Tech | July 27, 2011 | 85 comments

Facebook's Randi Zuckerberg: Cyberbullying Stops When Anonymity Online Ends

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An article by Bianca Bosker, a contributor to Huffington Post, First Posted: 7/27/11 12:23 PM ET Updated: 7/27/11 12:53 PM ET http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/randi-zuckerberg-anonymity-online_n_910...

"Randi Zuckerberg, Facebook’s marketing director, has a fix for cyberbullying: stop people from doing anything online without their names attached.

Facebook requires all members to use their real names and email addresses when joining the social network -- a policy that has been difficult at times to enforce, as the prevalence of spam accounts or profiles assigned to people’s pets suggest.

Zuckerberg, who is Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg’s sister, argued that putting an end to anonymity online could help curb bullying and harassment on the web.

“I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away,” she said during a panel discussion on social media hosted Tuesday evening by Marie Claire magazine. “People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. … I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doors........”
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Comments from Buckeye_Bill on the article in question:

This will piss off a whole lot of trolls and those who wish to post some of the most obnoxious comments and expect to get away with it by using the subterfuge of anonymity! I dare say that this would stop many of the ad hominem attacks that infect site after site of those who hide behind a facade to keep others from knowing who they really are! Perchance this could cut down on a lot of "clones" that roam the "intertubes" or someone who has multiple screen names to use as an attack on one particular thread or article.

What is your impression of this possibility to come? Are you for or against opening yourself up to the whole, entire World Wide Web for either acclaim or ridicule? For all to see the why, what, where, when and most especially who you are!

The "lines are open"..........fire away!

Ring, ring..."And we have our first caller! So, what's your name, caller?" LOL!
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85 comments // Facebook's Randi Zuckerberg: Cyberbullying Stops When Anonymity Online Ends

  • harmonic_convergence
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      harmonic_convergence [removed]  

    • Anonymity is the cornerstone of freedom. Freedom from harassment, intimidation, threats, persecution, and the myriad other methods tyrants and mobs use to silence dissidents. Current is the perfect example. Where did all the progressives go? Flagged off the forum by right-wing trolls, protected by conservative moderators. I miss my friends. They get sick of the ignorant comments about "socks", when everyone knows fully well they can't just pop up and say "Hey, it's me!" I now have to go on HP to find half the people I know, and wait the miserable half hour for comments to post. Every time I come back here, it's worse.

      Anyone who suggests you are better off without your privacy has one goal in mind- to exploit your personal information. Period.

    • 1 month ago
  • WNYmathGuy
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      WNYmathGuy  

    • I do try to be as findable as possible without being obnoxious about it, but I think any form of forced public persona is a bad idea on many levels. I hate the trolls that post only to spread hate and rhetoric without thought, but their abuses could be culturally flushed away without taking away the ability to be anonymous where needed.

      I figure if you can find me in real life, the words I write have more weight, so I have chosen to be easily traceable. If everybody thought like I did, then the anonymous people would tend to be generally ignored.

      If information, and social network providers required a physical address that was verified by it's members but still allowed them a anonymous persona, it could serve both worlds. If a #RWNJ was posting subversive, or illegal speech such as assault, or slander, the provider could make the connection for a civil or criminal proceeding that would come to pass.

      The very anonymity that is enjoyed by Syrians on Facebook is what is freeing them from tyranny, so if we were all forced to be public, it would be a lot harder to root out corruption in government and other institutions.

      I have always thought that Internet connection providers should know some amount of traceability to their customers. Like you wouldn't be able to find the location of my PC by doing any kind of a trace-route, but if a FBI sting knew a person was downloading child porn, I would like the Internet connection provider to be able to search their recent transactions to see which home and PC was the one that did it. Anonymity till their is warrant-able reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • WNYmathGuy:

      WOW! I thought this thread had served its time and had passed on into oblivion! LOL

      But since you've posted I get to add one more comment myself. Sweet.

      Have you seen the latest story about cyber-attacks, mostly about spying rather than anonymity issues but strangley related in the same way each one goes about remaining "hidden" from the receiving end where websites have to deal with all this incoming correspondence, which is in actuality data. Ones and zeros, 8-bit, 32-bit and now blistering 64-bit transfers of data! The journey of this data has a beginning, an origin URL, and a destination, the "www" address, and they both communicate with one another through speaking the same language, html. Amazing.

