Obama administration approves Arctic oil drilling

Combustion is a War; destroys Oxygen. Not that that will be a problem once 80% of human beings are combusted into dust... WHILE STILL WAITING FOR JOBS.

quiet please, never, Why shouldn't the line be drawn here. Some say, be reasonable, smart, as if what they compromised with is either.

Imagine if you were an oncologist in 1955 and knew the danagers of smoking. Imagine how unfullied it felt some nine years later when your efforts to warn the public only produced a suggestion label on a box of cigarettes. Little did that doctor know it would take another 30 years before tobacco was finally held accountable for their lies. Unfortunately, for the physian, she did not know where in history she was, and neither does today's enviornmental movement. But unlike smoking, the danager carbon presents affects the planet. So if supporting a position means not supporting a short sighted dim wit, so be it. After all how is anyone to know which is the shortest path to a world that is not dependent on carbon fuel? But this can certainly be assured the fuse has been lit by carbon inc.

As far as obama supporters is concern, there are many good reasons why a green activitist should keep them pleading.

Signed.

Thanks.

Your welcome.

You made a very very good set of points, thank you Sandy! ^+

Politicians & corporations? On the same side? The Devil you say! Well, a chair needs three legs so where's the Pope? You can always count on His Highness to support the politicians [or otherwise not oppose them].

Has the Pope Mr. Benedict made any statements against Crude Oil pollution, or Canadian tar sands, or pipelines that always eventually break from ground stresses plus weather hot-cold expansion/contraction?

How much stock portfolio money does the Vatican's so-called "Holy See" have in the World Pollution Business? DOES POPE BENEDICT OPPOSE OIL MONEY? IF NOT, WE HAVE A LESS-THAN-HOLY ORGY GROUP PAT DOWN BY PROFESSIONAL PEDOPHILES.

Hmm, if the Pope would only pull out.

If I may offer my unsolicited opinion, the effect of what we see as otherwise rational and intelligent people still supporting Obama, is the effect known as cult of personality, a state akin to mass hypnosis, where people simply want to BELIEVE what something or someone IS as opposed to what it or a person ACTUALLY is, it is not rational, but it demonstrates very clearly how craziness is a continuum.

Let's take an easy example, on the craziness continuum, Michelle Bochmann is probably 80% crazy 20% rational, whereas let's say the vast majority of individuals who like and identify with Keith Olbermann are 80% sane and 20% crazy, But of that 20% that a person can be crazy, they can be SERIOUSLY fucking crazy.

There are a number of people who so deeply vicariously identify with entertainment personalities such as Keith Olbermann, that if he went into a preschool, had a submachine gun and killed every last child and the staff, or did something equally horrific and outrageous, a large number of his followers would still defend him, coming up with any amount of bizarre rationalizations to defend his actions, my point is, this is the direct consequence-just like militarism and nationalism-of falling under the power and influence of cult of personality, and those who work in the pseudo-news industry are well aware of this, which is how these reasonably intelligent, attractive and or charismatic individuals are able to obtain their obscene salaries, and inform millions of Americans each and every night, the water..... is in fact..... wet, Wolf Blitzer is a perfect example of this, the man has about as much substance as a jellyfish.

I think some people are being feared into it for the most part. The Democratic Party is telling people that the opposite is a fate worse than death... now , while I agree that a Republican running now being president is calamatous and I would never vote for any of them, that doesn't give them license to gullt and scare people either when the man they are running is no better, only more articulate. It is not democracy when you constantly have to go vote with little to no choice and the choices do not share your moral view. As an example, my old rep Donald Payne ran unopposed for YEARS. Now why would I want to go vote every single time just to see his name on the ballot all the time with no opposition? There wasn't even one election sign put up or any debate. Just go out and vote for him and be quiet about it.

