Scientists Say They Can Now Test String Theory
source: http://www.universetoday.com/72531/scientists-say-they-can-now-test-string-theory/
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"If experiments prove that our predictions about quantum entanglement are correct, this will demonstrate that string theory 'works' to predict the behavior of entangled quantum systems," said Professor Mike Duff, lead author of the study.
String theory was originally developed to describe the fundamental particles and forces that make up our universe, and has a been a favorite contender among physicists to allow us to reconcile what we know about the incredibly small from particle physics with our understanding of the very large from our studies of cosmology. Using the theory to predict how entangled quantum particles behave provides the first opportunity to test string theory by experiment.
But – at least for now – the scientists won’t be able to confirm that String Theory is actually the way to explain all that is, just if it actually works."
This will not be proof that string theory is the right 'theory of everything' that is being sought by cosmologists and particle physicists,” said Duff. “However, it will be very important to theoreticians because it will demonstrate whether or not string theory works, even if its application is in an unexpected and unrelated area of physics.
"String theory is a theory of gravity, an extension of General Relativity, and the classical interpretation of strings and branes is that they are quantum mechanical vibrating, extended charged black holes.The theory hypothesizes that the electrons and quarks within an atom are not 0-dimensional objects, but 1-dimensional strings. These strings can move and vibrate, giving the observed particles their flavor, charge, mass and spin. The strings make closed loops unless they encounter surfaces, called D-branes, where they can open up into 1-dimensional lines. The endpoints of the string cannot break off the D-brane, but they can slide around on it.
Duff said he was sitting in a conference in Tasmania where a colleague was presenting the mathematical formulae that describe quantum entanglement when he realized something. "I suddenly recognized his formulae as similar to some I had developed a few years earlier while using string theory to describe black holes. When I returned to the UK I checked my notebooks and confirmed that the maths from these very different areas was indeed identical.
"Duff and his colleagues realized that the mathematical description of the pattern of entanglement between three qubits resembles the mathematical description, in string theory, of a particular class of black holes. Thus, by combining their knowledge of two of the strangest phenomena in the universe, black holes and quantum entanglement, they realized they could use string theory to produce a prediction that could be tested. Using the string theory mathematics that describes black holes, they predicted the pattern of entanglement that will occur when four qubits are entangled with one another. (The answer to this problem has not been calculated before.) Although it is technically difficult to do, the pattern of entanglement between four entangled qubits could be measured in the laboratory and the accuracy of this prediction tested.
The discovery that string theory seems to make predictions about quantum entanglement is completely unexpected, but because quantum entanglement can be measured in the lab, it does mean that there is way – finally – researchers can test predictions based on string theory.
But, Duff said, there is no obvious connection to explain why a theory that is being developed to describe the fundamental workings of our universe is useful for predicting the behavior of entangled quantum systems. "This may be telling us something very deep about the world we live in, or it may be no more than a quirky coincidence", said Duff. "Either way, it's useful."
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asherp
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"String theory is a theory of gravity, an extension of General Relativity, and the classical interpretation of strings and branes is that they are quantum mechanical vibrating, extended charged black holes.The theory hypothesizes that the electrons and quarks within an atom are not 0-dimensional objects, but 1-dimensional strings. These strings can move and vibrate, giving the observed particles their flavor, charge, mass and spin. The strings make closed loops unless they encounter surfaces, called D-branes, where they can open up into 1-dimensional lines. The endpoints of the string cannot break off the D-brane, but they can slide around on it."
Oh! Yeah! Right! What? D branes? Slip and slides?
It's always hilarious when people try to explain quantum physics without going into the math.
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asherp
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CCorsair
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I would say I understand all of this but people might thing i was just geek .. ok I am but I didn't think they could do this with out a black hold or a man made magnetic device that could generate high Gauss field to effect the electrons and quarks with out like oh say effecting the earth magnetic field(kind of a bad thing to do if you like where we are now in our orbit around the sun) I mean if you can try to test it doing it on small scale but still would leave it open to theory and all if the data was right.
If they can do it it would help in find new way to travel in space and all but that would be a long time from there but still start them off in the right direction. It could be a help in make true fusion reactors as well as you can use the idea they stated here to find better and sustainable fuels for a reactor. The going to have invent a new math to find the calculations for this in the first place as this is ton of number crunching to get it down as well ..Ok I'll stop I know its making some of you get a migraine lol
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CCorsair
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sound5ystem
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It's still interesting though, I read The Elegent Universe, though some of it was a total different language to me.
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sound5ystem
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sound5ystem
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Can't the money funding this be put towards something more relevant to the world? Instead of making up theory of how the universe works (also space travel), and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars testing it, help India/china (And US) clean their water, do something about fracture drilling, renovate crummy parts of US cities, buying out bottled water companies to shut them down, feed the hungry, clean the air, the list goes on and on and on and on and on. Just my opinion.
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sound5ystem
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sound5ystem:
We, as a human race, would never advance in different fields if we follow your plan. They're are people working are your list of problems in the world. This on the other hand, is the work of people in a completely different field. This is how it's been for many years and it's not going to change any time soon.
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Goterber
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cztheday
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While I talk of an infinite universe just as blithely as the next cocktail party blowhard, whenever I think about the possibility of a truly endless universe, I find myself wanting to box it up somehow.