      So, how does one follow this communication "trail" from point A to point B and if that can be figured out then that can be reversed to show how point B correlates to point A. Correct? Like a letter, it has a "return address" and an address for delivering the letter to its destination. Electronic "letters" have the same thing. However, if one wished to "hide" their origin with a snail-mail letter, all one needed to do was drop the letter in a big blue and red postal mailbox. But that letter would still have a zip code indicating which post office it was sent out. That's how they catch bad guys who mail letters filled with threats or other nasty things I'll not mention because the authorities watch that box and see who frequents it.

      Think of our Internet Service Providers like a Post Office that handles our "letters" that we want delivered to their respective sites. Current "knows" our URLs. They can pinpoint within an "area" where the comments we share on these threads come from. The last link to finding out who we are and our real, physical address is obtaining that from our ISP. But to do that, our ISP requires a search warrant. We do have some rights left. Our privacy being protected by our ISPs is one. But show up with that search warrant and they'll spill the beans! LOL

      And one must consider how a website will place "cookies" on computers for identification purposes. They use them to know who and how many times that cookie enters their "front door".

      Today, McAfee's cyber-cops broke a cyber-spy ring using tools to retrace data back to a server. Servers are the place of origin for this data to be sent on its way. The hackers know how to send data by bouncing their "letters" from server to server until the origin for that letter is lost. There are certain countries whose laws and business practices are different than ours, too. That makes it difficult to retrace data. Especially when they use OUR computers to do their dirty work! And most haven't a clue they're a databot being used to send out cyber attacks.

      "Alperovitch said the attacks were not new and that most victims had fixed the computer viruses that caused them. He said McAfee gained access to a server used by the intruders and collected logs dating back to 2006.

      Alperovitch said the attacks were launched by common hacking methods like "spear phishing," in which hackers gain access to networks by sending targeted emails to employees who open virus-laden attachments."
      (Source - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/cyber-spying-report-china_n_917141.html )

      So, another scenario you bring up is online porn. What makes that difficult to catch is the sickos "talk" to one another. It's as private as any other form of communication. Until one of them slips up and lets it be known what they are doing, it is against the law for our goverment to "eavesdrop" in on what we do. That would be the story-line for 1984.

      The other scenario you mention is Syria. Oh, they have the "power" of a dictatorship to get that info on those who use the internet within their country. Thank goodness Syria can't attack FaceBook or those Syrians that are against their government would have been hunted down and imprisoned already.

      Lastly, if you have commented on Keith's section here on Current, right click on your avatar, left click on "Properties" and see what others know about you. Here's my info:
      "http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/users/1149/3478/avatar92.jpg?1306450975"

      This is their "cookie" identifying me. It shows them my nearest "server location", what avatar I want to appear on my comments - since Keith's site does not provide the means to do it, you will need to have a Windows Live, Disqus or Gravatar account, and whatever other proprietary information they collect and store for their use!

      Have I been rambling again?

    • 10 months ago
  • WNYmathGuy
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    • Buckeye_Bill:

      I get eMail updates from Current, so I my be up to a week late or more if I don't keep up on eMail reading. Lately I'm on info-overload.

      I'm not catching the full connection from what you said to what I said.

      That first problem you spoke of, cyber-attacks, sounds like the classic Denial Of Service attack. Every system has limits to it's ability to process things and divide good from bad. DOS attacks rely on their ability to deliver more bad than can be processed in real-time, thus decisions about bulk discarding of things is made, and along with that bath water goes some babies. Either the victim of a DOS attack commits Alpha errors, Beta errors, or both, but never neither. Their are so many ways to do a DOS attack, and so many ways to try preventing them, that its worth a 5 credit hour graduate course on it's own. And everybody with a Computer Science undergrad degree should be able to explain why its provably impossible to prepare for the next form of a cyber-attack. Every act of protection can be thought of a written book; finite, fixed, and to deal with specific things. The next new form of an attack can be thought of as all the yet to be created books, speeches, music and new utterances that will come from now to infinity and all the ones that may have been done but will never come to pass. You can only stop what is known, and their is always room for another attack to get through.

