Gulf Oil Disaster "Looks Very Scary", Says Astronaut

You're up against the wall then. Jesus is the only one who can stop their carnage and apply his ransom sacrifice to the healing restoration work this planet so badly needs.

You go get some friends and see how sitting there squinting your eyes fixes a broken toy.

Yeah, I know i'm up against the wall with many jesus loving zombies all around me praying at them selfs wishing for a mirical. We all got to get off asses and do something before its too late. You called your self a broken toy, christian. Logic and reason will help you faith will destroy you.

You have a dead dial tone here man. I've had enough miracles so many they're falling all over me already. The angel reaching into my chest doing a heart fix in May 2008 was gosh a plenty. I didn't need to see a hand I felt the force when it slapped my sternum then when it came out it had something extra the size of a small 1/2 inch diameter bolt.

You want logic and reason? Find a Bible, a tie and a Kingdom Hall. We'll blow you away with more than your pea closed brain can EVER hold. Unless you like your cozy little nest that conveniently lumps us in with all them.

Well, too bad. I tried, I really did, see ya! Got other people waiting.

This will far surpass the Ixtoc gusher and due to the lies told about all statistics in this case, by now most likely has. This will result in the killing of at least one third of all ocean life planet wide. Your own life will be profoundly and very adversely affected by it. Cheers.

I love that question.

Dr_Who said: "What is that percentage wise?"
And I say: Is that truly the bottom line, and does that really matter?

If it is only about percentages, then this is totally insignificant as far as we know right now, I give you that... that is, if we are good capialists talking about it.
When i use the word good capialist i am talking about the philosophy of living, or empowerment for human beings, thru "private ownership" and independent enterprise.

There is a problem before I continue, and that is that the opposite of capitalism is said to be something along the lines of "Statism", i.e., the concentration of power in the state at the expense of individual freedom.

I do not think this is what it is.
Many cultures believe in a way of life that does not embrace absolute "private ownership" but also does not denounce freedom. Stewardship is often associated with the spirit of their philosophy of living. The philosophy is based in the notion that all things are living and all is sacred.

So I would like to follow the first "if it is only about percentages" with...
...however, could it be possible there is a value to our concerns regardless of the percentages?
Some people believe so. Just because they are not subscibed to strict belief in capitalisim doesn't make the point of view invalid, just as a belief in capitalism doesn't make it valid either. These are beliefs we are talking about.
Although I am loathe to use the western-mind idiom "empower" to describe the spirit of "Stewardship", if I do, it might look something like... the philosophy of living, or empowerment for human beings (and all life), thru "mutual caring" and co-creative enterprising.

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So while I see a rational argument and a form of integrity in arguing percentages, I do not feel that necessarily embraces the spirit of living most beneficial to us. Of course, as long as we proceed down this road the way we are right now as "good capitalists", we will not absolutely know for certain if the capitalistic method offers the best solution for caring for humanity and the planet until we are either all dead, or it helps us solve all our issues.

Yeah... I don't have all the facts (I digress), however, I am not so encouraged by the spirit of absolute private ownership and independent enterprising at the sacrifice of anything or everything because I trust the earth and her resources can handle it and are naturally here to sustain me in my glory.
I do feel She is here to sustain us in all our glory, but I wonder what true power there is playing percentages, proportions, and fractions, ...as compared to playing at our life together as a whole... that we are here to sustain each other in all life's glory.
? Pila Maya

Quality of Life, has anyone defined it?

I would like a car that never needs fuel because it generates its own fuel on-the-fly. I would like a home with an on-the-fly [and fully automated] heating & cooling system that never needs a fuel truck.

Both can be made right now.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.

Well said twohawks. Well said.

Yep. And put your storage and closets all in the west end of the house, and have your kitchen & bath plumbing near each other to need less pipes. And the kitchen should be central and reinforced to survive floods & tornadoes, no matter what happens to the rest of the house. Air intake would be from the top during flooding.

Kind of like a teepee... stocked with food and water. No one in this country should have to fear tornadoes.

solar.

Well like it or not, I had to vote that up... that is an interesting table.

