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Japan:Radiation levels soar after nuke plant fire

source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake

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Dangerous levels of radiation leaking from a crippled nuclear plant forced Japan to order 140,000 people to seal themselves indoors Tuesday after an explosion and a fire dramatically escalated the crisis spawned by a deadly tsunami.

In a nationally televised statement, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said radiation has spread from the four stricken reactors of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant along Japan's northeastern coast. The region was shattered by Friday's 9.0-magnitude earthquake and the ensuing tsunami that is believed to have killed more than 10,000 people, plunged millions into misery and pummeled the world's third-largest economy.

Japanese officials told the International Atomic Energy Agency that the reactor fire was in a storage pond and that "radioactivity is being released directly into the atmosphere." Long after the fire was extinguished, a Japanese official said the pool, where used nuclear fuel is kept cool, might be boiling.

"We cannot deny the possibility of water boiling" in the pool, said Hidehiko Nishiyama, an official with the economy ministry, which oversees nuclear safety.

That reactor, Unit 4, had been shut down before the quake for maintenance.

If the water boils, it could evaporate, exposing the rods. The fuel rods are encased in safety containers meant to prevent them from resuming nuclear reactions, nuclear officials said, downplaying the risk of that happening.

But they acknowledged that there could have been damage to the containers. They also confirmed that the walls of the storage pool building were damaged.

Though Kan and other officials urged calm, Tuesday's developments fueled a growing panic in Japan and around the world amid widespread uncertainty over what would happen next. In the worst case scenario, one or more of the reactor cores would completely melt down, a disaster that could spew large amounts of radioactivity into the atmosphere.

"I worry a lot about fallout," said Yuta Tadano, a 20-year-old pump technician at the Fukushima plant, who said he was in the complex when quake hit.

"If we could see it we could escape, but we can't," he said, cradling his 4-month-old baby, Shoma, at an evacuation center.

The radiation fears added to the catastrophe that has been unfolding in Japan, where at least 10,000 people are believed to have been killed and millions of people have spent four nights with little food, water or heating in near-freezing temperatures as they dealt with the loss of homes and loved ones. Up to 450,000 people are in temporary shelters.

Asia's richest country hasn't seen such hardship since World War II. The stock market plunged for a second day and a spate of panic buying saw stores running out of necessities, raising government fears that hoarding may hurt the delivery of emergency food aid to those who really need it.

In a rare bit of good news, rescuers found a 70-year-old woman alive in her swept-away home four days after the tsunami flattened much of Japan's northeastern coast.

The Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex, along that battered coastline, has been the focus of the worries. Workers there have been desperately trying to use seawater to cool the fuel rods in the complex's three reactors, all of which lost their cooling ability after Friday's quake and tsunami.

On Tuesday, the complex was hit by its third explosion since Friday, and then a fire in a separate reactor.

Afterward, officials just south of the area reported up to 100 times the normal levels of radiation, Kyodo News agency reported. While those figures are worrying if there is prolonged exposure, they are far from fatal.

Tokyo reported slightly elevated radiation levels, but officials said the increase was too small to threaten the 39 million people in and around the capital, about 170 miles (270 kilometers) away. Closer to the stricken nuclear complex, the streets in the coastal city of Soma were empty as the few residents who remained there heeded the government's warning to stay indoors.

Kan and other officials warned there is danger of more leaks and told people living within 19 miles (30 kilometers) of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex to stay indoors to avoid exposure that could make people sick.

"Please do not go outside. Please stay indoors. Please close windows and make your homes airtight," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told residents in the danger zone.

"These are figures that potentially affect health. There is no mistake about that," he said.

Weather forecasts for Fukushima were for snow and wind from the northeast Tuesday evening, blowing southwest toward Tokyo, then shifting and blowing east out to sea. That's important because it shows which direction a possible nuclear cloud might blow.

Some 70,000 people had already been evacuated from a 12-mile (20-kilometer) radius from the Dai-ichi complex. About 140,000 remain in the new warning zone.

Officials said 70 workers were at the complex, struggling with its myriad problems. The workers, all of them wearing protective gear, are being rotated in and out of the danger zone quickly to reduce their radiation exposure.

Another 800 staff were evacuated. The fires and explosions at the reactors have injured 15 workers and military personnel and exposed up to 190 people to elevated radiation.

