What to do if we find extraterrestrial life

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Scientists are searching for extraterrestrial life in a number of different ways and places. One aspect of this is the search for extrasolar planets, on the basis that an Earthlike planet around a sunlike star might be a good place to look. The first super-Earths have been discovered, and the longer-term goal will be to undertake spectral analysis of the atmospheres of such exoplanets, looking for oxygen, ozone, water and other potential indicators of life. The recent excitement over Gliese 581g brings such work into focus — though even the very existence of this world is now the matter of some debate.
Other scientists believe our best chance of discovering alien life will be a human or robotic mission in our own solar system — probably to Mars — targeted at detecting extraterrestrial microbial life. But the controversy begins with the small but vociferous group of scientists who use radio telescopes to search the sky for a signal from other civilizations.
Nick Pope worked for the British Ministry of Defense for 21 years, and one of his jobs involved investigating UFO sightings. He now works as a freelance journalist and media commentator.
The radio search for extraterrestrial intelligence, or SETI, is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. The lack of results has led to a reassessment of search strategies. Some exotic ideas about where to look and what to look for were discussed at the Royal Society meeting. Clement Vidal, a researcher at the Free University of Brussels, speculated that advanced civilizations might migrate toward black holes, not least because they represent the ultimate energy source. Steven Dick, formerly NASA’s chief historian, speculated that we might be living in a post-biological universe, dominated by artificial intelligence, on the basis that intelligences would be driven to improve and perpetuate.
When I heard the phrase "immortal thinking machines," I had to remind myself that I was at the Royal Society, not a sci-fi convention.
So what happens if SETI find a signal? Do we reply? Though not present, the shadow of Professor Stephen Hawking loomed large over the meeting. Earlier this year Hawking warned bluntly that contacting aliens could have catastrophic consequences for the human race. He likened this to the arrival of Christopher Columbus in the New World, and pointed out that matters didn’t turn out too well for the Native Americans. This echoed a remark made at the Royal Society’s January conference, when Professor Simon Conway Morris, a Cambridge University palaeontologist, said "if the cosmic phone rings, don’t answer."
Related to this question is the issue of active SETI, sometimes known as METI (messaging to extraterrestrial intelligence). This was discussed extensively at this month’s meeting, and that’s when things got heated.
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Some SETI scientists want to move into METI. One reason is the theory that extraterrestrials might not initiate contact, but might respond to a message we send. Some METI has already been done – for example, the "Cosmic Calls" transmitted in 1999 and 2003 from the Evpatoria radar installation in Ukraine under the supervision of Alexander Zaitsev.
The SETI Institute's "Earth Speaks" project has attempted to engage the public on this and asks for suggestions on what we might transmit. The messages range from the poignant to the amusing, with my favorite being "Hi, be careful, we are deadly and it’s pretty boring here anyway so don’t bother coming."
Author and futurist David Brin felt strongly that there ought to be a moratorium on METI, until such time as an informed debate could take place. There was talk of "sages" being consulted, but no consensus on who those sages might be, or whether the other 6 billion of us might get a say. Brin felt objectors to METI were being ridiculed with Hollywood stereotypes about evil aliens and said this showed a disappointing lack of imagination. He asked what was wrong with having a debate on the subject, as such a debate would be responsible, interesting and fun.
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Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at the SETI Institute, took the opposite view. He said that any attempts to proscribe METI were rooted in paranoia and would be anti-science. He saw no point in any consultation process, because it wasn’t clear who would have the right to decide, or how it would help us pick the right answer. He also wondered how, short of going to war, any moratorium could be enforced. Shostak and others have pointed out that the horse has left the barn long ago and that we’ve been a detectable civilization for decades anyway, due to our FM, television and radar signals. This point is disputed, but the question is unanswerable at present. We don’t know how big or powerful alien radio telescopes might be – if indeed such things exist.
Such are the debates that bedevil the SETI community, where scientists speculate about something which they can’t study and which we don’t even know is there at all.
The closest thing there is to any regulation of all this is the SETI community’s “Declaration of Principles Concerning the Conduct of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.” This revised document was unanimously adopted by the SETI Permanent Study Group of the International Academy of Astronautics on Sept. 30. It states that “In the case of the confirmed detection of a signal, signatories to this declaration will not respond without first seeking guidance and consent of a broadly representative international body, such as the United Nations”. However, none of this covers METI – and in any case, the agreement is between individuals and non-governmental organisations, not between nations.
