Apple's New OS Rotten at its Core
source: http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/09/04/will-snow-leopard-be-apples-windows-vist...
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Start it off with the numerous program incompatibilities that upgrading the OS has resulted in; over 100 programs have been reported as ill functioning to non functioning. Your worst case scenario is the (soon to be) dreaded "Spinning Wheel of Doom" where your system is rendered inoperable.
Flash and Java take a hit in their versioning, in fact, the pair are scaled back a few generations making them very vulnerable to exploits that were once thought fixed-- while at the same time making the end user unawares of the downgrade. With threats like remote exploit at the ready, this is a very costly oversight.
That being said, there really isn't much to see with the new OS that wasn't there before in some form. Is it worth the upgrade?
What do you think: does this merit the comparison to Microsoft's troubles getting Vista off the ground? Has Snow Leopard lived up to the hype? Or is this case just full of worms?
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JohnnySoftware
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Read these articles instead - http://gizmodo.com/5352889/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-the-complete-guide. They have pros and cons in them.
This, on the other hand, article is flaky and the poster massively distorted it by radically changing the actual title. Quite a train wreck.
- 2 years ago
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JohnnySoftware
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JohnnySoftware
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There were clearly "versioning" issues between Mac OS X applications/utilities and some drivers. This resulted in a kind of "indian burn" for users; the OS progressed, yet some software did things that were not supported and did not get allowed in the new OS. Snow Leopard's security changes might have tripped up some benign software that was doing things in an unorthadox or sloppy fashion too.
These are not good signs but they are not necessarily signs that Apple messed up. You would have to look at each individual application as a separate case. Then, make a determination of whether a feckless change in the OS or a risky piece of code in an old application was at fault. If you looked at "root causes" for enough cases, you could determine if changes made to the OS were at fault or not. I have not seen anyone writing articles bother to do that yet. This one was no exception, so I see no justification for the title.
Including an outdated Java in Snow Leopard was not ideal, however, running Software Updates in the Apple icon menu will install the latest Java. Apple actually contributes a lot of the bug fixes to the main Java baseline, so just by having a Mac users are typically getting fixes not included in say the same version number for a different platform, like Windows or Linux. Go back and look at 1.4.1->1.4.2. It was a boatload of fixes by Apple to Java for everybody. Obviously, Apple had those fixes first.
The article missed the fact that the Flash plugin was out of date. Looking at the havoc that has visited on Windows in 2009, I would have focused on that instead. Also, the fact the that Adobe Acrobat Reader plugin was not installed saved most Mac users from the nightmare many Windows users and companies had from July 2009-December 2009. Just one of the issues it was responsible for is the email and source code hacking that infuriated Google, as it expressed this weak in the China-gate hacking issue. Acrobat Reader plugin, not Java, was the ball to have your eye on the past two quarters.
Snow Leopard upgrade from Leopard did some great things for Mac users: 1) freed up 4-5 GB of disk space (yep, anti-bloat), 2) made "Services" in the Apple icon menu more manageable for users, 3) improved the Mail application again, 4) added some security features to cope with today's cybercrook-addled Internet/Web, 5) incorporated new features that software developers can take advantage of now for faster performance.
In general, Snow Leopard seems faster than its predecessor. It certainly boots and shuts down faster - which Windows 7 upgrade also accomplishes. Snow Leopard (10.6) was a small to medium OS upgrade and was priced very affordably for 10.5 users ($29). Some apps and utilities broke, and needed to be upgraded. Almost all such upgrades were free. Personally, I had one that was not, and that is it.
- 2 years ago
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JohnnySoftware
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beatnik_kid
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Hahaa. You Applers, calm down too.
I think that the original poster's sentiment is slightly exaggerated (out of frustration, maybe?), but it is not so far fetched.
For example; after installing Snow Leopard, my Mac Pro wouldn't detect the second monitor, and furthermore, my attempt to open some of Adobe Flash files that I was working on just before the installation, has caused the application to crash continuously.
