UPDATE: House Vote Rejects Repeal of Light Bulb Efficiency Standards

If they are cheaper and more efficient, the free market will demand them. If you build a better mousetrap, people will buy your product. It is called capitalism. No government mandate is required. But what am I saying, there are no capitalists on Current!

I agree, sort of, with your first sentence. But they have to improve and manufacture them first, which they will never do unless forced to. I mean lets face it, it's a lot easier and cheaper to maintain the status quo, not change anything, and rake in the profits. But there are times when the status quo must change for everyone's good. The auto industry fought seat belts because it would be cheaper not to place them in cars. So the government had to step in and force them to design cars with them.

Capitalism, like any economic system, always works on paper, However in real life, it fails horribly in a number of ways as do all economic theories. Not because it's not a good idea but because people can be lazy, greedy and corrupt.

People can be lazy, greedy, and corrupt. Just look a Washington is you don't believe that. But I believe in the inherent good in people and there is more of that. You don't have to force people to recycle, just explain it to them and they will do it. My parents do it, people everywhere do it. The government fought for seat belts because the people understood and wanted them, so the car companies would have had to put them in anyway, because the people wanted them. You don't give the people nearly enough credit I think. But then again, they voted for Bush twice and Obama once, so you may have a point.

Hey oil shill who keeps voting me down... stop being a coward and show yourself.

Break up EXXON like Stanard Oil was broken up 100 years ago. Oh, I forgot, EXXON was created by our favorite parkinsons patient, bill clinton.

The same idiot that votes down every single environmental issue. Whoever they are they certainly have a hard on for JanforGore. It pisses me off because while we're having a great conversation they down vote every single comment. I wish they would get a life. By the way I'm looking forward to the LED lightbulbs for my home. My headlights on my vehicle are LED and living in the Arctic, where for six months its mainly dark, they are fantastic. I've never had such a clear view driving in the dark before. Thanks for the heads up on them. See what happens if you force industry to improve their products?

Hi Dave, I'm doing pretty well. We are having extremely hot weather. It got to 33 degrees celcius today, yesterday it was 31 and we are expecting to have this heat wave until at least Friday. Because of the dry hot weather we have a lot of fires up here threatening different communities. How about yourself? Has your weather improved any?

My LED lights came with my vehicle - a 2008 Acadia. I think that the newer vehicles are using the LED lights because of the clarity. I've seen them advertised on TV, so you should be able to go to say NAPA or the parts department of your dealership to get them. Just make sure if you install them yourself that your line them up correctly so you don't blind someone with them because they very bright.

As far as voting on comments, it's not so much the fact that someone votes you up or down that bothers me, but that there is someone that comes on here that will vote down every single comment dealing with the environment. I don't know if they have a problem with us talking about the environment or have it in for JanforGore, since it seems to happen all the time on any article she posts. But if they have nothing to add to the conversation except to vote everyone down that is there problem not ours.

Hope you have a nice evening and a better tomorrow if I don't find you on another thread tonight.

Your right. I just look it up on the sticker that came with the vehicle. I had attached it to my bill of sale. It says they are High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps. I could have sworn that the dealer told me they were LED. But that was a couple of years ago and maybe he meant they were like LED. They certainly have a longer, clearer range than regular headlights. I love them because my night vision isn't as good as it used to be.

I know what you mean. I used to have to pull over and clean the headlight lenses on my old van because they were so cloudy that the least amount of dirt made them dim. I see now you can get len polish than can clear up the cloudyness. I wish they had that a couple of years ago.

All my emergency lights and the flashlights that I use in my house are LED now. What a difference to candles or lanterns. I am looking forward to LED lightbulbs. I just hope that they are easier to dispose of when they do quit working.

Thanks Dave, you've been a fount of information tonight.

Well, I feel compelled to write the senators just to encourage them to stick to their convictions. They seem too easily swayed by too much today.

Right, what happened to my leaded gasoline and my leaded paint? Gov. shouldn't take away my right to kill the world...is that the American way?

Let's see, not changing light bulb types will kill the world. Sorry, that's a leap I can't make and I doubt if you can substantiate. We had some but the quantity and quality of light makes them a non starter not to mention the problems they cause if they break or you need to trash them. I have no problem with using more energy efficient bulbs, I will put my home and it's construction against anyones, but the ones that were being forced on us by the gov. is not a solution.

Read your second sentence five times. What are you trying to say?
If you think the government is so all fired concerned about our safety and better health you may want to look at the FDA and the Dept of Agriculture.

It figures that chimpy would pass a bill that forces us to use mercury laden lightbulbs.
I will bet that the republiCONs blame this on obama also.

I'm trying to say that corporations have bought off politicians that lie to the American people about why we need to deregulate the businesses. I'm trying to say that tragedy after tragedy, corporations continue to avoid responsibility. I'm trying to say you need to come up with a better idea than allowing corporations to run wild and unregulated. I am saying that the people you trust as a source of information are telling you what you think you want to hear in order to persuade you to defend the people sponsoring their operations. Got it?

you go ahead waste your money i changed every bulb in my house years ago to save money not because of some bill passed by the goverment and by the way climate change is real just because idiot republicans deny it. lies are lies and the truth is truth

the repugs are trying to privatize those departments into Conagra

you are so right this fight has been going on since the Molly Browns in England rebelled
in the 1700's

Yeah, more efficient bulbs = energy cost savings. Americans HATE saving money.

Hey don't forget chlorofluorocarbons and DDT! Screw the eagles let us live under a hole in the ozone if we want to!!

The government isn't FORCING anything on you. You can still buy and use Chinese manufactured incandescent bulbs to your hearts content. The bill requires manufacturers of incandescent bulbs to make them more efficient which saves energy and money.

Na dude you have it all wrong. Who do you think pays all the taxes besides us independents with two jobs.

Two thumbs up

Did you grow your own?
it might have cellulose and animal products as filler such as worm meal and Rat clippings that fell in. if you pray to the right god it might become real T bone

what the Repug wanted yesterday and the dems like it now they must repeal

Lonesome Beck states the bad climate is judgement from God because the world is coming to an end and the tea party is goP answer for salvation..