True cost of war much more than a staggering trillion dollars
source: http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-raleigh/true-cost-of-war-much-more-than-a-staggering-...
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"One trillion dollars is an almost incomprehensible number, but what is even more incomprehensible is the fact that most of that cost is borrowed money," said R. Lee Wrights, former Libertarian Party national vice chair and the editor and co-founder of Liberty for All, an online free speech magazine.
"The federal government borrows about 43 cents of every dollar it spends, and then uses it to build schools, roads and hospitals in countries where we're partly responsible for destroying that infrastructure," he said. "That's not only insane, it's immoral."
Wrights said that he is considering seeking the presidential nomination because he believes the Libertarian message in 2012 should be a loud and unequivocal call to stop all war. Wrights, 52, was born in Winston-Salem and lived in North Carolina most of his life. He now lives and works in Texas.
"The Libertarian Party faces a critical test in 2012 and I want to make sure that we're up to the challenge," Wrights said. "The Libertarian message in 2012 must be loud and clear - stop all wars! Stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, stop the war on drugs and alternative lifestyles, stop the war on civil liberties."
"When we first invaded Iraq we were told that the 'war would pay for itself' because Iraq had the oil resources," Wrights said. He noted that Paul Wolfowitz, then assistant secretary of defense, told Congress in March 2003, "There's a lot of money to pay for this. It doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon."
"That hasn't happened. Instead, the federal government has simply printed or borrowed the money to rebuild what's been destroyed," Wrights said. "Politicians are treating war spending like an open checkbook. As long as they have checks, they keep writing them without bothering to balance the account."
The 2010 military budget is $700 billion. In real terms, defense spending is more today than at any time during the Cold War, the Korean War, or the Vietnam War, according to Doug Bandow of the Cato Institute.
"To justify its budget, the Defense Department said it was not enough to have a military capable of deterring or responding to aggression," Wrights said. "Incredibly, defense officials actually claimed it was ‘vital’ the United States be ‘a force for good by engaging with and helping positively to shape the world.’"
"Our founder's would be appalled," Wrights said. "They predicted that war would be the most dreaded threat to our liberties. They told us that from war would proceed mean debt, taxes, fraud and degeneracy of morals. They warned us that no nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
Wrights has pledged that 10 percent of all donations to his campaign will be spent for ballot access so that the stop all war message can be heard in all 50 states.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=596qaxm-u4o
i love the U.S.A!!!
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iamaman:
how dare you use cake's music in vain!
you suck at trolling. go back to 4chan and practice a bit more
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donkeyfly69:
Are you saying you "Da Man!?
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iamaman
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libertarians have no morals. they believe nothing is everything! Tools! every one of them!
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alexandrek:
we'll let the next generation of Iranians do that for us!
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hopefully we will learn from our mistakes. i doubt we will be sending any arms to iran any time soon unless republicans want to start another iran contra scheme.
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That's the equivalent of taking 10 % of all the GDP of all the
working people of the USA, every month, and destroying it.
That 10% which could have been used to fund jobs to put
the unemployed back to work, free the US from dependence
on oil, strengthen social security, pay off the national debt.
Whatever. Money saved is money earned. Money wasted is
money destroyed. But hey, they discovered 1.8 Billion barrels
of oil in Afghanistan, so what's to worry about ? Politicians are
prostitutes. That kind of sleeze factor is like see through clothing. - 1 year ago
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PressCore:
Well said. We over stay our welcome every time.
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DogBoy:
so now, as i type, the Iraqis are afraid to see our combat troops leave? so what are we bitching about?
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PressCore:
history must not repeat itself. when it does, it does so beneath our noses. it does not happen over night like we has Americans have all become accustomed too. real lasting change happens slowly.
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iamaman:
those iraqis know xe and haliburton are moving in, and they don't follow the rules that we have to adhere to.
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donkeyfly69:
bullshit!!!
so your saying the iraqis are more afraid of us than themselves?
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iamaman:
"bullshit!!!"
you're kidding right?
"so your saying the iraqis are more afraid of us than themselves?"
foreigners with way more soldiers and advanced weapons fighting against poorly trained farmers with improvised weapons? yeah i'm definitely saying that. but at least we have rules; contractors don't care about rules
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im tired of posting links for idiots!
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they had a better time getting killed and tortured by Saddam? who is they? the Kurdish that Bush Sr. repeated "the bay of pigs" on?
i'm sure "those" Iraqis enjoyed getting gassed too~
The Iraqis were familiar with Abu Garaib before we were! STFU!
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iamaman:
nice comeback! good answer btw
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iamaman:
"they had a better time getting killed and tortured by Saddam?"
yes!!! at least there was some stability. and people weren't being killed on such a massive scale.
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donkeyfly69:
do you know what the word transparent means?
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and your point is?
what does it have to do with Afghanistan now? BUSH and this generations war on iraq was a bizarre and fucked up tactic on the war on the terrorists.
we are in the process of ending the wars in both countries. for god sake lets give it to the basturds before we do! bush wasted a lot of cash and lives in iraq!
