Tech | December 16, 2008 | 49 comments

New dark energy findings suggest Einstein's theory is dead-on

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"NASA held a phone-in press conference today wherein three astrophysicists reported the latest findings on dark energy. They have now "clearly seen" the effects of dark energy on the most massive collapsed objects in the universe. This new evidence has aligned scientists behind the central belief that 1) dark energy exists, 2) that it explains why we are seeing the universe expanding and accelerating, and 3) that Einstein's General Relativity theory is correct - so long as the cosmological constant is applied (something Einstein himself called his "greatest blunder")."

Look at that chart! Talk about feeling small in the universe, huh?
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49 comments // New dark energy findings suggest Einstein's theory is dead-on

  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Orion, I don't engage in "religion bashing."I post numerous articles on a wide variety of subjects. Just because not everyone agrees with you does not make them stupid. Don't condescend to me with your "good to see you are learning" BS.

      And no, I still don't believe in god. You can interpret science however you want to fit into your religious beliefs.

      Also, we can "detect" dark matter by seeing it's influence on other things in the universe, that's what this whole article is about.

    • 3 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • There aren't even words for how genius this man is. "Is" because his theories still astound us and are yet to be completely seen. Well, "seen" might not work in this example...

    • 3 years ago
  • orionblastar
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      orionblastar  
    • div:

      Well General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics sort of clash, once you go below the scope of an atom, physics kind of changes quite a bit. Which led to Post-Einstein theories like Super Strings.

      But yes Dark Matter does explain things, it showed that the theory of gravity was flawed as galaxies needed more mass to keep them together. Stars orbiting the inner orbit of a galaxy moved at the same speeds as stars on the outer orbit of a galaxy, which proved that the law of gravity was seriously flawed, because it said stars on the outer rim should orbit slower than those on the inner rim. That is how they discovered Dark Matter and Dark Energy, it is the missing mass.

      This is, of course, old news to us serious science students. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/missing.shtml The BBC reported on this many years ago, and Delia and others only now caught up to it. She won't admit she was wrong about it, and now she supports it despite getting into an argument with me about it how unscientific I am for being religious. Einstein was religious as well, said things like "God does not throw dice". Hawking said that "Not only does God throw dice, but sometimes they land where he cannot see them." talking about black holes and such. Super String Theory expands on science and shows us that other universes exist and we have more than three dimensions. Einstein called time the fourth dimension and space the fifth. Einstein said that space was warped by gravity. Dark Matter and Dark Energy are the missing things that Einstein called his blunder because he could not detect them or validate his theory (he couldn't do the math to prove or validate his theory right) and he gave up on it calling it a blunder.

    • 3 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • div:

      Appreciate the reply! But.. what does Delia have to do with what I wrote? And what's with the bashing? I was talking neither about Delia nor what God has to do with dark matter.

      Still, I like your argument. I'm not a physicist - I lean to the biochemical end of the spectrum - so I don't know too much about Einstein's theories - only what I learned in high school physics. So I do appreciate the input.

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • div:

      "She won't admit she was wrong about it, and now she supports it despite getting into an argument with me about it how unscientific I am for being religious."

      What a bunch of bullshit! NEVER did I say anything against dark matter OR string theory. I told you I had The Elegant Universe on DVD!

      I told you that you were being unscientific for drawing conclusions with no evidence, and you've done that here with me AGAIN!

      Do you know I actually received emails from people about that post talking about how you weren't listening to anyone and they felt bad for me? I think that if you reread the comments on that post you would see just how you acted, and you'd also see that I never said anything against dark matter or dark energy. Jeez, you think students are the only people who learn about this? I've been getting Scientific American for years! They talk about it constantly!

      Being misunderstood and misquoted pisses me off so much!

    • 3 years ago
  • orionblastar
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      orionblastar  
    • Deli it is good that you are showing true scientific articles instead of the usual religion bashing.

      This is part of what I tried to explain to you in the other thread about science. I had mentioned dark matter and other theories that you claimed where untrue and unscientific. I hope you understand now more of what I had been trying to tell you.

      It is good to see you learn the truth about science for once. I am a bit impressed that you are learning.

      This theory proves that we cannot detect all matter and energy, some of it is undetectable like dark matter and dark energy, but we know it exists because of the gravity effect it has on nearby matter. This does not "prove" that dark matter and dark energy exist, but it does confirm a few theories about them. One cannot 100% prove any theory, but confirm that parts of it might be correct.

    • 3 years ago
  • thewarnerla
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      thewarnerla  
    • simply amazing. I believe dark energy is out there, just listen to the news that raids the airwaves. also, its dark at night, meaning if the sun is the only light, then there must be a whole lot of dark matter and energy out there.

    • 3 years ago
  • damnneargenius
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • Dark Matter has been hypothesized for nearly 2 decades...dark energy on the other hand is a whole nuther bird. Considering what was known and believed in physics in Einstein's magical publication year...1905? I don't recall the exact year that he drew up these theories as a patent clerk. So taking in the fat that he felt he had a massive roadblock type blunder was actually not a blunder at all, just a set of numbers that describe a situation that had not only never been thought of, but in itself dark matter and dark energy are elusive concepts that Im not sure that could have been fully conceived of in that era.

      As far as dark energy consuming us....that is the sort of things that are eons away. Closer on the clock for us, is a collision with the Andromeda Galaxy, the suns expansion past Mars as it burns its helium and grows to consume more, than as helium is spent, it will use iron for nuclear reaction, and then it will shrink back, the 3rd thing that would pose a greater threat than dark energy , at least sooner, is that at the center of the Milky Way is an enourmous black hole, which will in time defeat the centrifugal force of galactic rotation and suck the galaxy right in.

