Has the World Already Passed “Peak Oil”?
source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2010/11/101109-peak-oil-iea-world-energy-outl...
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The International Energy Agency forecasts that Iraq will triple production from its oil fields, like the al-Fakkah, shown here, but global crude production will stagnate. IEA says the world is becoming increasingly reliant on expensive unconventional sources, like the tar sands of Alberta, Canada, below.
For National Geographic News
This story is part of a special series that explores energy issues. For more, visit The Great Energy Challenge.
The year 2006 may be remembered for civil strife in Iraq, the nuclear weapon testing threat by North Korea, and the genocide in Darfur, but now it appears that another world event was occurring at the same time—without headlines, but with far-reaching consequence for all nations.
That’s the year that the world’s conventional oil production likely reached its peak, the International Energy Agency (IEA) in Vienna, Austria, said Tuesday.
According to the 25-year forecast in the IEA's latest annual World Energy Outlook, the most likely scenario is for crude oil production to stay on a plateau at about 68 to 69 million barrels per day.
In this scenario, crude oil production "never regains its all-time peak of 70 million barrels per day reached in 2006," said IEA’s World Energy Outlook 2010.
In previous years, the IEA had predicted that crude oil production would continue to rise for at least another couple of decades.
Now, because of rising oil prices, declines in investment by the oil industry, and new commitments by some nations to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, the new forecast says oil production is likely to be lower than the IEA had expected.
End of Cheap Oil
The projected flat crude oil production doesn’t translate into an immediate shortage of fuels for the world’s cars and trucks. IEA actually projects that the total production of what it calls “petroleum fuels” is most likely to continue steadily rising, reaching about 99 million barrels per day by 2035.
This growth in liquid fuels would come entirely from unconventional sources, including "natural gas liquids," which are created as a by-product of tapping natural gas reservoirs.
(Quiz: “What You Don’t Know About Natural Gas”)
The consequences for the world’s energy consumers of this increased reliance on natural gas liquids and other unconventional fuels are stark.
"The age of cheap oil is over," said Fatih Birol, IEA chief economist.
"If the consuming nations do not make major efforts to slow down the oil demand growth, we will see higher oil prices," Birol said, "which we think is not good news for the economies of the consuming nations."
(Related: “The End of Cheap Oil”)
IEA was set up by most of the world's industrialized countries after the 1970s world oil crises to analyze the world’s energy situation and advise them on policy.
The closely watched most-likely scenario, which the IEA calls the "New Policies Scenario," assumes that countries stick to the commitments they have made in the past couple of years to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
(Related: “Warming Solution: Just Stop Cold?”
But even under IEA’s so-called “business-as-usual” scenario, without the projected efforts to cut fossil fuel pollution, oil production would be significantly lower in 20 years' time than the IEA had forecast even just a few years ago.
Oil production might rise marginally under the "business-as-usual" scenario, the report said, but supplies would be short enough to send oil prices soaring to double today’s level.
Fighting Decline
A major reason for the rising prices and flatlining production is that for "the currently producing fields of crude oil, the production will decline," Birol said.
Today's active oil fields produce about 70 million barrels per day, but by 2035, he said, "they will produce less than 20 million barrels per day of oil."
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sffsmessiah
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http://www.collapsemovie.com/
Regardless, its going to happen and we need alternatives! - 1 year ago
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Wetdog
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We have vehicles that we can drive with almost no petroleum.
We've had them available in this country for over 100 years.
They are on sale right now.
They can do anything that a petroleum vehicle can---and they come in all sizes and with any accessory you can get on a petroleum powered vehicle.
Get a flex fuel vehicle, and use E85. If you can't get E85 where you are at, then talk to service station owners and tell them you want it. Talk to your city and county governments and tell them you want it. Tell them you want all government vehicles to be flex fuel.
Or, get on older vehicle and have it converted to run on compressed natural gas. You will be able to drive much farther on the same amount of money using methane. And methane(natural gas) produces only 65% of the CO2 that petroleum does to produce the same amount of energy. It is much cleaner---it produces almost no pollution at all.
Ultimately----it is the consumer who has the power. We just need to use it.
When we do, the oil monopoly will fall like a house of cards in a hurricane.
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Wetdog
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Gravity_Man
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Wetdog:
Flex-Fuels have a certain appeal but, is it not playing on people's FEAR AND RESIDENT BRAINWASHING? The permeation of evolutionary belief has stolen people's faith in a single God and resulting also in a disbelief in one single energy being "the answer" to their live's complex of problems.
I have found a number of those standalone single solutions without having to cram them all under every car hood in America.
But other than upkeeping multiple engine systems ~and keeping up with multiple fuel tanks &/or fuel systems~ all needing major efforts and PEOPLE'S TIME in and out of automobile dealership garages for the 10 YEARS they own the car... it would appear your system versus mine is a tossup.
You only have a better PR campaign. However, as I wrote to you once before long ago, every time we accept a new system -such as what yours is- it causes a delay to any better technology (just like what is now holding back adoption of your system right now because of all the automobile industry's tooling & financial commitment to "yesterday's answers").
The result being that when the ignorant masses not knowing my engine systems exist => a car engine that runs without maintenance on the order of 100 years minimum without wearing out as yours most certainly will, the billions then spent on your inferior system becomes the argument against ever transitioning to my system.
