Large Hadron Collider makes New Discovery!

That's too bad. You should really look around at some of the other stories. There are loads of intelligent people with fascinating insight on Current. There are sensitive people, but don't judge all of current based on the disagreements on this board.

If you aren't swayed, I hope you find what you're looking for elsewhere.
Happy interneting.

You shouldn't judge the entire website based on this one post. Thats like saying you hate Europe because the French smell like shit.

Sorry to sound like a downer, because it is an interesting point you raise, but in the unlikely circumstance that the LHC did create a black hole, it would be so microscopically tiny that it would evaporate and explode in a fraction of a second, (due to Hawking radiation).

To produce enough energy to create rift in space/time large enough to devour a planetary object would take a collider as large as our solar system, (probably bigger). And just think, most non-scientifically minded people would be foaming at the mouth over the cost of that!

To answer your point about perception, If the planet fell into a black hole we would certainly know about it, (the tidal forces of gravity would make sure of that). However if you are talking about some kind of other phenomenon then who knows? Stranger things have been suggested in the realm of theoretical physics!

I like your answer, but there is one overly simple yet very important flaw with it. I made no mention of a singularity in my question, only a tear in space. Now a black hole is one of the only things we know that can create a tear in space, but that doesn't mean it is the only thing in existence.

Imagine, for unknown reasons a tear in space forms and matter that is close to that tear gets trapped within the tear. What if the matter wasn't destroyed, but certain aspects of physics no longer applied within the lack of space. Or maybe the perceived volume of the tear was in fact smaller than the perceived volume of space. If out world and everything on it shrank, and all means we have to measure our world shrank proportionally as well, how could we tell that our world had become reduced in size?

"I like your answer, but there is one overly simple yet very important flaw with it. I made no mention of a singularity in my question, only a tear in space."

My bad, I thought i covered it with: "However if you are talking about some kind of other phenomenon then who knows? Stranger things have been suggested in the realm of theoretical physics!"

Now I'm no theoretical physicist, and it's a very interesting (and difficult) paradox you raise there that i'm afraid i can't answer fully, but i'll do my best...

A. (another downer) If "certain aspects of physics no longer applied" in this hypothetical tear in space then who knows how that would affect us, the only reason we exist, or gravity exists, or elements bond together to form molecules is because the laws of physics are exactly as we observe them, if they were to change even fractionally then that could affect us very profoundly.

B. (Discounting A.) If both we had shrunk, and all means of measuring had shrunk with us, then i suppose the only way we could possibly discover this is by observing the universe around us, (assuming that everything outside the tear remains the same size). If light emitted from the objects outside the tear shrinks as it enters, then i could only assume that it's wavelength would also shrink, causing these objects to become heavily blue-shifted, or even vanish to the point only X or Gamma ray telescopes could detect it if the wavelength left the visible spectrum. P.S. This answer is nothing but conjecture and probably full of flaws. If there is a Physics major out there please correct me!

Again let me stress that I am NOT a Physicist, i'd call myself a Physics enthusiast at best. Sorry i can't provide a better answer, however it has been fun trying to come up with one...

Again another good question, that's the thing about science, whatever we think we know at one time can be completely disregarded at another.

Evolution, while still technically a theory, is regarded by most as the most sound and accurate method of describing life as we now see it as well as the fossils we have discovered so far...

Of course Black Holes are some of the most difficult objects to study (if not the most difficult). But i think Hawking radiation is regarded to be a sound theory by a large enough portion of the astrophysics community.

Like a Mandelbrot Fractal. Cool.

Sick minds think alike. ??

DAMN YOU!!!! i just posted that...get outta my head

Hooray we're all going to DIE!

Please be kidding.

Naa man you don't get it do you we are all going to DIE! There is no way out of this life other than death. I hate to be the one that breaks the news to you but yes we are all going to DIE!

Yippie!

Isn't that exactly what they said in the 1900s before the advent of quantum theory? Scientists have made a lot of strides finding evidence for them since then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation

"Early twentieth-century experiments on the physics of very small-scale phenomena led to the discovery of phenomena that could not be predicted on the basis of classical physics, and to new models (theories) that described and predicted very accurately those micro-scale phenomena so recently discovered. These models of the real world being observed at this micro scale, could not easily be reconciled with the way objects are observed to behave on the macro scale of everyday life. The predictions they offered often appeared counter-intuitive to observers. Indeed, they touched off much consternation—even in the minds of their discoverers. The Copenhagen interpretation consists of attempts to explain the experiments and their mathematical formulations."

"sticking?" The most important part of the article was evidence that the particles are LINKED which means CONNECTIONS not just "sticking"

THAT'S the part they wanted people to know. It could mean a basis for TELEPORTATION if the connections can be influenced by other forces.

Then it is a very good thing the project isn't in the hands of "normal" people isn't it? If it was left to the people here then there would never even be an Internet for them to communicate with, cell phones, GPS or CD players to use.