      Everything I just described begins in the 10s of millions of years from now. If you want to base the end of the earth theory on lottery odds, the Apophis Asteroid could slip thru just the right envelope and could strike us in 2029 it stands now as a 2.9%. Then, even if it misses us and passes between the Earth and Moon there is what is called a "gravitational keyhole" it has a 1 in 45,000 chance of passing through, which would put it on a direct collision course with us on April 13th 2036. If that doesn't happen Apophis has one last chance to smack us around. In 2037 it has a 1 in 12.5 million chance.

    • 3 years ago
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  
    • Wait i thought that if 1 atom of dark matter came into contact with 1 atom of matter that it would create a reaction that would make a nuclear blast look like a firecracker? And if there is over 5 times more dark matter in the universe then wouldnt the chances of that happening be idk really good? I guess i need to brush up on my astrophysics

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • fun_size:

      you're thinking of antimatter. dark matter is something completely different....

      and when matter and antimatter collide, it converts the mass of the objects into energy. for example, when an electron and a positron collide, it creates a gamma ray.

    • 3 years ago
  • lannakyla
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      lannakyla  
    • Oh that was a bit off topic wast it. well for those of you who are concerned that you may be consumed by the scary dark matter. think of it as just what fills the space that looks empty kind of like air only it is what air floats in what the planets float in. if you look up from your computer right now you most likely see a lot of objects or walls or whatever surrounds you well dark matter, i would rather call eather is what is between you and whatever object you can see. well eather and air. and so you can see how there is much much more eather than any other kind of matter.

    • 3 years ago
  • lannakyla
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      lannakyla  
    • Is dark matter aether? and isn't Einstein a plagiarist? Im confused about the so called New Discovery. I am almost positive that Mr. Nikola Tesla came up with the aether (free energy) theory long before Einstein even picked up his plagiarist pencil.

    • 3 years ago
  • halcyonrage
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      halcyonrage  
    • if these figures are correct, is the 'dark energy' percentage growing? and what will happen when it consumes us? will we cease to exist, or will 'everything else bounce back to the 'center'?

    • 3 years ago
  • torybart
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      torybart  
    • halcyonrage:

      They think it's growing, when there's enough of it then theoretically without being able to create mass to get more gravity the universe will expand so far that matter will be ripped apart to its most simple properties and eventually the space will cool down so much that motion can no longer take place and everything ceases to exist.

      At least that's how I understand it.

    • 3 years ago
  • deeblackangel
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  • rexmundi
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      rexmundi  
    • i think using the word "dark" to describe this matter and energy is misleading and counter-productive. the label only exists to try and help people understand these subjects more, although i could be wrong.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • orionblastar
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      orionblastar  
    • rexmundi:

      Black holes aren't really black either, they just don't let light out of them so we cannot see them.

      Dark Matter was also named because we couldn't see it, but detect gravitational effects around matter that we could see. Since light does not reflect off Dark Matter and Dark Energy uses frequencies equivalent to a Ghost Network that we cannot detect either it is hard to see what they look like or what energy they give off.

      Both are proof that some things can exist even if you cannot see or detect them in the usual way. They aren't really black or dark, just invisible. Just as you can detect them via gravity, you can detect God by the way he affects people and the way that they change after connecting with God. http://www.saintaquinas.com/belief_in_God.html

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • diabolical44
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      diabolical44  
    • wow. that is just mindblowing. of course its not shocking at all that Einstein was correct, but when you really try to wrap your head around what it means, it's just flabbergasting.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
  • islek
  • Saladin
  • asherp
  • tbowman131
  • div
  • unimatrix0
  • whathefk
  • CCashman
  • guidedtotarget
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      guidedtotarget  
    • So most of the Universe is made up of something that we can't even directly perceive. I wonder if life also developed in the dark matter universe that can't perceive our light matter universe.

    • 3 years ago
  • ScratchyPants
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  • whathefk
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      whathefk  
    • Love this stuff .. dark energy, ooooooh! 75% of everything, thats a whole lot of nuttin or is it something .. I'm confused.

    • 3 years ago
  • Helen_Croydon
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  • m4l1c3
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      m4l1c3  
    • i saw something on this on "the universe" on the history channel last night...how the dark energy is what is causing the universe to expand exponentially

      einstein's greatest blunder eh? he was smarter than even HE gave himself credit for

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
  • blacksix
  • asherp
  • orionblastar
  • lordsbassman
  • cantspascua
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      cantspascua  
    • I saw a National Geographic program about this subject. I guess any extraterrestrials better start making plans to visit our planet soon because the way the universe keeps expanding and galaxies keep drifting apart we may never come across any intelligent life out there to borrow money from to get us out of debt other than China. But seriously really cool in scientific discovery.

    • 3 years ago
  • DistantPlanet
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      DistantPlanet  
    • Hey that looks like my budget! 74% of all my cash goes into this mysterious "Dark Energy" making my debt expand and accelerate. That's the last time I loan Einstein money!

    • 3 years ago
  • jimmypockets
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      jimmypockets  
    • "his greatest blunder" is i think an appropriate phrase for what will eventually be found as truth. i am no intellectual by any means but i do think that eventually we will find that the rules we make are the only ones to apply and that our pool of knowledge is nothing more then a drop of dew on the tree of existence. but hooray for science!

    • 3 years ago
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