Biorhythms comment : The debt ceiling and the environment

Of course I'm mad. OIL KILLS. I don't drive and I don't use plastic if I can help it and I support renewable energy that will keep this world cleaner and healthier. Fossil fuels need to be phased out if we are to have a habitable planet and if there is anything I can do to help that along I will. And if you want to know what is being prepared for the cutting board all you have to do is read. And if you want to see a booming market in renewables, stop trying to sabotage it for your profit. And imo demand should drive the market and the demand would be there much more than it already is if oil company executives and their denier proteges buying politicians like the Tea Party weren't spending billions LYING to people.

The almighty market is what has driven us to this tipping point!!!
Jan is absolutely correct. The only thing that can get us out of this massive economic and ecologic mess is investing in domestic solar, wind, tidal and geothermal energy ASAP.

I find it so coincidental that not even a half hour after I typed that response my computer was attacked. I wonder who is monitoring this site.

I've had numerous similar experiences and have only noticed it on posts related to climate change and related biodistress.

One tip: NEVER click a denier site!

You can't sell product there isn't demand for. You can't brainwash people into thinking they need to buy something.

I guess it's payback. If I come to this site during heavy usage hours my pc is under constant attack. It blocks most of the attacks. Sometimes I get knocked offline. There are a lot of immature adults on this site.

God i agree with you on this one!
All we need is MORE STUFF (to throw away).
But when it comes to the survival of the planet (f* humans) what we purchase really matters in the long run.

For instance: Energy-efficient light bulbs.
One would think that a bulb proven to save $40 and last 10+ times longer than a standard bulb would appeal to everyone, even though it costs a few dollars more to buy. But "conservatives" are paranoid that this is some communist plot.

What if the new energy-efficient lightbulbs were labeled: "This lightbulb will prevent one ton of carbon dioxide from going into the atmosphere."

If saving money doesn't matter, then how about saving entire ecosystems???

What do you think oil companies do? It's called brainwashing, lying, obfuscating and BUYING POLICY. NECESSITY and REALITY however, are the factors now. There is no brainwashing regarding the need to transition to cleaner sources of energy that do not exacerbate climate change. Peak Oil is also a reality that will see these same people who force Americans to continue buying their gas because they obstruct progress changing their tune. And you know what, I don't have to be "cordial" to you here. You have done nothing but insult my support of Al Gore and my stances here. Matter of fact, you blamed me for flagging you on another thread after calling me emotionally unbalanced when I didn't. You also didn't vote every post down on here but your own? Please don't think you can come here saying there are "other " immature adults" on this site and try to sugarcoat your own intentions.

The problem with the new bulbs are the mercury in them. For years the left told us to watch out for mercury. Now it's ok. Have you seen the instructions on these new bulbs if they break? It's like a hazmat routine.

* The oil companies haven't brainwashed me. I buy gas so I can get from point A to point B.

* I disagree with you. I question your points. I don't insult you (except once, I apologize).

* The next post I vote on either way will be my first other than accidently hitting a vote on one thread once.

* I don't have intentions on this site other than debate with the handful of people who can intelligently articulate their thoughts. The other 90% of posters amuse me.

Too much carbon dioxide is a hell of a lot more harmful to life on Earth than mercury.
A common thermometer contains far more mercury that a compact flourescent lightbulb.
But LED technology is really the way to go.

I don't know if it so much that they are giving up on us. I think they are simply taking advantage of the situation after tiring and weakening us. It's like a boxing match and we are the contender backed into the corner getting gut punched as they stand there smiling as they throw the punches. We have to then find that uncommon spark like the underdog does in those "Hollywood" movies who throws the winning blow in the last minute. At this point that won't be easy. It will take more than one punch and a lot of educating.

It is a difficult issue for Americans on the whole to confront because this country has become so dependent on corporations for everything even down to the water we drink. We are losing our ability to be self sufficient. And I think that was their plan. Look at the seed market and big ag market and how they are monopolized by a few large companies while small farmers are marginalised with their global reach. And companies like Monsanto explicitly go to other countries because there is literally no regulation or oversight regarding what they do. Therefore their environmental destruction has no borders and the more power and money they gain because of it the more they can control and the more policy they can buy .And this debt deal just gives them more control over the environment (now holding that "super committee" and the trigger mechansim over our heads) and that is definitely not a good thing for us.