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http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-rea...
Update, 22-Mar-2011, 1500 UTC
Soil measurements, 5 cm below surface, 40 miles from Fukushima, 400 times higher than ‘normal’, iodine-131 and cesium-137.
TEPCO ready to restore power in control rooms 3 and 4, as soon as spraying operations are finished today.
Surface winds in Japan still blowing from north to south.
RadNet and Radiation Network measurements remain low.
Update, 23-Mar-2011, 0400 UTC
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration will halt imports of dairy products and produce from the area of Japan where a nuclear reactor is leaking radiation. Other foods imported from Japan, including seafood, still will be sold to the public but screened first for radiation.
Although seemingly common-sense, the Japanese government is calling on consumers to refrain from eating leafy vegetables such as spinach and cabbage produced in Fukushima Prefecture.
Given that electrical power lines have been brought into Fukushima, and based on the lack of information or press-release that electrical cooling systems have been restored at any of the Fukushima reactors, we can logically assume that systems are damaged to sufficient degree, while they are likely attempting repairs.
Infrared temperature readings of Reactor 2 are reportedly around 260 F, well above boiling, indicating that there is no water inside.
Localities around Tokyo are now registering radiation levels of 100 – 300 nGy/h (not panic levels, but high), targetmap.com.
Surface winds are now southeast and southwest, from Fukushima partially towards Tokyo.
Main-Stream-Media is nearly entirely off the subject of the disaster in Japan, while fully engrossed in Libya. The short attention span is a sad thing.
Update, 23-Mar-2011, 1500 UTC
Rain water is believed to have caused radiation levels (iodinge-131) in Tokyo drinking water to have risen well above ‘safe’ levels for infants today in all 23 neighborhoods of Tokyo and 5 surrounding cities, a region of 30 Million people. Huge demand now for bottled water.
New smoke rising from Reactor 3 resulted in worker evacuation from No. 3 reactor, as well as firefighters preparing for a water-spraying operation, which was then abandoned for the day.
Reactor 1 is designed for temperatures up to 575 F. Reactor 1 is now registering 750F.
Workers are now receiving 1 year of maximum radiation in just 30 minutes, and are being constantly rotated.
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Best Wishes for the folks in Japan. Including you Kalima!!! Have I mentioned how much I hate it when bad things happen to good people???
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telcod
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And everything was going so well.......
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telcod:
That IS what they SAID( wink ) , It is unwise to believe everything one is told . Especially when money and rep is a stake . They were just glad to get the public eye off the ball with Libya .
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http://nwcn.com/news/118368719.html Workers flee nuclear plant as smoke rises .
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Fucukshima residents are now being urged not to drink the tap water , as there are dangerously high radioactive elements in it . This crisis is ongoing ...
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Glad to know , but , doesn't that mean , that no one can move back , ever ? If the water there is poison ..... i do not believe much can be done .
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ArchDruid:
This is a great list , good people . I wish i could give something besides this post ...
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royulery
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things will change because of this catastrophe. the atomic energy commission will call for safer reactors but they will not stop them, they are invested in having breeder reactors to create weapons grade plutonium. nuclear reactors are not just for making electricity, they are the only source of plutonium, as it does not occur naturally.
japan has a lot of reactors to build their stock pile of nuclear weapons. their hidden nuclear resources are the main reason that their enemies, china in particular, has not squashed them. - 1 year ago
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royulery:
I hope you have miscalculated he power of the public outcry ...
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Japan's Nuclear Crisis, Stuxnet and SCADA Defenses
"Stuxnet targeted high speed rotating machinery controls, most probably the Uranium enrichment centrifuges in Iran. Both electricity generators and water pumps are examples of rotating machinery that are also controlled in industrial systems by PLCs (Programmable Logic Controllers). Communications with industrial control systems, often via SCADA, can be a vector for attack, or as in the case of Stuxnet, malware can be introduced directly by a bad actor. It is not hard to extrapolate that designer-malware could target these systems with the intent to shut them down and cause at the very least the emergency shut down of a nuclear power plant, at the worst, release of a radioactive plume and the permanent disabling of the reactor - as has happened in Japan,.."
https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/12628-Japans-Nuclear-Crisis-Stuxnet-and-S...
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Paisano1:
Thus we plant the seeds of our own destruction .
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Wetdog
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futuregen----you are preaching heresy. If you continue to blaspheme right wing doctrine and corporate profits you will be irradiated at the stake.
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http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/rethinking-how-to-cool-the-indian-poin...
Indian Point and Hope Creek nuclear plant, near the southern tip of New Jersey are both salt water plants and need to be shut down immediately.
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futuregen:
Yes !
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/20/steven-chu-indian-point-nuclear-plant-n...
"Wallace followed up and asked, "But are you saying the issue of whether to keep Indian Point in operation is in doubt, is something you're going to review?"
Chu clarified that keeping Indian Point open is a decision that will be made by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which will be reviewing it."
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Indian Point is not safe. It is a salt water reactor. The NRC is an irresponsible agency that could care less about public safety or what the public wants. They just re-licensed Vermont Yankee against the will of the people of Vermont, the Vermont legislature and the Governor of Vermont. This was all done the day of the Japan earthquake. Vermont Yankee is the exact same General Electric reactor that just blew in Japan.
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http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/246076/japanese-tragedy-is-too-close-for-c..."I would like everyone to be aware of several facts.
The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant is located on the Connecticut River. (We, of course, also have Seabrook Station on the other side, on our Seacoast.)
The Vermont Yankee reactor and the Fukushima reactor vessels are of the same type. They were both built by the same company, GE. They are both of the same age and were both commissioned at the same time, circa 1971. Vermont Yankee is now one of the oldest and perhaps the most obsolete plant in the United States.
