroborus8:
Good idea.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Dmitri_Molotov
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uroborus8:
Friend, I don't know where you get this kind of information but I would love it if you told me.
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Dmitri_Molotov
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csmonut
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uroborus8:
Thank you. I did.
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csmonut
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csmonut
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Privacy on the internet has been gone for quite some time.
Viacom is doing the same thing the records company did. Find any and every person that downloaded a song and sue them.
I sincerely hope it comes back and bites Viacom in the ass the way it did the record companies.
Writing your congressman and senators is very easy when you use email. I do it with rights and environmental issues all the time. - 3 years ago
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csmonut
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The court’s order grants Viacom's request and erroneously ignores the protections of the federal Video Privacy Protection Act (VPPA), and threatens to expose deeply private information about what videos are watched by YouTube users. The VPPA passed after a newspaper disclosed Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork's video rental records. As Congress recognized, your selection of videos to watch is deeply personal and deserves the strongest protection.
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uroborus8
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ctrl_alt_del
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Welcome to the New World Order!
Viacom is a strong company, hell just google what thier assests are. This is going to be a long battle for Google - 3 years ago
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ctrl_alt_del
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FallenMorgan
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Great now Viacom knows my name and IP. Corporations really are evil, and to me they have alterior motives.
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JLAZ
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how do people expect to have privacy on the internet. everyone should know the internet is not secure. everything you click is recorded and can be tracked. i believe the internet is very flawed but its a great social network
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Midnight_DevilX
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Welcome to the New World Order. A Judge is now infringing on our privacy. This is horrible. But what are we gonna do about it? Complain on a forum-based website, or are we actually going to set out and write the Supreme Courts, OUR elected officials? Probably not. And that is the sad truth.
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Midnight_DevilX
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Midnight_DevilX:
Possibly people don't write because it seems futile. If they don't want your opinion, be damn sure your letter won't make it anywhere but the trash. It seems that democracy is getting further and further from being a real thing, and I really do not want to lose my right to my own opinion and views. That's all this is, an attack on the masses to freak everybody out and get to them all. Why else would they require unnecessary information? The judge sounds like he just may be on the payroll of Viacom: can anyone check that out?
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ReddFeary83
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Midnight_DevilX:
First, we don't live in a Democracy. We live in a Democratic Republic. WE vote these senseless bastards in, WE can vote them out, or forcefully remove them - Legally. People fear their governments when they shouldn't.
Second, I agree, the mentality of us U.S. citizens is to not even try. Why not? What's the harm? You kill a tree? PLANT ANOTHER ONE!! E-mail them if you are worried about the damned environment. The Government knows how we act and knows that only a few voices will speak out, and that it will fall on deaf ears.
We outnumber this Government.
And now I'm on the terrorist list.
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Midnight_DevilX
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Midnight_DevilX:
Find your so called “representative” on the posted links below and put them on Speed Dial! I call my reps at least once a week to let them know my opinion on issues that matter to me. Stand up and be heard!!
“If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.” - Thomas PaineUS Senate
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfmUS House
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml - 3 years ago
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Pwdrskir
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Ricky84
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I use to crack password protected websites so I can tell you from experience that protecting your ip address can be very important. When someone cracks a website they hid behind the ip address of another person. You can also use those addresses to surf the web and look up whatever sick crap tickles your fancy. So this is what I would suggest.
First download Tor. This program works like a mini internet within the internet. Instead of taking a direct route to your destination, like a webpage, your data packet randomly hops around a series of channels. This makes it very hard for someone to tell what you are looking at.
The second thing I would download is Privoxy. This program is also free and it rocks. With it you can block your ip address from websites like Youtube. As an added bonus it blocks banners and ads so that when you surf your computer runs faster because it is not processing unnecessary junk.
Tor website http://www.torproject.org/
Privoxy website http://sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa
And this one will show you how to get them to work together http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Anonymity_with_Tor_and_Privoxy
Last thing I would suggest is download Acidmax, an IRC program. Get the server address from Tor and connect to their chat room. There are always people online 24/7 that are willing to offer advice on how to tweak Tor and Privoxy. Plus it’s easier for someone to walk you through installation via a chat room then reading an instruction manual.
Once you get everything installed both programs run like a dream. With one click you can turn them on or off at whim. So when I surf current I usually have it off but when I fire up bit torrent I turn it on so I don't have to worry about the feds busting down my door.
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Ricky84
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Midnight_DevilX
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Ricky84:
Wow, I guess only people who actually KNOW computers are aware of this. Haha. I, myself, do hack from time to time. Not for personal gains, but to avenge those who were criminalized.
It's good to know I share something in common with you! haha.
Tor runs awfully slow though! I use other IP hiders, and hell, sometimes I'll just jump on someone else's server. I don't think my IP address has ever been used except for here.
That's my internet security!
