NASA - Detailed Picture of Ice Loss Following Collapse of Antarctic Ice Shelves
source: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/larsen-collapse.html
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Proof from NASA of Climate change-
An international team of researchers has combined data from multiple sources to provide the clearest account yet of how much glacial ice surges into the sea following the collapse of Antarctic ice shelves.
The work by researchers at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC), the Laboratoire d'Etudes en Géophysique et Océanographie Spatiales, Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique at the University of Toulouse, France, and the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center, Boulder, Colo., details recent ice losses while promising to sharpen future predictions of further ice loss and sea level rise likely to result from ongoing changes along the Antarctic Peninsula.
disintegration of Larsen B ice shelf The Larsen B ice shelf began disintegrating around Jan. 31, 2002. Its eventual collapse into the Weddell Sea remains the largest in a series of Larsen ice shelf losses in recent decades, and a team of international scientists has now documented the continued glacier ice loss in the years following the dramatic event. NASA’s MODerate Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) captured this image on Feb. 17, 2002. (Credit: MODIS, NASA's Earth Observatory)
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"Not only do you get an initial loss of glacial ice when adjacent ice shelves collapse, but you get continued ice losses for many years -- even decades -- to come," says Christopher Shuman, a researcher at UMBC's Joint Center for Earth Systems Technology (JCET) at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Shuman is lead author of the study published online July 25 in the Journal of Glaciology. "This further demonstrates how important ice shelves are to Antarctic glaciers."
An ice shelf is a thick floating tongue of ice, fed by a tributary glacier, extending into the sea off a land mass. Previous research showed that the recent collapse of several ice shelves in Antarctica led to acceleration of the glaciers that feed into them. Combining satellite data from NASA and the French space agency CNES, along with measurements collected during aircraft missions similar to ongoing NASA IceBridge flights, Shuman, Etienne Berthier, of the University of Toulouse, and Ted Scambos, of the University of Colorado, produced detailed ice loss maps from 2001 to 2009 for the main tributary glaciers of the Larsen A and B ice shelves, which collapsed in 1995 and 2002, respectively.
'flyover' view of the Larsen Ice Shelf The Landsat Image Mosaic of Antarctica (LIMA) provides this “flyover” view of the Larsen Ice Shelf’s long reach out into the Weddell Sea. (Credit: LIMA)
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"The approach we took drew on the strengths of each data source to produce the most complete picture yet of how these glaciers are changing," Berthier said, noting that the study relied on easy access to remote sensing information provided by NASA and CNES. The team used data from NASA sources including the MODerate Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) instruments and the Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat).
The analysis reveals rapid elevation decreases of more than 500 feet for some glaciers, and it puts the total ice loss from 2001 to 2006 squarely between the widely varying and less certain estimates produced using an approach that relies on assumptions about a glacier's mass budget.
The authors' analysis shows ice loss in the study area of at least 11.2 gigatons (11.2 billion tons) per year from 2001 to 2006. Their ongoing work shows ice loss from 2006 to 2010 was almost as large, averaging 10.2 gigatons (10.2 billion tons) per year.
An animation showing ice edge changes for the Larsen B ice shelf and its adjacent tributary glaciers can be viewed at http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/goto?3803.
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EthicalVegan
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Painfully sad.
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EthicalVegan
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WNYmathGuy
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A linear relationship/regression between sea level (measured by relative 1 dimensional distance along a given radial line) and time establishes an increasing rate of incoming water from ice melt. It's geometrically sound because the linear measure that gets charted for sea level change represents a volume of water; 1 dimension represents 3 dimensions.
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WNYmathGuy
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IceKat
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The final paragraph:
"The authors' analysis shows ice loss in the study area of at least 11.2 gigatons (11.2 billion tons) per year from 2001 to 2006. Their ongoing work shows ice loss from 2006 to 2010 was almost as large, averaging 10.2 gigatons (10.2 billion tons) per year."So there wasn't as much ice loss during the period from 2006 - 2010, as there was between 2001 - 2006, i.e. ice loss slowed down. Funny how that's left out of the text above! Also note the study area is not the entire Antarctic.
And where's all that ice going? Maybe that's what's causing the accelerated sea level rises everyone here keeps going on about? Except sea level rises aren't accelerating at all, they're actually slowing down - rapidly! (see chart)
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IceKat
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Argon18
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IceKat:
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/index.cfm#seaLevel
Not according to NASA satellite data, sea level is up 3.27mm per year. The latest measurement is 54mm it was 52mm in 2010 and 45mm in 2008, 40mm in 2006 and 22mm in 2000 that shows acceleration
Another thing those pesky satellites show that would be better hidden so they don't interfere with profits
http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/en/news/ocean-indicators/mean-sea-level/
With the satellite altimetry missions, the global mean sea level (GMSL) has been calculated on a continual basis since January 1993. 'Verification' phases, during which the satellites follow each other in close succession (Topex/Poseidon--Jason-1, then Jason-1--Jason-2), help to link up these different missions by precisely determining any bias between them. Envisat, ERS-1 and ERS-2 are also used, after being adjusted on these reference missions, in order to compute Mean Sea Level at high latitudes (higher than 66°N and S), and also to improve spatial resolution by combining all these missions together.
