Distractions, NWO, and Heroes

While I applaud your honesty in acknowledging certain indisputable facts, your labeling and stereotyping is still a little off...

It's not as if there is a set thought pattern of those who don't believe the truth of the "official" claims...

Why insult people? "truther" it's quite derogatory... Then just go ahead and lump "tea-bagger" to it, and you've got every dissenting view figured right?

(I don't know but other than you actually saying you don't know what makes these people "tick", you pretend to understand them so well as to categorize and fit them into your box...)

Some of us know, and it's not hidden fact no such assertion was made, but we know both parties the whole system is a corrupt crock of shit. But some would like to hang on to the dying belief that some partisan puppet is really going to save us.... And it's the one that's just continuing to maintain wars and break way too many serious campaign promises...? That's fuct up.

And so you do know, there is information out there that's not shared with the general public, takes years to come out.... The "Gulf of Tonkin" incident is one such instance where just that happened...

War is a racket, you don't have to read the book to see it.... There was allot of money to be made by a government that both instigated and let 9/11 happen (not even to say that's what happen, but I have founded suspicions).

Another interesting tid-bit.... If Paul isn't the republican president elect I won't be voting for whoever on the republican side is....

Excuse me for being a left-leaning, anarcho-communist, constitutionalist.... But The terms you've used to categorizes people like me have been way off...

Why do you hate anyone who doesn't fit your "liberal" ideals.... Did you get bashed by republicans or something?

I mean I hate the republican ideals, but personally attacking people denotes desperation in a losing argument....

Not looking for comfort, looking for truth. It is clear everything we do is done wrong and for the benefit of a few...if that's not for greed and control then why? It is also clear that we are a global community and I have no issue with globalization, but I do have issue with the fact that the decisions being made in our name are not in our best interest or our home's. We have the key to a better tomorrow in each of our heart and when we all come together we may finally be able to move forward down the right path and leave the wrong one behind as lessons learned. I do not disagree that we are all connected to each other and the Earth, but I see no future if we continue, through blindness, to be led by those that care only for themselves.

Thank you for putting this into the words I'm always searching for - beautifully put.

An interesting perspective.

I often use the same explanation, but in reverse.

I feel that people that would dismiss all theories of conspiracy or collusion within the context of a larger struggle of competing interests out of hand are the ones looking for simple explanations only, and accept the religion of unexplainable chaos as dogma.

In a world of diverse and competing interests struggling for expression, seeking out and exposing those that might be conspiring to undermine the fair chance for all to express their interests is no simple matter.

I think NWO better translates as "The Fix Is In" .

( "Global Village" has room for variety and negotiations )

Good way of explaining it.

I like that analysis when I look at people like Alex Jones--whose worldviews appear to accept these conspiracy THEORIES as TRUTH. In that respect, I tend to agree with you as far as believing in something without any proof.

However, I think there's a big difference between inquiring deeper into the motives of organizations like the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. And it's not about wanting to work together as a "global village" to solve problems and the like, but rather it's about taking a deeper look into some of the institutions that are shaping policy at the global level. Are these institutions, for instance, engaged in self dealing? Are these institutions really working to solve our problems or only serving as a falsefront for some other purpose?

Personally, I don't know the answers to these questions. But that's why I don't accept them as fact, but rather engage myself in learning more. Sadly, the sources for gaining such information aren't the most credible. Hence, a lot of the tin-foil hat type talk.

But thanks for sharing that view.

ditto -+^d

Revolution must happen, for the systems we have won't allow for "change we need". Thanks to you as well.

I don't think you can HAVE an overt "conspiracy",.....at that point I think it becomes blatant enemy action.

But,....other than that bit o' semantics,.... +^d

Right on, Vic!

There is no hiding anymore...we got transparency...now what are we going to do with it?

Your assessment is dead on

Hey some NASA scientists believes that aliens are going to destroy the earth it if we don't stop global warming.

So you tell me which conspiracy theory is more ridiculous: following the money to a cabal of crooks who are OBVIOUSLY stealing the wealth of nations or space aliens destroying the earth to save the galaxy from global warming

I think the cabal of crooks stealing the wealth of nations has crossed the line from conspiracy 'theory' to just plain, conspiracy.

My sentiments exactly.