You sir are on the other man's side, here presenting yourself as an angel of Light when in fact you are a demon representing continuing enslavement of the very same kind everyone now labors under, such as $60.00 per hour mechanic costs.
My system erases all that. Your system digs the people's grave deeper.
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Gravity_Man:
A major part of what "the ignorant masses" do not understand -since most do not have close to a million miles driving time on the nation's highways- is the FACT of road vibration. Driving takes a toll on car engines, so your multiplex system will get multiplex-level breakdowns on an ever-increasing sliding scale.
I wouldn't buy your engine if my life depended on it. It is an insult to my intelligence. It is an insult toward the value I assign to my TIME because it will waste it.
Desperate people will buy your car, and your spiel.
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Wetdog:
Enslavement, even Jan understands that better than you no matter how much military devotion you have, name dropper. Women raise children. Women are the ones who SUFFER from men's crummy decisions. Women understand enslavement.
Women also have great insight and inside they must laugh at men as they watch us have a never ending testosterone war like stupid snail beings crawling on the dirt. Women see through us quite easily, as we run about claiming to be their saviour when we are just like every other male who walked this earth before us and certainly not any smarter.
We claim to solve problems, claim to be the greatest Problem Solvers of all Time, indeed Masters of the Universe, when we are NOTHING. The condition this planet is in right now testifies to Men being Nothing. We are slime on a damp window pane and nothing more.
Your car claims are nothing but trouble, and more standing at fuel pumps in the winter cold and in the February winds. Yeah man, women see through you just like what you are => nothing. You are not bringing an improvement to their lives or any help for them raising their children.
Phooey.
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Gravity_Man:
So post a video of you driving from Virginia to California in your amazing car.
Or, show us a video of your amazing engine powering a super sonic F-18 Super Hornet.
Biofuels can do either with ease.
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Wetdog:
No, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching you "men" piss on the electric wire striving for distance. I'll trust your results for how it feels when the wave of contempt and hate reaches your balls.
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Wetdog:
My engine with a modification will power a spacecraft forever. Yours will run out of fuel, F-18 Hornet be damned for what it is => a product of nothing men who think they are something.
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Wetdog:
If that bio-fuel shit smells so good tell me where are the flying cars butthead? Don't tell me how many women and children you napalm. I want to know where the benefit is cause I don't see it. All I see is your mouth and hungry children the world over.
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Wetdog:
You and your kind make me puke mister.
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Wetdog:
If I didn't hate your Commie tripe guts so much I would feel sorry for you. You sure as hell ain't no American but if you were born here you're a Sell-Out.
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Gravity_Man
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Does that even matter if we've reached peak oil? The article acknowledges that while crude oil production will decline and stagnate, it wont really effect people because oil supply ("petroleum fuels") will increase for 25 more years (which is likely a gross underestimation as there is still much research and exploration to be done in crude substitutes). However then as if not upset apple cart, they just dismiss this seemingly good news by saying "The consequences for the world’s energy consumers of this increased reliance on natural gas liquids and other unconventional fuels are stark." Why? The article never provides any evidence or even elaborates on the point at all.
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Elevator
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http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/resurgence/2010/240-241/climate1.htm
Leaving oil in the ground to fight climate change. Viable?
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"A new initiative to fight climate change and conserve forests by leaving oil in the ground has taken off in Ecuador, which hopes that other countries will contribute to a fund and share the costs of forgoing oil revenues.Martin Khor
WHAT would a country's leaders do if oil reserves were discovered beneath the tropical rainforests of that nation's premier national park?
The government would naturally be in a dilemma. If the forests are destroyed to extract the oil, the country and the world would lose the national park and its biodiversity-rich forest.
Moreover, the extraction and use of the oil would release a lot of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, contributing to climate change.
But if the oil were to be left in the ground in order to protect the forests and avoid emissions, the country would lose a lot of export earnings and state revenues that could be used for development. Economists call this an opportunity cost.
Given the dominant priorities and values of the modern world, in which economics and business are put above the environment, most countries would chop the forests, destroy the park and extract the oil.
Recently, I heard about a real case of a developing country facing this very dilemma and putting up an alternative approach to resolving it.
Ecuador is a South American country with a small population of 13 million that has been blessed by nature.
It has four major ecological regions - the coast facing the Pacific Ocean, a set of islands in that ocean, the Andes mountains in which its capital city Quito resides, and the Amazonian forests.
In Quito, at the Ministry of Patrimony (which is in charge of the country's environment), Professor Carlos Larrea Maldonado explained to me Ecuador's unique initiative to leave the large oil reserves in the ground at the country's Yasuni National Park in return for international funds.
The funds, which are partly to make up for the loss of oil revenue, would be used by the country to conserve its forests, develop renewable energy, and promote social development.
Dr Maldonado is a professor of social and global studies at the Simon Bolivar University, and was asked by the government to develop the Yasuni-ITT initiative.
The country's President, Rafael Correa, announced at the United Nations that Ecuador had decided to maintain the crude oil - discovered in the ITT (Ishpingo-Tambococha-Tiputini) field located in the Yasuni National Park - indefinitely underground.
This was in order to put social and environmental values first, while other ways would be found to obtain economic benefits for the country.