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Midnight_DevilX
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Ricky84
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Ricky84:
Yeah I use to have fun cracking. There’s nothing like stealing user names and passwords from porno sites so you can sell them to other people at a discount. Screwing over pornographers is god’s work, kinda. Anyways throw me the name of that program you use. I’d love to give it a shot.
By the way I know of a good way you can get around the speed issue if you’re having a problem. Try using an IRC client with a web browser script. Firefox is ok and all but nothing beats a stripped down browser tailored to your exact needs.
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Ricky84
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VSiskos
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I wonder if this sets some dangerous precedent. And I also wonder if Google will appeal.
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VSiskos
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pigmonkey
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Nice find J jammer. Keep up the good work.
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pigmonkey
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pigmonkey
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I would like to see what The Daily Show says about this. They are owned by viacom.
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pigmonkey
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RoBot_rOcKer
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why do they need ip addresses? you can obviously tell which videos are most viewed and popular without giving all that information. this is bull shit!
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RoBot_rOcKer
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stopnoise
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Forget about your ip address! That it is a joke as they can not trace it unless you have a server with a permanent ip. Most people run on dynamic connections. Trying to trace an ip address from someone on a dynamic connection is the same as trying to find a sprinkle of sand in the desert. They might just trace you by looking in your account if you have a real name there.
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stopnoise
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stopnoise:
Actually there is a good bit of information there: your geo location is computed from it and your IP service provider gets fingered. That's who Viacom will sue next.
And while your IP address can and does change, it is more stable than not. If the FBI really wanted you and all they had was an IP address, you can bet your bippy that they would track you down! (I know, 'bippy' really dates me.)
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stopnoise:
The FBI is not the only group that can trace your ip down. There are a lot of companies that for a price will do all the leg work. It's cheap too, like twenty bucks. Anything you upload onto a website can be used to trace you back to your ip address.
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Ricky84
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phillyharper
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I think it's going to all play out badly.
The day that phone companies started offering people unlimited access to facebook on their mobile phones is the day that the internet became like a cable TV subscription.
Maybe our days enjoying an unregulated information free for all are coming to an end. That is surely a bad thing?
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phillyharper
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ThomasGreen
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I think it is amazing that our courts order Google to help them violate our right to privacy! Why does Vaicom need to access a YouTube's user's IP address?
The only reason I can think of how and why this could be of use in a lawsuit against Google, is because Viacom might want to generate lawsuits against users who have watched or uploaded copy written TV material to YouTube.
I hope that this act by Viacom results in the whole matter being taken to the Supreme Court.
This is a unbelievable breach of trust. - 3 years ago
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ThomasGreen:
That's the thing though; not everyone knew if they were watching copyrighted material or not. It's not like it's stated on the page of the vid you're viewing. This is ridiculous, and you're right, it is violating the privacy of every person that has ever used youtube. Which, unfortunately, is probably 99% of internet users.
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ReddFeary83
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Nefri
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ThomasGreen:
In YouTube's user agreement, it states that information won't be shared with any third parties. The rights of the people are clearly being trampled. What are we, the people, going to do about it?
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Nefri
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sgirgis72
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This is a pretty crazy ruling..will be interesting to see how it all plays out
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sgirgis72
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Argon18
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sgirgis72:
It is crazy since how are they going to prove it? Viacom is just fishing for excuses at people's expense to stretch out their lawsuit. User generated content gets a whole lot of views just like this story about Marina even beating out Music Videos and the NBA.
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Argon18
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Tori
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I have to wonder...why does Google track and keep all that info anyway? I guess it's valuable information that perhaps they can use to attract advertisers...but right now, it seems like a smarter move to stop tracking all that stuff.
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Tori
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digitrash
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Tori:
One reason, two words: Sarbanes-Oxley
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digitrash
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jahbini
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This seems like real bad justice. As this kind of forced information sharing may give a more detailed picture of your and my actions to big corporations and big brother, us little guys will suffer.
I'm wondering if the ACLU might be interested in this, although I'm sure that Thomas Jefferson would never have dreamed of the internet.
It seems weird that I might ever consider donating to a legal defense fund for Google, considering the big $$$$ they control.
- 3 years ago
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jahbini
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KefKef
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Everyone, get out of youtube as you still can! If we don't, they think that terrorist watch Weezer videos all day.
- 3 years ago
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KefKef
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Julie_Soller
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How do I change my IP address?
- 3 years ago
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Julie_Soller
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Merge9
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Julie_Soller:
http://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/f/hideipaddress.htm
or just type 'hide my ip' into google for many free services. It will probably slow down your surfing somewhat unless you are proxying through a fast server.
- 3 years ago
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Merge9
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shroomfairy
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I wonder what they'll think of my viewing list, lol.
- 3 years ago
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shroomfairy
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jade_azul16
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ohohoh now imma be on sum terrorist list 4 sure, god damn the day i became a registered youtube user, hehehe
- 3 years ago
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jade_azul16
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renbyrd
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jade_azul16:
Ha. That's exactly what I thought.
- 3 years ago
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renbyrd