One of the speakers at the Royal Society meeting was Professor Mazlan Othman, a Malaysian astrophysicist who is director of the U.N. Office for Outer Space Affairs. The week before the meeting, numerous media outlets carried a story that she was being appointed an “alien ambassador” – a spokeswoman for Planet Earth if E.T. comes calling. Rumors flew around the UFO and conspiracy theory communities that an alien signal had been detected and that an announcement was imminent. The Royal Society meeting itself was seen as being part of this process, and when the alien ambassador story was denied, this started rumors of a cover-up.
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At the meeting, Othman made it clear that the story was false and derived from a mistaken interpretation of the point she did make – that is, that her U.N. office and the U.N. Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space, or COPUOS, might be appropriate forums for managing the global response to the discovery of extraterrestrial life.
Othman set out some ideas on the process whereby the various issues that would arise from the discovery or detection of extraterrestrial life – scientific, societal, legal and ethical – might be brought to the U.N. As a potential precedent for this process, she referred to the issue of potentially threatening near-Earth objects, which is being addressed by experts working with COPUOS and other organizations.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39675346/ns/technology_and_science/
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a619ko
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Thats an Alien invasion, so all that talk of peace...Nope.
- 1 year ago
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a619ko
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Mark701
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It's kind of funny that some think that contacting aliens could be dangerous. If you look at this issue rationally you have to conclude that intelligent life would likely go to great lengths to AVOID contacting us.
- 1 year ago
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Mark701
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UtopianSky
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Mark701:
Like on StarTrek- we are a pre-warp civilization, so the prime directive says hands off, no contact.
My God, I am such a geek. :)
- 1 year ago
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UtopianSky
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Nephwrack
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hasn't anyone played dead space?
- 1 year ago
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Nephwrack
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cinematenango
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Nephwrack:
May I ask what is playing dead space?
- 1 year ago
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cinematenango
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Nephwrack
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cinematenango:
it's a PS3 game.
- 1 year ago
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Nephwrack
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cinematenango
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We are a life form that is based on the sun as the energy source, but imagine that in an infinite universe,there are infinite possibilities, so there must be some other unimaginable energy sources in this universe equally capable of creating life, but it could be so different, we might not even be able to find each other while starring at each other. Maybe if they are more advanced, they've already moved on from the physical form our senses can detect to a more complex life form in which our senses are not yet capable of picking up. Or what if we humans are the oldest life form in the universe,the first one? Because every intelligent life form started some where.
I hope we are not the first ones.
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cinematenango
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SpencerTreeGarden
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How about more focus on how we would get to this point.
- 1 year ago
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SpencerTreeGarden
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echelgreen
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Anyone ever thought that we are searching for E.T. the wrong way. Having to obey the speed of light for communication is too incredibly slow of a process. Is it so hard to conceive that besides being technologically advanced, that E.T. would also have been evolving in terms of consciousness. Maybe they are waiting for a civilization to reach not a heightened technological state but rather have a highly evolved sense of their place in the cosmos through internal study of consciousness. It is clear that a true science of consciousness is on the verge. We know that particles can communicate in a nonlocal manner via entanglement, superceding the cosmic speed limit. I believe consciousness will be found to also behave nonlocally. So someday, when mainstream science gets its head out it own ass, it may be plausible for a system of nonlocal communication with intelligible E.T.over interstellar distances to be developed someday. It might work on the principle of communication with water though hydrogen bonds or maybe we may already be capable of such communication via our minds as Dr. Steven Greer encourages. All I know is that science fact seems way stranger than science fiction everyday and the future is definitely begging for a science of consciousness.
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echelgreen
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echelgreen
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echelgreen:
Just found this article today on Popular Science. The Navy is now using saltwater based antennas. So this is beginning step to what I was talking about using H2O as a communication medium. This is not quite what I meant, since the process is dependent on the magnetic effects NaCl in the water. So this is clearly still a system limited by the speed of light, but is clearly a leap forward in communications. http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-11/seawater-antennas-could-replace...
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echelgreen
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jonbrooks
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eat it.