In the initiative, the international community would contribute at least half the revenue that the state would have received by extracting the oil, while the government would assume up to half of the opportunity cost of keeping the oil in the ground.
The Yasuni Park is one of the most important and diverse biological reserves in the world. It covers about a million hectares, and the ITT field is about 20% of the total park area.
There are 846 million barrels of recoverable oil reserves found in the ITT field, which are estimated to yield revenues of $7.25 billion (at present value) to the state.
The government plans to leave the oil in the ground, and continue to conserve the park. This would also avoid an estimated 407 million tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions that would have been generated by burning the ITT oil.
The 407 million tonnes may be valued at $8.07 billion, according to the current prices of carbon dioxide traded in the European carbon market ($19.81 per tonne of carbon dioxide).
Under the Yasuni-ITT initiative, Ecuador proposes that the international community contributes at least $3.6 billion into a trust fund administered by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).
Thus, of the $7.25 billion of oil revenue foregone, the government would bear half the cost while an international fund contributed by foreign governments and private donations would bear the other half.
The fund's capital will be invested in renewable energy (hydroelectric, geothermal, wind and solar) projects in order to overcome Ecuador's dependence on fossil fuels that cause climate change.
The interest earned from the fund would be used to conserve forests in 44 protected areas, help small farmers reforest and manage a million hectares of forests, and promote energy efficiency and social development."
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JanforGore:
Forests consume CO2 vs Oil makes more. Ecuador is trying to save everybody's bacon => in return they hope everybody sends them some bacon back.
It borders on barter. Or environmental extortion. Help us or we will destroy the world. All they lack is a cat and Robert Wagner.
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Gravity_Man:
Or it could just be asking for climate justice from those countries that would otherwise go there and do to it what Chevron already did to it in the name of American corporate profit. Chevron hasn't even had to pay for any of the environmental and health damages they have brought to the Ecuadorian Amazon... do they not deserve to pay?
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JanforGore:
Everyone these days aren't getting justice, and asking for justice from an oppressor corporation that knows the WORLD desperately needs what they're selling just is not realistic. The only authority large enough to force them to do anything would be the United Nations, and that's a stretch for ever happening.
We're crude oil addicts and they sell the dope, to us dopes. Where in there do you read Justice? I don't see it and they'll never give it.
We are powerless before their great power; even Mr. Gore.
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Gravity_Man:
Well then, you don't ask, you take.
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JanforGore:
Well, taking is big words but not necessarily wrong, but there's a problem because they pay big taxes and the Gov is addicted to their money. So what you have there is a conflict of interest where the Gov is trying to ride the fence not tear it down like needs to happen.
I haven't read Al's last book. I know that writing a book is exhaustive work so at our age he's making a gargantuan effort.
Personally Jan I'm almost at to the point thinking our civilizations are about burnt out. Here we are becoming more & more computer-dependent and after getting the WHOLE WORLD addicted to having them we find out just how toxic they are and the plastic.
We're melting faster than the bad witch in Wizard of Oz.
We're melting faster than the polar ice caps.
It isn't going to be overly long before somebody is going to realize all that GOLD in the Vatican is needed to make new computers and then the hayride will really begin. The drug addicts are going to want their drugs and it isn't what the Pope is selling. It's what he's sitting on. Gold is used in cpu's and on the best PCI contacts and the best RAM and here we are launching a world wide Space Race with all the spaceships needing gold in their circuitries.
I wouldn't bet 2 cents on the Vatican lasting til 2012.
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The nation's power companies recently launched a campaign of fear (again). They've started to saying the need for power will increase a lot by 2035. When they do that it drives the value of crude oil up, countering the projection that oil prices will drop as alternative energy use increases.
The oil company and the power company may possibly share the same execs. Just like here in Roanoke, where the railroad execs migrated over onto the hospital board of directors. There isn't any laws against one man wearing the same hat for multiple corporations is there?
They seem to specialize in spooking the herd at night, spooking on whichever side of the field they want the herd to move towards. I would call that using a psychological cattle prod.
Just a little bump to the left, then a little bump to the right.
Rocky Horror Picture Show actually had relevance!
It's like when a sharpshooter at a gun show keeps shooting a target tossed in the air so that the target stays aloft. The power & oil companies keep pinging away underneath falling prices to keep them aloft also.
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Gravity_Man:
It isn't so bad. Just a bit like having a couple angry monkeys riding your back and clawing flesh off with sharpened nails as you run to work.
You can't really negotiate with money-crazed monkeys.
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Sorry but I fail to see the problem.
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Fuck oil............It's the time for sustainability!!
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There are variables at work. You have the weight of the planet pressing down on underground micro-organisms and also there's an increased solar radiation, some of it penetrates through the planet. So the incoming Energies are squeezing new crude oil.
Just not fast enough. So really you don't have to stop using crude oil just lower it to earth production replacement speed whatever that is.
Sometimes in the boxing ring one of the boxers lands a haymaker and the fight is over, but most the time it takes an accumulation of smaller blows to win out. So if you had some gravity power, some solar, some wind, none of them having to be "the haymaker", ya still win.
It just is NOT the problem our mind builds it up to be. Our mind bunches it up til it's the size of a 600 pound Sumo wrestler. In reality it's actually quite simple. What is lacking is coordination of effort instead of the usual good ol' American multi-level duplication of services.