Temperatures in at least two of the complex's reactors, units 5 and 6, were also slightly elevated, Edano said.

"The power for cooling is not working well and the temperature is gradually rising, so it is necessary to control it," he said.

Fourteen pumps have been brought in to get seawater into the other reactors. They are not yet pumping water into Unit 4 but are trying to figure out how to do that.

In Tokyo, slightly higher-than-normal radiation levels were detected Tuesday but officials insisted there are no health dangers.

"The amount is extremely small, and it does not raise health concerns. It will not affect us," Takayuki Fujiki, a Tokyo government official said.

Kyodo reported that radiation levels nine times higher than normal were briefly detected in Kanagawa prefecture near Tokyo and that the Tokyo metropolitan government said it had detected a small amount of radioactive materials in the air.

Edano said the radiation readings had fallen significantly by the evening.

Japanese government officials are being rightly cautious, said Donald Olander, professor emeritus of nuclear engineering at University of California at Berkeley. He believed even the heavily elevated levels of radiation around Dai-ichi are "not a health hazard." But without knowing specific dose levels, he said it was hard to make judgments.

"Right now it's worse than Three Mile Island," Olander said. But it's nowhere near the levels released during Chernobyl.
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165 comments // Japan:Radiation levels soar after nuke plant fire

  • Tartan10
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • Tartan10:

      I had just looked at the video of Rush Limbaugh mocking the quake and tsunami victims and refrained from posting anything----because I didn't want my mailbox flooded with comments about that fat piece of human garbage.

      Then I saw this.

      I had to think to myself, here is a man who has a vast amount of wealth, influence, and every advantage it is possible to have. And he uses it all to spread hate and evil, in a demagogic pursuit of power and influence and lust for wealth.

      A nameless dog puts Rush Limbaugh to shame. Rush and his legions of fans will never measure up to the moral courage and heroic life of a simple nameless dog that disappeared into a shelter if they lived a thousand lifetimes.

      Thank you for posting this.

    • 2 years ago
  • StandaboveUnderstand
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      StandaboveUnderstand  

    • http://www.youtube.com/v/qoyKe-HxmFk&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3

      INTO ETERNITY
      Every day, the world over, large amounts of high-level radioactive waste cre- ated by nuclear power plants is placed in interim storage, which is vulnerable to natural disasters, man-made disasters, and to societal changes. In Finland the world’s first permanent repository is being hewn out of solid rock – a huge system of underground tunnels - that must last 100,000 years as this is how long the waste remains hazardous.

      Full movie at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RurTvL7NWGc

    • 2 years ago
  • SamuraiDave
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      SamuraiDave  

    • personally I've grown tired of all the insta-nuclear power experts and conspiracy theorists with all their doom-n-gloom prophecies that want to make everybody run around screaming their heads off "the world is coming to an end!"

      The media as usual has done a piss-poor job keeping a level head opting for more for sensationalism than sensibleness. You'd have thought half of Japan was destroyed in the earthquake and tsunamis while the other half was all glowing!

      However that being said, I hope nuclear power is given the heave ho. 5 days later and we are still worrying about it

    • 2 years ago
  • Tartan10
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  • JanforGore
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  

    • this is only the portion of info which they are releasing. that which they have not released is what we really need to be concerned about. btw, did you catch the news that one of the wikileaked US cables, reveals the US alleging that Japan has no idea of what they're doing in the nuclear energy field, but are a bunch of; (damn, what was the pejorative term used?), school boys!

    • 2 years ago
  • ArchDruid
  • dudefromtherock
  • dudefromtherock
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      dudefromtherock  
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    • The CDC is sending the eminent Dr. Bruce Banner to Tokyo to check on gamma radiation levels. Hopefully nothing will happen to the distinguished doctor.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dagum
  • thetrimsmith
    • +1
      thetrimsmith  

    • I have a theory: Properly angled solar flares resonate the magnetic bands around the Earth, transferring energetic ripples to the inner/outer core that in turn cause earth quakes. Hotter atmosphere, thinner crust, ripplin' core = asbestos row boats?

    • 2 years ago
  • dudefromtherock
  • thetrimsmith
  • dudefromtherock
  • Gravity_Man
  • thetrimsmith
  • Jayme_Beres
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      Jayme_Beres  

    • I would like to know if there are any biological studies underway on the effect of the radioactive fallout over the pacific, sushi anyone? How much are the fish absorbing and at what levels. For those of us who eat seafood or for those of us who depend on the sea to make a living I think these are important questions to ask, and this is an extremely relevant time to ask them.

