Fukishima "Melt-Throughs" Could Render Japan "Unlivable"

Melting through is worse than melting down, Do you really think this is no big deal for the citizens or are you just shilling?

I agree that Fukishima is horrible. I live very near Three Mile Island and it brings back terrible fears. But I have taken the time to extensively research both sides of nuclear energy and what I see is endless misinformation and ignorance of radiation and nuclear energy.
For instance, did you know that coal ash from power plants contains more radioactivity spewed into the air than radioactive waste from nuclear reactors? (Scientific American 2011)
Many leading scientists and environmentalists such as James Lovelock and Jim Hansen argue that atmospheric carbon is a far bigger threat to all life on Earth than is radioactive waste.
We must be careful not to be like the global warming deniers and believe in lies.

Before I decide that I have to step out of reading this stuff .It's very stressfull . I under stand the idea that you have to keep paying attention to stop future issue.In reality wether I stress out or not I can't do anything about it.Here's what I want to know was bomb testing and,actual bombings . a thousand times worse than this.because if I understood what I just read a few minutes ago molten core of building 1 is believed to be on the ground . it's mid week,I am tired and I may have misunderstood.

yes...actually it is in the basement.

everything I read right up until arch druids post 8hrs ago said that was contaminated water .I suppose I 'll drink another cup of coffee and start rereading

I feel dirty

We all agree and are interested in the truth. Understand there is no point in fighting between like minds. If you truelly care for the well being of people and Earth why do you argue with others that care too?

You mean like a million???

You are being really stupid, but I guess that is why I picked a fight with you in the first place.

And here is another....THANK YOU!!!!

I simply believe that ArchDruid is posting a lot and is inadvertently "dominating the discussion," solely because it hits him hard, and it heavily interests him. That's where true journalism and reporting comes from--when people are passionate about something. Personally, I'm glad somebody is paying attention.

She just needed to let off some steam and there you were. Thanks again.

Just asking questions nobody will answer. I'd say in this instance the advice of calming down is beyond condescending. Would you calm down if it were your life at stake?

that's because you are

a guess

100% Irrelevant!!!

It is not about you ArchDruid.

(or your narrative)

You made it about him by questioning his identity and intent. It is understandable to be angry about this but direct your ire in a beneficial way or lose it. We who care about people and planet are on the same side.

Thank you for your effort and concern. Good Luck Sir

I dunno, maybe he will shape up, but "direct your ire or lose it" and all the rest, you may be kidding yourself I dunno.

I will question whoever the fuck I want to!!!!

And they (and you) can react as they (and you) please.

However much you and he may want it to be it is not really about his yours or my identity (but I plussed all my comments and minused all yours because I think you two are being really stupid).

I am honestly concerned with what is actually happening for real believe it or not.

I am not going to read you last post. You just made it right?? Just Now???

At last???

Maybe later but I doubt it. I have had enough of you for today.

I think you had your chance to redeem yourself and failed already.

Why don't you listen to my posts???

I think you should write poetry about the horrible disaster.

I am TELLING you that you should do this (against my better judgement)

It is for your own good.

I will still demand the FREEDOM to question the...whatever of my imaginary version of your special earthquake poetry and write remarks which may make you incensed.

Score one for ArchDruid!!!!

You:
Because during the first 10 days, 750,000 terabecquerels of radiation were released and now there have been total melt downs I don't think we'll see that kind of level again.

I believe all the bad stuff happened in the first ten days, although it could change if there was another earthquake and or tsunami, or something happened to the spent fuel storage pools.

9 hours ago flag reply -1 EmileZ

ME:
Just because you belive all the "bad stuff" happened in the first ten days, doesn't mean there won't be a whole heckuvallot of "bad stuff" to come including a whole lot of sickness and death.

Is there no such thing as radiation exposure after ten days time???

"and now there have been total meltdowns" wasn't that a while ago, but only recently acknowledged???

Do you have any concern whatsoever for anything other than reassuring everyone that all is well in Japan???

Do you think if you say "750,00 terabecquerels" it means you have any sort of scientific credibility???

Why are you so eager???

Are you a real person???