Gravity power is the best for home power. No powerlines going down in the winter. No emf explosions or cosmic radiation spikes from the sun takes it down because the system would be enclosed in a shielded metal box. A simple incoming solar flare detection sensor up on the roof would shut down the gravity wheel a split second before the home's wiring could carry the spike into the box.
High technological answers are held up as the holy grail. Universities and the entire university-spawned scientific community is a specialized system that demands Hi-Tech solutions where a simple hammer would do.
America has gotten used to demanding exotic answers. So, they've given us cars with two engine systems needing to be fueled, kept up with, maintained and services all at the exact special time each separate system requires. It's like going to the hospital and expecting one baby and getting quadruplets.
It boggles the mind til we build the problem up. But once ya break it all down to the LCD (least common denominator) it just isn't a big problem. It's 310,000,000 tiny problems looking like a big problem.
The Obama is working on it. He doesn't deliver he doesn't get re-elected, and he knows that. He's going to deliver. So sit back and enjoy the football games.
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Gravity_Man:
Obama is putting on an act worthy of P.T.Barnum himself, appearing to be incompetent, under-educated, under energy savvy, and the IQ of a stockyard pig. Unbeknownst to most of us here, in the background he has a few haymakers taking shape.
It's simply a question of timing, and the way that goes everybody here already understands very well.
He will withhold the new technologies and release them when they are most needed => when the timing is right to insure he gets re-elected.
Now pass me another bowl of czar soup please.
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Gravity_Man:
All of which goes toward explaining why oil per barrel has jumped to $90 when nobody has any money. It's the $4.00 a gallon squeeze play being repeated to line their pockets with every penny in your piggy bank. You're being squeezed on to wring from your cold half-dead hands the monies they need to transition over to new technologies.
Which of course when they come through you'll be squeezed again to purchase it but, in a great flood of thankfulness to Obama he will be re-instated, and praised.
Probably world wide. He'll earn his title.
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Here is another example of the magic of the market place (another American Fairy Tale). Being from the bay area, I found out that we had mass transit in the early 1900's. It was possible to go from San Mateo to San Jose (Over 40 miles) on light rail. But the tire companies bought up the system and put it out of business. Public interest? No, they just wanted to sell more tires. Put people in our beloved pollution machines. Private interest before public interest. That's the "magic for morons" formula we keep backing. The Royal Corporation incarnate for the american serfs. Good luck to my republican red neck brothers and keep on voting against you own financial interests. Thought it doesn't really matter which side you vote these days. The republicans just seem a little more upfront Greedy and Sleazy. My two favorite dwarfs in this fairy tale.
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telcod:
This is a history lesson , not in the books , for a reason .......
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telcod:
From Bill McKibbens book: Deep Economy, between 1890 ansd 1920,
there was an extensive railway system of electric trams existing from
Boston, Mass. to Madison, Wisconsin. Except for one 40 mile stretch
somewhere in New York, citizens could board a tram and travel to
any destination in that intricate systems of interconnectivity by using
a paper transfer pass. Busses were not needed for transit. But Big Oil
couldn't make any money in a system built for human economy and
convenience where travel was super cheap. Guess whom they bought
to have all those tracks ripped up to change all that ? - 1 year ago
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yes 4 yrs ago production has been declining ever since its a fact look it up. Solar/wind can easily replace oil right now with current tech and the prices are not as high as they would have you think and they will only go lower the more people use it.
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Johnny_Los_Angeles:
There's a way to magnify solar by 6000%.
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Yes but as more people turn to alternative sources the price of oil will also drop. Remember the OPEC oil embargo of the 1970's? There were designs for cars that ran off alternative fuels and most cars at the time got fantastic gas mileage. However, once the price of oil dropped again car designers started making gas guzzlers that got 15 miles to the gallon and the designs for alternate fuels were forgotten...
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Business wise the bottom line is that car manufacturers entire future rest on the ability to reduce dependancy on oil , they know that and we know that . We cannot purchase vehicles we cant afford to operate.
we already have hydrogen fuel cell vehicles , whoever creates the technology to convert regular 4 stroke engined vehicles into machines that can run with little to no oil dependancy will be a multi trillionaire , mark my words.
But the transition has to be handled carefully because a sudden blow to the oil and gas industry is a earth shattering punch to the world economy.
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GENERALNATTY:
I have that engine now, but the wheel barrels overflowing with dolares seems to be mysteriously delayed.
4 stroke? Mine, every stroke is a power stroke. All cylinders fire at the same time, and the engine doesn't do double duty compressing the fuel so it is essentially free-wheeling.
1300% more horses than any combustion engine, from combining compressed air with steam. No combustion, no pollution, no nuthin but rubber laying down the street behind ya.
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GENERALNATTY:
I wrote to Chevron corporate headquarters a series of mails to their online website 2+ years ago offering them the transition energies that would eliminate the blow to their companies. I never got a response back but they were all over my website for the ever longest of time.
They gleaned what they could but striking any deal involving me being paid was of course out of the question, which is why I lack the monies to do any of my other ideas. I tried to help soften the blow. They're a greedy hateful bunch imho. They need to disappear.