    • 2 years ago
  • dudefromtherock
  • dudefromtherock
  • Prijedor
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  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  

    • I remember reading this old DK science encyclopedia, and it referred to alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. Alpha particles could be stopped by a piece of paper; beta could be stopped by thick clothing (if I recall), and I remember gamma: a brick. Chem suits will do nothing against what is largely gamma radiation being emitted. Radiation suits have lead in them; and even that only goes so far.

    • 2 years ago
  • dudefromtherock
  • JanforGore
  • Gravity_Man
  • JanforGore
  • Nancy_J_Powell
  • riverratt50
  • telcod
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      telcod  
    • riverratt50:

      Good site. Just sent some Potassium Iodide to my kids in California. Up here in Bellingham, Wa. the stores are out (we had some on hand). Expect the same outages in California. Ordered up more and probably will look on internet. If it comes down to it, the military will end up with the existing supplies and we can all duct tape up our homes. Peace be upon you.

    • 2 years ago
  • riverratt50
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      riverratt50  

    • Update, 15-Mar-2011, 1600 UTC
      Fire in a fuel pool at Unit No. 4 (storage pool for spent fuel rods). Pool may be boiling. Considering helicopter water dumps. Officials told the International Atomic Energy Agency that “radioactivity is being released directly into the atmosphere.” (from the fuel storage pond)

      Tokyo Electric Power Company has evacuated nearly every worker from the entire Fukushima site, according to NIRS, and has only left a few workers behind. Given this apparent fact, it is a sign that they may have given up and cannot stop a full meltdown.

      Some radiation has been detected in Tokyo, but apparently very low.

    • 2 years ago
  • telcod
  • crunchynuts
  • covelogibbs
  • crystalman
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  • fun_size
  • covelogibbs
  • crunchynuts
  • covelogibbs
  • crystalman
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    • covelogibbs:

      she's a catastrophist, an alarmist,....a doom monger. Disasters like this come as welcome confirmation of her dire warnings to humanity and so you get the inevitable 'I told you sos' from ecofascists like her. And now we'll get the oh so predictable...and of course irrational... demonisation of nuclear energy.

    • 2 years ago
  • covelogibbs
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      covelogibbs  
    • crystalman:

      You're clearly misinformed, as you totally missed the mark on Jan. What we need is a Jan cloning machine. :)

      P.S. We did tell you so, you just weren't listening.

      Being for nuclear energy is what is irrational.

      Have you checked out my POD "NO NUKES" yet, you might not like that too.

    • 2 years ago
  • telcod
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      telcod  
    • crunchynuts:

      I could care less about Japan, except I got some in-law relatives over there. On the other hand, I am concerned about US BS and Japanese BS. But you go right ahead and play cheer leader for the corporate and political scum.

    • 2 years ago
  • telcod
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  • im1mjrpain
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  • covelogibbs
  • JustZ
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      JustZ  
    • covelogibbs:

      Man can not handle nuclear power on any level. It's totally insane.

      Sun, Wind and Water energy are green, clean, and infinite.
      Which is exactly why the Oil industry isn't interested.

      Skeptics should watch "Who Killed The Electric Car" for an education.

    • 2 years ago
  • ArchDruid
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  • Cruzankenny
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      Cruzankenny  

    • I remember years past when Japan would not let a ship carrying weapons capable of being nuclear as well as ships propelled by nuclear power into any of their ports.
      They surely and quietly entered the nuclear power arena under the radar.
      I wish everyone the safest possible outcome as this disaster piled on disaster unfolds. I also hope this inspires long term planning and worst case scenario decision trees when future sites are in their infancy.
      It's easy to 'Monday morning quarterback', but deciding to build so many reactors on such fertile seismic land is unconscionable. I'm sure the US would never consider building one site on the San Andreas fault, much less more than one!

    • 2 years ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • Cruzankenny:

      Hey Kenny, it's interesting you mentioned the ban on ships with nukes that Japan (and Singapore) had in force. I had been thinking about the irony of that policy in the face of some poor decision-making on nuclear energy impacting Japan now.

      My husband was on a destroyer-tender during the Vietnam War. They carried nuclear warheads, and entered both Japan and Singapore ports without a challenge. They provided medical, dental and surgical services, so probably had some other nuclear supplies onboard as well.