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Argon18
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IceKat
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Argon18:
My data is from six different sources that all show sea level rise rates slowing down.
Data from tide gauges also show no acceleration.Now go back to your source and click on the link: Credit: CLS/Cnes/Legos on the chart. Then you can come back and tell me I'm seeing things when I notice a distinct downturn at the end of the chart.
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IceKat
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Argon18:
Sea level rate of increase.
Sea level rises accelerating? Not according to the data.
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IceKat
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jubal
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The reason the governments of the world don't care about global warming and have tried their best to confound everyone, is because billionaires and their trillion dollar corporations have their eye on Antarctica...the new frontier tons of new free real estate and a booming new tourist destination for the summers.
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jubal
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Argon18
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jubal:
http://climate.nasa.gov/stateOfFlux/
For corporations it's like another gold rush in the Yukon, with revenues going though the roof! I bet those companies wish that NASA didn't have such a buzz kill with all those peeping tom satellites that show what is actually going on.
"Each week the State of Flux features images of different locations on planet Earth, showing change over time periods ranging from centuries to days. Some of these effects are related to climate change, some are not. Some document the effects of urbanization, or the ravage of natural hazards such as fires and floods. All show our planet in a state of flux
Warming Island, Greenland. Left: August 11, 1985. Center: September 5, 2002. Right: September 4, 2005. On January 16, 2007, the New York Times reported that a new island had been found in Greenland. Warming Island was thought to be an ice-covered peninsula, but it was exposed as an island in 2005, when an ice bridge melted to reveal an open-water strait. More islands like this may be discovered if the Greenland ice sheet continues to disappear."
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Argon18
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letsliveinpeace
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Wow! it's a lot happening all at once.
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letsliveinpeace
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Schnookums
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I like the MP4 time lapse....
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003800/a003803/larsen.mp4
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Schnookums
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JanforGore
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I have a hypothesis to put out here and would really like some serious responses. Since September of last year New Zealand has seen over 7,000 earthquakes. Does anyone else think it possible that the ice loss in Antarctica is somehow destabilizing the sea floor and causing tremors?
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JanforGore
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Schnookums
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JanforGore:
I would guess no because they are floating, but I am no expert in such things....
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Schnookums
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Vierotchka
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JanforGore:
New Zealand is one of the most earthquake-prone countries in the world - it has since September been undergoing a normal amount of earthquakes and aftershocks.
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka
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Schnookums:
Antartic ice is for the greatest part not floating ice but covering the continent of Antartica.
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Vierotchka
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JanforGore
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Schnookums:
http://www.livescience.com/4970-antarctic-ice-glacial-earthquakes.html
Well I just found this. I'll keep researching. Thanks.
"Scientists have discovered their first icequake, if you will — a movement of a huge stream of ice in Antarctica that creates seismic waves, just like an earthquake, and can be felt hundreds of miles away.
Starting in 2001, Douglas Wiens of Washington University in St. Louis deployed seismographs around Antarctica, which detected seismic signals between that year and 2003.
"At first we didn't know where the waves were coming from, but eventually we were able to narrow down the source to the ice stream," Wiens said.
These ice-driven seismic waves had the force of a magnitude 7 earthquake, he said. That's equivalent to the strength of the 2005 Fukuoka earthquake, which killed only one, but displaced more than 3,000 people.
Glacial earthquakes
Prior to Wiens' discovery, detailed in the June 5 online issue of the journal Nature, scientists were unaware that ice streams radiated seismic waves (though they had detected them from glaciers, mainly near Greenland).
Ice streams are pieces of a bigger ice sheet that can move faster than the surrounding ice, periodically sliding over the underlying bedrock and eventually working their way to the coastline, where the ice can calve off to create icebergs.
The particular ice stream that created the seismic signals Wiens detected was 500 miles away from the seismographs that detected it. It is about 60 miles wide and half a mile thick. Each time it moves, it gives off seismic waves that are recorded at seismographs all around Antarctica, and even as far away as Australia. "
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JanforGore
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kvb1
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JanforGore:
From what I have heard over the years is that as the ice melts the crust expand outward as the pressure from the loss of weight decreases. Scientists have noted that the lowering of the water levels in the Great Lakes is causing the land to rise. Since there are no plate zones near the Great Lakes, there have been no earthquakes there. However, there are many plates that meet in the South Pacific/Indian Ocean. So your theory maybe correct.