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GENERALNATTY:
Michael Rupport says that that the average luxury car contains 100 gallons of oil. That's just production. That is not calculating the engine oil( 5 qts. every 3 months per vehicle on the road) or fuel consumption. Now granted electric or hydrogen will cut down on fuel consumption but we still use oil for the plastics and the rubber in every vehicle made(7 gallons of oil per tire). And we are not talking about 4-runners,motorcycles etc. We need to change the way we live.
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Let's see here we got solar, wind, geothermal, water turbines, hmmm, Hemp, algae, lightning yes we can use lightning, steam which comes back to water, ethanol from corn, soybeans, old cooking oil, can any one pitch in here? My head is hurting from solutions!
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Joe_Medina:
Difference engines. There are many of those, and you missed them all because of a HEADACHE. There's a fellow who made one difference engine for skyscrapers that was several stories high so it took advantage of the differences of height. But really they are too numerous to go into. Any time you see where something changes you can make a system.
I know of one that would power everything on earth, and make lots of new jobs, came across it just yesterday actually. But I'm holding it back because if I told about it they would patent it and lock it up with all the others. You would not get its benefit til they figured out how they would fleece the money off your sheepskin rug on a many-tiered multi-level new pyramid they would own.
I keep saying it => we don't need crude oil for energy and we can grow oil to make plastics and for lubrication, making many jobs yet again. If all oil drilling stopped say next year we would be just fine. My system could be quickly designed, deployed and implemented in a year. Power cars, trucks, spin generators, the whole enchilada.
Piece a cake. So now either your headache is worse or it's gone.
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Gravity_Man:
Its better, now we just need a plan and get moving now.
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Joe_Medina:
Yes solutions we've got, now we need will and for humans to not judge everything based on a monetary barometer. That slow boiling pot is getting hotter by the day.
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Joe_Medina:
oh we got solutions , but money talks right now and the old establishment have there billions sunk into oil and gas , and no practical solution for earth , our enviroment and the overall good of mankind is gonna solve where they are gonna shore up all the trillions in lost profits they are gonna have to deal with , if it were up to them they wouldnt stop until the last drop of oil is sold , the real issue in the energy business in a capitalist system is the bottomline. If there was a solution where the oil and gas industry could continue to profit similarily from cleaner , greener resources oil and gas would be 50 percent phased out by now.
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GENERALNATTY:
I know we have solutions but gov. are too retarded to do anything.
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Joe_Medina:
That's a tall order. What you need to do is step in with your right foot and deliver the best blow you have on the first punch. Hmm. I suggest the printing press and information. It worked once before. Perhaps a new website.
Tell people to slap a Timer on their water heater, that will save them 25-30% off their water heating bill immediately. Turn the water heater thermostat UP around 140-150 degrees then it only runs a few times a day hard and rests the rest of the day. Saves energy, and bucks.
A good water heater timer can be purchased online for around $60 and lasts forever. You could add a guitar sound pickup to it that would hear hot water gushing out through the water heater's exit pipe into the home, bypass the timer restriction and turn on the water heater too.
The website could pay for itself from timer sales....
Put a couple large metal bowls up in the refrigerator freezer filled with water, turning the fridge back into A TRUE ICEBOX. The cold off of the blocks of ice percolates down into the fridge and the compressor runs much less often. Saves big energy bucks there too.
I currently have my electric usage down to $1.65 a day. That would get some monies restored to the people's pockets next month fast.
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Joe_Medina:
Don't forget Soylent Green. Oh, that's if we keep reproducing and using fossil fuel. Less people = less pollution. Oakum’s razor. Extinction Level Event = the unbridled penis. Repeat after me, everybody, "The penis is not a brain."
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Yes, what we need is a triumph of the will.
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Joe_Medina:
We are the government. You callin us retarded. Oh, we are not the government? Then what are those fuckers doing in the Capital of my United States. Kinda circular, ain't it. If we keep doing what we do, we keep getting what we got. Decline and fall.
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Worked for Thomas Paine, but people could read back then and you could find a printing press that was not owned by Rupert Murdoch. Maybe hack the text world and hold all the text junkies hostage until they come out of their trances before the next Zombie Movie is a Reality TV show. Oh, wait, I think that has already happened. LOL
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telcod:
Kool-Aid comes in many forms. And at 186,000 mps. Staring at monitors has been shown to change the human brain structure. It's an effect of the Refresh Rate.
We're being refreshed. hahaha
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Do we sign bills and pass other documents? Oh we get to for them vote yeah right! Don't worry the gov will NEVER lie to you.
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In 1961 my "Junior Scholastic" magazine ran an article that said the world would be out of petroleum by 1995. Unfortunately, that was not true, and the planet now faces wrenching climactic changes that will wipe out our oil-dependent way of life and hit the poor even harder. Why is it so difficult for people to realize that the atmosphere is a closed system that, once full of hydrocarbons, won't work the same way anymore?
The attached image shows the tideline along the beach near where I live on the U.S. west coast. Notice the light-colored plastic debris. Many people are aware that there is a raft of used plastic materials the size of the state of Texas floating in the North Pacific Ocean. This "North Pacific Gyre" is thought to exist because prevailing ocean currents gather plastic garbage and bring it to this area, where it swirls, several feet thick.