So, I had to go through every official documents that Apple has released with regard to Snow Leopard, to see if I could find out why it was happening. No help. Then, after I've heard the usual ( "We have no idea what's going on since Adobe Flash is the third party software." "We don't know what is causing the problem since the OS is fairly new.") from Apple and Adobe, I had to come up with a bypass by myself (It turned out nothing was wrong with Adobe Flash nor the files. It was the OS' new font-embedding-procedure related, and I'm guessing this is one of the reasons why the Flash Player is automatically downgraded when the new OS is installed).
Fine, I will let go of this new OS' problems with my second monitor, Griffin Firewave, or USB printer, since they don't greatly trouble my work schedule. However, considering Adobe Flash is one of the major design applications, Apple's failure of fixing this glitch before the new OS' release (or notifying it to the users after the release) seems less professional to me. And what disheartens me more is that I have never had this kind of problems with their previous OS upgrade / update before.
So, yeah. Is Snow Leopard as bad as Vista? I don't think so. But if I say those ruckus I ran into on the installation didn't remind me of the incidents when Vista was installed, I'd be lying.
Right now, I don't have enough energy to proof-read what I've just wrote. Your pardon is begged.
- 2 years ago
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beatnik_kid
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couldntfindausername
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Oh for crying out loud - what is wrong with people that they need to think their chosen consumer product is the be-all and end-all of everything?
Of *course* there are problems with the new mac OS. There were problems with the old one. And the one before that. There will be problems with the next one, and the one after that, and the one after that.
Same goes for MS.
Why do people get personally involved in their OS? I'd understand the evangelical articles and comments if they were coming from the code monkeys who *write* operating systems - but the folk only using them? That's just sad.
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couldntfindausername
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heimbachae
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Wow, troll article TO THE MAXX!!!! There are always going to be some incompatibilities with the first gen of software/hardware. There was another article that said developers already have 10.6.1 in their hands and are testing it out, so just chill.
P.s. I want you to watch the 7 launch very closely and if I don't get a similar article written your ass is going on troll alert.
- 2 years ago
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heimbachae
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JohnnySoftware
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heimbachae:
I agree. Personally, I have noticed that the first month after a Mac OS X 10.x version comes out, there is often one serious serious problem discovered. As far as I can recall, these are usually identified/explained by the second month and usually an update during the second month corrects the problem. Plus, the problems have involved features I do not make use of - testers use/configure their Macs *too much* like me!
Snow Leopard was pretty much the same as usual. I have not read of anyone having or finding problems in it for months. There have been updates, so sure, it had bugs & fixes. The updates seem like they are in non-core parts of the operating system. Clearly, the title of this web page is just plain wrong.
- 2 years ago
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JohnnySoftware
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bombastinator
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Where are these horrible reviews? Everything I've seen has been positive. I've seen the incompatibility list and the number isn't 100+ it's 27. A lot of it is weird and wildly old stuff like software for the clie' (a sony palm pilot clone from the 90's)
There is some similarity to vista though in that it is a primarily under hood change that doesn't do much to the GUI. Unlike vista the changes generally make machines run faster rather than slower. Except for the software incompatibilities, which I haven't run into myself, I would say it's worth the 30 bucks. Not $160 for the full upgrade (you need leopard for the $30 upgrade to work), but definitely $30.
This sounds to me like microsoftie spin.
- 2 years ago
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bombastinator
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Juas
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I am using Snow Leopard as of right now and I dont have any complains. Of course, like all mayor updates, some bugs are to happen, but then comes a software update that fixes the problem up.
SL is tigher, faster and less RAM hogger. I like it. Im sticking with it.
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Juas
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beatnik_kid
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It is not as bad as Vista's initial version. I am highly positive on that.
Still, it's quite ... underwhelming. Nothing to go on and exercise 10 hours road rage for, but the biggest problem I am having right now is its incompatibility with the newest version of Adobe Flash and Griffin Firewave, and its clumsy behavior with printer drivers of Bonjour / USB printers.
Anyway, it looks like its first patch is already on its way. (http://gizmodo.com/5352907/first-snow-leopard-patch-released-to-developers).
- 2 years ago
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beatnik_kid
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Sikander
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I have been running Snow Leopard for a few days now and it's pretty awesome. I got around 10 gigs of HD space back, the OS seems more stable, and it runs faster as well. Even FCP seems more stable now than it was before.
