Water engine was invented but never developed
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_QxCANUfNQ&feature=related
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NOTOTHEWALL
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I rather use a battery that having to go to the gas station every week!
- 3 years ago
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NOTOTHEWALL
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benzodiazepine
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Yeah -- If it is so simple, why invented but not developed it yet?
Why there is still no explanation?
Or maybe they have one, but still some hidden advantage behind.
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benzodiazepine
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shallowside887
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It is appalling that an innovation of this magnitude could be overlooked by the American public. This invention provides a cheap and efficient way to transition the masses of American cars to non-fossil fuel based vehicles. This video looks like it could be from the late 80's. In the time since then we have spent billions if not trillions of dollars on oil yearly. I feel as though a turn to hydrogen based fuel cells would be beneficial to both the economy and the environment. The shift away from oil is necessary as most of the American public knows. I feel that a movement towards this type of energy would stimulate jobs in the economy as well as provide a much cleaner environment for our children to live in. This is technology that needs to be paid attention to.
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shallowside887
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LASTENCILS
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exaggerated claims do not equal false claims...and hydrogen can be used and is used to power vehicles around the globe and has been in use for some time, the efficiency of creating hydrogen is in much debate( ie. how much power is used to separate water, and is that power produced from coal?which is dirtier/more expensive, petrol or coal? etc...).
the same questions abound when dealing with the air powered car(how much power is spent compressing the air?)
and the electric car(most power from your local grid is still produced by burning coal and can cause a lot higher pollutant/produced electricity ratio than petrol.
Solar or wind are arguably the cleanest methods for producing power, they are just not efficient enough to be public use viable for most applications as yet...but their getting better fast. - 3 years ago
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LASTENCILS
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asherp
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Here's the skinny on Stanley Meyer's fuel cell...
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asherp
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Mobius2012
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Nikola Tesla
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Mobius2012
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sammysoul
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I'm slowly beginning to understand why Bush got elected twice...
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sammysoul
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aswift1
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Google Nikola Tesla- There's a guy who should have had every idea to fall out of his head patented and manufactured. We could have had electric cars 100 plus years ago... Just think of how we could be living now if his technology had been used then.
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aswift1
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sammysoul
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aswift1:
I agree, everybody should know about the great Nikola Tesla.
However, electric cars have been around since 1881, and were actually more popular than gasoline or steam (!) powered cars until the 1920s.
The reason why gasoline won was that the fuel became very cheap and electric cars couldn't drive far for lack of good batteries (which is still a big problem today). For more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car#History - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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Mobius2012
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Cosmic Spiral
I think your referring to the first and second laws of thermodynamics.....you idiot.... Here's an interesting
bilateral article about Hydrogen fuel cell technology - 3 years ago
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Mobius2012
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CosmicSpiral
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Mobius2012:
Thanks a lot for telling me what I already knew?
*smiley face*
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CosmicSpiral
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Mobius2012
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Mobius2012:
So why not be a steward and share your info maturely instead of insulting us?......
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Mobius2012
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CosmicSpiral
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You idiots do realize that what he's proposing runs against the very laws of physics?
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CosmicSpiral
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juani913
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if his water fuel engine didn't really work and all this was really bs then the guy would not have been poisoned. The oil companies would lose everything if this came out in the open. Thats why it never did.
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juani913
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Mobius2012
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juani913:
The guy was poisoned? are you serious?
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Mobius2012
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Justin_Gunn
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juani913:
No, he died of an aneurism...
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Justin_Gunn
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Mobius2012
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WOW! As soon as the reporter said that the pentagon was interested, i already knew what happened!!!!!!! Can you believe? that the industrial/media complex has lied to us, making it seem as though this technology is new and in development, as though it never was., the F%^ING Media LIES To us every F%^ing Day!!!!! like Nothing!!!! WTF? WOW!!!! They've known about this for decades, they've kept it secret because they want us to remain dependent on ^&*^%ing OIL!! Like little F%^&ing Idiots!! They treat us like SH%T in a barn yard!!!!!! When Are WE gonna WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!?? Those bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm really angry by the way......
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Mobius2012
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christt25
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WHAT THE HECK!!! Why are we sooo controlled by the government!
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christt25
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sammysoul
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Why are you guys voting this story up? That's a bogus "invention", the report is from the early 80's (you could have at least used the latest "water car" incarnation named Genepax), and it only takes average education to understand that you cannot create something out of nothing.
Leave that stuff on YouTube where it belongs. Current TV deserves better than that. - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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Britishguy
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This is old news it's a hydrogen fuel engine and it is being developed! Thought this was a news site!
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Britishguy
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christt25
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Britishguy:
It may be an old story, but that's why it's so ridiculous that we haven't done anything with it! How stupid are we??
