Tech | October 23, 2011 | 61 comments

Gadhafi's murder, international law, destabilization and water

JanforGore
Firoze Manji: Nothing in international law allows regime change and assassination of a leader.

He also talks about oil, unholy alliances, privatization, European banks and the vast amounts of fossil water under the Nubian Aquifer... the real prize.
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  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  

    • http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/111024/gaddafi-sodom...
      SIRTE, Libya — An analysis of video obtained by GlobalPost from a rebel fighter who recorded the moment when Col. Muammar Gaddafi was first captured confirms that another rebel fighter, whose identity is unknown, sodomized the former leader as he was being dragged from the drainpipe where he had taken cover.

      A frame by frame analysis of this exclusive GlobalPost video clearly shows the rebel trying to insert some kind of stick or knife into Gaddafi's rear end.

      Full coverage: Death of Muammar Gaddafi

      GlobalPost correspondent Tracey Shelton said there is some question as to whether the instrument was a knife from the end of a gun, which Libyans call a Bicketti, or a utilitiy tool known as a Becker Knife and Tool, which is popularly known as a BKT.

      This latest video discovery comes as international and human rights groups call for a formal investigation into how the former Libyan leader was killed. In video clips that have emerged of his capture, Gaddafi can be seen injured but alive. Later he is seen with what appears to be gunshot wounds to his head and chest. According to the Geneva Conventions, however, abuse of prisoners under any circumstance is not permissable.

      Related: Was Gaddafi Killed? Does it matter?

      Here is a frame by frame look at the attack. Below the frames is video decoding the cell phone footage of the capture. And, finally, at the bottom is the full video. You can see the attempt to sodomize Gaddafi at the 16 second mark.

      WARNING: Extremely graphic

    • 7 months ago
  • jubal
    • +1
      jubal  

    • Libya is clearly a case of NEOLIBERAL politics at work to overthrow a cherished leader, foment national discord, divide and conquer, and then move in under the guise of revolution and impose International Banking Cartel domination and Western Captialist Extraction of natural resources....not to mention they already seized 158Billion which will never make it into the hands of the people there.

      While Gadafi was Prez, people had free healthcare and free education....now it will go away as privatization becomes KING.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
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    • http://current.com/technology/93192308_nato-warned-against-strikes-on-libyas-gre...

      Previous posting on the Great Manmade River Project.

      "Farming in the desert

      At a cost of over €23 billion, paid for with Libyan petrodollars, and owned by the Great Man-Made River Project Authority, the most expensive irrigation project in history is part of Gaddafi's plan to make Libya self-sufficient in food by irrigating remote agricultural areas in the Sahara Desert.

      According to the European Commission, "over 70% of the water from this man-made river system is intended for agricultural purposes". 130,000 hectares of agricultural land are expected to derive from implementing the project, the EU executive added.

      The underground ocean, called the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System (NSAS), is the world's largest fossil water aquifer scheme to date. Libya shares it with three other African nations – Chad, Sudan and Egypt. According to the UN, at current extraction rates the NSAS is not likely to be depleted for a thousand years.

      Late last year, Turkish and Libyan delegations met in Tripoli to discuss the possibility of allocating 60,000 hectares of agricultural land in Libya for Turkish investors to produce wheat and corn."
      _____
      http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/27/great-man-made-river-nato-bombs/

      But according to this report NATO bombed it anyway which raises the question: how could this have been a humanitarian mission to help the people when this was done? Regardless of who initiated this project, from an environmental and humanitarian standpoint and in seeing the impacts of climate change, population and the economy, this is a crime. I'm hoping that the people will have a say in trying at least to rebuild it, but if history is any indication this will not belong to them now especially if international banks and corporations find a way to get a hold of it.

    • 7 months ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • JanforGore:

      Gadafi was too forward thinking and Green to suit the tastes of NEOLIBERAL MF's in the Washington Consensus. God help Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales if these MF's attempt something similar in South America. Money can buy revolutions.

    • 7 months ago
  • hombre76
  • letsliveinpeace
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  

    • The way I remember the events of the past several months, Libyans joined the protests sweeping the middle east (which we all cheered and supported) and Gadhafi threatened to mass murder tens of thousands of his people.
      The U.S. and NATO intervened to prevent a genocide underway.
      When Gadhafi was ousted from power last month hundreds of thousands of Libyans took to the streets celebrating and thanking the U.S. and NATO countries for helping liberate them from a brutal dictator.
      From what I understand Gadhafi was not killed by U.S. or NATO forces but by his own people.
      We should be congratulating Obama for another job well done.
      He accomplished what five republican presidents were unable to accomplish--in just a few months, and gets no credit from the left or the right.

