Time Machine Built In Europe? Russian Physicists Say Large Hadron Collider Can Be Time Machine At Full Power

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If earlier time travel was considered science fiction, now it suddenly turned into the favorite pet project of theoretical physicists. Renowned physicist Kip Thorne of the California Institute of Technology once said in one of his lectures:
“Once upon a time, time travel was the exclusive prerogative of writers. Serious scientists were shunning it like the plague, even when they were writing novels under a pseudonym or were secretly reading them. The times have changed! Now in serious scientific journals you can find a scientific analysis of time travel, authored by outstanding theoretical physicists. Why this change? Physics simply understood that the nature of time is too important to give it to the mercy of writers.”
Today, there are many different schemes of devices designed for time travel. The main one is the Large Hadron Collider. It was launched in the fall of 2008. This is the most powerful particle accelerator in history located on the border of Switzerland and France. In its 27-kilometer ring scientists are trying to collide beams of protons accelerated to nearly light speed. As expected, this device will provide new information about particles and forces acting in space, as well as will reproduce conditions that existed immediately after the Big Bang gave birth to the universe.
Russia Today: LHC's little brother to beam near Moscow
After launching the collider, people were scared of the giant black hole capable of swallowing the Earth. Yet, scientists quickly calmed the population saying that in case of a collision of particles in the collider, the holes that may appear would be microscopic, or so large that they can be used as a handy tool for time travel.
This sensational proposal was made by two doctors of physical and mathematical sciences, Professors of Institute of Mathematics named after Steklov, Irina Arefyeva and Igor Volovich.
“Modern principles of theoretical mathematical physics allow the possibility of time travel,” explains Volovich, a member of RAS. “One of the admissible models of working time machine is the so-called wormhole, that is, a space-time tunnel leading to another time or space. And the probability of formation of a wormhole in the LHC is comparable to the probability of occurrence of the black hole itself, which can occur when particles collide with high energy.
As explained by the physics, wormhole is a tunnel connecting different parts of space and time. Entrance to the tunnel may be the size of a star, a planet, a house and even a speck of dust, depending on a purpose of the tunnel use. After all, there is a difference between sending a photon or a group of tourists. You can get to another galaxy, or another universe. And you can also get into in the past. In terms of the physical properties, the entrance to the wormhole is very similar to the entrance to the black hole. The difference is that you can come back.
Since the LHC is designed, figuratively speaking, to create a part of space on Earth, then it can be used to obtain dark energy. This is also an important detail of creating the miracle machine. Another necessary condition for making the machine work is to distort space and time so it closes up in a ring. And the LHC is quite capable of that.
“This phenomenon in physics is called “closed time-like curve,” explains Professor Arefyeva. “It allows, at least theoretically, returning to the past.”
“Is it possible to have a paradox described by Bradbury, when a traveler caught in the past accidentally steps on a butterfly, which results in coming to power of a different president in his time? “
“We expected such issues,” says professor Volovich. “We came to this conclusion: time travel may change the course of history, but not very significantly.”
To make time machine the reality, the scientists stress the need for the LHC to reach at least the design capacity (now it is working at half capacity) and stop breaking down.
“So far, our biggest home is that the LHC will demonstrate the existence of wormhole. If some of the collision energy in the collider disappears, this can be explained by the creation of particles that pierce time through wormholes.”
Research and Development Center of the European Council for Nuclear Research (CERN), promised that the LHC will start working as expected in September. Then it becomes clear whether Russian physicists were right in their solution of the most intriguing problem of mankind.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/06-08-2010/114515-time_machine-0/
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twohawks
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Previously, in a future experiment...
Does the Past Exist Yet? Evidence Suggests Your Past Isn't Set in Stone
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-the-past-exist-yet-e_b_683103.ht...Excerpts:
"Physics tells us that objects exist in a suspended state until observed, when they collapse in to just one outcome. Paradoxically, whether events happened in the past may not be determined until sometime in your future -- and may even depend on actions that you haven't taken yet.""More recently (Science 315, 966, 2007), scientists in France shot photons into an apparatus, and showed that what they did could retroactively change something that had already happened. As the photons passed a fork in the apparatus, they had to decide whether to behave like particles or waves when they hit a beam splitter. Later on - well after the photons passed the fork - the experimenter could randomly switch a second beam splitter on and off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle actually did at the fork in the past. At that moment, the experimenter chose his history."