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kvb1
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JanforGore:
just a cursory look (oops schnookums did find some) at the connection reveals that scientists for the most part don't see a correlation, but that said; there is research regarding high and low pressure weather. I always wondered how much mass oil carries, how much the removal of oil from a liquid to a gas has changed the mass/weight of the planet which would change plate shifting. I think it is actually negligable but I wonder. We definitely know that fracking causes minny earthquakes which in turn can effect larger events. It is usualy minny earthquakes that pre sage a larger one. The study of earthquakes is pretty new, we still know so little about the plate movements and can only make hypothisis about what is under our feet.
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percipi224
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Schnookums:
I love this visual regarding ice raising the water levels globaly. If you put ice in a glass and then poar water over it, the ice melts and it doesn't over flow. if you fill a glass with water, and then add ice, the ice melts and it overflows. it isn't the ice that is over or in the water already, which is the larger part of antarctica,(may be wrong about this one) it is the ice on land that falls into the ocean that will melt and raise sea levels. That is why the arctic is more of an issue as there is more ice on land that can flow into the sea and raise levels. (minus some evaporation)
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percipi224
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Vierotchka:
thouhgt it was the other way. any rate ice coming off the land is the bigger problem. so the shelve coming off wasn't a big deal as much as the land ice sitting behind it that can now flow. this story is years old what is the recent activity?
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percipi224
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percipi224
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JanforGore:
well shut my mouth! who knew!
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kvb1:
Great post!
I would only add that an earthquake of about 5.0 did occur in lake Erie during the 1990s and rocked the U.N. tower in NYC while heads of state from around the world were in session.
Also, I lived in California for 10 years and Hawaii for 2 years and the only earthquake I've ever felt was in a house on lake Erie back in 1996. - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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figgdimension
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JanforGore:
I don't think so Jan ,but I'm not sure The ring of fire is especially active this season and also there are reports of tremors from the plates rubbing together off the coast of the Dominican where the shelf drops off...I don't think fracking is helping either, fracking has caused earthquakes in the UK and New Zealand as they amp up extractions.
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figgdimension
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figgdimension
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JanforGore:
well, looks like your right then ... :)
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figgdimension
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figgdimension
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coolplanet:
Thanks Ive felt them here in Cincinnati occasionally .
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figgdimension
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JanforGore
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kvb1:
You bring up a good point. The loss of that added weight would see an expansion of crust. So this is not just about the melting due to climate change, but the residual effects upon the Earth as a whole.
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JanforGore
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Schnookums
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Vierotchka:
I see what you're saying....not Ice Shelf loss, but glacial movements and loss of land-based ice.
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Schnookums
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coolplanet
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http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/07/21/275552/alaska-climate-adaptation/
Alaska is warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet and native people have nowhere to relocate.
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coolplanet
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warman1138
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When the ice is gone the rape of the arctics begins.
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warman1138
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Argon18
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warman1138:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/183246/august-21-2007/smo...
What else are they going to use their smoking poles for? After all once Antarctica is undressed from all that ice, it's just asking for it.
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Argon18
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kvb1
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warman1138:
Well, as the equatorial part of the planet becomes uninhabitable, people will be moving to the newly developed arctic/antarctic regions. The developers will become rich just for getting there first and planting their corporate flag. Countries will engage in wars for control of the Antarctic, and that area will become a hazmat site.
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kvb1
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Incredulous
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depressing...and something tells me there's oil and natural gas beneath the surface....(pun intended).
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Incredulous
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coolplanet
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So what are we going to do about it?
As many environmentalists and scientists have noted it would require planting a trillion trees to remove our annual output of carbon dioxide. Most agree that this is the best way to sequester carbon and stabilize the climate.
They are planting billions of trees in China and Africa and it is improving local weather and soil conditions. (See National Geographic)
But I don't see this going on in the United States. We want the government to fix the problem with technology and think we are doing our part by recycling beer cans. - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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coolplanet:
I thought of an initiative called Plant America and actually sent it to the White House. Heard nothing. But then I'm just a little citizen. Forests are indeed the answer as is sustainable agriculture. It is so frustrating to know that part of the solution to slowing this down is right under our noses and we refuse to see it out of greed, ideology or just plain apathy. How much has to happen?
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coolplanet:
Planting a trillion cannabis plants would be far more effective and effective in a few months - trees take years and even decades to mature sufficiently for CO2 absorption, whereas cannabis is the vegetable kingdom's most efficient CO2 absorber.