    • 7 months ago
  • coolplanet
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  
    • coolplanet:

      yeah we helped them just like we did all the other countries who were protesting like Bahrain, Tunisia, and.... Oh wait we didn't help those other countries because they have to oil in the ground. Politics is and extension of economics and war is an extension of Politics!

    • 7 months ago
  • jubal
  • faye59
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      faye59  

    • Boy these conspiracy theories seem to be growing and growing. You'd think noone saw reports of his own people getting tired of four decades of this erratic person. He was captured by his own people.

    • 7 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  

    • Firoze Manji: Nothing in international law allows regime change and assassination of a leader.

      Well then I say fuck international law. thats what happens when a leader pisses off enough of their people. they get over thrown and their heads in a basket.

      Stop shedding tears over this fucking monster. it makes you all look like pathetic apologists for monsters. this is the consequence of despotic leadership in Libya or any here else some fuckwad wants to treat people like this. Know This!

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • coolplanet
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • hombre76:

      Where do you see shedding tears? You obviously don't have the capacity to think of the higher concept of international law and the repurcussions of discounting it for those other than the monsters who are spared justice. It's that kind of ignorance that keeps the cycle of violence going.

    • 7 months ago
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • JanforGore:

      ya and its you everything by the book, lost in a utopian world people that help perpetuate these reign of monsters like Gadaffi with your half mesures and nieve beliefe that these despotic people will ever bend to the will of your "civilized" courts. keep living a dream while despots like gadaffi slaughter thousands if not millions more. and when people like me put another one down you can try and convince every one how evil we are for killing another monster. I'm sure you'll have lots of luck with that.

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • jubal
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • David_H:

      Spare you my rebutal? why? so I dont tear you bass ackwards reply to shreds? let me get this straight you are comparing the made up tapes of people chearing the destruction and death of 3 thousand inocent people with the adulation of the Lybian people at the death of the dictator Gadaffi? Really?! thats your argument? and by the way fuck your BS equivications there is nothing wrong with being happy at the death of a monster. I will be equaly glad when the monsters who parrade themselves as Americans get their come upins as should be plain if you ever read a lick of any of my post just to make it clear I'm an equal opportunity distributer of Karma. You reap what you sow Gadaffi sowed himself a humiliating and painfull death, the Lybian people have sowed themselves a future of self determination. As I have said before advise the Lybians to watch these world bankers and governments but do not begrudge them this great victory over a long standing advisary. Have the decency to give us all that.

    • 7 months ago
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  

    • There was the water...

      About to start trading oil exclusively for gold....

      About to revert to a gold currency....

      Oh Libya already had 144 tons of gold, which if you figure in per capita wealth......

      Ah-ha... the no debt thing.... And people liked to suggest I pulled previous comments out of my ass....

      Great post btw....

    • 7 months ago
  • jubal
  • tverdell
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      tverdell  

    • I have given the sudden ME regime some thought.

      I can't believe there is not some group pulling the strings far behind the scenes.
      Making it possible for the people to uprise and instill new leadership -- which is probably handpicked by the West.

      But to what end?

      What is Russia and China thinking of all of this?

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • tverdell:

      The end is to facilitate International Banking Cartel domination and Western Capitalist Extraction of natural resources. These MF's think they own the world through imminent domain, claiming to be acting on behalf of the greater good, when in reality they are only satisfying their own selfish agenda.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
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    • http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/transitional-leader-declares-libyan-liberati...

      Now Libya is to be run by Sharia Law... I guess this will be OK as long as there is access to water and resources as payment to those who opened the door?
      ______

      TRIPOLI, Libya — Libya’s transitional leader declared his country’s liberation Sunday after an 8-month civil war and set out plans for the future with an Islamist tone. The announcement was clouded, however, by international pressure to explain how ousted dictator Moammar Gadhafi had been captured alive days earlier, then ended up dead from a gunshot to his head shortly afterward.

      Gadhafi’s death in circumstances that are still unclear, and the gruesome spectacle of his body laid out as a trophy in a commercial freezer and on public view, are testing the new Libyan leaders’ commitment to the rule of law. Even at the ceremony to declare liberation, two speakers in positions of authority essentially said Gadhafi got what he deserved.

      But transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, who made the keynote speech, did not mention the events surrounding Gadhafi’s end and called on his people to eschew hatred.

      “You should only embrace honesty, patience, and mercy,” Abdul-Jalil told the crowd at the declaration ceremony in the eastern city of Benghazi, the birthplace of the uprising against Gadhafi. He urged Libyans to reconcile their differences.

