LHC infiltrated by hackers
source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern...
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The way I see it, why does the LHC need to be connected to the internet anyway? If it's not on the web, it can't be hacked. I believe the hackers did the wrong thing for the right reason in this case. This way maybe CERN will increase their systems' security.
- 3 years ago
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Valleriana
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Hackers did the right thing i totally agree to that. Hacking is not a bad thing even if its a crime for some ppl. They just prooved for once again that theres no safety and no matter how hard companies and orgs try, theyl'l just do a whole in the water.:D
- 3 years ago
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Valleriana
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jbone1983
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I guess nothing is ever truly hacker proof. And why the huge fuss, We could finally find out what the universe is made of, and suddenly it's the end of the world.
- 3 years ago
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jbone1983
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jonny2times
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delicate binaries, bad hackers, let a screaming electron slip out of the electromagnetic field you just weakened by displacing files with your little "build it and they will come" message and fly to greece and smack you in the back of the head.
- 3 years ago
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jonny2times
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Eat_Disco
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READ THE ARTICLE!
The hackers had no intention of doing any damage!
In fact they left warning messages advising them where to improve their security. Also quite clearly notifying the LHC team that with intention they could have taken control of the CMS detector. - 3 years ago
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Eat_Disco
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pvl1
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i mean really, of all things to hack, y the one thing that can apperently really destroy a lot of things. I mean weve established that the black holes arent gonna do anything, but like, if they mess with like the power within a computer, they can like blow out a few fuses, ya know?
also, how do u fight a hacker? change the passwords? close connections? u can't really like, do much about it, except for take the system of a network.
lastly, y was this connected to the internet? You'd think cern woud have a satelite or sumthin that they can use.
- 3 years ago
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pvl1
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colmor
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plusaf quit trying to pretend you know something. You gave another eight mile long speech about how a car running on water would never work, well guess what, the Japanese have one up and running at eighty klicks an hour and its on the way to mass production. So, you don't know jack, so shut up okay
- 3 years ago
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colmor
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rwylie
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I guess they spent so much of their $5billion on the actual machine that they didn't have much left for a firewall.
- 3 years ago
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rwylie
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grohldberg12
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This is so stupid. It's like aiming a magnifying glass at an anthill with a bomb in it.
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grohldberg12
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myowndesignjf
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Damn spammers...
- 3 years ago
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myowndesignjf
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satanskidney
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I cant wait for the LHC griefers to show up. Yeah I'm 1337 so stfu nub.
- 3 years ago
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satanskidney
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Kati_kat
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Seriously, these scientists must have had such a huge boner over getting to do this they forgot to run effing security checks, how retarded... How much of their hard work could go down the tube if these guys weren't just screwing around and actually tried to do something to it?
- 3 years ago
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Kati_kat
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Smothmoth
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The damage those idiots could have caused...
I'm really starting to get tired of these paranoid jerks who don't understand physics. - 3 years ago
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Smothmoth
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bulespider12
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just y world u do this . . . y?
- 3 years ago
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bulespider12
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asherp
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bulespider12:
the hackers pointed out that they didn't have a secure system.
I'm glad they left warning messages rather than doing something more dastardly.
- 3 years ago
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asherp
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drbj
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bulespider12:
I just agree completely that as a society we need to be more thoughtful as we continue to be interdeopendent on technology. So really, hackers! use your brains more wisely
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drbj
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heatX
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i can just see it...
'Hackers create black-hole and wipe out the entire-=P
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heatX
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grease_weasel
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As I learn more about this machine my concern actually grows. I'm all for science by observation but recreating the big bang seems to be playing with fire - if you know what I mean. And now it's been hacked, that ain't good. That unit should be offline in the first place.
Obviously I'm not a physicist, but brainiacs sometimes forget to ask the most obvious questions in their pursuit of knowledge. So my main concern is...the probability of a black hole is 1% from what I have heard (which seems high), but it's effect should be relatively nothing and it should basically cancel it's self out (in theory). BUT... what if there is a rouge black hole which doesn't behave as it should and reacts in an unforeseen ways (of which there are many I'm sure). Is there a way to detect or stop the reaction? If no... I don't think humans are ready to tinker with nature in this way.
Technology is great and all, but given the option - I would rather use stone tools than be consumed by a black hole while browsing the net. Those are my thought and I'm not even a dooms day prophesier.
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grease_weasel
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brad62
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Greek geeks. Hmmm!
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brad62
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Jake87
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Oh my god what if they point it at a major city??!!
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Jake87
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Kati_kat
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Jake87:
You are being sarcastic right? You do know its basically a circular tube 17 miles long, right? Not a gun? Cause if you're kidding, that's pretty funny, but if you're not, I'm worried....
- 3 years ago
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Kati_kat
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Dmitri_Molotov
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Cyberpunks and hackers, the time to go to war isn't far. The empires of the 20th century: Russia, Britain, The US, China, will break into the collections of distinct country's they've always been.