What I get from that is... no body in politics or money is going to give a shit or lose a wink over what is happening in the gulf... its all too effing trivial. Just another day in paradise, pass the ice and bourbon please ;^)

And here I thought Cap't Joe's folly meant something, and I am thinking that busting these guys in their mealy-mouth lies might amount to something in an effort to turn sh-t around ...hmmmm... its all just a show for me, isn't it.

I am not saying I agree with you, but I can see why anyone with a mind to.. could justify simply dismissing any value to caring one bit about it.

Great point Dr_Who. Its disturbing how rapidly people jump onto bandwagons denouncing entire industries before gathering all the necessary facts.

holdmybackpack said: Great point Dr_Who. Its disturbing how rapidly people jump onto bandwagons denouncing entire industries before gathering all the necessary facts.

Hmmm... dr Who already urged me to get my facts straight. I looked at the data he shared and acknowledged its value. I fail to see the lack of integrity in my participation in the discussion.

For all the facts ...more birds are killed by cats than by oil or windmills combined, affects from oil spills dissipate in time, natural oil seepage from the ocean floor accounts for far greater petroleum contamination than man-made sources in the United States, etc...
...I still do not wish to be supporting handling of oil and windmills, etc that neglects our careless impact on birds or other wildlife, or human diseases, or acceptance of mass sacrifice of other life on the planet for the benefit of serving myself. I still think there is perfect integrity in speaking to this, even of one does not have all the eff-ing facts, as long as one conducts oneself with integrity.

And spekaing of integrity... there is plainly (factually) a huge lack of it in the Washington admnistrative agencies engaged with BP and other facets of this, and in BP administration (all one has to do is look at the reports in the last 48 to 60 hours), so whether or not I got all my facts straight, I'm still going to raise my voice and question their motives behind lying and deception... it cannot bode well for us.

If we allow that sort of behavior to pass unaddressed, then we deserve our diseased fallout, and any other forms of oppression perceived coming from government and corporations.

with all due respect, that's Just my humble eff-ing opinion.

hmmm... I might have said..
- action is based on motivation,
- we are motivated by what we care about
- BP is acting based on what they care about... where ever we are seeing either their actions or lack thereof.

After the last couple days news seems clear to me what they care about... they care about protecting themselves and their own interests. There is nothing wrong with that excepting when they start doing it without integrity, like lying and obfuscating the truth, which demeanor and behavior is plainly exposed now, as well as NOAA and certain Senators' propensity to be supporting such demeanor.

::not angry, just making the point ;^)

Oh, and I do agree with the rest of your statement... they do know more about it than onlookers, and its not the end of the world. Doesn't make their exposed disposition and behavior behind lying and sidestepping any less reprehensible.

Doc said: ..."Your last sentence is funny."
sorry, I am uncertain to which statement you are referring, there are several little posts up there. Would you please specify? Thanks.

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You got me laughing... all righty, here goes...
Thanks for the "clicking" tip...

To paraphrase:
Dr_Who said: Your last ("effing") sentence is funny. Everyone cannot think the same and nor should they. You considered the information and that is as far as that can go.

Twohawks says: Oh I see... Yeah, I thought that was funny too.
However, regarding that "think the same" part..., weeellll... there's an assumption there.
Purely for your amusement, please permit me to explain...
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When we are having a discussion, and after I speak the guy sitting next to you, in front of me says to you something like, "Its disturbing how rapidly people jump onto bandwagons denouncing entire industries before gathering all the necessary facts."
(...and it was right after I said I looked at your facts and was acknowledging the value of what you had shared...)

...Would you not agree that on the face of it, it is plainly an indirectly cutting remark in the form of a subterfuge, and completely uncalled for? (Parochial.)
I think it would be quite another thing if he had turned directly to me and said - why don't you get your effing facts straight, "moron" (that's a word I will use here to "phrase" the part he "finds disturbing" about me that was "cloaked" or went unspoken, but of course its anyone's guess what word he might have had in mind), but instead of on-the-table bonfide name-calling, I get this cloaked version of an insult that is "almost" unbustable.

Had it been real name-calling I probably would have ignored it entirely, and simply addressed/"considered the information" as you put it.
However, I really don't like placating deceptive underhanded communication... I mean I really could care less what he thinks (LOL), but to make a point I [humoringly] used that last sentence. An indirect reflection of an indirect reflection, if you will.