That was the exchange (it is there below) I stand by everything I said
Are you even in Japan???

Amen...time to hold ourselves accountable as well though. We may have been led here, but we are still allowing it to be.

If a gay Syrian can be a 40 year old man in England I guess we can not be certain who is who. I am a 40 year old man in SW FL with 4 kids trying to find some truth about what is going on and how to be prepared for the reality of our situation. Is it time to find a cave again?
ArchDruid has offered numerous links to many angles of the truth on this catastrophe. Perhaps his reticence relevant to the severity of Fukishima is due more to a desire for hope rather than fear for everything Japanese. There is a careful, considering progression from ArchDruid that is not overreactionary but offers genuine thoughts on how to address this screwed up mess. I don't know for sure, but I feel you are incorrect.

After saying that, I do think that, much like a well in the Gulf leaking day after day, the irradiation of Japan continues to build up as long as containment is still lost. With each passing minute the levels of radiation must be further saturating the Earth. The worst could not have passed...even if it was contained...we are going to have to live with the radiation for a very long time

"Perhaps his reticence relevant to the severity of Fukishima is due more to a desire for hope rather than fear for everything Japanese".

You sound like a really nice guy, but if there is any meaning to that sentence, it seems to me like it is related more to psychoanalysis than to what is going on with the Japanese nuclear reactors.

I don't know what I would do if I was in Japan right now. Do you? It would be hard to give upon everything around you.

I would want to know the truth.

Is that so unreasonable???

"But there is no more danger today than during the first ten days when all the damaged happened."

That is either deliberately misleading or outright baloney depending on how you are interpreting it.

You have continued to make such statements for quite some time now (mixed in with your heartfelt and unimpeachable expressions of sympathy for the victims of the quake often framed as urgent updates).

And what is all this "hope above truth" stuff I hear from your loyal defenders???

(or maybe I should say "hope over biological reality")

David, everyone has their own go-to sources for information. For me, it's the LATimes first.

As much as I respect your first-hand experience and apparent science background, if you held an opinion or said something different than what the LATimes reported, I would believe the LATimes first, but would compare both opinions/articles looking for where the contradictions were and then checking those out with other sources.

Just sayin'...you know I love you, darlin'...

BRYAN's comments are emotionally driven, and he may have some special insight or something (which You know is not really apparent). Ok I can accept that blah blah blah.

Nice try anyhow.

David

edgar casey

Edgar Cayce, actually

Yep...it was still an early morning fog..sorry.

thanks for the spelling fix guys , did you go check out his predictions?

No need to apologize. I have fog regularly and understand. Just wanted to help any other foggy folks in case they wanted to google the gentleman ;^)

Sorta familiar with some of them. His map of the future US has been in my mind as we see so much flooding on the Mississippi and I watch as torrents from Montana head down that way.

thanx

Thank you...I did miss it and was hoping for your input.

"but there is no more danger than..."

Perhaps... perhaps not. How can you be so sure?

Over time, the leaks and exposure spread and over time it gets absorbed by more and more life forms in increasing quantities.

Take care man. Take a few deep breaths.

Just because you belive all the "bad stuff" happened in the first ten days, doesn't mean there won't be a whole heckuvallot of "bad stuff" to come including a whole lot of sickness and death.

Is there no such thing as radiation exposure after ten days time???

"and now there have been total meltdowns" wasn't that a while ago, but only recently acknowledged???

Do you have any concern whatsoever for anything other than reassuring everyone that all is well in Japan???

Do you think if you say "750,00 terabecquerels" it means you have any sort of scientific credibility???

Why are you so eager???

Are you a real person???

Are you even in Japan???

All valid questions.

Care to respond, ArchDruid? What are your credentials?

Just inquiring. One never really knows who we communicate with on these intertube sites. A person could be a 13 year old kid copying and pasting or a smelly 50 year old living in a basement somewhere. Or, they could have enough sheepskin diplomas to wallpaper a kitchen!

Anonymity is prevalent. Cave emptor is the rule.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just an average, ordinary, north of middle age guy.

