Scientists doubt claims methane gone after BP spill

You got that right. I live in the Canadian Arctic and I am very concerned about what is happening up here. The Government of the Northwest Territories is doing a study on looking for alternate energy, but lack any real power with the federal govenment to do anything.

The Harper government could care less about controlling emissions, but at the same time they are fighting to keep the sovereignity of the Northwest Passage as the polar ice cap is melting faster than was predicted.

A lot of people don't realize that with the jet stream, the pollution from around the world either ends up at the North Pole or the South Pole. The deniers will not recognize global climate change until the East coast and West coast of North America start disappearing under the rise of the ocean, by then it will be too late. So we really are SCREWED.

The problem is we confuse local weather with global climate.
Last winter the temperate regions of North America, Europe and Asia experienced unusually cold weather and people believed it was proof that global warming is not real. Yet the fact that a high pressure system that moved up the Pacific and lingered over the Arctic in January and February pushed the cold air south, producing the warmest January ever recorded in the Arctic.
One would think that all of these escallating floods and droughts and tornadoes and fires, which climatologists have warned us about for 30 years now, would sink in.
What will it take for us to take serious action to address this greatest threat our species has ever encountered?
It might happen this year I HOPE!

I don't know, I'm at my wits end. We actually had the warmest winter on record in 2010/11 (not just January or February). When the Canadian Arctic is the hot spot in Canada during the winter that is saying something. They actually had a thaw in January in Iqaluit, the Capital of Nunavat, which had been unheard of before this year. The Inuit are really concerned as they are loosing their hunting grounds because of the melting of the polar ice.

Everything has become upside down these last five years or so. Warmer and warmer winters, lots of snow that evaporates before the ground thaws. So it doesn't soak into the ground. We are so dry now and our bush (what we call a forest up here, because our trees are so small and thin) has become a tinderbox. We haven't gotten any rain this May which is usually when we have the most rain.

Our government has refused to send any of our firefighters to Alberta to help with their fires because they are very concern that we will have a big fire season up here this year and they don't want to wear them out before ours starts. These fires will release more emissions into the air. So it's becoming a viscous cycle.

O that is SO heartwrenching!
The most beautiful places that haven't contributed to global warming are being hit the hardest.
Meanwhile the countries causing this disaster can afford to rebuild or move, and argue endlessly about it, doing next to nothing to fix this horrible problem.
This depresses the hell out of me.
I lived in northern California back in the 1980s when hundreds of millions of acres of forests went up in smoke due to global warming. That was the beginning of megafires ever since. And also the megadroughts and megafloods and megastorms and mega wierd weather worldwide.
The "Tipping Point" will arrive when pampered people finally wake up after their gas, electric and water run out and their homes are either floating away or burning.
Personally i just want to live in a tipi in a forest by a waterfall and plant trees for the rest of my life.

So you're saying a giant BUBBLE of warm air floated up above and scooted up to the Arctic where it cooled fast, dropped and squashed the colder air (that was supposed to be there) down into inhabited areas?

Giving the inhabitants the illusion Global Warming was over? That's quite amazing!

So then the colder air being shoved DOWN SOUTH is what's combining with the appoaching summer heat to make very many more and worser tornadoes?

And this is just the FIRST TIME, which we would expect to be weaker, followed by successive years getting stronger! Yep, that's amazing alright. So everybody's being fooled into thinking what's Bad is really Good.

I seriously doubt the Deepwater Horizon methane was so easily dispatched, because in the ocean depths the heavy water pressure pressed the methane molecules into a much tighter package. It's an interesting thought. But since these gases are invisible to our eyes PLUS they rapidly float skyward ~out of sight, out of mind~ the tendency is for people to take no note.

The public probably figures Hey, one group says there's a problem vs the other group says no problem so the REAL ANSWER is probably in the middle somewhere. And since the politicians aren't scientists they're suffering the public's conclusions and nothing much gets done.

Everything's Copacetic!!!

Therefore the extra light Methane is causing a greatly increased LIFT pulling & tugging the heated equatorial air harder and faster up into the Upper atmosphere. The Methane is giving an exponential Force into this awesome bad Weather Looping process.

Yep, Yep, Yep. Mankind is in Big Trouble now, big, big, deep trouble, because since this is a New Cycle it means the planet has decided on it being the solution to Pollution. This development has been a long time in the making, it will be here for probably a minimum of one decade, would be my opinion.

May as well say we're seeing the beginning of a 20 Year War.

Planet Earth versus the Human Race. I wonder who wins.

The islands get consumed first, then Australia and Great Britain get rolled in an alley. New Zealand and Iceland, Iceland's volcano obviously enjoying warmer weather. Looks like a good time to over-populate Africa with new climate refugees. They can take our pollution-causing ways & industries into the southern hemisphere.