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twohawks:
This is very interesting.
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MotherForTruth
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jimbones2045
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I'm not surprised these geeks figured out something to do with that giant magnetic circle. I didn't think they would spend so much money to build that just to shoot atoms at a wall. They probably knew it had time travel possibilities when they decided it was worth building.
Go science!
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CCorsair
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the Funnest thing i was looking around failed TV pilot's and fond this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KiXw2VVaT4 as remake of The Time Tunnel done 2002
this was 2002 Time Tunnel Pilot Remake for Fox, but was never picked up
the idea was a Super Collider being used to test for making fusion reactor screwed up and history is re-written but for those at ground zero. The Screw up creates a Time Storm they can walk into and change things back in.. not the same as the original but an update..This article is like a page out the script for this dead pilot.. really its bad B Movie stuff . Super Collider are for viewing the effects of Particles at the sub-atomic level when you as in the name Collide particles in high acceleration and nothing more .. thing happen on such a small scale it would not effect us in anyway..Then again if we are infinite and we are making little big bangs who knows what universe exist that we are effecting ? (just a thought) something i have noted for some time is this effect of memory .. People remembering thing wrong like knowing some is gone and dead but then to find them alive and well or events happening but never did.. its like Déjà vu you feel like you been some place doing the same thing or see some one you should know but do not..I had thought once what if all the stuff were are doing not the just the collides but all of it the Atomic bombs and all were sending out ripples in the time/space fabric and changing thing in just some small ways.. would any of us know it and would it matter if history Burped or hiccuped and changed things oh so little The Scientist knew so little of the effect of the early atomic bombs and the radiation. Heck they said that there was a 50% chance of blowing the whole plant atmosphere during the first bombs .. the hole earth could have just gone Poof in a fire ball according to what math said on paper..
lol.. It didn't happen but then again maybe it did and we some how re-wrote time ..ya it all just fiction to some one make it happen for real . - 1 year ago
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CCorsair:
Movies are a seed-planting machine. They plant ideas in the brain for what direction they want things to go, or sometimes to get the masses to look in another direction over there while they do stuff unobserved over here. I don't reckon it was always like that but it has been for a while. TV too.
If you make a movie/TV and stir in the correct amount of love-making, humor and/or great music after a few decades of planting seeds you would become a Master Seed Planter.
A lot like what we have right now. They wanted funding and support for Space exploration so they gave the moviegoers with the most money to burn a planet with tall blue aliens to evoke compassion, respect and love.
Subliminal messages have long been recognized to do these things. Movies aren't that. They in your face, in your ears, in your eyes, a fast route to the brain.It helps if ya get people in a sick condition first where their brain is more acceptable to suggestion.
What they have succeeded in doing is getting all taxpayers to feeling like when a few astronauts have made it into orbit each of them feels like they have made it into orbit also, The Feeling totally devoid of any Substance. They haven't gone anywhere, haven't experienced Outer Space, and have less money in their pocket than when they walked into the Brainwash Theatre.
A bit like being robbed while on a Stagecoach ride 150 years ago.
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Argon18
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http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/05/stephen-hawkings-timetravel-instruc...
Stephen Hawking's "Time-Travel Instruction Kit" Needed for assembly: "One wormhole, the Large Hadron Collider, or a rocket that goes really, really fast."
"Imagine that the train left the station on January 1, 2050. It circles Earth over and over again for 100 years before finally coming to a halt on New Year's Day, 2150. The passengers will have only lived one week because time is slowed down that much inside the train. When they got out they'd find a very different world from the one they'd left. In one week they'd have travelled 100 years into the future. Of course, building a train that could reach such a speed is quite impossible. But we have built something very like the train at the world's largest particle accelerator at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland.