Recently, Marc Ward, a surfing enthusiast, has found that huge amounts of ground up plastic particles have washed ashore onto the beaches of Oregon and Washington. These plastics of varying shapes and sizes mix into the sand, disintegrate, release toxic chemicals, and are then washed back into the sea where they absorb even more toxins. Birds and fish ingest these particles, thereby concentrating the toxic chemicals in their tissues.
All of these plastics are the result of better methods of exploration for petroleum, just as needle tracks are the result of addicts finding new suppliers of heroin. In both cases, the users will perish because of their addiction.
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Progresshiv:
Thank you for this post. I actually cried walking down by the bay near my home and seeing the amounts of plastic bottles and garbage that had washed in with the tide. It all comes down to six main words for me to beginning the healing process: respect for the web of life. It is an overriding principle of life that we as a species have lost.
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JanforGore:
You're welcome. Your six words are true. I am working on a short documentary video with the man I mentioned above, Marc Ward, in which he and a group of volunteers sifted through 135 square meters of sand at Crescent Beach on the Oregon coast. The short video will show the plastic debris they found; let me say, it makes me want to cry, too.
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Progresshiv:
If the world had run out of crude oil in 1995 that's very interesting indeed, because in 1997 Dr. Hertzberg's compressed nitrogen powered car engine prototype successfully ran. So we would have been tunning off of reserves and used cooking oil til his car was finished the improvements it needed (which I came along and added in 2003 & 2008).
It is an oil-addicted world. People fear the new. People are sick & poisoned by all the plastics that surround them. BPA enters through our skin, and especially people's palms in contact with the plastic. Poisoned people lose their backbone, partly because the thyroid is crippled up by the plastics in the bloodstream.
No thyroid, no gumption or bravery. Just fear. Thyroid fuels every gland, organ and system in the body. We have become crippled as fish out of water.
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Gravity_Man:
Well-said, G-Man.
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Might want to figure out your math before making your documentary. 135 sq meters isn't a volume measuremnt, it is an area measurement. How deep did they go? That gives a much better sense of scale. 135 sq meters is a meaningless measurement unless you provide the depth and therefore the volume.
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We lightly swept the surface to a maximum depth of 1 inch. Thanks for asking!
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JanforGore:
Don't cry for me, Argentina. Time to girl up and wipe those tears away. Time to get locked and cocked and ready to rock. The fix has been in for a long time. Problems are obvious, solutions abound, but, the powers ain't going to let you implement them. End game needs to be victory. Still, I think we can control/reduce the population one condom at a time. But, if condoms are outlawed, only outlaws will have condoms.
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telcod:
Harry in Armageddon (Bruce Willis) had
just two words for that: DUCT TAPE CONDOMS.
Works, EVERY TIME. It's an old oil driller's secret. - 1 year ago
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Keep it coming and push this post to the top for a week . ;-)
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Peak Water may already be here in the Middle East. Australia also knows that feeling well after a ten year drought and Asia isn't far behind with Africa also experiencing the same. Adding the stresses of climate change to an already arid area is a recipe for disaster and war. The King of Jordan claimed water was the only thing he would go to war over. Although I always believed people would not go that far as water is a source we all need for life and that in the end true humanity would prevail and consensus reached. I'm not so sure anymore in this world we live in. Look at the Israeli-Palestinian wars as one example, all with water as the subtheme. Rivers are losing mass all over the world, our own rivers such as the Colorado do not empty out in the Gulf anymore, and climate change and pollution have brought us to the point where even where there is water it won't be potable for humans. The cholera epidemic in Haiti that has never seen cholera before is but one frightening recent example. We still in a huge way as a whole take water for granted and have gotten ourselves into quite a situation because of it.
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JanforGore:
http://www.irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=13&ReportId=61029 People are going to war right now for water. It has been reported that the only thing holding back a comprehensive peace pact between israel and syria is over water rights and access to the sea of galilea. Goverments and warlords use water tensions to arm factions and utilize them to attain political and military objectives.
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Yes, I know. Also as examples, tensions between Iraq and Turkey over the Tigris/Euphrates rivers and proliferation of dams taking water from poorer agricultural areas there and in South America where many indigenous people suffer; conflicts in Kenya and other areas of Africa due to nomads needing to move because of depletion of fish and water sources due to climate change and pollution and also privitization; and now even in Sudan with the independence referendum coming for a vote in January that will bring a civil war in my estimation with oil and water as the central focus. This is a global crisis that does not get the attention it deserves and needs.
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No, because you are going to lead the charge of the toilet bowl brigade, future hero that you are to be.
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Reproduced ourselves into that one a while back.
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"Let's see. This looks like a pretty good place to live and have 12 children. No water, shitty soil and if I'm lucky, I'm Hindu and my dead uncle the cow is gobbling up all the vegetation. But I can still go down to the holy water of the Ganges and pray and watch the turds float by. But Monsanto will fix everything. Look at the dandy job Union Carbide did in Bhopal." Ain't we smart. No, and unfortunately, it don't look like you can fix stupid. Why isn't population control PC? Seems like it would some control would start to reduce our problems and reduce the number of hallucinations on these posts.
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http://www.slideshare.net/slatefrance/agricultural-investment-and-international-... Nice article in Nat Geo a few months ago about contrarian investors that are buying up the rights to thousands of acres and cutting deals with warlords in Africa. They are betting on food shortages due to drought due to climate changes.