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jonbrooks
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snackynak
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The first extraterrestrial we meet will be human.
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snackynak
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keithponder
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snackynak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4XAs2681O0&feature=related
You're partly right, but in truth, extraterrestrials and alien beings have knowingly been in contact with our government for well over 50 years. Some of them do closely resemble human beings.
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keithponder
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snackynak
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keithponder:
Not exactly what I was talking about.
Technically, a person born in space could be considered an extraterrestrial, its more likely will see one of those before we see someone from another star system. . - 1 year ago
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snackynak
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echelgreen
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snackynak:
Or damn close. It will most likely be humanoid, if you will. It might be this galaxies ultimate inherent design for life to evolve to such a form, just like a soap bubble must be round. It is the most efficient and stable form for it to take.
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echelgreen
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keithponder
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snackynak:
Is it more than likely because you believe that it is more than likely, or is it more than likely because you have data to valid your beliefs /
Because you or I, for that matter, may not have proof that aliens from another galaxy have not traveled to Earth already does not mean that they haven't. Humans first off, have to stop thinking that we are the most superior form of intelligent life in this great universe before we can get our heads around the fact that we probably are not.
Because you don't believe it does not mean that it doesn't exist.
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keithponder
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Tyr
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keithponder:
yeah and the republicans would demand that they speak to us only in English.
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Tyr
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snackynak
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keithponder:
Because I have data.
NASA has been experimenting with animal reproduction in mircogravity for decades, and while we are still a long ways off from being able to safely and ethically give birth in that kind of environment, the finish line is more of a realistic goal. This is because before we even think about setting up and permanent colonies in orbit, on the moon, or on mars, living things have to be able to reproduce in the different gravitational conditions. - 1 year ago
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snackynak
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keithponder
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snackynak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mGGlz6qdMA&feature=related
Never A Straight Answer.
NASA has never told the public the truth about anything.
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keithponder
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Nephwrack
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snackynak:
i thought they were gonna be vulcans!
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Nephwrack
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Nephwrack
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keithponder:
the face on cydonia always looked like a monkey to me! Damn dirty apes! XD
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Nephwrack
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Nephwrack
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snackynak:
i'll volunteer for that study once they get to human trials!
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Nephwrack
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keithponder
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Nephwrack:
Maybe it is a sculpture of a monkey. Remember the movie "Planet of the Apes"?
Where does Hollywood normally get information for making these movies. Some people that they get it from the CIA and NASA.
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keithponder
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Nephwrack
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keithponder:
fascinating lecture.
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Nephwrack
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UtopianSky
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Tyr:
They will have Babelfish. :)
http://lastround.org/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fish.jpg - 1 year ago
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UtopianSky
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carslut
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As long as we keep the politicians out of this, we'll probably be O.K. Can you imagine how bad they could fuck this one up? Obama would probably force them to buy health insurance before they landed..........
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carslut
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Nephwrack
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carslut:
as opposed to bush, who would have had them renditioned then shot execution-style??
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Nephwrack
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remanns
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ALIENS; they either eat us or they don't. Get over it. Just sayin.
p.s.( and don't eat the Martian soil )
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remanns
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remanns
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continue eating shitting fighting fucking and sleeping.
( we will manage to keep thinking very highly of ourselves, even if 'they' are the very angels themselves; hey we gots tenacity ) - 1 year ago
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remanns
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Progresshiv
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Several hundred thousand years ago, extraterrestrial visitors altered the genetic makeup of an anthropoid terrestrial ape, giving it the ability to obsess about itself. The resultant cognitive functions (which we call thinking) allowed the development of a robust ego and a propensity for seeking out pattern.
The new species was endowed with the ability to construct using raw materials, and it was fitted with dominant genes that would guarantee it would finally construct the means of its own destruction, thus obviating the need for extermination by outside forces.
The visitors, unsure as to what the future would bring, made certain that the experiment would self-terminate after the creature had exhausted the limits of its cognitive potential. Therefore, the creature was given a love of motion and of speed, and these drives led it to construct a worldwide network of machines that convert fossil fuels to atmospheric carbon. Now that the carbon threshold has been reached, the creature is being slowly informed about the nature of the experiment, since it can do nothing to stop the process.