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christt25
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NFUSA
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How unfortunate that more people don't do things like this! We need these kinds of solutions NOW.
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NFUSA
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nurse607
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Oh yeah, this is for real.
So is cold fusion.
And bigfoot.
And UFO abductions.
And God.
This story is a waste of time...old news - it's a hoax, and all you suckers have been had because you didn't know any better.
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nurse607
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lookatmypix
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nurse607:
Nurse607 you are the king of skepticism, cynicism.
Congratulations. - 3 years ago
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lookatmypix
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Justin_Gunn
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nurse607:
Thanks for the terrific Wiki page, nurse607!
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Justin_Gunn
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denport
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Water run cars have been out for a while. Using an alternator to produce electricity to break down the water has also been around for a long time. Remember science class and breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen.
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denport
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Dr_Dank_Thumb
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anything is possible, someone just has to figure out how to do it.
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CalgarC
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lol imagine a world run by dasani, nestle, and ice mountian instead of exxon or shell
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CalgarC
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petarro
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CalgarC:
LOL! But this could be really bad as water is the main source of life!
The idea is a huge government pipe from the sea to provide sea water, once the process goes on, it will evaporate from each vehicle, then rain will surge and therefore sweet normal water in our mountains.
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petarro
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willyb
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I don't believe articles that are so low on facts. If it is so simple, then why can't anyone explain it? Printing the MPG and showing grainy video of a car with some decals doesn't make the science possible. I want formulas, calculations, and something that makes sense.
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willyb
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2muchinfo
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All lot of things have been invented but never developed. This is due because of the big companies that would loses money if these kind of inventions were developed.
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2muchinfo
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JanforGore
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Water cars are not feasible in a water scarce world. Also, how could it run on water alone? You would be filling it up every few miles! Looks like something oil companies would introduce as a "water car" to play on peoples' ignorance knowing it still needs gas to run to make profit. Again, in a water (potable) water scarce world, this is not feasible. Why people can't push for electric cars is beyond me. And why this made it to the top baffles me even more. I suppose that is because people really do not understand what the world is now going through regarding potable water sources or they just don't care. And haven't we seen this here like many times before already?
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JanforGore
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JanforGore:
Everyone looks for most effective fix as fast as possible. But only a few look into the effects of the quick fix and what it does to the world. For example biofuel for me is a good idea yet bad idea at the same time. Biofuel uses food sources "ethanol=corn" which if ever put into mass production would cause prices to raise and corn to disappear slowly.
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2muchinfo
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JanforGore:
Biofuel can be made from various substances, not only corn. Making it from corn is actually the least efficient way of doing it (you're only getting out 10% of the energy you put in to grow and process the corn to fuel).
The most promising biofuels will be from switchgras and other grases and weeds, also probably oil from algae that can be grown either on the ocean or on land. - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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sammysoul
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Btw, if you want to believe and promote a car instead that uses one of the elements as fuel and actually works without faking it, check out The Aircar. At least that's a serious project and not some stunt that gets airtime on your local TV station every time the oil price is up again.
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sammysoul
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sammysoul
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For all of you who don't care about basic laws of thermodynamics and still believe in perpetual-motion machines, here's a possible explanation for how this car (and the Japanese version Mr. petarro!) is working (see link):
"It is actually possible to make a car look like it runs on water without breaking the first law of thermodynamics. The way it's usually done is with metal hydrides. These react with water to produce hydrogen, which is then used to power the car. But since these hydrides will deplete with time, they need to be replaced and so they are actually the fuel, not the water. And you can be sure that more energy will go into producing them than will be taken out, making them an energy carrier, just like a battery." - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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bkurtz21
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This is very real..... god bless Stephen Meyer for his fantastic invention. Unfortunately he was killed for oil profits and they dressed it up to look like accident. Notice in the broadcast how an "official from the pentagon" was coming to review Meyer's invention for a possible usage in the National defense system and possibly powering tanks off it. Horrible that this man and another great Tesla were buried despite their colossal impacts toward humanity.
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sammysoul
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bkurtz21:
His "invention" is not his, and is called a fuel cell and is the opposite of a secret. Believe me, there are hundreds of thousands of people working on making the hydrogen economy a viable alternative to our oil-based transportation system. Hopefully it will become reality sooner than later.
The hydrogen will then be hopefully created with electricity from renewable sources (ocean, wind, and solar power) and will come from countries like Iceland, Argentina, Algeria etc.
For the US itself, I think cars with simple electric engines that are plugged in are much more effective and efficient (you save 2 conversion steps: water -> hydrogen -> electricity). - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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petarro
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So, this is the video that you all are complaining about I assume. The Description explains:
"A Japanese venture company, Genepax, has unveiled a car on that runs on water. All it requires is a litre of water. In fact, any kind of water to be exact, whether its river, rain, sea water, or even Japanese tea. Its an electric powered car that runs solely on hydrogen dioxide. "
Also, "Once water is poured into the cars tank, AN ENERGY GENERATOR takes hydrogen from the water..."
