Coming Soon: A Breathalyzer in Every Car?
source: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1907493,00.html
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States wouldn't have to abide by the ruling, but there would be heavy pressure to conform, since states that don't adopt the mandate could lose their highway funds. "The national 21 minimum drinking age and the .08% law [for allowable alcohol in the bloodstream] both resulted from federal highway sanctions. History tells us that this approach works," says Laura Dean-Mooney of MADD. So far only 11 states require interlocks for anyone with one conviction who is currently driving on a DUI-restricted license.
Opponents of the MADD push for stricter laws warn that a federal interlock requirement would serve as a Trojan horse, opening the way for even more sophisticated interlock technology that would be required on every car sold in the U.S., according to Sarah Longwell, managing director of the American Beverage Institute, which lobbies on behalf of taverns and restaurants. "If you go to the ball game and happen to have a beer you wouldn't be able drive home," she says.
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medinasoul
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valence that is just ridiculous speculation... and just a ridiculous way to justify drunk driving in my opinion
- 2 years ago
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medinasoul
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krush_productions
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Word, another reason I just ride a bike. Although a friend of mine got a CUI (cycling under the influence) a couple years ago.
- 2 years ago
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krush_productions
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mountainboy2005
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i am all about safe drivers and people not driving but if we put these locks in all new cars "punish" all drivers for a populace of law breakers. i dont drink and drive myself, and find myself on the otherside of being the driver myself, but if i needed the choice of being responsible and having one beer with dinner then driving home i have it. it comes down to responsible decision making as adults
- 2 years ago
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mountainboy2005
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jaystyx
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I’m all for decreasing drunk driving incidents, but I think this is overkill. Many people who get a DUI suffer enough for their mistake and learn their lesson.
People make mistakes and deserve second chances.
- 2 years ago
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jaystyx
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medinasoul
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jaystyx:
I have to disagree Jay. It's not overkill. Overkill is the irresponsibility of people who drink and drive excessively without thinking about what will happen as a consequence. I mean someone could die as a result of their behavior! You say many people suffer and their mistake. I don't know if thats true, but what about the minority that don't? I have quite a few family members with multiple DUIs and they are idiots! I think this is a great step to take. The only downside is that there would be ways around it (i.e. getting a sober friend to blow into it, etc.) There will probably never be a foolproof system. But at least this is a step in the right direction.
- 2 years ago
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medinasoul
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jaystyx
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jaystyx:
There is a difference between first time offenders and repeat offenders. Someone who gets one DUI, accepts their punishment and learns their lesson should not have to drive around with a breathalyzer.
It gives people the impression that you are a raging alcoholic, when you just a human being who made a mistake.
- 2 years ago
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jaystyx
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medinasoul
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jaystyx:
Well I think they are. You think cuz someone got caught once that it was their first time driving drunk? No it probably wasnt and it probably won't be their last time. I think these things are a definite necessity for people who drink and drive.
- 2 years ago
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medinasoul
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Torch911
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I come from the DWI capital of the US where we already require "blow-up cars" for DWI offenders. The breathalyzer is in a position where having a passenger lean over isn't possible. The newer models also do not require anywhere near as much blowing as before, it used to be an asthma test, now a steady breath will do the job.
I'd prefer we save these devices for people who show they need them. It's not cheap to install one and it costs even more to reactivate the car after you trigger it.
On the other side, top story in NM this week is a drunk-driver who drove the wrong way on a freeway and T-boned a car of teenagers going to a party. 3 dead, 1 critically injured, he's fine.
- 2 years ago
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Torch911
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cztheday
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How would one prevent a less-drunk pasenger from leaning over and putting the necessary breath into the starter lock, I wonder?
I don't drink, but I used to manage restaurants that served alcohol. A pattern I saw repeated hundreds of times was the guy who would bring his date in for dinner. He would have somewhere between 4 and 32 drinks, while she had one or MAYBE two...
Then they would go out to the parking lot, climb into his piece-of-shit pickup truck, and HE would be driving (from which we derive the term "macho drunk dipshit"). But you gotta KNOW that if he couldn't get the POS pickup started, he would have her do the breathalyzer if at all possible and then he would take back the wheel (CONTROLLING macho drunk dipshit -- or is that redundant?).