All information the creature gathered has been beamed into space via television and radio, and it will remain there until those who created the experiment wish to gather it and place it into their archives. It has been an interesting, if bloody, test, and it remains to be seen if anything will come of it.
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Progresshiv
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remanns
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Progresshiv:
ALMOST a P.K.Dick short novel,.....but a little to easy to follow sequentially.( Try randomizing the order of paragraphs somewhat.)
OR
Just add something along the lines of " ....but this just seemed to Bill that way, as he watched on from within the mind of an alien" at the end. Yepper. There IS apparently SOME money in that sort of thing you know,....if you keep at it forever. Watch out for those mind contacting satellites though.
Oh,....+^d !
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remanns
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Progresshiv
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remanns:
Cue the electronic music.....
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Progresshiv
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hunzedog
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Progresshiv:
that explains it
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hunzedog
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Nephwrack
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Progresshiv:
lol i was just thinking of vangelis as i read that!
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Nephwrack
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Progresshiv
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Nephwrack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYeDsa4Tw0c
Conquest of Paradise
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Progresshiv
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Blind_Watchmaker
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Depends whether they contact us directly (by showing up in spaceships) or wether we intercept a transmission via SETI.
If we discover E.T. via SETI then the transmissions have probably travelled so far and for so long that the civilization sending them would have drastically changed since the time they were sent. The same applies if we send a message back, aliens may receive a message from earth abut by the time they arrive all they might find would be a nuclear wasteland ruled by giant cockroaches.
If they show up in a spaceship there's not much we can do except extend the olive branch of peace, if they can travel interstellar distances who knows what kind of weapons they're packing. Although if they did show up i'd be sure to ask for some of the secrets behind their technology, and if they didn't oblige i'd sneak into their spaceship and steal everything that's not nailed down...
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Blind_Watchmaker
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Varex_Sythe
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What to do if we find extraterrestrial life?
Send all of the religious people who go door to door to convert others to the aliens in an attempt to "share" our culture.
Then again, that might be taken as an act of war...
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Varex_Sythe
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kyackr
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Follow the 'Prime Directive'
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kyackr
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JosephJinx
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I dunno. I'm pretty sure we'll have to be warp-capable first before worrying about any of this.
- 1 year ago
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JosephJinx
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a619ko
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Hawkins scares me...
- 1 year ago
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a619ko
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PzLuvHappeniz
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I feel like the arrival of a peaceful alien race would be amazing in so many regards, there would be one problem. What happened everytime europeans settled anywhere? They brought new disease it would be possible that sometihng like that could happen, which would suck for all of us (even the aliens)
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PzLuvHappeniz
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kangarooman
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onemalefla:
you read Erich Von Daniken?
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kangarooman
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TomTucker
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Dissect them to make sure they are real.
Are you Ready for Fake Aliens?
http://current.com/news/92732229_are-you-ready-for-the-fake-aliens.htm - 1 year ago
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TomTucker
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Progresshiv
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TomTucker:
That's a fun one. I like the mangled English and electronic sound effects.
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Progresshiv
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PirateSauce
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They've already found US.
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PirateSauce
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jimbones2045
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If E.T. came into my back yard right now and I had to take care of him like the little boy did... I'd hot box my bed room. No question. An alien is in my bedroom? Get the bong! It's time to subdue this foreign creature.
I'd strap a gas mask steam roller to it's head and burn until the lighter was outta fuel.
Then we'd chat.
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jimbones2045
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hunzedog
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jimbones2045:
shit JIm...he would probably have the space bud..
i would tell him to roll one out of his sack..... - 1 year ago
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hunzedog
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thetrimsmith
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hunzedog:
Yeah, and we would wind up like Smokey in ''Friday''. Running down the road in our underwear, while they hover behind us laughing!
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thetrimsmith
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hunzedog
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thetrimsmith:
i shure friggin hope so !
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hunzedog
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thetrimsmith
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hunzedog:
I didn't say I wouldn't partake, count me in! ;)
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thetrimsmith
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hunzedog
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thetrimsmith:
eeeeeeeer
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hunzedog
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thetrimsmith
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hunzedog:
Thanks... (deep inhale)
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thetrimsmith
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Dazedandconfused
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hunzedog:
no no no they would have space coke does anyone watch cheech and chong? And then we would obtain super strength and the ability to fly
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Dazedandconfused
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unimatrix0
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Sit down, load a bowl, pass the pipe, and listen to some Pink Floyd.