This decision and others seems to me to be an obvious attempt by this administration to simply shove anything out here to appease the side they are looking for extra votes from ( considering the loons on the other side) while alienating a base they think is already in their back pocket because there is no opposition... and frankly, I find that to be arrogant to the extreme. I voted Democrat all of my life because I believed they stood for what I believe in and I espouse Democratic views, but I will not just be a good little sheep and accept whatever they put out here without thinking and asking questions. As I have observed over the past decade or more, they are becoming more and more the other party of corporate greed and less and less the party of the people and that disappoints me greatly. I'm not going to just go vote for Obama because they fear me into it like Bush did while he gets away with making destructive decisions like this just because they think they have me cornered. Where's the responsibiity on his part?

I care about the environment, I care about the lives of the indigenous people and I care about the species and the waters that will be harmed in this process. I can't in good conscience support someone who really doesn't care about my support and only plays the game because it is a game that has now brought us to the tipping point, and it is time to say ENOUGH.

Your opinions are always welcome, V. I find human psychology fascinating (also depressing). I'd say you are right to use the phrase "cult of personality".

My positions are based on the truth. Given that the truth is elusive, I am aware of the possibility of being wrong, but I always at least try to seek truth. Perhaps it is because I have a strong urge to seek the truth, I expect others to as well. When others are led to believe things that are easily demonstrated to be untrue, it leaves me feeling confused. When presented with evidence to the contrary of what one believes, instead of modifying what one believes, they either ignore the truth or dismiss it as bullshit.

I understand that the cult of personality phenomenon exists, but I don't understand why it happens. I have been wrong in the past. I could be wrong, but I don't think it was totally because of the cult of personality phenomenon. For example, I have only been paying attention to politics since the last few years of the Bush (W) administration. When Obama came around I didn't understand how things worked. I believed in the hope and change PR stuff. I was wrong about Obama because I didn't have a firm grasp on the truth. Once I realized I was wrong, I changed my position. I don't understand why so many others refuse to change their positions in light of the truth. I wish to understand the psychology behind this.

I have always been this way. Another example involves Santa Claus. When I was 6 I started to doubt his existence. I asked my mother to please be honest with me because I wanted to know the truth. She told me that Santa existed. I accepted it because I trusted her. But the part of me that needs the truth still needed it to make sense. I kept thinking about it and asked my mother again. She could tell that I was very sincere so this time she decided to be honest with me and told me that Santa didn't exist. I was so angry at her for lying to me about Santa. I don't like to be misled. When I was 6 I vowed never to lie to my future children about Santa. I kept my word and ultimately became an atheist and discarded the notion of god the same way I did with Santa.

I suppose when the truth is fuzzy to people, they believe what they want to. That's probably why I believed Obama was on the side of the people. I often wonder what I am still wrong about. I don't like to be wrong.

Thank you, I also find human psychology very interesting, and perhaps equally depressing as well, this is why I became a realist, and explained many things which eluded me for some time up to that point. I have no idea what you're talking about what you're saying you're wrong, but hell, you could just as easily be right, as far as not wanting to be wrong is concerned, I believe that's a fairly common human trait, the difference is in understanding that there is in fact a difference between subjective and objective reality, once a person fully acknowledges that concept, understanding causality of many situations becomes far far easier, thanks for your commentary.

People like you I totally understand. You are a rational-thinking, caring, intelligent person and you are doing your part to try to make this world a better place.

I totally agree with you that fear plays a big part and that some people support Obama out of fear of the Republicans. That I understand. One who is very disappointed with Obama but wants to support him because they fear the Republicans winning at least understands that Obama isn't one of us. What confuses me are the people who still adamantly defend Obama and list his "accomplishments" and down-vote any negative comments about Obama.

I don't see Obama as being so much better than Republicans that we have to vote for him. I don't see him as being very different at all. Both sides serve the same masters. Given that this is not obvious to everyone, I can understand a little bit how some people do not see this and will therefore fall for the fear card that the Democrats depend on to get their pocketed liberals to the polls. As for myself, I have lost this fear altogether.