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Per year is closer to 110,000,000,000 (the actual number if the rest of the chart is correct is 110,769,234,240). Rounding up on the per month threw the number off. Ten billion dollars isn't petty change. I know it doesn't change the point, but there is no reason not to be accurate.
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Ah what a beautiful bouquet of flowers presented in "stop all wars! Stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, stop the war on drugs and alternative lifestyles, stop the war on civil liberties."
The reality is the Libertarian leadership wants to drop a nuclear bomb on your federal government. Bomb the Fed! Bomb the IRS! Bomb Social Security! Bomb Bomb Bomb them all!
If you believe differently, you are naive and won over more easily than a member of the Church of Scientology.
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neocongo:
"Bomb the Fed! Bomb the IRS! Bomb Social Security!"
what about that sounds bad?
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neocongo:
Libertarianism is advocacy of individual liberty; libertarians generally share a distinct regard for individual freedom of thought and action, as well as a strong opposition to coercive authority, such as that of the state. Libertarians generally advocate extensive personal liberty with few exceptions. One exception shared by libertarians is that the actions of an individual should not infringe upon the freedom of any other person, a premise believed by many libertarians to be expressed best through the non-aggression principle.
Not sure what non-aggression means to you, but I'm pretty sure that to most people it means NOT bombing people.
The naive calling others naive... he he
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Remember Oklahoma! dont ever forget it.
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If Timothy McVay were alive today i'm sure he would support Ron Paul.
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it makes me sick! they're shutting down schools around where i live but they can blow money on a pointless war! pisses me off!
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I love the bloodshed and the joy of snuff footage
Allah Akbar!
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“You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.”
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“There is nothing good in war except its ending.”
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“There never was a good war,
Or a bad peace.”
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“Wars and revolutions and battles are due simply and solely to the body and its desires.”
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alexandrek:
Don't forget all the politicians who make money off this as well!
If anything, these politicians have been lying to you trying to brainwash you into the belief that entities like Halliburton and KGB are private. These "companies" are not private, they are just government monopoly granted firms that government funds and controls (while they give you a nice little emblem to bitch at).
The truth is, there is NOTHING that is private once government coercion enters into the realm.
They just throw up these corporate emblems to distract you from the real root of the problem....
STATISM!
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Halliburton! There are a lot more companies, and politicians, involved in this than Halliburton.
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"X"
did you mean xe? the company that used to be blackwater?
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This is the reason why prohibition for cannabis and other drugs will not go away. The government is fed dollars with private prison money and is continually funded on the backs of hard working people. War is no path to true peace.
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NiceN:
Hey thanks pal. It's time to watch Cool Hand Luke again! With Paul Newman (dead now) and George Kennedy (yep, one too many ice cream cones).
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Private prisons?!? That would require voluntary funding. All the prisons are funded by government fiat and coercion.
You call that private?!? That's like calling Halliburton private when their subsidies eliminate that false rhetoric in seconds (it's really crony corporatism).
You need to learn the difference between private and public before you start spouting off that what we have today is private. Almost nothing is truly private anymore, that would require free markets and control over the organization/resource which we don't have. Instead, we have taxation and monopolization through coercion and government, that is not private, and all subsidies kill off any chance of anything being truly private. The moment government comes into play (as with any subsidy, tax, regulation, or gain of control) the term private goes right out the window. What you are witnessing is not private anything, but publicly funded, subsidized (through taxation and coercion), and controlled prison fascism(statism/government) at work.
Real private prisons would not have war on drugs (no victimless crimes - that only comes from government coercion), they would only imprison people for crimes where a victim takes the aggressor to court.
We need to work on our etymology before we go out and try to save the world, it saves confusion like this...
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Well said.
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But that's okay, right, because the American People can always pay 4 this, right? WRONG!! Start acting like LEADERS u immature unprofessional JackBLEEPS that are in our CONGRESS!! U know members of our Congress that likes 2 whore themselves 2 the LOBBYIST!! The members of our Congress that just doesn't care because their attitudes R that's okay the AMERICAN PEOPLE will fit the bill...yep that's their attitude ON THE HILL!!
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HellaFresh:
the wars are ending. what the fuck are bitching about?
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iamaman:
"the wars are ending"
says who? the people in your head? as long as there is occupation there will be war (or at least conflict) and as long as americans stay ignorant there will be occupation
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iamaman:
You're uninformed. Iraq isn't really over, the government is just saying that it's over. Occupation continues with an increase in private contractors instead of official members of the Armed Forces.
War is escalating in Yemen and Pakistan as well. The wars are FAR from over. - 1 year ago
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Thank God in Heaven! I was worried there for a minute that wars and rumors of wars was about to be violated by heathens, and if THAT HAPPENS then the Bible has been proven FALSE. Now go back to work. Forget this foolishness.
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vote for obama he promised he will bring the troops home
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he didn't promise that, for the most part. and i didn't and won't vote for warmongering obama.
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World peace is a fantasy! there will always be conflict. do you sleep well at night knowing that you can call 911 for the fire dept. or even the police? not everyone can afford homeowners or renters insurance.