      It was the oldest ship of its type with wooden decks. Maybe Japan and Singapore thought the ship was so old, they probably just had a few muskets and a blunderbuss or two on board for protection.

    • 2 years ago
  • Cruzankenny
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      Cruzankenny  
    • PoliticalAmazon:

      If they supplied Destroyers during or after Vietnam, it's almost a guarantee they had nuclear warheads for the anti-submarine rockets and torpedoes most, if not all, destroyers carried. The destroyers job was escorting Carriers, even Cruisers, and basic anti-submarine warfare. Anti-submarine warfare was always Nuclear capable. That meant you never knew whether or not they were on board.

    • 2 years ago
  • covelogibbs
  • Cruzankenny
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      Cruzankenny  
    • covelogibbs:

      I know. We couldn't go there as a destroyer escort during Vietnam because we had the 'potential' of carrying nuclear warheads for our ASROC's, Anti Submarine Rockets, and we wouldn't disclose whether we were carrying any at the time.
      We were quite upset because we were looking forward to some R&R in New Zealand. My ship was ported in Pearl Harbor and many times New Zealand ships would tie up outboard of us.
      We had some fierce inter-ship Rugby games and they regaled us with stories of the beauty of their country. To a man, the Kiwi's were the most pleasant group I've ever had the privilege of being stomped on in the scrum.

    • 2 years ago
  • ecoalex
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      ecoalex  

    • People died from 3 Mile Island, despite the lies from the "experts" and the head of the NRC.They lie.From a study:

      Using better analytic and statistical techniques, he found that among the 20,000 people who lived near the plant and close to the plume's path, lung cancer and leukemia rates were two or more times higher than what they were near the plant but upwind from the plume. Among those in the most direct path of the plumes, lung cancer incidence went up by 300 to 400 percent, and leukemia rates were up by 600 to 700 percent.

    • 2 years ago
  • telcod
  • JanforGore
    • +5
      JanforGore  

    • http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110315/wl_asia_afp/japanquakelivereport_42
      Updated report.

      - Explosions and a fire at the quake-hit Fukushima Daiichi No.1 nuclear plant on the north-east coast unleashed dangerous levels of radiation, sparking a collapse on Japan's stock market and panic-buying in supermarkets.

      - Scared Tokyo residents filled outbound trains and rushed to shops to stock up on face masks and emergency supplies amid heightening fears of radiation headed their way.

      - Radiation levels around the plant had "risen considerably", Prime Minister Naoto Kan said, and his chief spokesman announced it had reached the point where it endangered human health.

      - In Tokyo, 250 kilometres (155 miles) to the southwest of the plant, authorities said that higher-than-normal radiation levels had been detected, but not at harmful levels.

      - The fire broke out in the plant's number-four reactor, meaning that four of the facility's six reactors were in trouble -- and temperatures were reportedly rising in the other two.

      - Radiation levels later dropped at both the plant, in Tokyo and the nearby city of Chiba, chief government spokesman Yukio Edano said.

      - The operator of the nuclear plant said it may use helicopters to pour water into a containment pool for spent fuel rods, a spokesman said.

      - The UN weather agency said that winds were currently blowing radioactive material towards the ocean, and that there were "no implications" for Japan or countries nearby.

      - France's Nuclear Safety Authority said the disaster now rated a six on the seven-point international scale for nuclear accidents, though Japan's nuclear safety agency has kept its rating at level four.

      - A strong 6.0-magnitude quake struck late Tuesday southwest of Tokyo, leaving at least two people injured and sparking power failures across much of the city of Shizuoka, local media reported.

      - China has said it was evacuating its nationals from quake-hit parts of Japan and two airlines cut flights to the stricken country, while foreigners scrambled to leave from Tokyo's airports.

      _________
      I heard a report that there has been a run on potassium iodine tablets in Northern California and companies are selling out. $$$$$$$$$$$$.

      Also be aware that there may well be scam websites being set up asking for donations to Japan. One was mentioned in this article.

      And of interest was the bulletin regarding France rating this disaster a six on the seven point scale while Japan is rating it a four. Interesting since France gets about 80% of its power from nuclear and experienced a close call themselves during the heatwave of 2003 regarding overheating and failure of reactors. I wonder if they are reconsidering their energy source now.