In earlier official studies it was concluded that the Vermont Yankee "containment" structure is inadequate to actually contain radiation in a major event. It was shown it would fail and be destroyed unless deliberately "vented" to the atmosphere - exactly as the Fukushima operators were attempting, which actually caused the first explosion there. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission embraced this as an acceptable option in order to continue allowing the Yankee plant to operate.
Furthermore, Yankee's high level waste storage pools are outside the "containment." They are filled far beyond their design capacity with high-level radioactive used fuel rods.
These pools are, like Fukushima, dependent on active and perpetually uninterrupted water cooling pumps to prevent the radioactive rods from melting down and violently burning.
Both over-aged plants were slated for permanent closing this year. The Fukushima plant had recently received a 10-year extension of its license.
Despite being well beyond its design age and having already experienced numerous equipment failures and leaks, on Friday, on the same day of the Japanese reactor explosion, the Yankee plant was granted a 20-year extension by the NRC. Its owner has immediately placed the plant up for sale. Questions about liability and site cleanup remain unanswered.
We in New Hampshire all live directly downwind from the Vermont Yankee plant on our border.
Can we rest assured that they have anticipated and adequately prepared for any possible event?"
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http://www.necn.com/03/20/11/Vermont-vigil-supports-people-at-risk-in/landing.ht...
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futuregen
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http://www.thenation.com/article/159234/fukushimas-spent-fuel-rods-pose-grave-da...
http://www.dcbureau.org/201103151304/Natural-Resources-News-Service/is-airborne-...
"The mixed oxide fuel rods used in the compromised number three reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi complex contain enough plutonium to threaten public health with the possibility of inhalation of airborne plutonium particles. The compromised fuel rods supplied to the Tokyo Electric Company by the French firm AREVA.
Plutonium is at its most dangerous when it is inhaled and gets into the lungs. The effect on the human body is to vastly increase the chance of developing fatal cancers.
Masashi Goto, a reactor researcher and designer for Toshiba, told the Foreign Correspondents Club in Toyko the mixed oxide (MOX) fuel used in unit 3 of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility uses plutonium, which is “much more toxic than the fuel used in the other reactors.”
Goto said that the MOX also has a lower melting point than the other reactor fuels. The Fukushima facility began using MOX fuel in September 2010, becoming the third plant in Japan to do so, according to MOX supplier AREVA.
Part of the process of making MOX fuel is to grind plutonium into a fine power before it is robotically inserted into fuel rods. Experts agree these tiny plutonium particles once airborne are extremely dangerous to human health.
Workers observing material at the Shaw-AREVA Mixed-Oxide Plant at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina. Photo: Shaw-ArevaWorkers observing material at the Shaw-AREVA Mixed-Oxide Plant at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina. Photo: Shaw-Areva
One of the unique characteristics of mixed oxide fuel is that relatively little of the plutonium in the fuel rods is used up in the fuel cycle in a reactor. “When the plutonium in the fuel rods goes into a reactor for commercial power, a very little of it is going to be consumed. I don’t know what percentage, maybe half percentage or something like that, but it’s going to generate an extraordinary amount of contamination throughout the fuel rods…,” says William Lawler, an expert on radioactive waste.
The damaged number three reactor was undergoing its first fuel cycle using MOX at Daiichi."
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Remember, this was today's update from the MOX reactor:
Unit 3
Unit 3 experienced an explosion on 14 March that destroyed the outer shell of the building's upper floors. The blast may have damaged the primary containment vessel and the spent fuel pool. Concerned by possible loss of water in the pool, authorities began spraying water into the building in an effort to replenish water levels. First, helicopters dropped seawater on 17 March, and every day since then, including today, emergency workers have sprayed water from fire trucks and other vehicles.
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futuregen:
all humans, animals and plants have a little plutonium from the 2,053 nuclear tests. i remember carl sagan saying that plutonium is the most poisonous substance in the world and that 1 pound divided equally among every man, woman and child, would kill everyone.
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This book is the seventh in a series of titles from the National Research Council that addresses the effects of exposure to low dose LET (Linear Energy Transfer) ionizing radiation and human health. Updating information previously presented in the 1990 publication, Health Effects of Exposure to Low Levels of Ionizing Radiation: BEIR V, this book draws upon new data in both epidemiologic and experimental research. Ionizing radiation arises from both natural and man-made sources and at very high doses can produce damaging effects in human tissue that can be evident within days after exposure. However, it is the low-dose exposures that are the focus of this book. So-called late effects, such as cancer, are produced many years after the initial exposure. This book is among the first of its kind to include detailed risk estimates for cancer incidence in addition to cancer mortality. BEIR VII offers a full review of the available biological, biophysical, and epidemiological literature since the last BEIR report on the subject and develops the most up-to-date and comprehensive risk estimates for cancer and other health effects from exposure to low-level ionizing radiation.
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11340#description
FU Ann Coulter. Thanks for helping to kill my kids. I have a son in Seattle who won't leave because he believes your bullshit. So he will inhale the plutonium from the MOX reactor and be dead soon. I hope you pro-lifers are satisfied. I thought you were supposed to be saving babies, not killing them.
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futuregen:
This is great info , thanks , glad you are getting us updated with the research .
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http://www.ratical.org/radiation/inetSeries/ejs1192.html
"But it was not just on humans that this happened--all over the world. We find the same effects took place in England and in southern Germany. The increases in infant mortality spread as far as Turkey and Finland and the Mediterranean. But it also affected animals.