      Onto traceability... Every Internet connected device has a unique number assigned to it. It cant work without that. When a device powers on, it calls out to it's network to find out what number it is assigned. If it's new on that network, (your cell phone is at your friends house and accesses that wireless LAN), the router at that site will assign it a sub-net number. It usually looks like 198.256.1.10 and in a sub-net only the last number matters. Your router got it's own number to start writing sub-net numbers from the ISP that you paid to connect with. Like my router is 71.186.229.123 (outsourcedmath.com) I run a web server from home with that dotted quad, but that server is off right now. A site I have on Yahoo is 216.39.57.107 but that's a Yahoo server that serves up many domains. You can get the numbers on anybody using your own operating system with the right tools or hit http://network-tools.com/ and enter some URL or dotted quad to find out more.
      The way things work is you request info from the web with your device, the router hears the request and converts your sub-net number to a global network number, and forwards the request along to the server that you called. It bounces off an undetermined set of network servers (like a game of hot-potato) to get to the one with the goods you want. It then the called server hears your request and sends that bundle of data back through the web where an undetermined set of network servers play hot-potato getting the web-page bundle back to you. The ISP you pay to connect with knows where you live and the rest of the world does not. Your router gets the data and decodes the global network dotted quad, and sends the data to the exact device connected to it that made the request.
      So your router knows which machine got things, and your ISP knows which house got things, and theoretically the whole world knows what ISP got any piece of data. It's pretty much a similar thing in reverse; data creators/websites have their real world location known to the ISP that they connected with.

      Their are some hokey things that can and have been done in the past. Many have left my permanent memory. I vaguely recall that at one time, headers for the data being transferred were being written solely by the sending server, and that a modified operating system could be coerced into lying about who it was. The ISP's were just trusting the header as authentic, kind of like the mail man doesn't enforce the return address label on your outgoing mail being your address. That was old news in 2000, so I think that hole is closed. ... But if I run the eMail server on my web server at home and reprogram its operating system, I can get it to use fake and random eMail addresses as the sender. That will work for a while until the dotted quad the ISP stamps all them as gets flagged as a spam machine.

      Really any dodge to hide or mask oneself from traceability is a futile attempt in the eyes of a serious investigator. The main camouflage an evader has now is their is no requirement for an ISP to record what was requested, and where it went. It's like asking what was the water quality measurements in the Cayahoga River in the early dawn of March 24th, 1892 on the left side facing downstream right at the apex of the curve by "Big Tree." It's a shitload of data that passes through the ISP, and they are only concerned with getting to stuff to pass to the right location in a timely manner. If they have to start copying any part of the data and logging other info about the transaction, it's gonna get ugly. Terabytes galore! And since each bounce on the web could have altered data, each one would have to store things they forwarded instead of just sent and delivered data. It's just a no! They may agree to it if it was subsidized and only a 3 day rolling log of info, but that is too much to record. If they were only recording the transactions of a select group of people, it would be possible, but for everybody? No.

      And the other cyber-attack you mentioned, the virus, that is well named. Many people live real-life virus free cause of their actions, and the similar things would help on the web. Don't stick your floppy-disk into stranger's slot's, etc.

      Now I wonder if I said too much...

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • WNYmathGuy:

      LOL. Sorry for the confusion my response caused. I was mentioning how there is a correlation with regards anonymity of the internet that is taken advantage of by not only commenters to threads on sites like this one but by cyber attacks by governments against other governments that use anonymity and groups like Anonymous who uses anonymity to attack goverments or corporations for injustices perceived.

      The best thing a person can do is remain unknown if one is traveling the "intertubes". Data highwaymen are everywhere. Let one's name be known publicly online and open up the possibility to be cloned, data-mined for personal info to be used for other than honorable reasons or anything you "say" can be used against you by an employer, etc. End of this story.

      Now, there is one big difference between two types of ISP addresses. There is static, which may not change for years, and then there is dynamic; ISPs which do change under the policies set forth by the DHCP server. And just like the telphone company can "listen" for certain words being spoken over their wires, internet traffic, most especially emails sent and received, can be screened and "flagged" for content. Big Brother has the ability to track words. They don't have to "watch" everything that travels through the "tubes". There was a recent roundup of hackers that was accomplished by the government's ability to track their usage. Big Brother is getting better attracking hackers every day. End of this story, too.