      And he laid out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying Islamic Sharia law would be the “basic source” of legislation and existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified. In a gesture that showed his own piety, he urged Libyans not to express their joy by firing guns in the air, but rather to chant “Allahu Akbar,” or God is Great. He then stepped aside from the podium and knelt to offer a brief prayer of thanks.

      Using Sharia as the main source of legislation is stipulated in the constitution of neighboring Egypt. Still, Egyptian laws remain largely secular as Sharia does not cover all aspects of modern day life.
      end of excerpt.

    • 7 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • JanforGore:

      So now your echoing the right wing anti-Islam rhetoric about sharia law being imposed in libya jan? really?! even if that is what the Libyan people choose for them selves what the fuck business is that of yours or the US? stop bitching that a fucking dictator took a bullet in the streets its what he had coming.

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • hombre76:

      “You should only embrace honesty, patience, and mercy,” Abdul-Jalil told the crowd at the declaration ceremony in the eastern city of Benghazi, the birthplace of the uprising against Gadhafi. He urged Libyans to reconcile their differences.

      And he laid out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying Islamic Sharia law would be the “basic source” of legislation and existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified
      ___
      I AM ASKING A QUESTION BASED ON THE ARTICLE AND WHAT WAS SPOKEN BY THIS SO CALLED "LEADER." Isn't Sharia Law the law that stones women to death? You approve of that? THAT ISN'T RIGHTWING ANYTHING. I do not look at things from a partisan political slant. Isn't that what we were fighting in Afghanistan with the Taliban? THE POINT BEING, that it appears certain interests will turn the other way should this happen when geopolitics is at play. Perhaps you need to study up more on the geopolitics of this area and stop insinuating things about me simply for asking a question and discussing what I READ.

    • 7 months ago
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • JanforGore:

      what ever jan you bounce around and contridict your self so much its imposible to respond to your posts. first its the CIA now the movement has leaders......whitch is it? and why we are in Afganistan? cause we had a fucking hick president and that bullshit about the Taliban as the reason to be in Afganistan is pure BS and you know it so please dont try and dance around the subject of Libya's right to choose what ever form of government they want whether you like it or no. seriosly Jan get over yourself, your just embarasing yourself with this crap about how we should somehow be upset that Gadaffi is dead. Its not flying.

    • 7 months ago
  • zampano
  • JanforGore
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  

    • Oil, Water, and Gold. That's why they attacked. They're so far
      in debt, having invested too heavily in militarism, all they can
      do is resort to the ultimate form of Organized Crime-Warfare
      to obtain what they couldn't trade for that they'll need. The
      openly predatory nature of Western block militarism has been
      seen in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Pakistan, in Yemen.

      I support the OWS movement because they seek to end the
      criminal de facto shadow government overlords the Banksters
      have become. Without a bogus debt based Ponzi Scheme
      system of fiat currency controlled by the Banksters who abuse
      it to fuel this militarism...And with We the People in control of
      the printing of currency through U.S.Treasury Notes we'd again
      eventualy have semi/precious metals coined into money to save.
      Instead of the spend, spend, spend, spam toy money we wouldn't
      even let kids play with in 1963 when JFK was President, and
      the C.I.A. was rightfuly known as shit. In case people are still
      so sound alseep they're too mindless to notice it, when all you've
      got to spend is cheap crap common metals, you're being sublimated
      to spend it.

      When semi/precious metals circulated, people were much more
      savvy about what they spent it on. There never was the kind of
      consumption driven economy then. Nor the horrendous level of
      waste we commonly see today. In the USA we routinely waste 50%
      of all the food produced, In that wasted 50% there are colossal
      tones of fresh water your decendants will wish they still had to drink.
      Our economy was production based before the Bankster Globalists
      dominated it. Honest money exists in it's ability to be recycled for
      industrial uses. According to the Constitution, paper CAN'T be money.
      Because it's immaginary, too easily couneterfeitable as the Fed does.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • PressCore:

      Well this morning on Meet The Press, Clinton said that even though troops are being allowed to come home from Iraq that the U.S. would still maintain a military presence in that region and she all out threatened Iran not to think of taking advantage of the situation. I may be too cynical, but I really have to wonder if this is being done as a provocation so Israel will have a reason to attack Iran. War is not over no matter how much they run their smoke up the butt machines. And as you stated debts have to be paid... stealing the resources of other nations seems to be the method of choice for payment.