So, if the freaking car has a dependency on a battery that could last, who knows how much and it can be either charged or regenerates. WHO CARES!?
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petarro
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petarro
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I don't understand the wish to step on to this Engine. It is obvious the engine also depends on another source, hence the battery that is always mentioned in these videos. Initially, a battery powers the process and then the battery is re-generated. So, if the movement of the needs 20% electric 80% water power, it is still a Water Powered Car.
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petarro
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Justin_Gunn
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Amen, sammysoul! But I agree with stopnoise that it is important to highlight this debate for discussion. It's not that I wish to suppress this story (whether bogus or not) but that I'd like to illuminate the history around this long heralded, but spurious claim.
If anyone has meaningful proof of a "water powered car" that works as discussed above, I'd love to have you point us to that online...
I believe it was Carl Sagan who said, "It's important to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out!"
;-)
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Justin_Gunn
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petarro
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Justin_Gunn:
Justin, why do I get a felling of plot from you?
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petarro
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sammysoul
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Apart from Justin, have all of you forgotten what you learned in physics class back in High School?
If this engine would work just on water alone it would be a perpetually running machine, which is impossible. Imagine the process:
You need electricity to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen, then you combine the two to create electricity again. There's nothing gained here, hence without an outside power source this car won't move an inch. This story is complete BS. The "inventor" in the clip is probably using some hidden car batteries to keep the process running. "22 gallons to cross the US", come on, that should already tell you that the story is a joke.
Hydrogen is not an energy source in itself, it is only a means of storing energy. Big difference! You need to expend energy (from fossil or renewable sources) first to create hydrogen. Then that hydrogen can be used to create electricity in a car for instance.
In my opinion, we will have plug-in electric cars before we'll have hydrogen cars, simply because you can save yourself the unnecessary step of creating hydrogen.
Lastly, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is! - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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sammysoul:
Sammysoul, I don't see this as a perpetual motion machine as you indicated because the fuel source is hydrogen that is electrically extracted from water then combusted, not the electricity itself as you indicate. If the inventor was claiming it ran on electricity,then your comment would be true. However, since it requires that the fuel source, water, be replenished this isn't so. If it was a perpetual motion machine then it would also produce the water it needed to produce the hydrogen, which, obviously, it doesn't.
I don't see why this type of vehicle wouldn't be possible with an on-board generator that would create continual electrical current, that would produce a continual stream of hydrogen from water. Like an alternator in your car, it would generate electricity that would be used to extract the hydrogen as the engine is running, must like a regular auto generates electricity using gasoline. Your first hydrogen fill up might have to be from an external source to get process going but after than I see no reason why, as long as the vehicle had water and could store excess hydrogen that this idea wouldn't work.
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Mark701
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sammysoul
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sammysoul:
The crucial point here is that water is not a fuel source in itself. So you have to first use some form of energy to split the hydrogen from the oxygen.
Now the 1st law of thermodynamics comes into play, i.e. in this case the splitting of H2O in the first step and the subsequent burning of H2 cannot create more energy then there was used to split the H2O in the first place.
If that would actually be the case you would have created a perpetual motion machine, which goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which basically states that there are no 100% efficient conversions, you'll always create so-called entropy or 'loss' in the form of heat.Apart from your argument there's also the issue that hydrogen has a very low energy density (since hydrogen is the lightest known atom), which means you would get very little power out of the hydrogen that's in a single water bottle. That's why the car manufacturers experiment with tanks of pressurized or liquefied hydrogen to get some reasonable mileage per filling.
Like I said, just the fact that the guy in the video states it would only take him 22 gallons of water to cross the US already invalidates the whole story as fake.Hydrogen might become our favorite means of energy storage, once the infrastructure is built to split vast amounts of ocean water using renewable energy. So you'll basically be able to power your car or home with ocean/wind/solar energy via hydrogen as the energy carrier. Until then we should start using plug-in hybrids or pure electric vehicles since electric engines convert electricity with a 90% efficiency whereas a gasoline engine barely reaches 20% (i.e. 80% is wasted as heat).
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sammysoul
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petarro
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Not at all. This is not really a scam. Just because some idiot posted something about it, then it's fake?
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petarro
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stopnoise
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Then it is official, this is a scam! My apologies to everyone I sent emails recommending it! Leaving the post here sure will prevent others from posting this again in the future.
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stopnoise
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Justin, if THIS were actually 'true', then NO amount of MONEY in the world could have held this back!
So where are they? A figment in somebodies overactive imagination?