      And yes, we probably said too much. It's better to keep the small, private-pirate meanies ignorant.

      Their purpose for existence is just to spread hate, discontent and cause mischief.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • bailey78
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
  • Perduellious_jettatura
  • bailey78
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • A little bit tired of "Hufftypo" culture downstream discharge at this point.

      ( Like,....c u r r e n t REALLY NEEDED some added "domestic violence" to liven the place up. ) Gah.

    • 10 months ago
  • remanns
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • remanns:

      It was meant to START a conversation on the subject at hand. No matter the who or where it originated, it's a legitimate reason for having a debate on the true merits of the argument.

      That was my intention.

    • 10 months ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      My comment was not directed at you sir ! I was addressing the "hit-n-run voter downers" and LONG STANDING feud factions that saw fit to drag WHOLE TRUCKLOADS of baggage from old sites to new.

      ( Why move to begin with ? )

      Addressing these issues as a topic is fully legitimate I think, and I certainly have no quarrel with it.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • remanns:

      Chalk up another "uh ho" made by me. It is difficult the decipher intent via this medium. Many of my own comments have been taken the wrong way most likely due to my satirical sarcasm with which I use as subterfuge to get my point made and has caused me innumerable insults that were unwarranted yet when I would reread my posts, sure enough, they could very well have been misconstrued by those that don't "know" me!

      I ain't PREFECT! LOL

      (More of my satire perfectly showing through!) LOL

    • 10 months ago
  • Positive_ReEnforcement
  • Misty_Gorilla
  • Positive_ReEnforcement
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      Positive_ReEnforcement  
    • Misty_Gorilla:

      Oh yes. He's a master of deception, including self-deception, also uses disgusting photo shopped images to spread his contempt and his manipulations (even of his own members).
      His post below, for example, is filled with deception and manipulation.
      Freedom of speech he wants, is it? We have collected ample proof of his months long obsessions with snuffing out certain posters. This fellow is the worst of cyber creeps; one of our associates has (off the record) diagnosed him as a manipulative sadist. He enjoys the power of bringing other people pain. And his few cult members circle around that fire.

    • 10 months ago
  • Misty_Gorilla
  • Positive_ReEnforcement
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      Positive_ReEnforcement  
    • Misty_Gorilla:

      Yet, that is just one of the facets of his delusion.
      He also considers himself some sort of vampire, (the only accurate depiction of what this fellow really is), as we were forwarded the identities of his several "socks" at Huffington Post, one of which is the vampire sock.

    • 10 months ago
  • jackhole
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      jackhole  

    • HA! we were talking about this article on my blog last night. I think the general consensus was that it is good as a tool to get the discussion rolling but Zuckerberg's suggestions, what little she gave, were unrealistic.

      That the problem needs to be addressed is important but how do you do it while still maintaining freedom of speech? I have been dealing with some immature individuals for over a year now, they attacked me on huffpo, they attacked my blog, at least two blogs were created to attack me, and have attacked me here.

      Frankly, I rather deal with them than to see freedom of speech flushed down the toilet. I just feel for weak individuals who are terrorized by a group of bullies.

    • 10 months ago
  • Vic_Romano
  • KB723
  • Vic_Romano
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      Vic_Romano  
    • KB723:

      Just click on the users who have recently received the "culling" badge. You'll find a whole shitload of phony names whose accounts are only being used to vote. That's soooo cowardly. Whoever it is seems to have a real beef with you and jackhole though.

    • 10 months ago
  • jackhole
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      jackhole  
    • Vic_Romano:

      Yet the mods don't think there's a problem, too funny. Thanks vic. In the interest of fairness this is residual crap from huffpo, I may share part in the blame for a flame war but I have done my best to end it peacefully. Since being here I have tried to contribute to current they just want to drive me out because they know I won't let them turn the place into a cesspool.

    • 10 months ago
  • KB723
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • jackhole:

      Freedom of speech and anonymity could be construed as separate subjects. If there is a fire at a theater, one doesn't have to yell out his name first before screaming FIRE! But, if an anonymous individual screams FIRE where there is none...should he not be found out and prosecuted for his "crime"?