Speaking of industries, since so much of the United States manufacturing base left for greener pastures overseas it has greatly reduced the heat they formerly produced HERE => which was probably saving us from the Cold pushing south causing this new loop. SO, it's just as we suspected then. Just at the time the U.S. is switching to green (low heat producing) new industries is DOVETAILING with the planet's new method of erasing us. Switching to low heat producing electric cars AT THE WRONG TIME can be the death of us.

This is the way it goes down folks. We reacted so slowly to the changes leading us into this mess that the changes are set to add into the next change. The planet, slow as it is, is outrunning us so fast our slow reaction time is going to add to the next phase OF OUR OWN DESTRUCTION.

Although hmm, we could skip over all that 20 years of PAIN by immediately shutting everything down for the entire month of June or July, or shut everything down to 1/2 work weeks for June AND July. August and September also if at all possible. INCLUDING CHINA.

Doing that could leapfrog us over this side of the process over to the other side, as if we had already gone through the planet's correction process. We could outrun the planet.

Highly unlikely to get done though seeing as how right now we're desperately trying to pull out of the World Recession we still suffer from (needing more jobs and bigger paychecks not less).

OK, so there's the solution we'll never do. Enjoy the pain!

Get ready for a worlwide bloodletting.

Howsomever, if we could every country take such a leap ahead of the planet's destroying of us when we did fire up industries in another four months we would have to do a tremendous TRANSITION immediately to follow through the correct move. This planet plays LONG BALL and it would see through our temporary, 4-month patch.

Earth would not be fooled. It would skip past our dinky little scam and grab the next gear as if we had not done a thing.

So at the end of the four month "hiatus" we would have to swing into full Green Power sources, and I would strongly suggest my pollution free engines that produce NO EXCESS HEAT => so then 2012 would likely be as rough as 2011 but 2013 we would come out smelling like a rose and full speed ahead into a new normal.

A new normal that would likely be a bit colder, but these heat-spawned tornadoes, floods and hurricanes would then be tamed... 2013 could be a very, very nice year.

NOT that "my engines" are the only game in town, not at all. Many systems are being worked on right now, in many countries. I suggest my engines because they are very simple. Easy to fabricate means less Energy consumed to build them, plus faster fabrication and implementation times.

Especially so my last one based on Ezekiel 1 v 16, the simplest of all with only one moving part (excluding the cam connecting rod and cam. In a large Build it rivals Nuclear Power, a small Build for cars. Fast, Simple, no excess heat produced, no pollution or nearly so, no heating of lake water and killing of wildlife in the lakes, AND NO NUCLEAR WASTES TO DISPOSE OF, EVER.

But getting the Chinese to play ball would never work so just consider my suggestions and plan a pipe dream, roll over and go back ta sleep.

2013 will be the Year of Hell on Earth.

Denial and dollars. Our undoing. I agree, this is worse than we think. Methane from permafrost combined with methane spewing from the Gulf and our continued use of the atmosphere as a sewer is in my view ramping up what we are now seeing in the atmosphere. I am also wondering about the evaporation rate of the excess waters in the Mississippi that are now flooding out the South.

The Harper government is working with this government to pipe in dirty polluting tarsands, and even working on excluding it from any climate agreements regarding emissions. Dollars are what they worship and they all need to be voted out of office for betraying the health of their people and this planet. I'm waiting to see what the US State Dept does regarding the Keystone XL pipeline.That would be another Gulf in the making.

Yes, it is now happening at a much faster rate than we can keep up with. And just think, BP will more than likely be allowed to drill the Gulf again. Fasten your seat belt.

I tried driving a gasoline tanker truck once Jan. When you load & unload the fumes make ya high. Men working on the oil platforms are ingesting *from the air* the poison crude molecules, as we discussed earlier how incredibly vile they are before having been processed. Raw oil molecules pass through a man's wide-open sweaty skin pores.

Crossing our fingers won't help, not with them in the hot Gulf temperatures. It's likely to happen again and I'll tell you exactly why that has to be true. Look at the foods. 50 years ago men were healtheir so maybe then they could tough through some poisons.

Whole different ballgame now. When a person absorbs a crude oil molecule it stays in their body for days, because the body cannot process crude oil.

Hoping won't help. Praying questionable. Finger crossing nope. Instituting new safeguards on the platforms? Human error under the influence of powerful chemicals can negate safeguards. Seatbelts in cars doesn't stop car accidents. It usually causes more, because people thinking they are safe are even less safe.

A very interesting development from BP, shines like a green [Kryptonite] sun.

I agree and we have Harper as our leader for at least 4 years. I am really hoping that with the NDP now as the opposition they might have some impact at least in spreading the word.

I really think the tarsands have polluted our water system up here. I am concerned about the impact on our obsolete water purifying systems. Our water use to be so pure now half the time when you turn on the tap you get a strong smell of cholorine. When your dogs will not drink the water it's time to worry. In the winter they would rather go outside and eat snow and in the summer they will only drink bottled water. They will actually wrinkle their noses at the smell of our tap water and walk away.