Similarly, I find myself struggling with the concept of something that exists in this world, like an electron, having zero dimensions. Outside of a mathematical representation, even a one-dimensional "something" is a struggle to grasp (how does something that exists in our world have height, for example, with not even a micron of width or depth?).
I must admit that I am encouraged -- at least a little -- to know that there are people out there for whom the meaning of such concepts is central to their waking existence while so much of the world seems steeped in ignorance, superstition and mindless violence.
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cztheday
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cztheday:
Blowhard or not . . . very nicely said!
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asherp
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cztheday:
The universe isn't infinite. It has a finite size.
Which I find more existentially disturbing than the idea of an infinite one. - 1 year ago
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asherp
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ReverandG
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Good Story
Don't expect the mush brains on current to comprehend the magnitude of this discovery or scientific study. If it does not contain a Liberal, Gay or Lesbian content they will just take pot shots at it out of ignorance. - 1 year ago
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ReverandG:
bc your comment justifies how much you understand this, youre on current too, watch...
Good story!
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shizzam
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mik661
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How many people in the world really understand what he just said? This is beyond the normal Current conversation of pot good/monsanto bad.
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M_i_k_a
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Well, good fuckin luck haha.
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EmperorThan
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Cool.
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rebhpse
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Fraser. Does this mean they will now be able to produce a black hole in a laboratory? I have some pretty smelly garbage during the hot weather, that I put ammonia in to keep the feral cats and raccoons out, and a quantum entangled black hole would be real useful for a garbage disposal in the heat. There's some physics stuff I could trash there too. pete. http://twitter.com/rebhpse
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KSirys
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Great! can we finally find out who won on this epic battle?....
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mindcruzer
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Can test a small segment of string theory, rather, but it's better than nothing.
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UtopianSky
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I thought the assorted forms of string theory were already superseded by M-theory.
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Ares
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UtopianSky:
They are, just ask ii386. He'll cockslap you for pointing out the obvious irrelevance of this "discovery."
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Ares
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UtopianSky:
They were, but everyone just calls it string theory anyway.
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ii386
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Ares:
I HATE when people try to correct or voice their opinions regarding an expertise in which they have NO background. That is why I asked if you have really ANY degree/background/etc in physics or a related field.
I do not have any knowledge of physics and I am okay with that because I am not the one making claims about what is outdated and irrelevant.
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ii386
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shakespearessister
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Blah blah blah words
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rodstradamus
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The Electric Universe Theory resolves "Sting Theory" and all the other science fiction conjured up using Einstein's false equations, such as the standard model of black holes and "dark matter"...another joke that's all theory, fuzzy math and little science. Read all about the Electric Universe at my group
www.current.com/groups/electric-universe
Here's the intro video:
http://current.com/groups/space/91348567_the-electric-universe-1.htm - 1 year ago
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Ares
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Sweet, you figured out how to test an outdated theory. Anybody going to focus on M Theory? Or are we just jerking off here?
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Ares
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ii386
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Ares:
Do you have a doctorate in theoretical physics?
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ii386
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ii386:
Oh yeah, and Dr. Duff also has research interests in M-Theory.
I think he'd be much more qualified to say what is outdated and what isn't.
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/m.duff/research - 1 year ago
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ii386
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Ares
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ii386:
"Like all dreamers I confuse disenchantment with truth."
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Ares
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Ares:
are you attempting to say something profound?
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ii386
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Ares
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ii386:
Depends, are you trying to be condescending? It's a Sartre quote, maybe read up on it before you spew any more excrement.
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Ares
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asherp
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Ares:
M-Theory is a branch of string theory.
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Saladin
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Wow, now this is exciting news. We're getting way closer to solving all these quantum mysteries that we've been deadlocked on for a century.
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Saladin:
baby steps
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Eddie_Miller
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so energy CAN have mass. or at least be compiled to create it
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Eddie_Miller:
Personally, I have never been able to reconcile the fact that photons, a supposedly massless particle, is affected by gravity. In fact, it cannot escape from the gravity of a black hole.
If it was truly massless, what is the gravity pulling on that prevents it from escaping?
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asherp
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kennymotown
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Yes, just what will this new discovery do Chief Engineer.
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kennymotown:
dreamsenvoy's got this one . . . see below!
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kennymotown
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pjacobs51:
Thanks!
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CalPal
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So if string theory is proven to work - least of all be true - then can someone give me a few examples of what we can do with it?
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CalPal:
Here's one - Physicists use offshoot of string theory to describe puzzling behavior of superconductors http://www.physorg.com/news200224981.html
Here is another(John McGreevy) -http://web.mit.edu/~mcgreevy/www/talks/uses.pdf
Princeton University -
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S17/80/32S21/index.xml?section=newsre...Theory of Everything -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
Bing Bang (none traditional view) - http://www.physorg.com/news63041667.html
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dreamsenvoy:
So I managed to read through all of those, and from my interpretation of what they say, if string theory is true, then we can basically explain how matter - and the universe - works, and then use it for anything?
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CalPal
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ReverandG
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CalPal:
Fly dikes I mean kites Really high...
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CCorsair
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CalPal:
BINGO!
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dreamsenvoy
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Approved.... frequency,frequency,frequency
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