As a courtesy to our guests, I installed a breathalyzer in one of the restaurants I managed. The idea was that they could check to see if they were impaired before leaving. If so, they could pick a more sober member of their party to drive or perhaps call a cab and come back to collect their vehicle the next day.
We provided disposable straws in which to blow that were thrown away after each use -- just in case you were wondering (I remember thinking, "ewwwwwww" when I first saw the device until the sales rep showed me that feature).
But we had to pull it out of the place less than a month after we installed it. The reason? Virtually every night there would be some group of idiots who would sit at the bar and do shots and then blow in the device to see who could get the highest BAC without passing out...and then they would drive off at closing time. I was afraid my breathalyzer was going to kill someone (no good idea goes unpunished in modern America)...
- 2 years ago
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cztheday
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MirrorLake
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MilchMann: "...you also have to hum at the same time to prevent children from using the device for you apparently. The point here is that it would be discriminate against elderly, people with illnesses, people who have had a lung removed, and generally anyone else who can not blow hard enough and/or hum at the same time to operate the stupid thing."
Not to mention people who use mouth-wash before they're out the door to work. I would have to remove mouth-wash from my morning routine.
Educating children from a younger age that alcohol and driving do not mix is probably a better solution.
- 2 years ago
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MirrorLake
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ungwigwi
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would you ride airline if you saw a breathalyser in the cockpit.....?? this begs other questions
- 2 years ago
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ungwigwi
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jadewuzlyke
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I know somebody that has one in his car. He has no lung problems that I know of, and it's really hard for him to blow hard enough in the breathalyzer. And it requires he do that every fifteen or ten minutes, so, really, that would cause him to get in a wreck more than anything. Jeezus.
- 2 years ago
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jadewuzlyke
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MilchMann
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Driving drunk is stupid... MADD is stupid... and everyone knows someone who has died from a drunk driving accident (sort of)... has anyone actually looked up the statistics on this?
Number of fatalities in 2007, a whopping 15,387... number of people who just peed in there pants because they think that number is to low... countless!!! This number has a trend of declining by the way...
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html
That is the first one that came up... there might be more "official numbers" but that is pretty close to what they all say, I have looked this up numerous times.There are approximately 30,000 incorporated cities in the Untied States... so close enough to only half of them had someone killed two years ago... hmmm
Is this something worth subjecting everyone to? No, the answer is no, drunk driving is bad, it should be punished severely and it should be put in the spot light, but to inconvenience the masses, and discriminate against the handicapped to ween out the few is a VERY VERY bad idea.
For those of you who have a twisted since of humor by the way... there is a bumper sticker floating around...
DAMM
Drunks Against Mad MothersI have a feeling most people take it off after the third or fourth time they get pulled over, but I have seen it a few times... cracks me up every time too.
- 2 years ago
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MilchMann
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Sam_the_Wizer
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A close friend of mine died a month ago in a drunk driving accident. A week before her crash a friend took her keys from her to keep her from driving. There's not always going to be someone there to take the keys. I'm not really fond of this idea either, but I'd prefer it to losing any more friends.
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Sam_the_Wizer
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xiola
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I know we have too many laws. I'm not a fan of more regulations. But I hate drunk driving soooo much. I know so many people who have been killed by drunk drivers or driving drunk themselves. Drunk driving is so pervasive and devastating. There's really no good reason to drive drunk. I'm torn on this one.
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xiola
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trelk
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this has as much to do with how are cities are built as it does with poor judgment. this kind of thing does not happen so much in europe because they don't have to go 15 miles to get to the "local" bar. there is usually a pub on every street and a lot of them have a children's playground on the premises so that the kids can play while the parents get pissed...err...drunk. and everyone walks home together.
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trelk
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MilchMann
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trelk:
ding ding ding... I think we have a winner on two fronts... keep people from driving at all by providing them with more efficient means of travel... or maybe we should all switch to mopeds with jack balls on the antenna... hmmm....
- 2 years ago
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MilchMann
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oomlaut
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Riiight. So we encourage them to drink, punish them for it, and then force everyone to suffer for it. That's lame.
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oomlaut
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DeliaTheArtist
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oomlaut:
"So we encourage them to drink, punish them for it, and then force everyone to suffer for it. That's lame." What? Who's encouraging who to drink? Plus, I'm pretty sure we are talking about punishing people who are driving drunk, not just drinking.