There is a lot more to things than pushing the buttons, like picking out the pictures on the registers at McDonalds doesn't make people expert chefs.

Dude, are you just trying to pick a fight? Have some manners.

Picking a fight? Isn't that ignoring the comments?

"what a waste of money. the emporer has no clothes."
"this looks like nothing more than a gargantuan machine that spins and makes little atoms or whatever"
"used as a perpetual bong"
"none of this would have happened if we were in power"
"empirical proof there is no God?"
"but by seeing the blank expressions on the cyber faces of the readers here, its safe to say that no one else even understood or cared"

I must've been taught a different definition and standard of manners because that certainly doesn't fit any.

Most of those comments were from iamaman.
So you kind of were picking a fight.
Unless they're the same person.

Only if he was using 4 other accounts since only 2 were from him. The evidence is right HERE on the page.

Ok so you quoted 4 different people as your excuse for picking a fight with ImConcerned, who said one?
I see a lot of frustratingly stupid posts on this board, I just didn't think ImConcerned deserved the flack of it.
Although that isn't the best thing to be quoted saying.

Your a failure. The evidence is right HERE on the page.

Just goes to show that saying anything on here is just as useful as "a fart in a windstorm"

So just go back to the usual "frustratingly stupid posts" and forget about anything remotely positvely about the advancement in human understanding of the universe.

It doesn't make any difference since it only proves the "blank expressions on the cyber faces of the readers here, its safe to say that no one else even understood or cared" to be an accurate description.

Maybe they'll have better luck with Crowdsource TV but I'm not holding my breath on it.

Are you grasping what I'm saying to you? Are the words making sense?
The frustratingly stupid posts are the ones you quoted.
I'm actually very interested in this article.
Way to be a tool, man.

No, it's just anything YOU say on here is just as useful as a "fart in a windstorm."

If they're so many "frustratingly stupid posts" why are you a member of current? Go find another forum where geeks like you can get your pent up frustration out.

Then why haven't you say anything about the article to show that interest? That would be a MUCH better way wouldn't it?

If all you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail. It helps to have the right "tool" for the right job.

I don't need to prove that I'm interested.
Since I'm in the same room as jimbones2045 we've been talking about it, don't feel any need to post.

I joined in 2006 to make VCAM's but unfortunately the site changed since then and the level of discourse has gone into the toilet.

I might ask you the same question but from the examples of your other comments, the answer wouldn't be very coherent so I won't

I do ask myself why I continue to be a member and there doesn't seem to be any good reason so I have been considering not remaining since it's just mostly a habit by now

So it's just for the entertainment value not any interest in scientific discovery you feel the need to post

"the site changed since then and the level of discourse has gone into the toilet"

That's the damn truth.

"I might ask you the same question but from the examples of your other comments, the answer wouldn't be very coherent so I won't"

That's rather presumptuous.

Entertainment value?
I don't feel the need to post about the discussion. I read the article, I was recommended this story and glanced at the board just to see if anyone else cared or believed it, saw your post about ImConcerned, and just mentioned that he hadn't said that laundry list of quotes. It's a fucking fact, dude. I have a lot to say about this and the subject of scientific discovery. It just happened I saw your post before I posted my comment.

Sorry, am I not writing clearly enough for you? I'll speak slower next time. I forget sometimes that people like you need to be talked to in smaller words.

Oh. She didn't say that laundry list of quotes.

Love how I'm getting voted down for mentioning something true.

Unfortunately no one ELSE bothered to even read the article much less had anything intelligent to say about what it meant besides me, so far

Do you wanna prize?

I'm really starting to wonder if most of the Folks around here can read at all.

Damn thats funny

^+1

Gives a hint to the very low standard of living that would be the norm if that were to be the case doesn't it?

huH? i dont get it.

say that again so that normal people can understad.

dont make ask for Mike Shanklins help.

uh yaa maan :D

Glad to be of help on your path to greater knowledge.

I suppose you would've said that about the research that produced the CD player, checkout scanner, DVD players and Optical drive too?

What a waste of a fotune to be made, no wonder the short sighted can't afford clothes

I concur.

But those people would've also told Columbus, Magellan and Vasco De Gamma to stay home because the dangerous sea voyage wasn't worth the risk either.

That's the trouble with "some people" they don't know, don't care and don't want to try to get anything better. Is it worth the risk of stagnation of death and decay to pay any attention or mention them? IS IT?

It takes a lot of brains to find the "branes." That FTL drive would sure be nice about now too.

It sure would kick evolution into a faster pace just like natural selection was accelerated by crossing oceans settling the continents.

MMmmmmm FTL drives....

But we do seem to have a major flaw in our system. I remember something really spectacular happened on July 20, 1969. I thought for sure we would be living out there by the year 2000. Here it is 2010 and we are still on Earth fighting the crusades again. Something is backwards here . . .

Just goes to show that other factors are making things more complex than natural selection was before.

VE-jER