      The same goes for stalking another person. In the flesh. Many stalkers are unknown or anonymous to their prey. But that doesn't protect them from the law. They should be found out and prosecuted for their "crime".

      Same for the internet. Just because a person is hiding behind an assumed identity does not preclude them from being considered a stalker. Especially if you have proof they are going out of their way to follow you from site to site, even to the point of creating weblogs to cause you harm by way of libelous actions, or slanderous accusations or for that matter, defamation of character, they in essence, should be arrested and prosecuted for their "crime".

      There are two avenues that can be used. Criminal and civil courts. But try finding an attorney that won't charge an arm and a leg for their services. And what with monies running low, as many states are cutting back on judges and staff, priorities become a factor.

      Sometimes the best bet is to start over. Like Horace Greeley once said, "Go West, young man".

      Only in this case it's "Go get another screen name and identity, young man".

      After all, it's not illegal yet to use an alias in place of your real name in the real world, so long as it's not for criminal purposes, that is. So, I guess it will be so in the land of Online for some time to come, too.

    • 10 months ago
  • Vic_Romano
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      Vic_Romano  
    • KB723:

      Given that it's really easy to create an account here, it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't but one, or maybe two, people doing this. At first, I thought it was just a bunch of freepers fucking with the forum, but it's pretty obvious that this is being done out of personal vendetta.

      Really gives me the creeps if you ask me. I just might take a break from this site until this shit settles down. It's bad enough that the news just keeps getting more and more negative. I really don't need any more negativity in my life.

      Of course, I have kinda grown accustomed to reading all the drama here. It's actually somewhat comedic when observed from the outside. However, I don't think that folks like you enjoy it all that much.

      Hope that helped out, and keep on keeping on. Don't let the bastards wear you down.

    • 10 months ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • jackhole:

      LOL, how can anyone with that avatar be hated? I love it.

      Anyway, I know the anonymity allows people to be more abusive dicks than they would usually be but I think it also makes people more likely to spout the things that they really believe, no matter how ugly. The PC police keep dialog stifled. I prefer that people be able to express ideas without fear. Unfortunately anonymity is the only way to go because "polite society" are a bunch of deluded liars.

    • 10 months ago
  • KB723
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      KB723  
    • Vic_Romano:

      I will be just fine Vic_Romano, and would be greatly bothered not to see you around... Remember the Link I sent you, you can always feel free to drop by there... =)

    • 10 months ago
  • jackhole
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    • EdJoyProductions:

      I don't get it either, I'm as cuddly as a kitten :-) The guys you see attacking me here are as insignificant as a pimple on a roaches' ass. I had to deal with one or two that are real Jared Loughners in the making, I wouldn't want to meet them on the street.

    • 10 months ago
  • jackhole
  • EdJoyProductions
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  • jackhole
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    • Positive_ReEnforcement:

      My comments were being deleted unfairly compared to the rest of the thread, thinking it was a CM2 ( which at the time was being given secretly to a few) I posted that the person deleting my comment was a dick...a small dick. and I was banned from commenting.

      I asked the mods why I was banned and they told me why, I told them that given the way it went down I agreed so they gave me another shot.

      I have 5 accounts which I gave up to the mods long ago.

      jackhole
      Brett Holmes
      Holliday MD
      Mike Hammer
      La Croix

      All of them made for fun Brett Holmes the only one I kept secret from the rest of the HP community as I was using it to get away from you nut rolls.

      People left HP because they were un-happy with HP.

      This is a big secret I hope you can keep it safe..........................................................................................................................
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      I'm responsible for global warming, please don't tell Dave.

    • 10 months ago
  • jackhole
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • Positive_ReEnforcement:

      Although I love this place, there is much to be ridiculed. I am also a big fan of free speech. I would not defend personal attacks, but all opinions about issues are just fine, even if they are not popular. I do not need to see screen shots, I think I can make assessments based on member's posts.

      I will reserve judgement. In the meantime, I always enjoy any drama that ensues.

    • 10 months ago
  • DaveMichaels
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Positive_ReEnforcement:

      I have no problem with jackhole.

      But your attitude towards him leads me to believe you should ask yourself why you hold so much animosity towards him and go about showing it to the world. Are you on a vendetta? What did he do to you other than disagree on a thread or site? How would this give you license to go on and on about how he is not your friend? You take this online discourse way too seriously if you feel the need to persistently attack him. Let it go.