Recently I was going back and forth with someone here on current who was posting pictures of Obama and admiring how beautiful his family was. While I don't have any ill feelings towards that person, that is a very good example of how delusional people can be. The comments were under a story that was equally delusional -- it asserted that disappointment in Obama from the left was because of racism. I don't understand how a rational human being can accept such garbage. This is the confusion that I have.

Obama has delayed himself into a corner so sane decisions will give way to GET~ELECTED DECISIONS. That means Jobs. So how to deliver jobs on a Silver Platter FAST? =>>> Lower Fuel prices at the fuel pumps!

He's going for oil Jan. He fumbled the ball, too many trips to golf courses and nice luncheons that ate up the time clock.

Oil prices respond quicker than Green Energy can accomplish, being a new technology and all. He was new to the Office & lost sight of the clock, a Minor Mistake. He will work extra hard on Green Energy initiatives next go round. Next term Jan, next term. He'll be older and wiser then!!!

Obama doesn't like to lose Jan. Stay the course.

Well thank you. I appreciate your insights here as well and understand where you are coming from. For me as well, skin color, sex, nor amount of money you have ...none of this matters in assigning worth to a person and it does not influence how I live my life. I was also introduced to the stories of indigenous people of the world by my uncle when I was growing up. He used to visit Africa frequently and brought back artifacts and stories of the people there and their customs that fascinated me and after reading about many of them I knew they were the people who had the answers to what ails this species.The one thing about indigenous peoples of this planet is that they have that higher consciousness and the knowledge of why we are here and how to cherish this Earth to benefit the whole and I respect them so for it.

That is why I am appalled at the treatment they get around the world from those who haven't a clue as to the true value of this planet that is so rare and precious. And it frustrates me to no end how we have allowed our culture to become so degraded by materialistic goals overseeing this true value and the absolute joy it can bring to our lives in the way it should be lived in using nature for our needs but in harmony with her while giving back what we take. We will never solve the problems we face in this world until we have a new perception of her.

As far as the issue of voting for Obama or anyone else for that matter, I too cannot understand why others do not see that having no choice is not freedom. And you will always have those on all sides who defend to the end because it is the party that precedes anything else.That's why even though I consider myself Democratic in my values I am not tied to any party affiliation and think that parties are actually (like Washington and many founding fathers also thought) the antithesis to true democracy. Just look at all of the damage and impasse partisan politics has brought upon us. I hope that one day as things change in this country we can change that too.

I just listened to a long real-time radio interview with Sarah Palin and she just blew the entire Anti-Oil group out of the water. She did everything but sink a GreenPeace boat.

On the good side, with her pushing 100's of billions barrels of Alaskan North Slope crude she may also have blown the Keystone pipeline to smithereenies. Palin backed up the oil with trillions of whatevers of natural gas under the oil. Palin has single-handedly just put America back on combustion engines FOR THE NEXT 250 YEARS.

It has been getting worse, but also believe that we will see it reach a saturation point. I was hoping the protests we see starting around the country would take that into account regarding where we now stand and move to change that as well providing it is not hijacked by only certain political elements and organizations that change it from a pure people powered movement to making it look contrived and politically partisan. In that case, I think that would only serve to divide the country more.

She needs to go on a helicopter tour of the Alberta tarsands and dropped into a tailings pond.

If something like that happened the Big Oil CEO's would have a Joan of Ark martyr: her words immortalized in granite so hard they'd reign forever. Her work for them has been done.

Like John Henry beating the pile-driving machine then it killed him, and he was immortalized in Legend from that time on. Just like Herman Cain, now that he's given them a tax plan something happens to him he's another John Henry.

Death would only make them both stronger, their "last dying words" drifting on the sands of time. Ya can't shut up a talking ghost Jan.