      All of the lies told to us all of these years by interests seeking to keep the status quo in regards to the potential of solar primarily as well as other alternative forms of energy are unravelling. Unfortunate that it has to be through a tragedy like this.

    • 2 years ago
  • crunchynuts
  • Incredulous
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • JanforGore:

      I see in today's news that China is surging ahead with the sale of bonds to continue its aggressive build-up of its own nuclear power plants and that Obama continues to support continued construction of such plants in the U.S. as a means of reducing our dependency on fossil fuels. I simply do not believe the nuclear industry's renewed claims that they have perfected the safety of such plants, nor do I believe that we are anywhere close to solving the dilemma of stored waste.

      I agree wholeheartedly that we must move aggressively and intelligently to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels...I simply don't think that nuclear power has a proper role. Humanity has suffered greatly already from nuclear disasters and near-disasters involving nuclear energy. Cliched though the phrase might be, each plant is essentially a ticking time bomb, waiting natural disaster or intentional sabotage to spread death and disease. We have a number of promising tools and resources to address fossil fuels. Nuclear power simply should not be considered one of them.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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    • cztheday:

      P.S. I also see in my local paper today that our Republican-controlled state house of representatives has been casting about for new sources of state tax revenue to keep the state's budget balanced. Of all the possibilities out there, they picked...increasing taxes on the state's wind farms. Forehead slap.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • mybologna
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      mybologna  

    • Maybe this disaster will wake up people from the dangers of nuclear energy. So much for clean air through fussion. Nuclear energy pollutes through the extraction of fuel. It pollutes the water table with very nasty stuff. After the fuel is spent and recycled, it has to be stored (also very nasty harmful stuff). If that wasn't enough, you have tremendous risks of malfunction, natural disasters and terrorism. We have better alternatives with solar and wind energy. Idon't like coal, but even that is safer than nuclear.

    • 2 years ago
  • Haley35
  • ArchDruid
  • Perplexed_Rapture
  • ecoalex
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      ecoalex  

    • Much discussion is about exposure relating it to chest xrays,dental x-rays.There are 2 kinds of radiation;gamma,which is a beam such as an x-ray,and particulate radiation.Particulate radiation can be breathed inside the body,eaten.The type of radiation from a nuclear plant failure is particulate radiation.These radioactive particles can and will circle the globe,contaminating the world in the latitude of the plants.Plutonium is being released,it is the most toxic radioactive element.It is these particles that are breathed in by people,food animals,also eaten as cows eating grass.contaminating them,so meat,milk will be contaminated in the US.This accident is past 3 Mile Island,it is equal to Chernobyl.Another major concern is that fires have been reported in the spent fuel storage pools.They were breached from the earthquakes,spilling their cooling water.Nuclear fuel rod fires will definitely emit radioactivity into the air,for transport by the jet stream around the world.radiation monitoring should be showing radioactivity from the Japan accident by this Thursday,or Friday on the west coast of the US.

    • 2 years ago
  • ArchDruid
  • bailey78
  • ArchDruid
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  • ArchDruid
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  • PoliticalAmazon
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  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  

    • I'm hoping the best for the people in Japan. No one deserves to suffer especially after a Tsunami.
      I'm hoping the entire world takes note of this when countries think the easy way out of adverting their energy crisis is turning to nuclear power. There is no such thing as safe nuclear power and yet politicians are rushing into it as a solution. Has it become a joke that humanity must be on the verge of extinction before making any progress?

    • 2 years ago
  • mapczar
    • +5
      mapczar  
    • RaceBannon:

      Nuclear Power = global scale Russian roulette. It is just a matter of time before accidents, human or natural occur. We are playing massive risk with imperfect manmade technology that will eventually fail with catastrophic consequences for short term gains [$$$$$$$ for some].

    • 2 years ago
  • the1union1man2organize
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      the1union1man2organize  

    • Was just listening to faux and how they are playing down the dangerous radiation levels. Some a-hole from Ohio last name of Lerh was saying that there is no danger or downplays it as small compared to the dead coming ashore.

    • 2 years ago
  • ArthurDent
  • Incredulous
  • remanns
  • twinite
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      twinite  

    • When dealing with disaster information from Japan, it seems to me that it's best to assume things are a little worse then is being reported....and in light of what is being reported.....that scares the bee gee bee's out of me.

    • 2 years ago
  • mapczar
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      mapczar  
    • twinite:

      Good assumptions twinite.