      If I can't see eye to eye with someone, I don't go about trying to poke their eyes out because of it.

      I move on and part ways with those I cannot persuade to demonstrate civility towards me. I will not go out of my way to cause them to dislike me more.

      But that's me.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • jackhole:

      It's an impossibility that will most likely never happen to ask the two of you to kiss and make up so why don't you guys go your own ways? Leave it be.

      A song by the Beatles should be given a listen to by the both of you.

      Let It Be.

    • 10 months ago
  • Positive_ReEnforcement
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      Positive_ReEnforcement  
    • DaveMichaels:

      And this is the point of this article, if I'm not mistaken. Posters who are not committing cyber crimes (including cyber stalking) and who do not engage in nefarious activity should have no problem being known by their real name to (at least) a few of the people they have email contact with, or who post at their private blog.
      If no one, not one person, knows them by their real name, that alone is highly questionable.

    • 10 months ago
  • remanns
  • Buckeye_Bill
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  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
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    • Here's the future of the free speech on the internet if people like the Zuckerbergs, the ADL, the SPLC and Max Drucker founder of Social Intelligence Corp. get their way and internet anonymity is enforced:

      Say something that THEY don't like and they'll make sure that you never get a good job again.

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-25/that-tweet-just-doomed-your-wall-street...

      As if it weren’t difficult enough to find a job in this still-struggling economy, prospective employees have a new hurdle to overcome: the dreaded -- and highly sophisticated -- social-media background check.

      Thanks to an increasingly popular service provided by Social Intelligence Corp., a year-old company in Santa Barbara, California, an applicant’s every faux pas, every bit of perverse logic, every bit of a tongue-in-cheek comment that falls flat -- to say nothing of overt or implied prejudice and lewd personal photographs -- can now be easily scraped off Internet networking sites including Facebook, Tumblr, Twitter and LinkedIn, and compiled in an attractive dossier that can easily be used to zotz you from any potential job.

      We have heard warnings for years, of course, about how seemingly innocuous, or highly personal, utterances shared with friends on social networking websites can live on forever and potentially doom a budding professional career. And we were all recently treated to the jarring spectacle of Congressman Anthony Weiner’s well-deserved self-immolation -- in 140 characters or less.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • maasanova:

      And people REALLY believe that when they delete, erase or scrub a comment that it's gone forever to that never see again land of No More. Ha Ha. It's indelibly part of an array of servers into infinity and beyond! Some installations can withstand a nuclear assault! So even then...

    • 10 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  

    • This is bullshit. They could care less about the children.

      The reason that the Zuckerberg twits want to get rid of online anonymity is because they shill for the people who want to stop unpopular speech on the internet.

      Also, with a face like hers, I'm not so sure that a beauty magazine is the approprate platform for her propaganda.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • maasanova:

      It can be difficult to argue against their stance, because when you think about it, your daughter or son (if you have one) could be communicating with a hairless, toothless, bigger around than tall, aversion-to-cleanliness fifty year old pervert who is doing his best to set up a rendezvous with her or him!

      But, as with all things worldly, it falls upon the parent to instruct their offspring in the fine arts of living in it. Temptation is what entices many, young or old.

      We are the most gullible of all creatures on earth!

    • 10 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      You are assuming that a hairless, toothless, bigger around than tall, aversion-to-cleanliness fifty year old pervert is out there somewhere waiting to communicate online with my children, but that doesn't make it a reality, or mean that it's actually going to happen.

      Even though it is done all of the time, you cannot enforce laws or policies based on hypotheticals situations. It is not logical, and it a major problem with the world today.

    • 10 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      It is very easy to argue their stance because it is bullshit. It's just the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) collectivist nonsense all over again. We have to make laws for everyone because there are a few bad people out there.

      They don't care about children, that's just the cover story they use to end free speech.

    • 10 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      Ok, I read your other comments down below and I see that we're pretty much on the same page Buckeye_Bill, but I still don't think the Zuckerbergs care about the children when they say things like this about their user base:

      "Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

      Zuck: Just ask.

      Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

      [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

      Zuck: People just submitted it.

      Zuck: I don't know why.