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unimatrix0
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thetrimsmith
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unimatrix0:
Sounds like how I spend my evenings, when the day is done. ^'d.
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thetrimsmith
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Dmerza1989
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ever see that movie district 9? That's seriously a good view of what would happen. There would be a huge gap in language so people would just assume they dont know better, other than understanding they are different very different almost like they are from some other planet.
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Dmerza1989
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mik661
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Dmerza1989:
I liked that movie most people sort of missed the whole tie in to apartheid.
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mik661
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Dmerza1989
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mik661:
I knew that going in that's why i was pretty excited to see it!
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Dmerza1989
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Nephwrack
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Dmerza1989:
unless it was more like war of the worlds!
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Nephwrack
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Nephwrack
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mik661:
it was messed up when i saw that in the theater! people were laughing at the fucked up parts!
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Nephwrack
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themotivateddropout
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I'm not as into the theories that UFOs have already entered our atmosphere, but to question the idea that we are not the only intelligent life in this vast, endless galaxy is the definition of delusion.
I hate having to use the word "might" when talking about the existence of aliens. - 1 year ago
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themotivateddropout
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Dazedandconfused
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I'll probably just ask if they wanna burn one real quick before i have to go take my SATs
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Dazedandconfused
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Dmerza1989
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Dazedandconfused:
Dazed do you have to take them soon? If so GOOD LUCK!
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Dmerza1989
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Dazedandconfused
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Dmerza1989:
i did a little experiment when i was taking the ACTs, usually i get way to stressed to test, so in order to conteract my nerosis (sorry can't speel) I got really REALLY high, well anyways i finished with time to spare and got the highest score in my entire school district, heh just goes to show. Also thanks, i'm gonna need it
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Dazedandconfused
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Dmerza1989
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Dazedandconfused:
It works! Study high, Take the test high get high scores! Thats why ever person at my school who i know smokes pot is on the deans and presidents list! People saying stoners get bad grades is just poppycock!.
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Dmerza1989
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bailey78
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Oh! and who is to say that we won't be on the Menu? We are quite tasty after all
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bailey78
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bailey78
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Umm convert them to Christianity?
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bailey78
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Dmerza1989
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bailey78:
aliens are scientologist everyone knows that silly! :)
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Dmerza1989
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bailey78
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Dmerza1989:
Sorry my bad.
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bailey78
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Dazedandconfused
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bailey78:
yeah or kill them if they dont conform, You here that you alien scum you believe in my God or we'll destroy you !
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Dazedandconfused
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bailey78
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Dazedandconfused:
Hey thats what they have been doing sense they got togeather. Kill all those that are diffrent an do not conform to what they are told.
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bailey78
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Dazedandconfused
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bailey78:
christianity is a expansionist religeon, convert the non-belivers, NOT let the non- belivers live their own lives
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Dazedandconfused
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Dazedandconfused
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Dmerza1989:
lol d+^
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Dazedandconfused
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mik661
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bailey78:
Now that's funny. some big bad alien civilization shows up and the first contact is two mormon guys on bikes. They would probably quarantine our planet and never come back again.
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mik661
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mik661
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Dmerza1989:
I think the South Park episode dealing with Scientology to be one of the funniest programs I have ever watched.
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mik661
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mik661
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Dmerza1989:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closet Here it is in all its glory
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mik661
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bailey78
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mik661:
Stranger things have happen.
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bailey78
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Dmerza1989
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mik661:
Oh i have seen it hundreds of times! Its sooo awesome! did you know that in 2001a movie that MIGHT have been about Scientology was banned ? it was called The Profit and there and pretty much no way to ever see it. Scientology has alot of money and thats pretty scary.
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Dmerza1989
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mik661
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Dmerza1989:
The similarity to the Church of Latter Day Saints is what scary. Giant, cult like organizations full of cash and political influence exploiting their followers.
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mik661
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Dmerza1989
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mik661:
LMAO right! I like that view!
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Dmerza1989
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LAJOLLAMUSIC
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I hope they find us Before we find them!
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LAJOLLAMUSIC