On a side note, Hackers are great for your security. They show you your weaknesses, and how to fix them. - 3 years ago
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Dmitri_Molotov
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Humdrum
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Dmitri_Molotov:
There are many who would argue that the world needs to move away from nationalism, and rightly so.
Look at all the mass death that has come about from tribal conflicts throughout human history. Imo, even more tribes is not a good thing.
I'd say that people of a single, broad culture group should be working towards unification/ peace, rather than division/ war. Speaking of the big picture, anyway. - 3 years ago
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Humdrum
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Thompson_Guevara
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The Cyber-War has begun, hackers everywhere...
pick up your mouses and keyboards, we will attack the hard drive and burn the great motherboard, the graphics cards will never stand a chance after we get the modem out of the way!
I DECLARE THIS A STATE OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 3 years ago
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Thompson_Guevara
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blood77
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So according to some people this is what would have happened if the hackers had failed
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blood77
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tanyetta
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blood77:
yeah that is about right!
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tanyetta
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Argon18
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Consider the purpose of the scientific experiment is exploration and communication of the data obtained. Doesn't that go contrary to the idea of a tight security?
If it were a national security or weapons development I could see the point, but hacking a pure research facility is contradictory of the aims of the experiment.
The idea behind the research is free flowing communication of the results and hacking only introduces distortions into that so it brings in the possibility of tainted data.
- 3 years ago
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Argon18
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arcticspirit
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Hackers... gotta love them! rofl.
System of checks and balances? Never know.Here's what Cern had to say about what happened:
Scientists working at Cern, the organisation that runs the vast smasher, were worried about what the hackers could do because they were "one step away" from the computer control system of one of the huge detectors of the machine, a vast magnet that weighs 12500 tons, measuring around 21 metres in length and 15 metres wide/high.If they had hacked into a second computer network, they could have turned off parts of the vast detector and, said the insider, "it is hard enough to make these things work if no one is messing with it."
Fortunately, only one file was damaged but one of the scientists firing off emails as the CMS team fought off the hackers said it was a "scary experience".
The hackers targeted the Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment, or CMS, one of the four "eyes" of the facility that will be analysing the fallout of the Big Bang.
The CMS team of around 2000 scientists is racing with another team that runs the Atlas detector, also at Cern, to find the Higgs particle, one that is responsible for mass.
"There seems to be no harm done. From what they can tell, it was someone making the point that CMS was hackable," said James Gillies, spokesman for Cern. "It was quickly detected."
"We have several levels of network, a general access network and a much tighter network for sensitive things that operate the LHC," said Gillies.
"We are a very visible site," he said, adding that of the 1.4 million emails sent to Cern yesterday, 98 per cent was spam.
The hacking attempt started around the time that the giant machine was about to circulate its first particles, under the spotlight of the world's media.
- 3 years ago
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arcticspirit
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KefKef
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Let me guess, the password was "password."
- 3 years ago
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KefKef
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marpunk
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KefKef:
HAhaha
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User Name:Admin
Password:Admin - 3 years ago
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marpunk
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blackdaylight
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its bogus that most of the comments so far are about how the hackers are wrong instead of how terribly foolish the lhc team is for not having a secure system, especially considering the potentially catastrophic consequences.
i suppose the status quo rules over here @ current too!(
- 3 years ago
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blackdaylight
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Katdadt
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These hackers did the right thing by pointing out security flaws in one of the greatest experiments ever concieved.
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Katdadt
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Argon18
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Katdadt:
Unless they are people that are trying to discredit the research by planting distortions in the data.
Just because they can do something doesn't mean they should
- 3 years ago
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Argon18
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EclecticBadger
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Amusing to read that hackers found holes from the outside before the boffins could investigate possible holes on the inside.
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EclecticBadger
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silent_line
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man that's such a silly thing to do the hackers doing this must be very stupid or retarded. Come on hacking some software or a game is ok but wrecking a experiment that could have very bad out come if it goes wrong is just stupid...
may be they should of not used vista
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silent_line
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Wesnology61
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silent_line:
haha @ the vista comment, im assuming your a mac user : )
- 3 years ago
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Wesnology61
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Eat_Disco
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silent_line:
They didn't wreak the experiment they just left warning messages so that they better protect themselves from hackers that might actually want to interfere.
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Eat_Disco
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Allsunday
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Why doesn't anyone ever hire hacker groups to do this purposely before it all goes live? You know, so they really DON'T get caught with their pants down? They have all these software engineers to test their systems, but not one person who doesn't already know their way through the system trying to find holes in security from an outside source.
- 3 years ago
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Allsunday
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Stradius
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Please hackers, don't screw up the test parameters... you could cause some REAL damage instead of saving us from doomsday.
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Stradius
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marpunk
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And finally the villagers come with pitchforks and torches.
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marpunk