I've read every one of your comments & you're very knowledgeable, and reasonable too. So why is it you fall as hard as everyybody else? You parrot the same thing they do every time you agree SACRIFICE is synonymous with WINNING => when it is not. Winning is as easy as taking one short step over the finish line.

It isn't a football game faced off with Lyle Alzado at the 1 Yard Line. I'm afraid everybody here including unfortunately yourself also has been thoroughly & utterly brainwashed with a bucket of Kool-Aid... because the devices and systems were invented ages ago by Tesla, then an even greater device by Floyd Sweet in 1987.

And since that time I've had multiple car engines that EXHAUST ABOLUTELY ZERO GASES and in fact doesn't even have a TAILPIPE or Cooling System because they're Temperature-Balanced (and therefore escape the crippling done to combustion engines by the thermodynamic laws).

Plus Gravity Wheels & Ocean Energy. We haven't needed crude oil since before Tesla died in like 1943 or 1946 by a decade!!! Floyd Sweet showed UNLIMITED COSMIC ENERGY available to every human being on earth who lives now or ever lived at all, or will live.

All my work has been in the End Zone already, total and complete overkill.

I even have a system (1989) for harnessing the World's Lightning.

Where the Sam Hill does anybody need to "SACRIFICE" FOR?

=> THE WORK HAS ALL BEEN DONE FOR YA.

=> STEP OVER THE FINISH LINE ALREADY.

=> Where the Sam Hill does anybody need to "SACRIFICE" FOR? THE WORK HAS ALL BEEN DONE FOR YA. STEP OVER THE FINISH LINE ALREADY.

Great comment V.

If I'm understanding you correctly, your supposition, that mankind is innately brutish, self-centered and works to subjugate his fellow man, is wrong, the evidence is actually quite the contrary. In perhaps one of the greatest pieces of scientific literature ever written, that is just as legitimate and valid today as it was when it was written over 100 years ago, Mutual Aid, by Prince Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin, demonstrates very clearly, that human civilization was developed and maintained only through mutual cooperation, and the symbiotic relationships which developed as a consequence, consequently, when corruption has taken hold of any society, and exploitation to some other person's advantage becomes the norm, that society is doomed, it falls into a spiral of decline, and eventual nonexistence, the decline and fall of the Roman Empire is a perfect example.

But of course don't take my word on it, here is just a little cut and paste information from Wikipedia on a man who is considered to have been one of the most brilliant minds EVER, I have read Mutual Aid at least five times, it is absolutely brilliant, I highly suggest it, in summation, what is going on culturally in America, is just that, a cultural phenomenon which is NOT natural human behavior, but a completely contrived artificial system, that only "works" as long as there is something or someone that can be exploited, as soon as that is gone, it collapses, hence what is happening in America today.

Prince Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin (Russian: Пётр Алексе́евич Кропо́ткин; 9 December 1842 – 8 February 1921) was a Russian zoologist, activist, philosopher, economist, writer, scientist, evolutionary theorist, geographer and one of the world's foremost anarcho-communists. Kropotkin advocated a communist society free from central government and based on voluntary associations between workers. Because of his title of prince, he was known by some as "the Anarchist Prince". Some contemporaries saw him as leading a near perfect life, including Oscar Wilde, who described him as "a man with a soul of that beautiful white Christ which seems coming out of Russia."[1] He wrote many books, pamphlets and articles, the most prominent being The Conquest of Bread and Fields, Factories and Workshops, and his principal scientific offering, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution. He also contributed the article on anarchism to the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition.[2]
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Your pathological need to insult has been noted and recorded. Your backing away and denying your own statement equating Sacrifice to Winning is also noted.

Thanks for all the fish have a nice day.

The problem with systems such as capitalism is that it is a system that rewards characteristics such as greed and willingness to do whatever it takes to gain capital. I believe that in the general population the level of greed is far less. I look around and see that most people seem to be decent. Most people are not willing to take extreme advantage of another person in order to produce gains for themselves. However, we live in a world controlled and dominated by the relatively tiny number of people who are willing to do just that.