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Why did you post a link for a teeth whitener? Getting creative with the SPAM?
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Two more people with fully functional water-powered cars, and this time, they are both Americans:
A Middle Tennessee State University professor drove 500 miles on Monday in a Toyota Tercel converted to be powered by water and the sun.
Dr. Cliff Ricketts’ hydrogen-powered drove from Bristol to West Memphis, Ark., on Monday, the Knoxville News Sentinel reports. Hydrogen-power is not new. What made Ricketts’ trip unique is that the hydrogen was gathered using electrolysis — a process that separates the hydrogen and oxygen in water.
Ricketts said he got about 45 miles per gallon.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/25608611/detail.html
Steve Schappert of Connecticut converted a 72 Mustang to run on water in addition to gasoline- so it uses much less gasoline.
http://brookfield.patch.com/articles/brookfielder-looks-to-the-future-with-water...
These people need funding and support to perfect these technologies and start mass producing these cars!
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UtopianSky:
Having a world of car drivers using cars that their engine splits water during a world water shortage yeah, that's the one.That's the one to use, just you watch => Editor's Pick. And the Schappert engine a few million of his on the highway spewing out extra MOISTURE by the tankload that's the worst GREENHOUSE GAS THERE IS, that's Editor's Pick #2.
Together those two men could make change we could believe in.
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not gonna happen...the oil men don't want alternative fuels and won't stop until the earth is depleted of oil and flaked like a bad case of dandruff, and the coal men don't want alternative energy and won't stop until the mountains have been reduced to what leaves the landscape looking like a bad case of teenage acne.
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Water cars in a world of drought are simply not viable.
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How much energy at what cost to produce the results? Is it really efficient in an energy in energy out basis? Remember the huge push for ethanol which resulted in a spike in world oil use and a global food shortage?
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Mine is Jan. Mine is a closed system. Once a half liter or so of water primes the engine the water never leaves. The engine never overheats. It cools itself by virtue of design, something Detroit knows little about.
Scientists say my engine can't be built. How convenient. They deny it because they wanted to be the one to invent it.
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We are sitting on top of sub ocean floor pressures that could drive generators for centuries. The Gulf of Mexico disaster showed us a new energy source => the PRESSURE. It's like we're living on top a steam locomotive boiler.
We're living atop a nuclear furnace the earth's core, yet here we are wringing our hands for not having enough nuclear power plants? hahaha We must be the absolute dumbest schmucks in the Universe.
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Every nation on earth has access to ocean front property and an international ownership some many miles from shore. Great Britain for instance is surrounded by water and they are wealthy beyond all avarice in sub ocean floor nuclear power plant energy. India's many millions of civilian population has access to ocean floor energy already there.
The [energy] grapes are ripe and the [energy] vine sagging to the ground from their lusciousness of plenty. Perhaps somebody out there who is smarter than me could please explain to me where I have made a mistake. I think we have all the nuclear power we could ever want.
We're walking over top of it.
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Gravity_Man:
Why is it we always see the obvious when it is too late to do anything about it?
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Because for all of our lives we have been warned against following false prophets so now we don't discriminate => every prophet is a false prophet, even the real ones. And when the process is complete what you find is you empowered the false prophets who are the enemy of us all.
A real prophet doesn't have much money, lacks position to get anything done, so people avoid him like he has the plague...and the answers you know someone "just has to have" ~that he in fact has had for years & years~ haven't been built.
So your answer is that we are under a curse => the lack of faith.
That's also why none of my systems has moved one inch off the tarmac.
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It isn't too late Jan, not from the Science side. The winners in the technology arena are being hand picked. Whichever one works and they choose to run with is the ones that keeps their pools heated for the morning swim and skinny dip with a model or actress.
You haven't forgotten that the Japanese have a system going online that captures solar in space and beams it down, have you? It's exotic, so they love it. It's expensive, so they can milk it for decades of Profit long after the system is paid for.
Like what the Cable TV company does => build the system and charge customers for the wiring til the day it corrodes down into the ground.
Go write your book Jan. The fix is in [the pipeline].
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We have more Oil in Utah, Wyoming and the Dakota's than all of the Middle East Combined. That's a fact.
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Okay... and.. what is your point?
You do realize that oil is a non-renewable resource right? Meaning, even if we found the a deposit of oil that double the total predicted, it would not matter, it will run out. Plus, whether or not you accept the facts on man made climate change, you cannot deny the fact that oil production and consumption causes enormous amounts of pollution---whether we're talking about the tons of air pollution, the millions of gallons spilled in the ocean and rivers, or the plastic that is piling up in land fills.
So, back to your point about their being more oil in the U.S. than in the Middle East.. so what? Should we go right ahead and stick to this unsustainable structure until we use up every last drop and pollute every river, ocean and piece of land? Can you seriously look into a child's eyes and say, "I really don't care what using oil now means for you later, this just makes things so much easier for me right now."???
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Would the U.S. have gotten into the last two "wars" if we weren't ? In who's best interest is it that it be known exactly when peak oil hits ? This information will be hidden as long as humanly possible . Best to assume it has passed already .
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Yup and its time to fight...........cause we should not be relying on the energy source of the 19th century!
On another note check out the Great Debate! http://current.com/news/92794249_are-you-ready-for-the-great-debate-democrat-vs-...