So you see, Its one thing to, as you say, "think differently", its quite another to be utterly thoughtless.
Hopefully by my interactions here, even with you, it would be apparent that I am open to how other people may think differently, and you almost never see me participating in chastisement.
(but it happens ;^)
Ahh, to be young again.

Oh, let's all spill oil together! Is that what you are saying dr?

People will really become concerned when they have to start paying higher prices to foreign sellers for their food. Isn't that what we are doing with our OIL? How dependent on foreign OIL, and foreign food stocks, and foreign outsourcing of jobs do we have to get before people start standing up and doing what is best for everyone across the country, and not just for the few. It seems like we are our own worst enemy. Maybe we need to keep a closer eye on one another? The Constitution not only empowers the Federal Government to "provide for the common defense," it also empowers the government of, by, and for the people (you and I... we are the government) to "promote the general Welfare."

This disaster happened because the Federal Government as designed by Dick Cheney and his puppet, W, were doing exactly the opposite of "promoting the general Welfare!" Isn't that treasonous? Twohawks is correct, we will only truly prosper when we change our attitude about every aspect of planetary life from one of arrogance and greed born of Fear, to an attitude born of compassion, gratitude, and abundance. We will only prosper when we can truly be grateful for what we have instead of wanting more and more toys, and luxury, and this, and that, and so on, and so on, and so on... never being satisfied. The only thing that truly matters is caring for one another and for the home where we all live.

It is time for those bent on self destruction to be still, and know that there is a compassionate way... a better way to live life. Like many cigarette smokers are learning, only you can make you quit.

Sorry, we have first hand knowledge that OIL Companies, Dirty Coal, and the military industrial complex, whether in our country or another, are manipulative warmongers bent on destroying themselves and everyone else. They are not hesitating to Kill the planet we live on.

Unless and until holdmybackpack and the dr, and all their like minded friends like the Cheney s, and the Limbaugh s, and the Beck s, and the W s, and the Palin s, and the Boner s, and the McConnell s, and the Putin s, and the Chinese Communist, and the Ben Laden s (on our payroll), and the Mugabe s, and anyone else that cares more about themselves than they do others, either wake up or are departed, everyone on the planet will be suffering more and more.

What a bunch of hog wash that is. There is "The Best Oil Cleanup Solution" using straw, hay, or meadow grass to grab the oil, which makes it easier to clean up, and keeps the oil from actually getting into the sand and the marshes along the coast but no one is considering that because it isn't an OIL or INDUSTRIAL product or idea. What they are calling containment and cleanup is a joke, a very sick joke!

I am a big fan of Dr. Who, and you are no Dr. Who, so I am reluctant to acknowledge the who in your moniker. To continue correcting you as needed, I do not pretend that OIL is out of my life, I am acknowledging that this dead source of fuel never will be out of my life though I do not need to let it rule my life as it currently does. You are insulting the life that is in Hemp when you compare it to DEAD OIL. Sorry, I choose to be life affirming.

And yes there are many other under sea and on land oil leaks, many of them man made. That does not make it OK to add one more!

Hey Twohawks, we sound like two brothers trying to talk some sense into a couple of misguided cousins. It's been real, hangin with you, and the dr, and Holdmybackpack, who can hold his own backpack. From the land of manana, adios amigos. Hasta manana.

Apparently you are a hopeless case,

Ah! I was wondering where your nonsense was stemming from on another post. You are just trolling.

The oil spill looks terrible from any distance. Your argument seems to stand that if you squint hard enough a nuclear blast is hardly a big deal. I mean look if you are on the surface of the moon it just looks like blip.

pictures? film? proof?

Thanks, Jan.
you know, its interesting, in photo #16 you can notice difference from the grey mas and then the blue mass surrounding it, yet we have been told that the grey mass is anomalistic to the photo and not the sea... but if that were the case why does the grey potion so naturally contour and blend ? I cannot help but wonder if that is fallout under the water.

Yes, thank you Janforgore. Your contributions always seem to spark a fun conversation with the Dark Lords of Fear. I sure am glad to know that Fear is an illusion. It allows me to sleep at night.

Right on!

There have been hopes that bacteria would come around that eats plastics since there is a copious food supply for them across the surface of the earth. It's inevitable.

As for one engineered for eating oil, I've seen no such reports. However that would make for interesting terror strikes, eliminate a countries oil reserves by having an organism devour it.