In capitalism, it is the most greedy and vile among us who come to power. Capitalism rewards those who seek power and wealth more than anyone else does. The belief that one has the right to exploit others for their own gain is certainly a conservative view point. Not everyone feels this way. I certainly do not. The exceptions to the rule that most people are fundamentally decent are the ones with all the power and money. It is not the numbers of greedy people, but the disproportionate amount of power that they wield that gives the illusion that people are generally selfish. This disproportionate power is afforded by systems such as capitalism.

Absolutely perfect nox, could not have said it better myself!^+++

Capitalism = Economic Cannibal System > Capitalism = Economic Cannibal System > Capitalism = Economic Cannibal System > Capitalism = Economic Cannibal System > Capitalism = Economic Cannibal System > Capitalism = Economic Cannibal System >

I never heard it put that way, but it totally fits. I'm going to remember that. Thanks.

Once in a while I had a gift with words, glad it works for ya!

"The exceptions to the rule that most people are fundamentally decent are the ones with all the power and money. It is not the numbers of greedy people, but the disproportionate amount of power that they wield that gives the illusion that people are generally selfish"

good insight

However, it is usually easy to turn on that greed switch of anyone by anyone.

"I suggest that anytime you have increased your income it has come at the expense of someone else."

If someone else also means the evoirnment, for sure.

"Mutual Aid comes about because we can have more for ourselves through cooperative efforts, not because of some inherent desire to work together"

Old science certainly would suggest that, but new genetic studies may beg to differ. Which in my opinion, I'd rather believe in the old science.

No, because you're taking a bath in brainwash flavor Kool-Aid. You think winning the Energy battle depends on having billions of dollars, Wall Street investors, being Howard Hughes and saving pennies from old widows of sacrifice.

It just isn't all that.

Grasping at the straw of hypocrisy is very telling, but is baseless due to your overwhelming ignorance. I gave up trying to help you climb out of that hole because you seem to love standing in a hole.

WOW JACK YES IF THE ENVIRONMENT WAS GIVEN LEGAL PERSONHOOD IT WOULD BE RAISED TO EQUAL GROUND AGAINST ALL CORPORATIONS NOT JUST "BIG OIL". WAY TA GO JACK!

credit Jan for that, but yeah, like they did in Ecuador, 100% agree

But you're such an easy read. However, I do not find you acceptable as a disciple. Mouth your way into eternity, dust pile to be.

No, you're the one who is ignorant big mouth. I already told the answer MANY TIMES YESTERDAY even in this thread. The answer to solar energy is Solar Cookers.

What I did not give you and will not give one such as you is the tricks needed to turn it into a super power device.

Go splash in your Mommie's bath she made for ya. My insights remain mine, you remain an empty shell.

Destroy baby, destroy!!!!!!

I just want to clarify here, are you dissing on Obama because you are a conservative or that you are using that as an attack on the left, or are you genuinely pointing out that Obama is a plutocrat, I want a simple straightforward answer, not something ambiguous, I personally am no longer angry at Obama, once I became a realist, I understood his function, and can no longer be any more angry at him, as I would any other treasonous organism, they simply need to be eliminated from public "service" just as any conservative fundamentalist should be, so what I want from you is unambiguous clarification, I am a realist, not a liberal nor a conservative, I have no agenda, other than truth, please define your statements.

"Am I a liberal? Am I a conservative? I can't give you an easy answer, I do not fit neatly into any of the preformed opinion boxes"

Thanks for being clear

so friend, what are you thoughts on global warming? is it happening? And is it man made? Just so people can know when you are joking and when you are not.

that is fair and an honest reply, and I don't want to start in on anything,

but just for clarification

"since according to all the scientists, we can't argue with them can we?"