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Sikander
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callaway17
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i've been running Snow Leopard fine. people are just over reacting. it is in now way Vista.
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callaway17
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surefirenelc
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surefirenelc:
troll quality 1/2 star
- 2 years ago
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bombastinator
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SDLN
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I haven't upgraded since Tiger (if it ain't broke...).
And I dumped Windows on my PC for Ubuntu (if it is broke...).
OS X isn't perfect, but at least there are reliable versions that work just fine, which clearly distinguishes it from Vista. Also, knowing Apple, 10.6.1 will be available via Software Update soon, which will remedy some, if not most, of the problems, yet another distinction between the OS's.
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SDLN
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lvp
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So glad I didn't upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard.
What's with all the cat names? Can't we go back to numbers?
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lvp
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RonenA
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lvp:
The cats are codenames for the numbers. Right now Mac OS is on version 10 (as in OS X) and version 10.6 is known as snow leopard.
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RonenA
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lvp
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lvp:
Yes I know that but I still find it hard to keep track of when people only mention the cats and not the numbers.
Thanks for the info though.
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lvp
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JohnnySoftware
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lvp:
Here are last few names/# and you can read the full list here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Versions
Snow Leopard - 10.6
Leopard - 10.5
Tiger - 10.4
I think it is easier for people to distinguish between new/old version using cat names, but I agree - remembering whether Cheetah or Puma is older is more difficult than going by the numbers!People are really happy with Snow Leopard. There was some dicey condition having to do with how you used "guest" accounts, if you had existing ones but doubt most people use them at all.
There were version issues with the number of third party apps requiring upgrades being as slightly higher than one would expect for a normal Mac upgrade; despite this being billed as a minor upgrade.
Everyone is long past those issues. The vast majority of Mac users upgraded to Snow Leopard, and the $29 Leopard => Snow Leopard upgrade was a best-seller on Amazon for a while.
By contrast, read the news for Windows. Its users had upgrade issues too, the online store's downloads did not work at first, nobody could get a straight answer out of Microsoft for a week or two as to what a "legal" upgrade situation was, they had to wrestle with a lot of different products instead of just "Windows 7", etc. So it things were not as simple as Snow Leopard upgrade vs. buy for Mac users.
The real thing was that Windows 7 had malware that worked on it right out of the starting gate. http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses...
October-December 2009 were a "high risk" for Windows users. The whole year was bad; going from Conficker USB/LAN worm at the beginning of the year to Zeus online banking robber for IE, and lots of Flash/Acrobat hacking the last half of the year (read Google's revelations about how cybercrooks used malicious Adobe Acrobat PDF files to steal info).
Mac users are not reported as having these problems and I think if their bank accounts were robbed, they would report it. As usual, it was a quiet year for Mac users.
So yeah, Snow Leopard users pretty happy.
- 2 years ago
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JohnnySoftware
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testafi
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I've been running Snow Leopard since it was released and I have no problems with it. In fact my Macbook is running faster now.
To compare a $30 unnecessary upgrade to Vista is a bold and implicating statement that dies with a bit of commonsense. Don't sensationalize.
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testafi
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dgarc87
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testafi:
There's no sensationalization going on. I admin many a Mac AND PC at my office, and I've gotten a mixed bag of results both ways.
True-- it is an unnecessary $30 upgrade to Snow Leopard. That $30 is well spent if you get a beneficial result. If, however, you have a case of broken features, you tend to lose money over said "unnecessary upgrade". That $30 starts adding on to program costs, operation costs, and before you know it, you're footing a rather extensive bill.
Take it on the flip side, going over to Vista. The upgrade WAS necessary, if only to modernize a hardware set and create a set of modern API's to be leveraged. Vista failed drastically as an OS, but we are left with powerful machines that have been stipended for the benefit of launching a new hardware line.
In both cases, we can claim sensationalization. The point of this, however, wasn't to raise that argument-- just simply to glean an opinion: is Snow Leopard worth it? You state that it is, and I respect that. I retroactively loathe the comparison to Vista, however, feel that Apple is heading towards the generic strife that MS felt-- monetary value aside.
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dgarc87