In fact one of the more interesting stories in Deadly Deceit is the story about how Dr. DeSante, north of San Francisco in the Point Reyes Bird Sanctuary, discovered that young birds failed to hatch when the rains brought down fallout all the way half-way around the world north of San Francisco. Instead of the usual ten new young birds per one hundred birds that they expected, they found only four. It was a very significant decline. In fact, they couldn't understand it at all until somebody jokingly said It must have been the fallout from Chernobyl, and when they followed it up, sure enough everyone--and all the various ornithologists on the west coast all along in the wet areas--found that the birds failed to reproduce or had enormous loss of new young songbirds. Whereas in the dry areas of the Sierra where there was no rain--on the other side of the Sierra mountains--there was no effect on the birds. So they were able to tie it to the radioactivity that was brought down and even though the levels were of course much, much lower than in the Soviet Union, they were very serious in terms of the effect on the newborn. And that is always the greatest concern.
DTR: And that way of seeing it in California but not east of the Sierra is exactly what you saw with Alamogordo's test where the places that it went where is was wet,
EJS: Right, you can always tell where the rainfall was heaviest, [because rain literally washes the fallout out of the atmosphere and carries it down to earth --ratitor] that's where the babies died in the next few years. What is even more important is that we have now, in the last few years, been able to establish that the shape of the dose-response curve, in other words the risks as a function of the dose, is not a straight line, as people are now assuming, but is in fact a concave downward supralinear curve which means that at very low doses the effect is much greater per millirad--typically a thousand times greater--than at doses which are high.[1]"
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futuregen:
This is amazing research !
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http://www.mitchelcohen.com/?page_id=329
"The rapid rise of serious biological effects at very small doses followed by a levelling-off at higher doses explains the present underestimate of low-dose effects, which are based on a linear extrapolation from studies done at high doses. The new studies following Chernobyl and Three Mile Island not only point to the dangers from nuclear accidents but explain the unexpectedly large increases of infant and total mortality rates in areas near nuclear reactors observed in recent years.
These results imply that the effects of releases of radioactivity into the environment are thousands of times more serious than presently calculated on the basis of cancer risk to adults from short external X-rays and gamma radiation exposures.
In conclusion, serious damage to human immune systems and infant development occurs at much larger distances from the site of radioactive releases than presently admitted; the nuclear industry’s push for smaller evacuation zones around nuclear plants while still allowing for releases of iodine-131, in however small an amount, runs completely counter to the new evidence produced by the Chernobyl accident and other related studies of low dose radiation effects.
The medical and scientific community has long believed, on the basis of linear extrapolations from high doses, that low-level radiation from fallout and nuclear plant releases can be dismissed as posing a negligibly small danger. This is the principal assumption that scientists must now reevaluate. The new evidence cries out for an end to the manufacture and testing of nuclear weapons, and the immediate shutdown of all nuclear power plants."
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We are toast.
http://www.ratical.com/radiation/inetSeries/DDoverV.html
"This post contains the Overview (beginning 78 lines below) section of the updated 1991 edition of Deadly Deceit, Low-Level Radiation, High-Level Coverup, a vitally important book providing the kind of analysis needed to offset the mind-numbing "Everything's o.k.--there's no immediate health danger--go back to sleep everyone" sort of mantra consitently chanted by government and nuclear industry officials everytime there has been an accident at a nuclear facility. It is critical to understand however, that even the routine and "legal" releases and emissions from all nuclear reactors are followed by consistent increases in infant mortality and excess deaths for people living downwind from such sites. This book helps quantify the growing body of research and knowledge regarding the absolutely lethal nature of nuclear technology. There is no such thing as "the peaceful atom" where the nuclear fuel cycle and nuclear techonology as a whole is concerned. "
" Our findings of a supralinear effect also agree with similar findings for cancer mortality from exposures to low-level radiation made by four eminent authorities: Dr. John Gofman, Dr. Karl Z. Morgan, Dr. Thomas Mancuso and Dr. Alice Stewart. All four scientists worked at various times for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission or Department of Energy. All four concluded that the dose-response relationship was supralinear, which means that there is no level of radiation low enough to be deemed "safe". The government terminated the services of all four when they each, independently, came up with what Dr. Gofman has called the "wrong" answer--that is, the opposite of what the AEC wanted to hear.
The supralinear dose-response for infant mortality may apply to all deaths from immune-system damage caused by radiation-induced free radicals (the so-called "Petkau effect" which is discussed in the methodological appendix). This generalization is supported by a projection of the current trend in the U.S. age-adjusted mortality rates (see Chapter Seven). This projection suggests that without fundamental change, the death rates of all age groups will begin to rise in the 21st century, cancelling out previous advances in longevity."
"Chapter Two deals with perhaps our most startling discovery, that radiation from the April 26, 1986 Chernobyl disaster, which reached the U.S. early in May of 1986, was followed almost immediately by an extraordinary force of mortality, amounting to perhaps 40,000 excess deaths in the summer months, especially in the month of May. The acceleration in deaths particularly affected the very young, the very old, and those suffering from infectious diseases such as AIDS, suggesting that the ingestion of Chernobyl fission products had an immediate adverse impact on those with vulnerable immune systems."
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http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclear-rods-b...
Did everyone see this? (Based in a report from the fantastic people at NIRS) PLEASE make sure you read the article. Vital Info.
One posted comment after the article is:
" CensoredBuyMSM says:
March 16, 2011 at 12:59 amOK, I’m no mathmatician but I think there is something wrong with their math. The article states that there are 7 pools holding these spent rods. Six on top of each reactor buiding and one common pool. Each of the six pools holds 3450 rod assemblies…..this should translate to: 6×3450=20,700….correct? now, the seventh pool is a “common pool” that holds 6,291 Rod Assemblies…..so that makes this nukienukie plant stores 26,991 Rod ASSEMBLIES. EACH ROD ASSEMBLY holds 63 spent fuel rods. shouldn’t that translate to 26,991 X 63? So doesnt that actually mean this plant has 1,700,433 ?