There is no such NASA scientist dumb enough to believe that what is going on in Earth's atmosphere affects any planet but our own. What you said is rather ridiculous.

What is stated in that article is quite different than how you framed it and my response stands. There is nothing in that article about saving the galaxy from Earth's global warming, and it is hardly a conspiracy theory the way you characterized it. It is one highly speculative possibility among many plausible listed outcomes that aliens may see humanity as a civilization growing out of control.

You can not believe we can still have a positive affect by continuing to believe we can create change within these systems. They have been warped to make sure that won't happen and unless we stand up united outside of the BS meant to keep us seated we will continue to be manipulated and controlled by those without our interests and needs at heart.

Mine too

See this is a big problem with the media.

They tell us that alien conspiracy theories are acceptable, but government and criminal conspiracies (ie following the money) are not allowed to be discussed.

From the article (queue Twilight Zone theme song):

"Watching from afar, extraterrestrial beings might view changes in Earth's atmosphere as symptomatic of a civilisation growing out of control – and take drastic action to keep us from becoming a more serious threat, the researchers explain.

This highly speculative scenario is one of several described by a Nasa-affiliated scientist and colleagues at Pennsylvania State University that, while considered unlikely, they say could play out were humans and alien life to make contact at some point in the future.

Shawn Domagal-Goldman of Nasa's Planetary Science Division and his colleagues compiled a list of plausible outcomes that could unfold in the aftermath of a close encounter, to help humanity "prepare for actual contact".

What do chemtrails, HAARP, and some giant blue balls have to do with our system? Those things are just obvious distraction from real issues of corporations buying our politicians.

Nothing I say will make you go look into the answer you ask...you have to do that, and with an open mind not a closed one.

Thanks, Jan. Excellent comment. You've bought up alot of great points. This is all STC is asking people to do.....question and think and you have done just that. I do the same. I just said to STC..."Why are some people on this thread so afraid or down right ballistic when it comes to questioning 9/11 or anything else?" If we stop questioning what our government does, I believe that is one way we start losing our rights and freedoms. (We already have, BTW) Questioning your government doesn't mean you don't love your country. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." There is a great article by Chris Hedges called "10 Years After 9/11. America has become what we loathe" I tried getting the link pasted but couldn't. I'll try later or if you have time, google it.

Yes well I remember when 9.11 happened ten years ago the first question I asked was how could this government not know this was coming and try to do something to stop it? Just based on the fact that this is the US we're talking about, the fact that it happened before and the huge intelligence community we have globally, I found it absolutely unbelievable they had heard no chatter and had no inkling about anything going on. I mean, that isn't conspiracy, that's reality. And believe me, asking that question got me reemed. And that is disturbing because it is indicative to me of a society that has to an extent been brainwashed to think their government can do no wrong and is beyond reproach. And when you have a populace that thinks that, why hell, the government actually can do whatever it wants. So yes, I do believe that questioning your government is essential to keeping it healthy and also a part of activism and showing love for your country. And while I personally might not espouse to chemtrails or some other things, again, that doesn't mean we as humans do not have the capacity to go that far in seeking an agenda.

Great comment. ^'d

Absolutely , Jan. All that you mentioned IS reality and yes, we are a society that has been brainwashed. You never should've gotten reemed for asking that question. Speaking of getting reemed, whenever someone asks (me included) "why are these stupid, useless and costly wars still going on?" I get excuses or I hear about the phoney "war on terror." C'mon! There is no reason for this decade of war that has been going on since 9/11. Here's a great article on why we are STILL in Afghanistan...it underscored what I already firgured. BTW, someone posted an article here on the board about HAARP. I'm going to read it.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/the-true-nature-of-the-war-i...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/nationalism_in_the_aftermath_of_9_11_2011091...

Excellent article by Chris Hedges. I believe this is the URL you mentioned.

Yes it is. Thank you, noxidereus.

Great thoughts, thanks Jan for your words.

Yes, government should fear and serve it's people not the other way around.