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you blame the wrong person! you mislead!
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ever heard of something called the "Marshall Plan"? do some research and see how much loyalty democracy has provided for you and your country. (if you are American)
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iamaman:
"World peace is a fantasy! there will always be conflict."
so? there will always be cancer, should we stop looking for a cure? there will always be hunger, should we stop growing crops? what sense does that make
"do you sleep well at night knowing that you can call 911 for the fire dept. or even the police? not everyone can afford homeowners or renters insurance."
i really don't even know how to respond to you're crazy off topic ramblings. check your meds, your dose is off.
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i give credit where credit is due. are you trying to imply that i don't think bush/cheney is the major cause for the war?
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so are you saying we should kill the scientists and start over? that everything we've herd before was bullshit and that morons like sarah palin and ron paul will save us all?
nice way to prove that you can stoop so low! whoever you are DUDE!!!
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i'm not implying anything...... DUDE! you are!
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yup, kill all of the scientists, dude! palin mastectomies for all!
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or not. you blatantly said i blame the wrong person
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blah blah blah
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you do donkypie!
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i never said world peace, the troll did
all i said was "end iraq and afghanistan occupation"
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Americans! The most generous body bag fillers in the world. The man say pay up on April 15 every year, we pay up. The man say he honestly doesn't think there are any UFO's, we accept him, at his word, because he's the man. If the man say pay nothing down or pay everything down, we pay down. And when the man say bend over we tell our kids to bend over.
For the man. Doesn't get any more democratic than that.
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so your answer is to become jehovahs witnesses?
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iamaman:
Indubitably my dear fellow, indubitably. You don't have a prayer walking in any other direction. It is a simple choice of elimination.
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Gravity_Man:
"I got some advice for you little buddy, before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man. I'm the man and your the man and he's the man as well so you can point that f*cking finger up your @ss!"
- Maynard James Keenan
Sorry, big Tool fan.
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I suspected it wasn't a quote from Maynard G. Krebs.
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Me too...+^d
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"and the meek shall inherit the earth" IMHO the earth is our greatest treasure!
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your the first person i thought of!
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"Gravityham" cant help it. he admitted to having an eating disorder and is bed ridden.
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iamaman:
And I'm sure you have your issues too. Though I doubt that you have the guts to so freely admit them...
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iamaman:
are you stalking currenters? kind of lame...
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you called him "little buddy". i just thought i'd correct you!
gravity man lost my respect when i had to block him because he kept trying to convert me.
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"currenters"?! now that's really lame!
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iamaman:
Um, I was quoting a song, not calling him anything personally.
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or not
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well excuse ME!
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donkeyfly69:
is that all you got?
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donkeyfly69:
Donkey fly you the shit! you bad girl!
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fail!
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($13,375,222,710,985.08 National Debt) Politicians are treating war spending like an open checkbook. As long as they have checks, they keep writing them without bothering to balance the account."
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yeah dude! that's what they call the military industrial complex!
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and the democrats are trying to end, what the neo con libertarians started in the first place, in a strategic manner. All you conservative liberal ingrates can do is complain about being fucked over for the sake of a few. guess what? you fucked yourselves and all the rest of America for your ideals!
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or not
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donkeyfly69:
donkey fly is not black! the internet can deceive.
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lol wtf does that have to do with the thread?
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iamaman:
Democrats are supporting war right now just as much as Republicans. It's a shame that the Democratic Party isn't progressive enough and is stuck in this thing called "neo-conservatism."
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I don't think that's quite fair. While Democrats are getting us out (altogether too slow), Republicans got us in, and most of it was more than unnecessary.
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iamaman:
HAHA, what an idiot, neocon libertarians?!?
That's like saying a meat eating vegetarian!
How can pro-war and anti-war people be on the same team?!?
Gee wiz this guy is lost in statist lala land!
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Just to let you know, Obama is the one who went after Pakistan.... the 2.... I mean 1 party system continues it's warmongering, fearmongering, and lies....
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You're right, I don't agree with Obama's direction. Perhaps this is the scientist in me, but I want to take note at small differences. America hasn't been getting into as many wars lately, and one seems to be winding down, albeit slowly.
There is a difference between a drunk staggering away from the bar, and a drunk passed out at the bar.
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You mean no new wars.
"America hasn't been getting into as many wars lately, and one seems to be winding down, albeit slowly." - 1 year ago
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democrats and republicans both got us into this along with their brainwashed supporters
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"You mean no new wars."
just because we don't call them wars does not mean they are not wars. we have been bombing the shit out of pakistan and creating conflict with others.
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you sound like a sarah palin clone and cant keep it real!
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democrats are trying to end the wars the best way they can. that means not bailing like a bunch of cowards like the republicans want them to (so they can bitch and whine about that too!).
some people are so shallow i think its evolutions way of weeding out the week, by letting them get reamed by their own. the sad part is they never know what hit them!
guess they deserve it?
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you sound like you're diverting so you don't have to make a point
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