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petarro
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This is exactly what we need! Salt water cars!
It is disturbing to see these people building the engines we needed a decade ago! Why didn't they emerge and will the current ones actually emerge?
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petarro
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Justin_Gunn
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Really, pinchot? Have you looked into these claims for yourself or are you just responding with a knee jerk conspiratorial retort?
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damnneargenius
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Justin_Gunn:
I thought "knee jerk conspiratorial retorts" are the only catalyst for half the debates here in the world of interactive media?
I like that phrase though. I'm going to coin the acronym KJCR and add it to my word arsenal for future reference. lol
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damnneargenius
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Justin_Gunn:
LOL - I always felt we suffered from TMA - Too Many Acronyms! ;-)
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Justin_Gunn:
Justin-gunn do you think oil companies are letting patents and inventions for alternative fuels to be revealed as potentially good?
Do you know how much is their profit?
Many patents were hidden since gasoline became the only source of profitable fuel.
There is definitely a lack of focus in researching alternatives but mainly a lack of economical support.
Why is that?
I think you need to research on this matter a little more, you need to wonder why didn't we come up yet with a viable alternative with all the genius we are capable of. How about you research for your self and look up these very old patents.Thomas Davenport, from Vermont, built an electric car in 1835, which was road worthy and patented it. That is only one of many and was created 175 years ago. - 3 years ago
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lookatmypix
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Justin_Gunn:
OMG. WTF? LOL.
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pinchot
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the oil companies buy these plans and sit on them because they make much more profit with gasoline engines. meanwhile heat waves kill people all around the world.
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pinchot:
Did you not look? Its all B.S. Your conspiracy theory is misguided.
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Justin_Gunn
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How old is this video? From the early 80's, maybe? They mention the "Star Wars Defense system" for crying out loud!
This is not news, folks, just an old yarn unfurled and wrapped around a new generation of credulous minds...
Check out this debunking of the "Water powered car myth" on ecogeek.org or do a little online sleuthing for yourself - there are plenty of resources warning about this classic B.S. story.
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Justin_Gunn
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stopnoise
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Justin_Gunn:
I did some research before selection because initially I thought this was a scam. I'll check out your link. Thanks for dropping in.
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stopnoise
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petarro
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Justin_Gunn:
The system clearly explains it needs electricity to get going.
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petarro
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sammysoul
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Justin_Gunn:
Exactly, it needs to be plugged in, lol. So it's actually a hydrogen fuel cell engine that you have to fill up with water and that needs to be plugged in.
That's f'in hillarious!
The automobile manufacturers call that I think on-board hydrogen fuell cell car. Nothing new or revolutionary at all. It's actually very inefficient, expensive and impractical to create the hydrogen in your car. Better fill up hydrogen directly or just use plug-in electric engines without taking the hydrogen detour. - 3 years ago
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sammysoul
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petarro
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Justin_Gunn:
Wow, you clearly did not understand the point in breaking "dependencies". Again, you can fill it up with sea water, tea, etc! If it needs a stupid battery to get charged eventually, well, it's perfect, we will do this in the future anyway.
Government could use dirty water or not potable water for the cars, after the process, the elements evaporate, creating condensation and therefore rain and further clean water sources.
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petarro
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Justin_Gunn:
I rather use a battery that have to go to the gas station every week!
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NOTOTHEWALL
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blknight
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I heard this man was murdered and it was made to look like a drunken accident falling off a train...
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blknight:
kinda like the DeLorean DMC-12 guy
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mram49
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The same thing was thought up with hydrogen.. good luck with it, but I have a hunch it's actually BS.
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mram49:
I belive siemens developed a technology for use in public busses in the city of chiago. I belive the idea was that they would pass the nucleus of a water molecule through a screen and the electrons would travel around the screen along conductors to get back to the nucleus, while doing so they were used to power the generator.
I'm not exactly sure I went to a event a seimens about five years ago and this is basically what i recall the speaker saying.
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fussa
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I think that the oil companies will buy the patent and bury it next to jimmy hoffa
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fussa
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fussa:
dank thumb i think your right
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fussa:
Thats what they did!!!!!!!!!!! :{
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Mobius2012
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fussa:
They can't buy it unless the guy chooses to sell it. Given that his motivation is to protect the US from oil embargoes, it seems unlikely it would be up for sale. Also, if he's smart, he'll realize that he can make a lot more money on royalties than what the oil companies offer. Let's keep our fingers crossed that he does the right thing.
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Mark701
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csmonut
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I know a man that has taken his older Chevy truck and done pretty much the same thing.
He says his doesn't work with fuel injection engines. - 3 years ago
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csmonut
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jahbini
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I'll buy two!
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stopnoise
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If you can use any type of water that seems to be a good way to go!
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stopnoise