      1. Minimize people panic -- especially if there is nothing you can really do. "Sealing" your house airtight will do only one thing -- cause CO2 built up, ultimately making your home your tomb. It may protect you from radioactive particulate matter but will do nothing in terms of wave activity anyway. It is meant to mollify and nothing more.

      2. Minimize financial panic which seems to be happening anyway. By all means, they must protect the money!

      3. Denial is among the first defense mechanisms deployed -- we can see it here in the radiation deniers.

      4. Politicians need to save face. No need to be Japanese for that -- it is part of the DNA of politicos.

      5. Delay in getting accurate information to communication centers BEFORE it undergoes the above screening process.

      6. Better err on the safety side and live.

    • 2 years ago
  • musicjohnny
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      musicjohnny  

    • I just wanted to point out that this title is a bit misleading...."soar" is hardly the appropriate word when the amount of radiation that's been released is about the equivalent of what you'd get from a CAT scan. And that's when measured at the source; by the time it gets to any people (about 20km away) its dissipated even further.
      I'm not saying this couldn't turn in to a serious situation, but right now, lets not push fear where it's not called for.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  
    • musicjohnny:

      Grossly inaccurately. Full Focus

      The average background radiation level we receive on Earth is 2.4 mSv per YEAR.

      A typical medical x-ray is about .02 milliSieverts (mSv) of radiation.

      Exposure to 100 mSv a YEAR is the lowest level at which an increase in cancer risk is clearly evident.

      Japan just reported radiation leaking from Fukushima power plant site is leaking at 400 millisievert....PER HOUR!

      Maybe this math is incorrect but the Radiation level outside the plant is currently... 1.46 MILLION TIMES the normal background radiation level!!! ((400*24*365)/2.4)

      ...And pouring into the world's atmosphere.

      http://current.com/news/93075344_japan-radioactivity-leaking-directly-into-atmos...

    • 2 years ago
  • musicjohnny
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      musicjohnny  
    • Dagum:

      Whoops, that was my bad, Dr. Sanjay Gupta was on the radio and gave those stats, but I looked it up and it was one of the other reactors, not the one mentioned in this article.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  

    • Ok, nobody on Current has said it yet, but I am going to say it. Vote me down if you like.

      HAARP

      "Asia's richest country hasn't seen such hardship since World War II...The stock market plunged for a second day"

      "and pummeled the world's third-largest economy."

      Sorry, but the seemingly strategic placement of overwhelming disaster around the world, all related to weather and geologic upheaval, does not strike me as haphazard when the true capabilities of HAARP are understood.

      Everyone who is not understanding that man produces evil as a bee produces honey must be blind or wrong in his head, William Golding (Lord of the Flies).

    • 2 years ago
  • musicjohnny
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      musicjohnny  
    • Incredulous:

      OK, that statement makes no sense for a number of reasons (even excluding the fact hat HAARP is incapable of doing anything like that).
      First: one must look at what is to be gained of lost for the parties involved. If the United States/HAARP were the perpetrators, then it stands to reason that they'd have something to gain, right? Well......what then? Japan is one of the U.S.'s biggest allies, the support us in virtually every conflict we are a part of, they're one of our largest trading partners, we have TONS of manufacturing ties to them, there are thousands and thousands of American companies that work out of Japan, and their stock market is linked to ours more closely than virtually any other country.

      Ok, now explain again: what do we gain from hurting them?

    • 2 years ago
  • Angeliron
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      Angeliron  
    • Incredulous:

      Tested in Haiti, one more in New Zeland, and then the main target, Japan. San Diablo is next in So. Cal, and then probably Salt Lake. I know just how challenging it can be telling the truth that no one wants to hear! Good job, thanks.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  
    • musicjohnny:

      Japan is ONE of the largest holders of our debt. I don't know much about HAARP or its capabilities but as far as a cynical motive for inflicting destruction on Japan, perhaps we want to reverse the creditor/debtor relationship and have them become indebted to us for the trillions it's going to cost to rebuild the country.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • musicjohnny:

      You are assuming that the US is at the controls for what HAARP does...I don't make that assumption, and given that the US is continuously being redefined as a corporatocracy, what the US (as defined by the citizens) has to gain or lose becomes increasingly insignificant....and yes, HAARP is capable of that, and more.

    • 2 years ago
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