      Zuck: They "trust me"

      Zuck: Dumb fucks.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • maasanova:

      As with most things in life, there are intended and unintended consequences that happen along with what one works to do. I wish I knew the 100%, never going to change answers...but I don't! And that's about the only thing that I can guarantee that's 100% true!

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • maasanova:

      Maybe I did say that. You've got to admit there is a possibility there is at least one like I described. All I ever say or said about that is you teach your younguns and I'll teach mine to not mind or listen to the man behind the curtain of deceit looking to seduce them into a conversation of any kind! Arm them with intelligence and honesty on what makes this world go 'round. Bad people are out there. It's up to them to avoid life's badness as they make their way through it. But that doesn't mean there's boogie men everywhere. Most of us are good and decent people. Like the ground. There's dog shit laying on it in places, but not everywhere. They need to learn to not step in the dog shit that's out there! Not be worried to the point they don't walk any where they wish to go because they might get some dog shit on their shoes!

      I thought I used the word "could", though. As in the realm of possibility.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • Perduellious_jettatura:

      Probably not. I wouldn't know what one looked like if I saw it in the flesh! Or is it made of wood? Rubber? Metal?

      Gawd I hope it isn't metal. Metal can be quite cold to the skin in winter.

      I know what to do! I'll take your advice to forget about it.

      Since I had to ask.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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    • Perduellious_jettatura:

      None of your words make sense. If I ignore you, will you promise to go away?

      It will make no difference what you do or promise to me as I have already decided to ignore you.

      Save your words for someone else. You will not be replied to by me again.

    • 10 months ago
  • John_Christmas
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      John_Christmas  

    • fuck this shite
      this is just another cog in the wheel of copyright law enforcement dressed up as a "we need to do this for the kid's" type movement,as george carlin said, "fuck your kids" .there is a really simple way of preventing anonymous cyber bullying. man up and understand that a piece of random text from a stranger means nothing, unless you are fat and they call you fat...in which case...stop running from the truth and hiding behind political correctness and loose some fucking weight.man, this planet is filled with such stupid bullshit!
      if someone is suicidal and is getting bullied online then they should be banned from the internet for being a liability to everyone else's good time until they get their heads together.fuck using your real name!! until they make a multiple untag button then they can fuck off!!or maybe even make it so they need to request tags. potential employers think it is their right to breach your facebopok account and decide weather or not to give you a job based on your profile, i go out and get drunk most weekends and trigger happy assholes with their cameras(i hate you dicks by the way) take pictures of me...and no. they are not satisfied until they tag you for everyone to see ,out having a good time...like a fucking normal person, business's don't like people whom glorify drunken pictures on the internet(not that i do)...they want mechanical drone people to punch in and out and meet their demands so they can keep making money at your expense, not someone with a social life...who may still have a cognitive loving soul..so because i may need to resort to the afore mentioned drone job someday...i am john christmas and thats that..

    • 10 months ago
  • remanns
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • If I used my real name I would NEVER ever ever ever ever ever ever . . . .
      be employed by a stinking scum sucking parasitic worthless capitalist sociopath organization again.

      It might not be a BAD thing,...............but I DO need food . . . .

    • 10 months ago
  • remanns
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      figgdimension  

    • I dont mind being public because i benefit from that but Anonymity is important for the web and free speech , im against any changes to the collective it is not "Theirs" to change I as an artist who's public use my name but thats me many artists can not like Graffiti artists thats why I post for them>>>>http://gotgraffiti.blogspot.com
      it allows them freedom an outlet and a copyright its been a great success and i hope to continue anonymous must remain for the sake of art and for the sake of personal freedom
      G.Figg

    • 10 months ago
  • MDBard
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      MDBard  

    • I like using my pen name rather then my real name on social sites. not for anonymity but for the feeling of saftey that some one want track down my RL data and use it against me. Of course my Facebook uses my real name. People can't find me otherwise.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • MDBard:

      Every time I get an email from Current letting me know they have just scrubbed another comment of mine, they show the URL address from where my post originated, pinpointing the location of the nearest server that handles my ISP account. It doesn't show the precise location. That is proprietary information that only my service provider possesses. Our personal info is in their hands when it comes to what they can do with this information. Sell it to another vendor or whatever pops into their proverbial mind. So it's best not to piss off anyone in the front office of our local Internet Service Provider! LOL

    • 10 months ago
  • Perduellious_jettatura
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • wynnmeg61
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      wynnmeg61  

    • I myself have not a problem with putting my name on my opinions. Only problem I have is the possibility of wingnuts showing up outside of cyberspace. I am Meg here and Meg outside of cyberworld. I would actually be more concerned about the minions of the "Captains of Industry" but they already have to capability to show up outside my door at their will whenever they choose. Big Brother is already with us.