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I truly believe it's impossible for Democrats and Republicans in this country to "debate" at this point. It's time for people of good conscience regardless of their socalled party to fight the ones without it that have brought this planet to the abyss. Delineating this country along party lines instead of lines of principle has been what has gotten us into this in the first place.
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Iran is allegedly on the largest untapped reserves on the planet. Brazil just scored less that two years ago. We already know about Alaska. One of the reasons we invaded Iraq was for oil.
Peak oil what?
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Peak oil doesn't mean that there's suddenly no oil left.
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Try a dose of your own medicine there Jan.
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I'M NOT A SPAMMER. Try actually contributing something of substance yourself sometime.
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We haven't reached it yet, although it's obvious that we're vastly unprepared for it... in an article I read in my economics class said it would take us at least 20 years to be able to ready and change our massive dependence on oil to something else. And well that something else hasn't really come yet...
Also most researchers and economists from the article agreed that it would peak somewhere around 2020- 2035, while only one of them thought it would come later like around 2050.
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Brazil has already replaced 50% of their oil consumption for transport with biofuels and natural gas.
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The concern is that more land is being cleared for agricultural purposes (thus exacerbating climate change in the first place) but in reality that land is going to grow biofuel for the large conglomerates like Cargill that control the land through land grabs. It's the new colonialism. So you actually have cleared land using fossil fuel that exacerbates climate change (and for many water scarcity) by deforestation, to grow crops that are going to cars... is that really a winning ratio? In a world where food scarcity due to lack of access and climate change will severely limit access to food even more, there has to come a point when even biofuel (ethanol especially) is reconsidered. I really don't have a problem with switchgrasses being used as they are viable, and actualy hemp is the perfect source in my view. However, if we grow them using fossil fuels I am truly curious to know just how that is a win win situation for us.
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---------" It's the new colonialism."-------
Colonialism---and variations thereof, empire building, subjugation, etc. etc.-----is as old as mankind. It is the use of force and coercion to gain power and wealth. It has nothing to do with climate change. It amounts to one group taking the land from the indigenous people who occupy it and displacing them and taking ownership. It is no different than European whites and Native Americans. Nothing has changed.
Deforestation to plant crops is exactly the same thing that has been happening since the white man first arrived on the shores of America. Since Rome conquered the entire known world. Since the Egyptian empire first rose up on the banks of the Nile.
In 1860, between 60 and 100 million buffalo roamed the Great Plains-----and by 1890, they were gone. Killed off because they were the single greatest resource of the indigenous tribes that depended on them for food, shelter and clothing. In 1908, in an effort to recreate what had been lost---it was necessary to import buffalo from the far northern reaches of Alberta and North West Territory to bring a small herd to Yellowstone to repopulate.
The fault is not in technology---the fault is in the failure to protect that which needs to be protected.
The fault is in not respecting the right to life and dignity of every person.
The fault is making the law and extension of power, privilege and wealth----instead of a fortress of protection for all people. This is the very distilled essence of the ideals of the rule of law over tyranny and force, greed and corruption, strong over weak, rich over poor that this country was founded on.
JAN, what you are looking for is Justice---the kind of justice that comes from the rule of law over brute force and coercion. The kind of justice that says that every person is equal before the law, and the law is here to serve and protect everyone equally.
When I went into the military 41 years ago---I swore to uphold the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I did not place a time limit on how long I would defend the constitution, the rule of law, and the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness---for all people. I still defend the constitution.
Justice does not come from technology---Justice comes from commitment to ideas. The idea to make the world a better place for every person. The idea of the rule of law, and the golden rule.
I believe that if we do our best to make the world according to the ideas given to us by people like Jesus, Jefferson, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Muir, Thoreau.
If we do that---technology does not matter.
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Well those are my ideas as well and I thank you for this tremendous response.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Gore-praises-anti-smelter-stance-106808678.h...
Mr. Gore also referred to peak oil in his recent trip to Trinidad for a talk on sustainability. After his holding over thirty sustainable solution summits with leaders of various environmental and science fields (which led to the solutions outlined in his recent book Our Choice) I do believe he and others are quite aware of the true crisis we are now seeing taking place regarding our energy sources. Detractors however demean his efforts, choosing to continue to feed people false propaganda that he is only doing this to make money to divert from this issue. Quite funny when you consider his entire portfolio is nowhere near the billions in profits these companies rake in YEARLY. It never occurs to them that he and others may be talking about this as a warning to the people of the world in relaying information to them they are NOT getting from media or government. And we better listen because they will allow the Arctic to melt to get it and suck the tarsands dry at the expense of the Boreal Forest like true addicts in sacrificing the whole for their false choices. The only positive that may come from this is that we will finally see oil priced as it should be hopefully giving alternate renewable energies a chance to gain parity in the marketplace.
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JanforGore:
on this trip to trinidad..did al gore walked or rode on a "fossil fuel burning" vehicle??
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ayipis:
I just went to your profile page and looked through your posts.
It looks to me like you are a completely sour, bitter, cynical person.
Not one single positive comment anywhere, about anything.
Nothing but cynical attacks on anyone with any positive ideas or efforts.
I would guess that anyone who knows you would run the opposite direction if they possibly could when they see you coming.
What you give to life is what you get back in life.
I wouldn't want to have to live your life.
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