    • 7 months ago
  • queenofit
  • JanforGore
  • jubal
  • PressCore
  • queenofit
    • +2
      queenofit  

    • As usual there is always a dark underbelly for the killings. We can say whatever we want, but money/resources and someones personal gains are in the mix. I detest all this killing and butting our noses into other countries affairs, we have plenty to work out right here. Reminds me of the nosy gossip whose life is all out of control, and instead of fixing their own troubles, (too hard) they fixate on other people around them. Sickness abounds..... (sorry to be dour)

    • 7 months ago
  • queenofit
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      queenofit  
    • queenofit:

      I realize this is a global economy now, but seriously, killing leaders of other countries is not what globalism is all about. Well, it is now I suppose, according the US> :(

    • 7 months ago
  • queenofit
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • queenofit:

      Yes, I saw it and posted it in another thread about this regarding international law. Disgusting to me as an American. Thanks too for understanding that those of us who call for the law to be followed aren't terrorist sympathizers. Getting truly sick of that mentality.

      And my heart is hurt seeing what has happened to this river irrigation system. It may well have been the best thing Libya ever did for its people, and now, gone... to be sold off to the highest bidder. I wonder how long it will be before we see it bottled and shipped out by one of the big soft drink companies. And once fossil water is gone, that's it.

      And Monsanto already has an office in Tripoli.

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • queenofit
  • David_H
  • queenofit
  • JanforGore
  • David_H
  • queenofit
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      queenofit  
    • David_H:

      So true, and when election time rolls around, and we start hearing the same old bs, "If you don't vote for (fill in the blank) then such and such will win". I get so sick of that threat. I am sick of "holding my nose and voting". I am sick of letting the money pick my candidates and we just buy that bs too. We might as well not have any leaders, for the good they are doing us (the 99%). We need new ideas, new leaders, new framework, not the same old cliche corporate controlled and government rolled failed system.

    • 7 months ago
  • Anonmaly
  • JanforGore
  • queenofit
    • +1
      queenofit  
    • JanforGore:

      We just buy the bs, hook, line and sinker. Well, folks are waking up, but I see so many people still gushing with glee (see Sec of State Clinton's video I posted) that he is dead. Like they really knew what it was like, heck, most here in US don't even know what it is REALLY like living here. I don't know what it was like living in Libya, I cannot comment, but I do know how much things have changed for the worse in my lifetime here in US. This is not the country I was born into.

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • JanforGore
    • +2
      JanforGore  
    • David_H:

      Clinton should have to go live in Libya now... You know, really help the people whose country now lies in tatters. And that has nothing to do with Gadhafi. As you stated he was far from being a saint, but as usual he like Hussein were worthy allies when it suited the geopolitical goals of the U.S. and European powers.

    • 7 months ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • queenofit:

      As in the Star Wars prequel movie: " So this is how Liberty dies, with a
      thunderous round of standing applause " I never have the TV on except
      to hear Sirius satelite radio music, or watch decent movies worth archiving.
      People who think Clinton would have been better than Nobama are dolts.
      One would have to be daft to believe a family whose inlaws are Goldman
      Sachs execs are somehow, as if by magic, bona fide. Noone gets to be
      so well plugged into the status quo unless they're corrupt sheisters. And
      noone accepts these inconscionable puppets unless they're so mass mind
      controlled couch potatoes they're too insipid to realize they're under hypnosis.
      My college degree majored in Psyche. I have well written books on Hypnotism
      That's why I never watch TV with expectations to ever see the truth spoken.
      As the movie said: " Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain " Yeah,
      sure. The clowns that dance & party in D.C. when OBL was Murdered are
      the moraly bankrupt loosers who party down when Kadafy was Murdered.
      Empty heads. They're too inconscionable themselves to realize Murder is
      Murder. Too stupid to care they're being desensitized & conditioned to
      accept systematic Murders as Hitler engineered. The go along to get along.
      The spineless always do.

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • JanforGore
    • +1
      JanforGore  
    • David_H:

      Well I notice it seems to be the same type of mentality between dictators and their people as the mentality between the international banking cartel/ governments and dictators. In other words, if you live in a country with a dictator and play ball with them and be good little citizens, you are certainly privy to having opportunity for a better standard of living and that is provided to also keep you in line. But if you challenge them, that is where the torture, rape, and murder come in. I do not think there were those who were good to their people because they had a true humanitarian streak in them. And that mentality also plays out on a global scale. You can be the worst butcher out here, but if you play ball with the global system and keep it profitable, you are an ally. However, once you move to become independent of that system or threaten the status quo's profitability you need to be silenced or just outrightly eliminated.

    • 7 months ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • PressCore:

      Indeed ! This , is nothing to cheer . This illegal assassination will come to our door , soon enough , as torture and murder of American citizens already has . I fear for my country . OWS OTP

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • artemis6
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