It is the "cumulative data," that you would be arguing with. However, some try to bind "cumulative data" with consensus. They then make the strawman argument that the consensus is the evidence. Of course that is easier to discredit, as humans make errors and there are differences of opinion. But the fact is there were many experiments that produced tons of data before a consensus every formed. And of course scientists from all parts of the world reviewed, tested, and challenged the findings.

So just to be clear: No one, especially here, has every based their understanding of Global warming on just one scientist's word or data ;-)

How much "cumulative data" did the consensus have other than their own opinions. And to be fair to the geologists then, it was just a theory, that Wegener needed to prove with data. And I guess he did, and so a new consensus based on data was formed

But again, "cumulative data" not consensus, that supports the understanding of Global warming.

"I'm just not going to accept it as FACT"

Why?

Did you actually conduct the study, did you read the data from the studies, calculate the statistics, and as you pointed out, correlated all other various fields involved with their studies?

That you didn't have the ah-ha moment, doesn't mean those scientists didn't, right.

But I agree the issue is stopping pollution.

Here are some words and terms for you to look up, boorish, fundamentalist and arrested development, this is how you are projecting yourself to others.

Double amen, Americans would dearly love to have one of those high paying, 16Hr. a day, 7 day a week jobs, ANYWHERE in the country. Then maybe they could actually afford a steak for dinner.

ROTFLMAO....is that Aypis? or Ape shit? I don't know how to spell it. ; )

What are you talking about?

You gave Obamination a list of words to look up. I thought it was funny. Also, is Obamination the same guy who went by Aypis (?)

I don't know if this was Aypis, but I do know that they are an idiot. Hey? are you still ROFLMAF? I don't EVER text, but YOU were REALLY funny as hell!

Nah, I got up off the ground. ; ) Thank you, I try to bring comic relief. Sending the love to you V

Ok nice.......if your still up, send a pm I've got something funny as hell for you!

I had a hard time figuring out why such comments are ever written. It was a puzzle to me, so I gave my best attempt to figure it out. I shall proceed to explain my current theory.

This brand of comment is devoid of any meaning and seems to go out of its way to appear offensive to the left side of the political spectrum. No one would deduce that such a comment could possibly convince anyone of what is being stated.

Some are even paid to make such comments. For one to shell out money for such garbage there must be some benefit. What is this benefit? How does one simplify this equation? One may look at the direct affect that these comments have. The most obvious effect is that the people reading such comments are made angry by nonsensical right-wing statements. This effect leads me to believe that is the main goal of such comments. These comments serve to keep the people divided because a public divided against itself may not pose a true threat to the power structure.

That's just my theory. I feel that all such comments are either intended to divide the public or are a consequence of all of the other means of dividing us and keeping us ignorant and confused.

report the profile, don't respond as that is what they fear most - irrelevance.

Polite correction, Obama has never sold out, selling out by definition implies that one has gone against their core belief systems, which in this instance is not the case, at which and whatever point in his life Obama decided to do this, he accepted that America is a plutocracy, and that he wanted to be a plutocrat, like many of us when we are young, he may have very well had very idealistic ambitions on what an individual can accomplish, even as President, but the reality is thus, America, is a plutocracy, and it has been a plutocracy since the founding fathers, to deny this is absurd, and as a consequence, Obama acts as a plutocrat, because that is what he is supposed to do, and any other expectation of him, is unrealistic and foolish-what conservatives call idealistic-if one fully understands and accepts a given operating system, they stop being disappointed, when that operating system does not adhere to any idealistic preconceived notions, or campaign rhetoric, Obama is completely and totally corporately owned, and that is the reality of the situation, from a realist perspective.

May I ask a question?

btw...