No it is much better to dwell on death and destruction that you can not change.So wether any of us like it or not this is what happened and we need to find a way to deal with it .people are going to get cancer and maybe die but since none of us know ,who ,what ,when ,or where .it is best to deal with today.In hopes of mitigating issues tomorrow. Based on other nuclear tests and accidents this one will:
render a swath of japan unlivable
depending on who you ask just noticable to very obvious spike in cancer in Japan
possible birth defects in Japan
depending on who you ask negligible up to 30% spike in cancer on the west coast
there are a few who believe the end is near (there always is)
these are the probable effects that go with the release of 750,000 terabecquerel of radiation.
on a personal note shame on you if you were in Japan you would want to look for the hope too

Can't change what has happened, true dat. But dwelling on it does have a purpose. How are we to force change if we do not 'dwell' on the catastrophes and the lies of industry which brought them to us? How will we force the issue of real, sustainable, SAFE energy technologies if we don't expose the decades of lies and wishful thinking of the older ones?

When told to stop 'dwelling' on an issue, my curiosity really peaks. What is there to find out that some wish remains hidden?

I would want to look for the truth!!!!!!!!

Especially if I had children.

Shame on YOU!!!

What are you defending???

Where is your mind at???

I said not to dwell on death and destruction but deal with the issue to end problems later

I do have children and i am defending there hope .as a parent if the whole world fell down around our feet we ,have to keep standing as long as they are alive .I wish there was no nuclear ,no radiation , and no global warming .For my children is where my fear lies. I can't give that to them but i can keep standing even in the face of something very scary

you don't need credentials to read .
every thing i have read is in sinc with what arch druid posts .

I agree that looking out for the kids is the first priority.

Very little of what I have heard is in sync with his posts. There is a lot of good stuff on Democracy Now. Actually their coverage is among the best I have found.

ArchDruids posts seem more in sync with what the Japanese government or the NRC are continually forced to admit.

I went to democracynow.org and read all they had to offer on fukushima and nothing I read contradicted anything arch druid posted .There is some extra speculation on what could happen ,but as far as what has actually happened to date the info is the same. and just for the sake of info main stream media is reporting far less amounts of radiation being released than arch druid has stated .to find those numbers I had to go digging and I i did and they are legit.

I don't think you are being entirely honest, but whatever.

It looks to me like things are pretty bad for the Japanese and for others as well.

What I have been hearing from ArchDruid is not to worry, perhaps it is just his bogus interpretation.,but there it is, day after day after day after day after day. Everything is OK it is not as bad as they say. Am I wrong????

You can say 1 or 10 or 100 but if you are interpreting the data in a misleading way you are LYING!!!!!! And people will get sick.

http://did.an

people are going to get sick .everyone knows that . I am being honest with you. What I took from arch druids post is that this bad (not the end of the world).That the concentration of sickness and possible death begins in fukushima and lessens the further you go out.
here is what is well documented for sure
25 years ago 5000 miles away from the east coast U.S chernobyl blew the entire contents of it core into the atmoshere. Allowing radioactive particles to travel easily . I am 36. I live in N.J and I was 11 years old when this happened .There was no internet to post fall out numbers on. we knew they found radiation in milk on the east coast (that was in the news)
I know even less about nuclear bomb tests.I know there was several test done on open land in the 50's, and 60's.I also know testing continued up to and through the 90s
I am still here cancer free,along with most people I know
with numbers we have now fukushima has put out about 60% of what chernobyl did and most of that was not blown into the atmosphere .I know there was some explosions that is why I said most .it is about 6000 miles from the west coast U.S

it is my opinion when I say that I believe fukushima seems worse because if it released all of the radiation it had the capacity to release it would out strip any accident we have had to date(a collapse of building or pool ,an explosion dropping or blowing radioactive material in the open ) .I also believe that there is fear that we would be lied to if that happened . I don't believe it has because almost all non government readings still coincide with government ones.Trust me I am digging. I reitterate that this last paragragh is only what I believe the rest is pretty well gone over material

I prefer to know what a person is posting is legitimate information based on knowledge obtained by study and experience.

What's wrong with that?

Ggggggs, Louise. Just because it's read on the intertubes doesn't mean it's the gospel.

I am aware and that's good

keep posting .