"Deep underground, in a circular tunnel 16 miles long, is a stream of trillions of tiny particles. When the power is turned on they accelerate from zero to 60,000mph in a fraction of a second. Increase the power and the particles go faster and faster, until they're whizzing around the tunnel 11,000 times a second, which is almost the speed of light. But just like the train, they never quite reach that ultimate speed. They can only get to 99.99 per cent of the limit. When that happens, they too start to travel in time. We know this because of some extremely short-lived particles, called pi-mesons. Ordinarily, they disintegrate after just 25 billionths of a second. But when they are accelerated to near-light speed they last 30 times longer."
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From What the Terminator Series has taught me, time travel is very complex and contradictory, and is best left alone.
Unless, of course, you want the rest of human histroy to be a bunch of interrelated-unrelated paradox sequels...with robots and Jurassic park combined.
Because...you know...that'd be fuckin sweet.
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keepthinkingboo
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wow ...
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southrabbit:
Try getting revenge on the ocean for getting you wet and see if the waves get their just desserts for rolling over you.
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Time is one of the great mysteries of the universe. We are all swept up in the river of time against our will. Around AD400, Saint Augustine wrote extensively about the paradoxical nature of time: 'How can the past and future be, when the past no longer is, and the future is not yet? As for the present, if it were always present and never moved on to become the past, it would not be time, but eternity.' If we take Saint Augustine's logic further, we see that time is not possible, since the past is gone, the future does not exist, and the present exists only for an instant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3337049/Prof-Michio-Kaku-on-the-...
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bundlebear:
Present switching to Past leaves Constants to keep being the Present. Saint Augustine was trapped inside a False Religion that also believes in a Trinity [that isn't even mentioned in the Bible].
They wrap their daily bread in mystery. It's in their blood not to know stuff.
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Gravity_Man:
Have you actually read Augustine? Granted he was shrouded in his religion, but the man was quite brilliant. Also, utilizing the "straw man" fallacy is not a good argument sir.
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southrabbit:
Wouldn't that be like trying to get revenge on gravity? It wouldn't make any difference to electro-magnetism to get dessert
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once doc brown gets the flux capacitor workin' time travel will be a breeze
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dudefromtherock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cYgRnfFDA&feature=related
But he needs the 1.21 Gigawatts first...
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CalPal:
"The nominal annual electricity consumption reaches some 1000 GWh when all accelerators are in operation."
I think they have more than enough
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Argon18:
... I just wanted an excuse to post that video. You ruined the moment!
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CalPal:
;) Then be more creative and come up with a better excuse 8O))~~
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For the particles it accelerates it slows time, but it is far from the Sci-Fi definition of time travel.
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time is what keeps everything from happening at once.
once, while i was hovering near death in the hospital, i had a hallucination about the nature of space/time. it would take too long to tell that story now but if it were true, time travel would induce madness an destruction on a global scale. our thinking is on a linear scale as is space/time.
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royulery:
"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so," time zones and daylight savings time even more than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jovd8ve4wbo
It all depends on the inertial frame of reference to the acceleration that you're experiencing. Lewis and Tolman described the reciprocity of time dilation by using two light clocks A and B, traveling with a certain relative velocity to each other.
The clocks consist of two plane mirrors parallel to one another and to the line of motion. Between the mirrors a light signal is bouncing, and for the observer resting in the same reference frame as A, the period of clock A is the distance between the mirrors divided by the speed of light. But if the observer looks at clock B, he sees that within that clock the signal traces out a longer, angled path, thus clock B is slower than A. However, for the observer moving alongside with B the situation is completely in reverse: Clock B is faster and A is slower.
Also Lorentz discussed the reciprocity of time dilation and analyzed a clock "paradox", which apparently occurs as a consequence of the reciprocity of time dilation. Lorentz showed that there is no paradox if one considers that in one system only one clock is used, while in the other system two clocks are necessary. So the relativity of simultaneity has to be considered as well.
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rhetoricallyineffective
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Maybe they already used it. DUN DUN DUUUN
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rhetoricallyineffective:
They have done it already. They knew before building it what the capabilities of this machine would be.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
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keithponder:
Ponder, you're hopeless! You been staring at the sun ring waiting for the explosion again, haven't you? http://current.com/technology/92729191_enormous-ring-is-developing-on-the-sun.ht...