China has 15 billion in investments XL pipeline in particular the Enbrige Northern Gateway pipeline. And what is neat about all is they bought out 40% of the Canadian Enbridge inc, and others in anticipation of the pipeline. It is their way of not looking like they want control of the company. However, after the gateway is allowed, and when they pay a little more to be able to send that oil to China, they'll have you. Good luck because that mining will never stop. But it brings jobs.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Enbridge+signs+shippers+Northern+Gateway+li...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/MI20Cb02.html

"WTF does the destruction of thousands of hectares of wilderness have to do with the oil sands?"
temper temper, you may think your superior, but you have no control of your emotions.

All I asked for was proof, good lead, thanks.
The tar sands is just an example of what happens when you "drill baby drill". So any alternative energy source has to be worse than what is happening in Alberta, to not consider it.

sorry, your so touchy

"buy into the project"

Are more likely. they are the only ones funding the project. Those corporations are shell companies.

"laws that limit foreign ownership " what does it matter if the company is a shell.

But I didn't realize canada had high unemployement, and the healthcare system has gone under. I guess I am just asking does Canada really need the money that bad?

Don't fall into the semantics trap. Hydroelectric power is not "green." It is only called green to get financing. Governments and corporations do the same with nuclear.

"Good Old American KNOWHOW" is off getting blown into pieces on "Foreign Soil" dying and getting maimed for life to protect "our Way of Life" spelled CRUDE OIL.

"We" don't have a way of life => the oil companies & cartels do. Our way of life is being a baby-making engine & conveyor belt, otherwise referred to as a "Military Supply Line".

Our soldiers are being fed into a machine like the people in that really BAD movie called Millenium... being fed forward into the next world.

yeah, that maybe true, and I'd like read what is informing you to make that opinion, however, if it is just what you heard. I'd argue, that is understandable, since electricity is still produced by carbon fuels. But EV is a step in the right direction, even though it is a transitional step. Ultimately, the idea is to have a solar/wind grid to provide that electricity, instead of coal.

And though you may not be making the argument, most who do make the argument are cherry picking material data to make an ad hominem attack.

Although, it is cherry picking, it is not without merit. The argument does highlight the fact that much more needs to be done, and that environmentalists should not be appeased by the crumbs offered by corporations.

"I like hydroelectric as a source of energy, for it is truly 'renewable' "

Glad to read you might support something like this, but for sure it needs to be weighed for cost, productivity, and impact., but i can imagine it being much better that oil, but it wouldn't be energy one could sale.

"but it falls short of being able to fill consumer demand, let alone the demands of industry"

good lead....I'd still promote purchasing EV cars regardless, after all it is either them or carbon only cars. As far as power for them, that is much easier now. Just get a few portable solar panels that are used to recharge RV batteries, as the renewable power source.

However, it plays to the carbon industries interest to keep the discussion on a national level, so it may seem like "green energy" has only national solutions.(just check out their commercials) But it’s the public’s cultural dependency that is really what is at issue here, and as you have pointed out many times, the fault lies at the local level, at the door step of each homeowner.

Switching to renewable energy is practical given the introduction of solar shingles, residential wind power turbines, portable solar panels and in some areas solar a/c units. The issue of expense given the new technology is little under $10,000. Unfortunately, one still has to be attached to the grid, but there are several companies trying to develop multi-rechargeable batteries that are safe for long-term low maintenance storage.

In the end, it is an attitude and lifestyle adjustment that to a normal homeowner may seem every bit as difficult to conceive as was landing on the moon. But that can be addressed at the local level by media tie-ins and education. Bottom line, "consumer demand," especially for homeowners, can be taken care of at home, without the need of a solar farm.

To baggers, that is called balance. They just love them some symmetry.

"Drilling could add 1 million jobs: Oil-funded study"

enough said

must be nice to live in the fantasy world you live in

They already can't find hands to work the rigs that they have now. The Oil feild is booming and in short supply of hands to work.

Tell that to the men who died on the Deep Horizon rig in the GULF when it BLEW UP. And renewable energy can add more than that while actually preserving the environment and life which is worth much more than the illusion you push. Once the oil is gone, its GONE but the sun will last for billions more years.Your avatar suits you.