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coolplanet:
actually we are burning alot of our forests, I am sure someone somewhere is looking at the loss of trees. In my town they seem to hate trees, no one waters in this semi alpine desert right along the Arkansas, water is cheap still. And we have several contracted tree cutters who go around trying to make all the elms, ashes and walnuts look like poplars. The trees are dying at a tremendous rate, and if you plant a tree these stupid cutters come around and lop half the branches off. I have firs over 50-60 feet tall and they don't touch them. yet I have planted at least five more smaller trees to fill in. Plus one Christmas tree. I had an old neighbor who kept telling me to cut a tree near my house; "It will fall on your house" People are terrified of the trees during tornadoes in Oklahoma. Actually that tree did fall down in a windstorm and missed the house by inches.
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percipi224
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coolplanet
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Vierotchka:
I certainly agree that cannabis is a great carbon sucker but I suspect that it releases much of the carbon back into the atmosphere once it is harvested.
Bamboo might be the vegetable kingdom's most efficient CO2 absorber because it is the fastest growing plant on Earth and it converts carbon into silica in its leaves. People object to planting bamboo saying it is non-native and invasive but of the some 2,000 species of bamboo are half are native to the Americas and most are not "invasive." Arundinaria gigantea once grew from the Ohio Valley to Florida and Texas and was completely wiped out by settlers.
I also agree that most trees take decades to mature to the point they sequester much carbon but that is not true of the Sequoia -- the fastest growing conifer which grow from USDA zones 5 to 10. I planted 50 one-foot tall saplings in the past 5 years and many are pushing over 20 feet tall. I calculate that they are each sequestering about 50 pounds of CO2 out of the air every year (based upon studies of tree growth and sequestration). Plus they are magnificent and can live for thousands of years, being insect and fire resistant. - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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squarethecircle
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Happening just as expected...where is icekat when you need a denier?
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squarethecircle
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jackshin
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this is just sadden, i see it too, in a small way from my own back window, 110 heat index, water ration for lawns every two weeks, less and less green lawn surrounded by thick patches of dead yellow grass. Dead grass, once alive, starved in their prime, and frozen untill next spring from April to the end of April.
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Johnny_Los_Angeles
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I chock this up to one of the reasons for cancelling the manned space program is to keep us all in the dark about how corporations are destroying the planet for profit.
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cmc101
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Now since NASA has retired the shuttles the re pub can privatize NASA and start searching for the most profitable stories to tell us. Maybe they are resurrecting the dead from the Nuremberg Trials
cooperation wants profits for their agenda not service for the good of the whole he who control the word control the masses - 10 months ago
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As added Irony:
Koch-Financed Climate Skeptic Found That Global Warming Is Real
April 4, 2011 — Ron ChusidIt would seem to be a risky idea to have a global warming denier conduct a study as to whether global warming is occurring, but it would be a great idea if the skeptic could be trusted to be honest in reporting the results. A team at Berkley attempted to debunk the scientific consensus on climate change but even their review of the data so far finds the same results as other scientists studying the question. The Los Angeles Times reports:
A team of UC Berkeley physicists and statisticians that set out to challenge the scientific consensus on global warming is finding that its data-crunching effort is producing results nearly identical to those underlying the prevailing view.
The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project was launched by physics professor Richard Muller, a longtime critic of government-led climate studies, to address what he called “the legitimate concerns” of skeptics who believe that global warming is exaggerated.
But Muller unexpectedly told a congressional hearing last week that the work of the three principal groups that have analyzed the temperature trends underlying climate science is “excellent…. We see a global warming trend that is very similar to that previously reported by the other groups.”
The hearing was called by GOP leaders of the House Science & Technology committee, who have expressed doubts about the integrity of climate science. It was one of several inquiries in recent weeks as the Environmental Protection Agency’s efforts to curb planet-heating emissions from industrial plants and motor vehicles have come under strenuous attack in Congress.
The study was financed by the the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation after the claims by global warming deniers that the hacked emails in the Climategate non-scandal cast doubt upon temperature data. This study is consistent with the reviews of Climategate which found there was nothing there to discredit climate change.
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/2011/04/04/koch-financed-climate-skeptic-found-that...
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Milieu
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Milieu
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Lies, All Lies!!
The Kochs and their buddies have told me so over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
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charliesommers
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This will mean nothing to the hardened deniers who would deny the noses on their faces if a righwing nut told them to.
If they believe NASA faked the moon landings they will insist that this is faked also. How sad.
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figgdimension
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Deny that Mofo's... N.A.S.A. said so... so there climate change is real
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figgdimension:
No doubt!
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