THAT SHOULD READ ONE-MILLION-SEVEN-HUNDRED THOUSAND-FOUR-HUNDRED-THIRTY- THREE FUEL RODS? 1,700,433
“The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools dedicated to spent fuel rods. These are located at the top of six reactor buildings – or were until explosions and fires ravaged the plant. On the ground level there is a common pool in a separate building that was critical damaged by the tsunami. Each reactor building pool holds 3,450 fuel rod assemblies and the common pool holds 6,291 fuel rod assemblies. Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. In short, the Fukushima Daiichi plant contains over 600,000 spent fuel rods – a massive amount of radiation that will soon be released into the atmosphere”
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March 16, 2011 at 1:21 amwell.. 1 700 430 is over 600 000.. so it’s not realy lying..
man.. i thought those guys who build nuke plants are supose to be smart.. who on earth would think that it’s a good idea to place old rods over the reactor that potentialy can blow up in worst case scenario?. did they thought that if reactor blows, then tere would be such heall on earth that some extra radiation wouldn’t matter much?
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CensoredBuyMSM says:
March 16, 2011 at 1:36 amI was thinking the same….actually a little more on the “legal” or “justice” side…..the bastards who designed and built it appears to have done this to ASSURE massive death and maximum damage and SHOULD (in my humble opinion) be charged, tried and put to death …..of course upon conviction of gross neg causing massive damage and death at “best” and all out MURDER if it can be proven they did this intentionally.)
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March 16, 2011 at 1:56 amAll I keep seeing is the mural from Denver National Airport…..wish I could post it. But I’m sure most of you know…….
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futuregen:
I think your number is what was reported on the Rachel Maddow show on Wednesday or Thursday. A shit heap of nuclear material.
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In 1991, the late Charles Frizzle, former President of the Maine Yankee Atomic Power Plant (died of testicular cancer) stated in a Maine Public Service PUC rate hearing that Maine Yankee was disintegrating from the salt-water, that it was falling apart. France was called in at least 3 times to try to fix the plant but it was finally shut down in 1996. http://www.maineyankee.com/ This plant was only 24 years old and already had disintegrated from salt water. All salt water plants need to be shut down immediately. The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plants are all salt water. (Over 40 years old?) and what are they spraying them with? SALT WATER!!! This just shows the ignorance that racks this nuclear industry. Even America has not learned from the Maine Yankee disaster/ economic and health fiasco. So the water vaporizes and what is left? SALT! Salt on decaying fuel rods only decays them more. Nothing like putting salt on an open wound. If there is a heaven, please help us.
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futuregen:
I am learning SO much from these posts ! Thank you so much . This is very alarming !
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http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
"Here is a summary of spent fuel conditions at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, based on documents and confirmed by Japanese officials (new information in bold):
Unit 1
Unit 1 experienced an explosion on 12 March that destroyed the outer shell of the building's upper floors. No precise information has been available on the status of the spent fuel pool.
Unit 2
No precise information has been available on the status of the spent fuel pool. Authorities began adding 40 tonnes of seawater to the spent fuel pool on 20 March.
Unit 3
Unit 3 experienced an explosion on 14 March that destroyed the outer shell of the building's upper floors. The blast may have damaged the primary containment vessel and the spent fuel pool. Concerned by possible loss of water in the pool, authorities began spraying water into the building in an effort to replenish water levels. First, helicopters dropped seawater on 17 March, and every day since then, including today, emergency workers have sprayed water from fire trucks and other vehicles.
Unit 4
This reactor was shut down 30 November 2010 for routine maintenance, and all the fuel assemblies were transferred from the reactor to the spent fuel pool, before the 11 March earthquake. The heat load in this pool is therefore larger than the others.
On 14 March, the building's upper floors were severely damaged, possibly causing a reduction of cooling capability in the spent fuel pool. Emergency workers began spraying water into the building today.
Unit 5 and 6
Instrumentation at these reactors began to indicate rising temperatures at their spent fuel pools starting on 14 March. Three days later, Japanese technicians successfully started an emergency diesel generator at Unit 6, which they used to provide power to basic cooling and fresh-water replenishment systems. Workers created holes in the rooftops of both buildings to prevent any hydrogen accumulation, which is suspected of causing earlier explosions at Units 1 and 3.
A second generator came online on 18 March, and the next day, the higher-capability Residual Heat Removal system recovered full function. Temperatures in the spent fuel pools of Units 5 and 6 have gradually returned to significantly lower temperatures. (See graph at left.)
Common Use Spent Fuel Pool
In addition to pools in each of the plant's reactor buildings, there is another facility -- the Common Use Spent Fuel Pool -- where spent fuel is stored after cooling at least 18 months in the reactor buildings. This fuel is much cooler than the assemblies stored in the reactor buildings. Japanese authorities have confirmed that fuel assemblies there are fully covered by water, and the temperature was 57 ËšC as of 20 March, 00:00 UTC."
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I like Ralph Nader who is never " nada." A man of social consciousness and a deep conviction to human responsibility. He knows how we are abusing future generations and stuck on stupid helps no one. He knows that when a economy survives on military activity, the endless war is in sight. Britain´s arm sales is 76% of their economy, similar for USA, most of the economy is driven by Military Industrial Complex, sounds like a disease.
Ralph lives by principles, people before profits,
He cares about the rest of US!LISTEN UP RALPH IS SPEAKING!
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Today like all other days the news is talking about how Japan is getting the accident under control but no one has asked are mentioned that the water that is being used to control the heat from these reactors is contaminated when it hits the ground and is seeping into the earth and will cause the problem that they are having with drinking water being contaminated with radioactive particles. The pools that hold the spent fuel are open and if water is sprayed to keep them full any water that overflows will be contaminated.
