The Naked Trust About Body Scanners - Update

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Those who would sacrifice freedom (including privacy) for safety, deserve neither..

Absolutely well put.

...totally agree...

Just like a parrot.

Sadly, there is no way to have both complete freedom or complete safety, especially in this age of terrorism.

That's crazy. You'd rather have the plane blow up than let someone see a blurry black & white picture of your ass. That is just plain crazy.

wow what horrible logic!

Pls explain why you think that. I would like to know your thoughts on the subject

we can prevent that kind of stuff from happening without having to expose ourselves for anyone to see.

I'd love to. Your argument that seeing blurry B&W photos somehow saves a plane from blowing up is called a "slippery slope" argument.

"The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form: "

Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.

Yours truly
APimpNamedSlickback

How? How can you be absolutely positive? A pat down? Easy enough to sneak something through that, and much more of a violation of my person. A metal detector? They make knives out of ceramic, guns out of plastic, bombs might not show up with that. A strip search? We all know that's not acceptable. The scanner is by far the least intrusive method of finding out if someone's concealing a weapon. It is wrong if they save the images, but who really cares. By the way, its not for anyone to see. It's a trained security officer whose job it is to make sure everyone on the plane is safe.

"The scanner is by far the least intrusive method of finding out if someone's concealing a weapon."

But it is still not an absolute way to make air travel safe! Do you really believe that this system will stop every attempt to blow up a plane, or hijack a plane, etc. This is an illusion of safety. An illusion of safety is not an excuse to give up ones privacy.

this might as well be a strip search, and a trained security officer could be anyone

There is no way to stop every attempt. Even if the scanners only make it harder, or act as a deterrent it is worth it. It's totally anonymous anyway, the person looking at that image has no idea who you are. I don't see how this could be seen as an invasion of privacy. Well ttyl8r I'm goin streaking!

I'd rather not have some pervert jerking it to images of my wife/mother/daughter....it is pointless and another way for them to chip away our rights and freedom

Juicie...with all due respect...the pics aren't "Playboy" in technicolour...anyone who would want to jerk off to pics that look like X-rays, would be there all day...

they are more detailed than you think

I'm sorry but if that's the 1st thing that comes to mind you've got issues.

the point is, there is no way of knowing what they will do with the pictures once they are taken

Pictures taken at the beach are more revealing. I say we ban cameras at all beaches & pools & make all women wear burkas.

your hyperbole is not far off from what you are advocating. Forcing our women to cover up completely versus forcing our women to bear all. In both cases you suggest we cede our basic dignity rights and freedom.

I'm not sure floydyboy understands what freedom is

I'm sure if smoking and possession of pot was legal and someone or some entity wanted to take that away he would be against it.

...I just went and googled images from a scanner...and yes, they are quite explicit...and, maybe personally, I have a more relaxed attitude to this...but, I don't care if they set up an exhibition at the Lourve with pics of me in my birthday suit, if it's going to get me from A to B in one piece, and stop some wacko who wants to blow up/or shoot up the bloody plane...my life is the bottom line here...

this is alot like workplace drug testing...they act like it will make the workplace safer, but all it does is out the stoners, while the meth heads don't get busted cause it flushes out so quick....stoners are actually safer workers anyway

piss tests don't even show if the person used recently or is even impaired

I think explosive sniffing dogs would be more effective and less invasive

Yes, but that's too easy! It MUST be complicated and expensive or else....or else.......FUCK nothing will happen will it?

I'll take that as sarcasm

The Lourve huh.....when do tickets go on sale?.... Hehe thanks Eden, someone who gets it.

Yes sir.

...even "police dogs" have their limitations...but I'm not an expert in knowing their full range of "sniffing" capabilities...I'll still go with the scan...

...may have gone a tad overboard on the Louvre analogy, but ya got my drift...

I'm all for your freedom to express yourself, I am comfortable being naked too...I just don't think that unless we yield this right to privacy we won't be able to keep safe. I think they want to chip away our rights and make that sort of thing normal, and that we should just submit without question.

I feel the same way. That's why I had to respond. Gave me a good laugh too. Thanks.

Maybe it's the naked truss.
It all depends on who's pictures they saved.
:)