I am so sick of the advertising for the tarsands that keep telling us of the benefits of its production. I wish people would wake up and realize what it is doing do the environment, but all they see is the dollar signs.

I drank a bunch of coffee at a truckstop once. I could sort of tell it had some diesel in it but at the time I didn't realize how bad my thyroid problem really was, that I didn't heal very fast. It like to blew out my stomach, took me about 6 weeks to recover. Screwed up my head pretty good.

I think I have a good grasp on Crude Oil's benefits to Humankind.

Healthy people don't fathom the intricacies of combustion engine glory.

We can stop using combustion engines any ol' time we choose and want.

I know, but the big oil people will not let that happen. They buy all the politicians to make sure that they can continue to make money and screw the environment. We will never change until we can convince the deniers that global climate change is real and it will have a real effect on the world and that this is more important than money. You can make all the money you want but if mother nature decides she's not going to put up with the abuse on the environment anymore there will be nothing left to spend your money on and it is coming sooner then they think.

My first car engine in 2003 injected supercold liquid air into a pre-filled cylinder of steam. Each one acts as a catalyst to the other. I released it naively thinking a bunch of high school boys would see it and latch onto it as free weekend driving to the movies and so on.

Obviously they no longer existed. That was 1950-1960 boys. But man if they had! You take a tornado, it might have a temperature differnce causing it to roar along maybe 40-50 degrees, my engine had a temperature difference of 640 degrees.

HAHAHAHA But, I didn't have the design worked out just the various complementary looping cycles, of the water and the air. But in early 2008 I suddenly came to realize it would best be built as an ARTIFICIAL HEART, A MECHANICAL HEART PUSHING FLUID INTO VANES.

It could drive the wheels directly, or it could spin a heavy-duty electric generator and have an electric car... without having to stop for fuel. The H2O and the air both loop around changing states.

So, all we need is a bunch of today's highschool students to build us a Time Transport machine and whip us some Jeff Conways from the 1950's and we're In Like Flint (James Coburn movie). But much as I like that one my last one of a few weeks ago is much better. A few welders could whip one up in less than a day from scratch.

The Japanese could use it to power some replacement Power Plants because it will rival Nuclear Power. As one would expect from an engine design written in the Bible 2600 years ago. Perhaps when a Pyramid Scheme Crusher comes along we can have such AWE-INSPIRING ENGINES THAT MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD INSIDE instead of feeling like BP oil execs.

-------"....methane is some 30% more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide....."-----

Methane has 17X the heat capture and retention capacity that CO2 does.

This reminds me of a Jeff Buckley song, "The Sky Is A Landfill."
Where do people think the billions of tons of carbon exhaust goes every day?
Out the ozone holes???

That depends on the time span of methane in the atmosphere.
Early on the greenhouse effect of methane is higher and then it breaks down into CO2.
I don't think scientists fully understand the role of methane yet because I read its effect is between 20 to 70 times worse than CO2 in articles and books.
All i know is that we should be harvesting this natural gas!

The earth's atmosphere needs a certain amount of flamability from methane & natural gas... to help incinerate incoming space rocks and SkyLabs, and Space Shuttle wings that can really HURT.

Would you leave us defenseless against our own falling landfill junk?

... The reason why objects falling to Earth tend to burn up has little, if not nothing, to do with Methane and natural gas. The velocity of objects as they fall into the atmosphere causes a great deal of friction with the atmosphere, and therefore a great deal of heat. Though falling do react with the gasses of our atmosphere when their temperatures increase, the falling objects react more with the free floating oxygen in the atmosphere. Often, the material melts and vaporizes under the heat caused by the friction with our atmosphere, even if it does not react chemically with the elements that make up our atmosphere.

The Tunguska meteor of 1908 was the superhot "spark" that ignited the early morning swamp gas, but you're right too. Apologies for over simplifying, thanks for correcting.

No problem, though I would like to point out that the idea that the Tunguska meteor ignited natural gas and caused the consequential explosion is a theoretical explanation for the event.

I didn't know it had risen to the level of a theory. It was my idea. My ideas don't get accepted very much. If it has achieved theory status then that's quite a milestone for my ideas.

Check out the Tunguska meteor on Wikipedia and search for the words "natural gas" on the page.

Why would I need to do all that? I'm quite satisfied our discussion had reached a mutual agreement.

I use my time to pursue important objectives, such as telling the nation of Israel how to achieve Peace with all their surrounding neighbors => http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showpost.php?p=4384945&postcount=2173 not letting someone like you tie me up in Make Work research Projects for stuff we already settled.

Our poor Gulf and all the little sea creatures and people around there its so horrible and devastating pisses me off extremely Damn oil co's and politics damn them all I lived in Florida many years and its a disgrace whats happening and all these coverups we have been lied to too many times to count..arghhhhh!