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oldbanjo:
It is not under control , only the media is .
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Out of necessity, just added this to "Nuclear News," a new group.
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EthicalVegan:
Thank you : )
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nuclear energy had too much support to ever stop, until now. ever case of cancer or sds from now on will make this disaster suspect.
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royulery:
We must seize this moment , to end big oil and nuclear support - they are a dead end for us all !
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And please throw Ann Coulter into a nuclear cesspool. And anyone else who supports nuclear power. It's time for a change in our planetary energy policy.
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Remember people, you have to participate. Do what he says: "pick up the phone and dial the White House comment number, which is (202) 456-1111". Oh yeah, Obama is not there to listen to the calls. He's south of the equator avoiding the worst of the fallout. Call anyway before you die of radiation poisoning please. No outside organic gardens anymore. They have screwed us royally this time. We are all about to mutate.
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I love you Ralph Nader! Close them down!
"RALPH NADER: The Japanese disaster has ended whatever nuclear renaissance is being considered here in the United States. The problem is that people have got to get more involved, because the government and the industry will defend nuclear power in the United States to the last mutation. They are representing a closed, monetized mind that does not have options for revision, which true science should provide for. Secretary Chu, Energy Secretary, has refused for two years to meet with the leading critics of nuclear power, such as the Union of Concerned Scientists, Friends of the Earth and other groups. He has met with nuclear business interests regularly, and he has written articles touting nuclear power.
What we’re seeing here is 110 or so operating nuclear plants in the United States, many of them aging, many of them infected with corrosion, faulty pipes, leaky pumps and combustible materials. These have been documented by data from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission assembled by the Union of Concerned Scientists. Indian Point, for example, is a plant that presents undue risks, in the opinion of the Union of Concerned Scientists, to millions of people in the New York City greater area. And it is unevacuable if there’s an accident. You’re never going to evacuate a population of millions of people, whether it’s around San Onofre or Diablo Canyon in Southern California or Indian Point or Davis-Besse near Toledo and Detroit or any of the other endangered nuclear plants.
Why are we playing Russian roulette with the American people for nuclear plants whose principal objective is simply to boil water and produce steam? This is technological insanity. It presents national security problems, for every nuclear plant is a prime target. It affects our civil liberties. It endangers our workers. It is an industry that cannot be financed by Wall Street because it’s too risky. Wall Street demands 100 percent taxpayer guarantees for any nuclear plant.
So I suggest that people listening and watching this program to pick up the phone and dial the White House comment number, which is (202) 456-1111, (202) 456-1111, and demand the following: that there be public hearings in every area where there’s a nuclear plant, so the people can see for themselves what the hazards are, what the risks are, how farcical the evacuation plans are, how costly nuclear power is, and how it can be replaced by energy efficiency, by solar energy, different kinds of solar energy, by cogeneration, as Amory Lovins and many others, Peter Bradford, have pointed out.
We must no longer license any new nuclear plants. We should shut down the ones like Indian Point. How many people know that Hillary Clinton, as senator, and Andrew Cuomo, as attorney general, demanded that Indian Point be shut down? That doesn’t matter to the monetized minds in Washington, D.C. We also should prepare a plan where, apart from the aging plants, which should be shut down, and apart from the earthquake-risk plants—should be shut down—for the phase-out of the entire industry. We’re going to be left with radioactive waste for hundreds of thousands of years, for which there is no permanent repository. This is institutional insanity, and I urge the people in this country to wake up before they experience what is now going on in northern Japan: uninhabitable territory, thousands dead, hundreds of thousands at risk of cancer, enormous economic loss. And for what?"
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/why_are_we_playing_russian_roulette
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No More Nuke Plants!
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I like the idea of enforced evacuation drills up to a 25 mile radius.
Schools, hospitals and large businesses are required to have fire safety and evacuation drills once a month.
I would think that if people who lived within 25 miles had to pack up and leave their homes once a month-----they'd start thinking about other ways to get their electricity pretty darned quick.
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Who cares how many die? What about the land which may remain unususable for thousands of years. I don't think the catastrophe is nearly over yet.
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Ralph in '12
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PigFarmington:
I like Ralph, but I think Ron Paul is a lot better of a candidate.
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Ralph 2012
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I think not !
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For alternative energy sources, wind, solar etc., to work, we also have to drastically cut down our energy consumption. We can't continue to be energy hogs if we want nuclear power off the table.
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The problem with nuclear power is that we are more dependent on it than most know. Nuclear reactors aren't just used for power, they are the main producers of medical isotopes. These isotopes are used in such things as x-ray imaging and a wide variety of cancer treatments. Without them our medical system would be crippled (ba-dum tish!) - and indeed we are already experiencing a shortage. America's buying power has alleviated the major pains of this for us, but a shut down of all or most reactors would exacerbate this badly. Many towns and cities also rely on nuclear power as their main or sole source of electricity. They are hardly ideal power generators as they are obviously not exactly safe, but we need viable alternatives, such as wind and solar plants for electricity and more particle accelerators for isotopes to both replace nuclear plants and pick up the extra slack already causing a shortage. Both projects would require massive amounts of construction and spending.
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I agree with those who have called Nuclear Power the Devil's Bargain. My sincere hope is that the present crisis in Japan will serve to awaken the world to the indisputible fact that Nuclear Tech was never safe, is not safe now, and never will be safe. If this crisis serves to abort the so-called Nuclear Renaissance, it would bring some meaning to the massive, needless suffering in Japan. We must learn to live within the planet's means, and forget this greed for unlimited power at any cost.
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miles_ahead:
At 30,000 feet depth the Marianas Trench water pressure (unlimited energy from) is 8 tons per square inch.
That's what the planet offers us, without radioactive waste. It's there for the picking => free to whoever wants it, all over this water-covered world.