I am American, my Grandparents came here from The Netherlands and were farmers in NY. The only thing left to be proud of America for is what this nation is supposed to stand for and clearly doesn't. Wave your flag all you want but blind patriotism is ignorance.

an embarrassing display of the ignorance associated with dogmatic nationalism

he is a terrible, terrible individual...guess we'll have to attack and kill 1,000,000 Iranians as well. The monstrous lies issuing forth from our government run rampant over any attempt to tell the truth regardless of the source. Stay grounded in your belief that we are going to make headway in a system twisted to disallow the beautiful intentions which founded this country.

Not delusional, just considering....without critical thinking humanity is lost...why do you think our schools teach to obey and conform?

when is america going to stop pretending it only happend to americans? thousands died of all nationalities and credes....this should have been a day of mourning for the world, but it was turned into a moment of commercialism for capitalism and the military industrical complex. may the ghosts of 9-11 haunt them

Trust "we", "us", quite a few people.... Know the truth about who OBL was...... And the lies will not stay covered forever....

and many more we will not ever hear about I am certain

I didn't... I've voted and treated people with respect. I have also come to realize there is way more going on than meets the eye and I want to know what. Not paranoid about a thing...I just have a hope to wake as many people up as possible, not for me...for us all. The truth will be in everyone's face all too soon, but I'd rather look for answers and be prepared than not and be reactionary.

Don't get me started, my friend. +^ed.

W should be in jail for the rest of his life, along with Rumsfeld and Cheney. All war criminals.

the power to take life may rest in your hands but the power to give life is much harder to come by...I don't think he is a good man either, but life is sacred and your statement is part of the attitude that must change

perfect

That is disgusting, ACSUS! Don't worry, I'll never forget. There should be a bumper sticker that says "Bush ignored warnings of the 9/11 attacks: NEVER FORGET!" Prison is where Bush SHOULD be!

Sorry, I don't believe in the death penalty, even for this despicable asshole.

That's one bumper sticker I would be proud to paste on - right next to my POW/MIA sticker - but I am afraid my car would be trashed or I could get run off the road by self-proclaimed "Real" Americans if I added the second bumper sticker!

Ditto - voted +^

Sadly, Littlewolf, that is probably what they would do. The same miscreants that proudly wear the T-shirt with Bush's pic on it that says "Miss Me Yet?"

BS I want to be able to have personal accountability for my actions as should we all, but too much is done in our name that is wrong. We are allowed no choice but to live how we are told currently. I want better and will continue to search for truth. Your facts above are bull if you look relevant to 9/11. We live in a world of lies where everything we do is done poorly for the gain of a few, but I am sure that is only coincidence...which I no longer believe in.

Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you. But I do see your point.

Individuals can not know what is true or not true without directly witnessing and sometimes that is subjective.

What is important is that whatever the cause, the world is broken and people are suffering and it is not necessary. The distractions are on purpose.

i agree with how people are blinded by conspiracy theories and get way to invovled in them. But that is because they were once like you (and SandyBerman) and were turned onto to this way of conspiracy thinking later in life.

I can listen to both sides open minded and without getting angry with the other person im talking to. try to relate and understand everything that is the only way to peace. and you learn alot more.

and why go through life so closed minded i love hearing about conspiracies. youtube sum shit for fun and go in it saying "well i guess anything is possible" rather then "fuck that im right!" like 'the earth grows theory' thats a fun thing that i doubt is true but what the fuck do i know. the sun is a ball of fire because some smart guy figured it out not me or you. and that guy could be wrong.

most geniuses are conspiracy theorist.

So well said, thank you for your words of wisdom

look into it and find out you might start to see beyond the walls you've built for yourself...take Nick19 with you he needs some help with his education as well...get out the sledgehammer.

Here all I can do is try to show people the door...they have to choose to walk through. In the real world all I can do is live my life through right action, understanding that every choice has an affect towards everyone's future and try to do the best I can for myself, you, my neighbor, and the people around the world that care about people and planet. There is a foot on our throat keeping us from living correctly, keeping us from love, kicking us towards fear. We have to see the beast before we can deal with it and make this world a better place for us all.

expected you...don't talk till you look into something, anything

It is our way or the highway...we are legion

Talking to you is like talking to my father....he is blind too.

Given this information, I think most would agree that conspiracy is rampant in our society as evidenced recently and frequently by the financial giants and military industrial complex.

It is also not a stretch of the imagination (or facts) that often theories about conspiracies turn out to be true.

That all said; I agree with the poster: thorough research is always warranted.