My question is what is the biproduct of such an organism :). Hope it isn't something more caustic than the oil.

It would probably be mostly water and CO2.

LOL! Omnomynous that was classic, but so true... ^5 :)

so was the hoover damn a waste? poring money into something that stimulates science is always a good thing you dumbass.

The most often-used argument against space exploration is that we should use that money to alleviate problems here on Earth. But that argument fails to realize that NASA doesn't just pack millions of dollar bills into a rocket and blast them into space. The money NASA uses creates jobs, providing an opportunity for some of the world's brightest minds to use their talents to, yes, actually benefit humanity.

NASA's exploration spurs inventions that we use everyday, many which save lives and improve the quality of life. Plus, we're expanding our horizons and feeding our curiosity, while learning so, so much and attempting to answer really big questions about ourselves and the cosmos.

NASA’s annual budget for fiscal year 2010 is $18.7 billion. That sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but let’s put it in perspective. The US annual budget is almost $3 trillion and NASA's cut of the US budget is less than 1%, which isn't big enough to create even a single line on a pie chart.

A few other things to put NASA's budget in perspective:

Miles O'Brien recently brought it to our attention that the amount of money Bernie Maddof scammed with his Ponzi scheme ($50 billion) is way bigger than NASA's budget.

US consumers spend more on pizza ($27 billion) than NASA's budget.

Americans spend a lot of money on some pretty ridiculous things. Returning to that oft-used phrase about spending the money used in space to solve the problems on Earth, consider this:

Annually, Americans spend about $88.8 billion on tobacco products and another $97 billion on alcohol. $313 billion is spent each year in America for treatment of tobacco and alcohol related medical problems.

Likewise, people in the US spend about $64 billion on illegal drugs, and $114.2 billion for health-related care of drug use.

Americans also spend $586.5 billion a year on gambling.

It’s possible we could give up some other things to help alleviate the problems in our country without having to give up the spirit of exploration.

And once again the NASA addicts keep their place in the food line.

The food line starts at the Pentagon, NASA just gets a few left over scraps compared to their budget.

Yes because so many things you take for granted didn't come about because of this sort of spending.

Oh shit...they did.

It's just you. Yah, I thinks he is da one, da paranoid delusional we've been following these many weeks.

lol i thought that guy on fox WAS you...

Corporations, have always been environmental terrorists. Because it's much cheaper and easier to do business that way

is that real? or photoshopped?

They have lots of cash to pay off our "corporate" law making whores that's why they don't have to answer to their unethical destruction and unsustainable way of treating the environment.

Same rights as people except people die and their wealth goes to someone else. Corporations don't die, continue onward Ad infinitum accumlating wealth and power to control huge sectors of the economy and thereby the government who will bail them out instead of letting a large sector of the economy collapse.

I'll try to find that.

How about this: Corporate Death Penalty. You do this, you are no longer in business. Your assets are frozen and any residual assets go to cleanng it up and compensating victims of all species. And then the only way your company can be 'resurrected' is if it transitions to making solar panels.

Oh, i think that goes without saying. The scale of the negligence and damage warrant it. Or this: Take BPs profit for the past 10 years & average it. For the next 50 years BP must pay that exact amount each year into an environmental fund or clean energy R&D fund. They can take the money from actual profits or the owners/boardmembers/main-shareholders can take it from their own pockets. Then if the money doesn't show up, people start going to jail or death row.

See, now that's a better idea than killing them.

Not enough pages. You need more pages Jan.

But hey, they just broke up the MMS into three incompetent agencies now. That has to count for something.

lock 'em up and throw away the key

Too late. They hopped a plane already.

"100% renewable energy in 10 years"... HIS plan to do GOOD for this planet and in turn our economy, our environment, our health, and our children. AND IT WAS IGNORED. How can you sit there and continue like others to trash him and bring him into conversations where he was not even mentioned? So sick and tired of seeing people using him as their excuse to cover up their own apathy and hypocrisy. The man has done so much to actually tell us what we need to do to PREVENT catastrophes just like this. Perhaps those who continue to add these quips thinking they mean anything should actually READ something he has written before spouting off. He's been out here for over thirty years, what have you done?

No comment at this time. I see you have already received a sound thrashing. I reserve the right to thrash on your head another day less busy.