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keithponder:
What did they accomplish then? An economic collapse of Wall Street derivatives and the housing market? Citizens United Supreme Court Decision? Obama's election?
What would be worth changing the timeline for?
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That story was from last June, doesn't that make a difference in time travel? A more up to date story from last Thursday says that the LHC is up and running now
http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2010/10/14/mission-accomplished-for-lhc...
"The scientists working the overnight shift at CERN’s Control Centre for accelerators had a reason to celebrate this morning. At 3:38 a.m. beams of protons were colliding with a luminosity of 1.01 × 1032, a milestone that the teams running the Large Hadron Collider had been working all year to achieve."
More than just time travel is a possiblity, since traveling between dimensions could also be done with some of the research being done at the LHC.
"Soon after branes became popular, Randall and Sundrum put a crucial new spin on the idea: by letting the extra dimensions have a substantial spatial curvature, you could actually explain fine-tunings rather than simply converting them into different fine-tunings. This model has intriguing connections with string theory, and its own set of experimental predictions, for one thing, you could be making gravitons at the LHC, which would escape into the extra dimensions."
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ReverandG
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Someone has been watching too many "Sliders" shows.
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ReverandG:
Yeah right, and God created the Earth in 6 days too, right ?
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ReverandG:
They said that about people reading 20,000 Leagues under the Sea and From the Earth to the Moon too.
Sliders was probably just as ahead of it's time also
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southrabbit:
God is 1-0 on them thrashings, just ask Lucifer. Seems a humble petition is more logical, given what the loser's purse contains.
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I remember reading an article from before it was completed that said once LHC was functional, they will be able to return to that point from anywhere in the future. This is nuts!
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rebel_scum:
Right! People think a time machine can just travel to any point in time but the fact is that a time machine can only be used to go back to the point in which it was made. It makes sense to me and seems a little more possible when you think about it that way.
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MotherForTruth
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Wow. How far back would we need to travel to fix the wrongs?
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MotherForTruth:
All the way! :)
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MotherForTruth:
if we time travel to fix things, im pretty sure other issues would arise in its place haha. maybe im a fatalist.
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thetrimsmith:
Do you mean going back to before America was "discovered"?
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sidewaysclyde:
Then we could keep on going back until we get it right :)
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MotherForTruth:
I believe our turn off the track was the Industrial Revolution, we abandoned Agriculture and have been polluting shamelessly. It has been downhill ever since. Change the callousness we developed, through industry, for our Mother.
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thetrimsmith:
The mistake was crawling out of the sea where there was more freedom of movement and plenty to catch
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thetrimsmith:
The assumption that we would go back in time to make thing better but if the choice existed only those who can afford using the time machine would be able to use it and no telling what they would choose to do.
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MotherForTruth:
That is a further assumption about who controls it. You could also make an assumption that the scientists didn't reveal that aspect of what the LHC could do to those that fund it.
Would those dedicated to research and expanding knowledge have more reason to try and "make things better?"
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Argon18:
Lol, true. My first answer was when we developed thumbs and mastered fire. Leaped to the I. R. instead.
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MotherForTruth:
Right, I like to believe the past is in stone. Unalterable, for that very reason.
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thetrimsmith:
The sea is a lot more comfortable out of the weather and fire is not necessary to keep warm there.
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Great Scott!! 1.21 Gigawatts!!!!
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Nick19
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Quick! To 2000, there is still time to rig the election and prevent a huge 8 year mistake!
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One time, when I was super baked... I said "future lineage of mine, from centuries or millenia from now... show yourselves!".
Nothing happened at all. They didn't want to show themselves because it would startle me to death, the technology will never exist or my lineage died off.
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The nature of time travel being what it is, if it is possible then they have already done it. Just maybe not yet.
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mik661
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sweet.
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NiceN
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Sweet, i'll get my hightops and hoverboard.
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kangarooman
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im intrigued.
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Taking bets for what the time travel rules are:
>Terminator
>Back to the Future
>Roswell That Ends Well (the futurama episode [I forgot what else had this rule]) - 1 year ago
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Yeah, hurry and fix it. I'm curious as to if this will work or not.
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remanns
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Well,....FIX it already ! ( or in the future,....or yesterday in the future . . .)
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remanns