Unlimited Energy.
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Very interesting. I have never thought about this before. I did know there are places near the poles with continuous 80 mph winds that might be harnessed, and of course the energy of the Sun. Why people can't conceive of a clean energy future is beyond me. Perhaps fear, filth and violence are our comfort zone, because they seem familiar?
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Yeah. You get so used to standing beside a gasoline pump it's a quantum leap to think of a way to make super powerful explosions from combining liquid air with steam and never having to pump hard-earned dolares into a pump again too.
We aren't moving as fast as turtles on a cold day. This is like the atmosphere has been alchemied into thick molasses.
If a meteor was to take us out it would be a Mercy Killing.
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miles_ahead:
There's ways to harness solar energy where you set up a continuous loop, so that the heated air doesn't cool completely back down to room temperature, or outside temperature. So what you have then is a pre-heated wind cycle inside an enclosure.
Beats heck out of starting from scratch too.And if clouds temporarily block the sun you'd have a temperature operated shut off the airflow til the sun came back.
You could get enough generator spinning going on in a few hours of sun a day to run a home. Many days you'd have much more sun time than that so you'd need to set up a storage system. And all you need for that is a motor running a weight up a pole.
Whenever the sun is blocked the weight would slide down the pole and the motor would then become a generator. There are many ways to skin an energy cat. We'll escape the quicksand one day, the day Jesus gets here I imagine.
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miles_ahead:
It was just a few months ago when I had a rather sudden epiphany for the ocean energy, November 2010 actually. But of course there are many other ocean energy systems that had already obtained Funding, so they are first in line.
http://current.com/technology/92858210_ocean-energy-fishing-8-tons-per-square-in...
You can't allow latecomers to move ahead in line. That'd be chaos.
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miles_ahead:
Lack of imagination is a real problem in this country . It is simply easier to conceive of things the way they are , that anything strange and different , however improved that may be .
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Yes, for many years now, I have thought lack of imagination to be the biggest problem we are facing.
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I haven't read the article yet, but I'm assuming Ralph Nader has been bitten by something radioactive and, upon gaining superpowers, is now attempting to take over the world under the moniker "Radioactive Ralph". Let me go confirm this, I'll be back in a minute.
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Jeremy_Benson:
Man, I must be really bad at cracking jokes.
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They've built a house of cards and we're going to have to pay for it when it comes crashing down.
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ArchDruid:
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2009/01/27/nuclear_hybrid/
I just read this and thought you might enjoy the science. The comments at the end are rather long but many make some very legitimate arguments on both sides of the issue.I think in the long term many people, in Japan, will be poisoned by this radiation release. You are also correct in stating that the BP spill is and will have long term poisoning affects. 20 years from now governments will be saying, "How could we have possibly known?"
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I voted for Ralph I saw Mr O making his retreat from credibility before the election.It continues.The Democrats are duplicitous bastids.To those who make excuses for Mr O I say when you're tired of having smoke blown up your A** you will achieve clarity.Mr O is the biggest Con eva.This is worse than bush.An enemy known is one thing to have one in your midst,a Brutus and all allow him to continue is a huge heap of denial.Wake up Dems! have a viable challenger to Brutus,such as Russ Feingold.
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All this is , is a super fancy , super toxic for 1,000,000 years way , TO HEAT WATER ?! There are lots of other ways to heat water . Jees .
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Republicans fund Nader as decisive electoral weapon
Share16 Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington The Guardian, Tuesday 10 August 2004 01.51 BST Article historyRalph Nader, the consumers' champion who became the scourge of Democrats for his determination to run for US president, faced a concerted challenge yesterday to his candidacy in a battleground state.
In two separate lawsuits, Democratic activists in Pennsylvania sought to keep Mr Nader off November's ballot.The move intensifies the war between Republicans and Democrats over Mr Nader's candidacy, a conflict fuelled by the maverick's willingness to accept funds and help from some of George Bush's most ardent supporters.
Republicans are eager to see Mr Nader do well - not because of his stand on the environment or Iraq - but in the hope that he will tip the balance towards Mr Bush in the race against John Kerry, the Democratic challenger. But the Democrats have stood their ground, with activists harrying Mr Nader's effort to get on the ballot in several states.
In the Pennsylvania lawsuits Democrats accused the Nader campaign of falsifying thousands of names on petitions endorsing his candidacy in the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh areas. His campaign was also accused of failing to pay the contractors who organised the petition and who allegedly paid homeless people a dollar for each signature.
A spokesman for Mr Nader said only petition gatherers who turned in fraudulent signatures were unpaid.
The Democrats took Pennsylvania by a relatively slim margin during the last election and party activists defended the law suits against Mr Nader yesterday.
"The bottom line for us is that we are partisan Democrats, and we are very much interested in getting John Kerry elected," said Michael Manzo, aide to a Democratic state legislator. "We view Mr Nader's candidacy as a threat. Will it be a large threat? We hope not, but we are not willing to take any chances."
Similar scenarios are unfolding in other states with Democrats fighting a rearguard action to keep Mr Nader out of the presidential race.
In the battleground state of Arizona he was knocked off the ballot on a technicality, and the party is raising funds for legal challenges in Florida, Michigan, West Virginia and Nevada.
Mr Nader dismissed the challenges as a display of insecurity. "It shows the lack of confidence Democrats have in their own candidate," he told Businessweek magazine.
However, among Mr Nader's new supporters this election is the billionaire Richard Egan, who was appointed ambassador to Ireland after raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for President Bush. Campaign monitors say other big Republican donors have contributed as well. In Oregon, also poised for a tight contest, two conservative groups admitted telephoning supporters to help put Mr Nader on the ticket.