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  

    • May I be so presumptous in answering the question in the article?

      I don't like it one bit! I didn't serve this country (USN '69-'73) for the express purpose to kill freedom of speech! Whatever anyone has to say, say it. If you want to hide your personal information, so be it! We're losing too many of our freedoms as it is, what with the Office of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act stripping away our freedoms, one at a time. I do believe that there is an evil plan to squeeze the American people into a corner financially so Big Business, with the backing of this corporate-owned government, can get us to trade away our freedoms we are supposed to hold near and dear to our hearts by offering us jobs and security that Corporations can hand out in a heartbeat any time they wish. But they first want something in return for what they will dangle in front of our collective noses.To sign over our souls to the "Company Store".

      We are witness to a monumental time in human history where privatizing of the basic elements for life will soon be owned and divied out to those who pay for the use of these fundamental necessities for existence. We ought to be getting used to the concept by now. Stadiums are named for corporations. Soon, towns and cities will bear a name purchased for the aggrandizement of companies! You will have to drive down Exxon Parkway, turn right on Coca Cola Causeway then left onto Nestles Lane to arrive at your neighborhood aptly named Home Depot Condominiums! Turn on the faucet for Gatorade water, watch a program on T.V. named "The Murdoch Movie of the Week", eat a preheated, predigested meal of Murdoch Mash, consisting of all the nutrious vitamins and minerals you'll need to get to a job the next day that has the power to tell you what to wear, when to sleep, when to bathe, how many family members you may have, providing you've got the permits to do so! Why, even the spoons and forks you use will be company-issued! Sound far out? Think Disney World, then get back to me!

      "Celebration, Florida, is a town built from the ground up to Disney's standards. Located just south of Highway 192 from Walt Disney World, Celebration is a very pleasant place to spend part of a day. It is a planned community built on a foundation of cornerstones: Community, Education, Health, Technology, and a Sense of Place. Disney used the services of top-name architects in developing the plans for Celebration, which includes a downtown, health center, school, post office, town hall, golf course, single family homes, townhouses and apartments."

      All the comforts a man, woman or child would need, excepting of course, freedom of choice. Soon we'll be able to drop the word "Human" and be left with just "Being".

    • 10 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • Perduellious_jettatura
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    • tlbuffin:

      I've just gotten this story up and hadn't finished my comment about all this to post my answer until after you came and gone leaving yours. Sorry 'bout that!

      My answer is quite simple.

      My name is Mr. Incognito Asseocarnisanguineoviscericartilaginonervomedullary, Jr.! But my nonfriends can call me Ray. For the ray of sunshine I bring to their feeble, wasted lives!

      My friends, online or otherwise call me Bill, as I hope you will.

      And I'm sticking to it, no matter how much I'm waterboarded! I'm half fish anywho. The good part.

      P.S. Yes, that is a REAL word.

    • 10 months ago
  • jackhole
  • figgdimension
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
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    • Buckeye_Bill:

      No harm i enjoy human humor, use away and no Im a professional artist my name is real (the dimension because i paint in 3-d)and live in multiple dimensions as well(wink)) and public Gregory M. Figg neo-cons w/ak's bore me but I welcome any visitor to the dark tower i may turn them out tho and they know it so they stay at bay plus im heavily armed...armor piercing a lovely invention and the place is a tower with fortifacations galore I live and work from my gallery/studio/home
      http://figgdimension.blogspot.com

    • 10 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • Incredulous
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
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    • figgdimension:

      checked out your website, pretty dark stuff. Neil Gaiman fan? I loved city Lights, whimsical, but aside from the one above, I think this is my favorite....reminds me of a Pollock version of sitting on the floor trying to untangle Christmas tree lights....umm, after a martini or two.

    • 10 months ago
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