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DeliaTheArtist
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oomlaut
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oomlaut:
This is a drinking society. It infiltrates pretty much any aspect of our daily lives. We're told relaxing with friends in the evening should be done in a bar, or social setting if where we can drink, we have commercials that tell us what drinking specific types of alcohol says about our personalities. This is especially true in smaller communities. The bigger cities have more to do, but in the smaller cities and college towns, THE recreational activity is to drink, and it's definitely encouraged.
- 2 years ago
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oomlaut
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DeliaTheArtist
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oomlaut:
Well, I personally like to drink but c'mon now. Have some personal responsibility. As everyone's mother said, "If everyone jumped off the brooklyn bridge, would you?"
Plus that still doesn't address the point that there is a difference between drinking with friends and drinking and driving.
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DeliaTheArtist
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oomlaut
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oomlaut:
And I would never disparage the idea that personal responsibility comes into play, I'm just more of the mind that preventative treatment is the answer, not after-the-fact stopgap measures.
- 2 years ago
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oomlaut
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tommytripper
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thanks but no thanks... i am sick and tired of this nanny state BS... just toss dui's on public road side clean up duty for 3 years yard thier licence for life and call it a day.
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tommytripper
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stevieuk
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This is a good thing and should be done all over, am sure everyone would be up for this, why not it saves life
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stevieuk
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DeliaTheArtist
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A horrible incident just happened in my hometown. It involved an illegal immigrant who was driving his boss's car. The guy got tanked at some local bar and decided to drive it home- instead, he hit a mother and child as they were crossing the street; the child was pinned against a wall and died on impact, the mother was run over and died on the way to the hospital. Everyday I drive by the building where it happened; people have set up a memorial with flowers, stuffed animals and a place to write things. Truly a heartbreaking story.
I'm usually not for more and more government regulations but I'm having trouble seeing the downside in this!
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DeliaTheArtist
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manfreddrake
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More stupid regulation! The solution is simple; drive drunk, NO more license, drive with no license, NO more car, cause a death while drunk at the wheel, take over financial responsibility for the family or go to prison for 25 years. OR, just hire off duty cops as bartenders!
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manfreddrake
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a_tribe_called_tron
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seriously can't help but to laugh when i see people breathing into one of those things before they're able to start their car.
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a_tribe_called_tron
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Sam_the_Wizer
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Until this happens, I'm just punching people in the face if they attempt to drive drunk. Think about that next time you're out at a bar or party. I might be the guy right next to you.
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Sam_the_Wizer
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becktionary83
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Sam_the_Wizer:
Funny, I've actually seen that happen once.
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becktionary83
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Valence
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Sam_the_Wizer:
lol you don't want to fight a drunk personl,lol.
- 2 years ago
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Valence
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Valence
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Unless you put the dang thing smack dead in the middle of the steering wheel,i don't see how a drunken person would even bother with using it.
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Valence
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sarahlane
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Valence:
They wouldn't have a choice... the car wouldn't start unless they blew a safe number.
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sarahlane
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MilchMann
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Valence:
You also have to blow into them every five minutes to insure you did not crack one open after you started the vehicle... scary as hell to be in a car with someone trying to use one of those things while they are driving down the highway.
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MilchMann
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Valence
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Valence:
So the car can shut down while your driving on the high way or outside of a bar that has just closed and its 2 in the morning and your phone is dead and no one is around?
Interesting idea to raise the crime rate by like 10%.
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Valence
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singrrr
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I think this is a really good idea, just last week a 19 year old wrapped his car around a tree in my neighborhood and died. Until something like this is reality, DESIGNATE DRIVERS people! It will save your life!
- 2 years ago
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singrrr
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sarahlane
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Hmm, I can't really think of why this isn't a great idea! Drunk people often have poor judgement anyway.
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sarahlane
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MilchMann
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sarahlane:
I have never personally had a DWI, but I have an uncle who had one of these things for a while (hes the black sheep)... he also chain smokes, with his emphysema he sometimes could not blow through the device hard enough for it to register... you also have to hum at the same time to prevent children from using the device for you apparently. The point here is that it would be discriminate against elderly, people with illnesses, people who have had a lung removed, and generally anyone else who can not blow hard enough and/or hum at the same time to operate the stupid thing.
Plus if you are looking to give people a reason to hang onto gas guzzling cars... I think you might have just found yourself a perfect solution!!! - 2 years ago
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MilchMann