But even with the new-found patrons, he has made slow progress in his effort to get on state ballots. He missed a chance to get on the ballot in California at the weekend when supporters raised only half the 153,000 signatures required.
But Democrats say that was Mr Nader's due when he decided to contest these elections, reopening the feud on the American left begun when Mr Nader drained off crucial support for Al Gore in the 2000 elections, handing Mr Bush his victory.
With memories of that defeat still rankling, even some of Mr Nader's closest associates were outraged when he announced his candidacy earlier this year.
That anger grew further when Mr Nader rebuffed a request from Mr Kerry to stay out of the race in key states.
That is when the Democratic machine stepped in with Howard Dean, a hero to the party's left wing for his anti-war stance, deployed to herd wayward Democrats.
One of Mr Dean's aides from his failed campaign for the Democratic leadership founded a website called the Nader Factor which documents Republican support for Mr Nader.
Mr Nader is not expected to match the 2.8m votes he won last time. But some like John Zogby, the Democratic pollster, say that hardly matters.
He said Mr Nader could hold the balance in several states - should he succeed in getting on the ballot.
But his candidacy presents another challenge for the Democrats.
"He is the ghost of the left, he is the one who rallies the anti-war sentiment and Democratic populism, and so his presence in the race is casting a shadow on Kerry," Mr Zogby said.
"It's not going to be enough for him just not to be George Bush."
States of flux
A poll last week had Kerry on 48%, Bush 43%, and Nader 3%. If Nader gets on the ballots, and taking into account polls' margins of error, he can turn several states, including:
Florida
Kerry 1% up on Bush
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Kerry 4% up on Bush
Nader 4%Pennsylvania
Kerry 5% up on Bush
Nader 5%· Source: Zogby International, Mason Dixon, the University of New Hampshire
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Printable versionSend to a friendShareClipContact usArticle historyAs I said earlier Ralph Nader is a traitor. I take no prisoners and I call people on thier actions not there words. Nader has both hands out because he sold out.
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SoCalFramer:
I find it interesting YOU call Nader a traitor . What are you betraying , right now ?
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SoCalFramer:
Alleged is not proof. The democrats won if you had not noticed; had both houses of congress and the presidency. Still Acorn got dismantled over lies and a fraudulent video tape. Still at war in two countries, and there have been no prosecutions for the robbery perpetuated by wall street and the Bankers.
Kerry lost because he let a smear campaign go unchecked instead of going on the attack. Could be said that HE (Kerry) never really wanted to win. Nader, whether you like him or hate him, is still speaking truth to power and trying to smear his reputation does nothing to address the issue of more nuclear power plants being built.
One thing your post makes excessively clear is that neither party has the interest of the American people at heart and will try all underhanded methods to elect their own stooge. People vote from Fear, Faith and pocketbook. We need to get the money out of elections or nothing is going to change. I voted for Obama not because I thought he was the right man for the job but because the thought of McCain/ Palin scared the living shit out of me.
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SoCalFramer:
YES!
Nader betrayed his country in 2000 and he will always be an unforgiven villain. Those who try to blame SCOTUS to deflect blame from Nader for the Bush victory in 2000 are deluded apologists.
Nader was overcome by his vanity, and he fell from grace. In 2000 he went from a consumer rights hero to a political villain, seduced by his own egomania. It is a sad and tragic story. Nader's shame is deep and profound - he betrayed his country in her hour of need.
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It sucks having to choose between the lesser of two evils . I felt the same way .
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Very well said!
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so if that's the case Obama can fund Ron Paul again.
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I usually agree with you 100%, but not so sure on this one. Probably Gore would have won without Nader in the picture, but Gore did not become an effective public speaker until after his defeat. My take at the time was that Gore failed to come across strongly, and failed to differentiate himself enough from Bush. I found myself thinking, sheesh, it shouldn't be this tough to defeat that moron Bush! But Gore was frankly uninspiring, which makes his later transformation all the more remarkable. I voted for him anyway, of course, and knew we were in for some bad times when he "lost." Later, when Gore had done his soul-searching, and was delivering great speeches, my thoughts were, "This is a great man, who should have been our President." Had Gore been elected, chances are we would not have seen the attacks of Sept 11, and we'd be living in a better world now.
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Big picture analysis , Nader served the people in that he pushed both the political parties to address REAL issues of public safety , they would have otherwise swept under the table by running . There is good and bad in what happened . I too am sorry Al gore lost , yet i also believe it is a waste of time to play the "what if" game . Al gore was free to make other important contributions with his time . I find it hard to believe the evil that has pulled out country to torture and be as corrupt as it is , could be stemmed for more than a few years by an Al Gore Presidency . They would have attacked him 247 . How much could he have gotten done ? I also point out , some of the GREATEST LEADERS in human history , NEVER HELD PUBLIC OFFICE . Real leadership , does not require it . Ghandhi , MLK , Joan Of Arc .... A leader serves the people , by assisting them to know their own hearts and to find their courage to act .
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Nader is a traitor to what, the corporatist Dems?
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I refuse to do it anymore.
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artemis6:
As did/do I...
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I know my vilification of Nader is somewhat irrational, chock it up to PTSD - the 2000 election was a very painful thing.
I did not and I still do not understand Nader's decision to stay in the race and take votes from Gore that could have won the election for the Dems. I will never be able to forgive Nader for that.
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I've never been able to listen to his voice, or look at his face, since that happened, so I fully understand.
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I understand , artists and thinkers i know in different cities had to gather support groups , just to cope . It was devastating and demoralizing . And astonishing . My gut says it was stolen both times , though there was no smoking guy that second time ..... It was a huge blow .
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Glad to here it , there is a small window of chance open to us , to fight it now .
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Knowledge must not be wasted !We must not let this tragedy go , without something good to come from it , a nuclear free world perhaps ?
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I had him pegged from the beginning. Never could stand him!
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Rachel Maddow has done some extremely good coverage of this radiation leak over the past week for anyone who would like to better understand the design and how the reactors containment has failed. Just scroll over previously viewed for dates and shows from the past week .
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Treewoof I sent reply.
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The Nuclear Forest Recovery Zone by Paul Stamets:
http://current.com/shows/upstream/93086765_the-nuclear-forest-recovery-zone-by-p...
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i've never liked ralph nader, he wrote a book in the '60s called "unsafe at any speed" and almost single handedly destroyed the american small car movement. i think he is just an environmental opportunist and he weakens the green movement with his exaggerations. however, what he shares here is valid, i just wish for a better spokesperson.
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No, he single handedly took the Corvair off the road because it was blowing up in car accidents. It was not targeted at small cars, it was targeted at unsafe, poorly engineered cars. Did you actually read it?
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EdJoyProductions:
Like the early Pinto's They were rolling Bombs also.
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He saved lives . He cost the corporate world some profits , they had to design seat belts and all ...
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that accusation came from an article i read in motor trend. it went on to say that, detroit stopped all small car development allowing the japanese to take that market, which started the decline of the american car industry.
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Gore did not lose that election, but Nader did make it easier for Bush to steal it, so I understand how you can be pissed at him. Hell, I am too. But that one action does not discount his lifetime dedication to consumer rights and safety issues.
Blaming Nader for Detroit dropping the small car movement was convenient but simply not true. It was the beginning of the end for American car companies at that time because of corporate reluctance to embrace new ideas or to take responsibility for substandard products. Japan had an innovative business model and was able to produce quality vehicles at reasonable prices and took the unstable price of fuel into consideration while the US was still in cahoots with big oil.
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agreed, i went over the top about the auto issue, but during gore-bush, the newspapers and t.v, were calling nader "the spoiler" for not pulling out of the race and endorsing gore. nader's 3% would have vouchsafed gore's presidency. i was so invested in that election, i felt that gore was our last chance to save the environment. i am more than angry about the outcome of that election and i blame,,,,well everybody. it feels good to vent, thanks for calling me to account.
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Venting is good. ;) I understand the feeling but Nader had as much right as anyone else to run in 2000. (I say that with teeth clenched but reluctant sincerity)
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Great comment. I only take issue with one point, that being that No one could have foreseen that, about the severity of the Tsunami. In fact scientists have warned for over 40 years about these exact dangers. In the coastal community where I reside, the tsunami that struck 300 years ago sent a wave over a hundred and fifty feet up the hillside that is now covered with houses. The record of that quake is only recorded in Japanese writings from the period because of the wave that struck Japan after and that North America did not have a written language at that time. Stories were passed down in oral history among the natives of North America.
These dangers have been willfully swept aside in the pursuit of electrical dependence. I believe the way forward will localize energy production. There is a ton of untapped kinetic energy waiting. Humans need to start respecting Earths ever changing surface if they truly hope to protect their children.
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WE should get rid of them in the states , because they are a wonderful target for terrorists as the waste serves that end only , to do harm . Solar and wind could be a target yet the difference is massive . It is all about centralized power and profit . Wind and solar could be everywhere for every one . Difficult to price gouge because the producers would also be the consumers . NOT the BIG GREEDY POWER COMPANIES . POWER TO THE PEOPLE !
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ArchDruid:
“In the U.S., we are worse off, said David Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer for the Union of Concerned Scientists who is a former safety instructor for the NRC. ‘‘Our spent-fuel pools are more full than in Japan.’’
U.S. nuclear plants had an estimated 63,000 metric tons (138.9 million pounds) of spent fuel stored on site as of January 2010, according to a report from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. About 2,000 metric tons a year is expected to be added to that total, the NRC said.
***The Google Image description for the linked image is:
"Think of it as an above ground Olympic sized swimming pool."
Yeah, one that is brimming with highly irradiated spent fuel.
Practically overflowing. Virtually no containment. Needing constant attention and cooling.
This is what we are leaving to our children.
All to boil water?
"Nuclear power is like cutting butter with a chainsaw."--- Amory Lovins.
I heard this while I was protesting nuclear power at Seabrook in New Hampshire with my family and it's stuck with me. Pete Seeger was there, it was great, we thought we would be heard. You know what they did after our protests? They went ahead and built the Seabrook Nuclear Power Station anyway.
http://www.powerreactorrp.com/images/nuke%20fuel%20pool.jpg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-18/atomic-fuel-stored-at-u-s-plants-poses-risks-similar-to-japan-facilities.html - 1 year ago
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NO ONE could have foreseen a 30 ft tsunami? NO ONE??? I'm sorry, but this is the country that invented the word tsunami. They could have had a 50 ft tsunami if the quake was any bigger. I don't believe there is any way to completely "natural disaster proof" a nuclear plant.
Also, Japan was specifically refusing help from the IAEA, the NRC, and all other outside agencies regarding nuclear power in an attempt to A) fix it themselves and B) try to minimize panic amongst their own citizens. Japan does need to rethink these nuclear power plants, but not by using natural gas.
The process by which we get natural gas is called "fracking." Fracking involves breaking open the earth and pumping huge amounts of mercury and other chemicals into it. If you haven't seen it, watch the documentary "Gasland." It really shows the dangers of natural gas drilling. I can't remember if it's Alabama or Arkansas (I believe it's the latter), but one of the two has suffered over 700 earthquakes since October 2010 alone. This is an area where there are no major faults, and even though they are small earthquakes, fracking is obviously changing the way the earth works. I don't believe they made this connection in the documentary, it's a fact I heard some 2 weeks or so after seeing the documentary for the first time.
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