Predator Drone Used By USA Police, On USA Soil, Against USA Civilians
source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211,0,324348.story
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Unmanned aircraft from an Air Force base in North Dakota help local police with surveillance, raising questions that trouble privacy advocates.
By Brian Bennett, Washington Bureau
December 10, 2011, 6:12 p.m.
Reporting from Washington—
Armed with a search warrant, Nelson County Sheriff Kelly Janke went looking for six missing cows on the Brossart family farm in the early evening of June 23. Three men brandishing rifles chased him off, he said.
Janke knew the gunmen could be anywhere on the 3,000-acre spread in eastern North Dakota. Fearful of an armed standoff, he called in reinforcements from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances and deputy sheriffs from three other counties.
He also called in a Predator B drone.
As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed. Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.
But that was just the start. Local police say they have used two unarmed Predators based at Grand Forks Air Force Base to fly at least two dozen surveillance flights since June. The FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration have used Predators for other domestic investigations, officials said.
"We don't use [drones] on every call out," said Bill Macki, head of the police SWAT team in Grand Forks. "If we have something in town like an apartment complex, we don't call them."
The drones belong to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which operates eight Predators on the country's northern and southwestern borders to search for illegal immigrants and smugglers. The previously unreported use of its drones to assist local, state and federal law enforcement has occurred without any public acknowledgment or debate.
Congress first authorized Customs and Border Protection to buy unarmed Predators in 2005. Officials in charge of the fleet cite broad authority to work with police from budget requests to Congress that cite "interior law enforcement support" as part of their mission.
In an interview, Michael C. Kostelnik, a retired Air Force general who heads the office that supervises the drones, said Predators are flown "in many areas around the country, not only for federal operators, but also for state and local law enforcement and emergency responders in times of crisis."
But former Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), who sat on the House homeland security intelligence subcommittee at the time and served as its chairwoman from 2007 until early this year, said no one ever discussed using Predators to help local police serve warrants or do other basic work.
Using Predators for routine law enforcement without public debate or clear legal authority is a mistake, Harman said.
"There is no question that this could become something that people will regret," said Harman, who resigned from the House in February and now heads the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, a Washington think tank.
In 2008 and 2010, Harman helped beat back efforts by Homeland Security officials to use imagery from military satellites to help domestic terrorism investigations. Congress blocked the proposal on grounds it would violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars the military from taking a police role on U.S. soil.
Proponents say the high-resolution cameras, heat sensors and sophisticated radar on the border protection drones can help track criminal activity in the United States, just as the CIA uses Predators and other drones to spy on militants in Pakistan, nuclear sites in Iran and other targets around the globe.
For decades, U.S. courts have allowed law enforcement to conduct aerial surveillance without a warrant. They have ruled that what a person does in the open, even behind a backyard fence, can be seen from a passing airplane and is not protected by privacy laws.
Advocates say Predators are simply more effective than other planes. Flying out of earshot and out of sight, a Predator B can watch a target for 20 hours nonstop, far longer than any police helicopter or manned aircraft.
"I am for the use of drones," said Howard Safir, former head of operations for the U.S. Marshals Service and former New York City police commissioner. He said drones could help police in manhunts, hostage situations and other difficult cases.
But privacy advocates say drones help police snoop on citizens in ways that push current law to the breaking point.
"Any time you have a tool like that in the hands of law enforcement that makes it easier to do surveillance, they will do more of it," said Ryan Calo, director for privacy and robotics at the Stanford Law School's Center for Internet and Society.
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
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dadevil
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SPY in the SKY ABOVE US will be 24/7 SOON - SOON TO BE THEY WILL MONITOR YOUR THOUGHTS
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211,0,726...
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dadevil
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JangoFetish
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Predator drones are kick ass! Best way to win a war....or find a cow.
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JangoFetish
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noxidereus
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"They hate our freedom" - George W Bush (on why we were attacked 9/11).
Who hates our freedom exactly? Terrorists? Hmmm. Who are the terrorists again?
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noxidereus
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CalgarC
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wtf
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CalgarC
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CalgarC:
yes, my thoughts exactly
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squarethecircle
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Anonmaly
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Shoot them down.
Better yet get a "bow-fishing" rig, steal the bitches right out of the sky and enjoy a new toy your tax dollars paid for......
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Anonmaly
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artemis6
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It was only a matter of time .
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artemis6
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squarethecircle
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artemis6:
on our present path, yes
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squarethecircle
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NiceN
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You're telling me we use this on US soil and still don't have a car that drives itself, which could potentially eliminate or lessen traffic related deaths? The US has turned into an ass backwards military state.
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NiceN
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NiceN:
most certainly seems to be the case
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squarethecircle
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wolfess
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what a person does in the open, even behind a backyard fence, can be seen from a passing airplane and is not protected by privacy laws.
Damn! I guess I better stop peeing in my fenced-in backyard :-)!I agree with Calo -- using it to do surveillance is heading down a slippery slope that I think is not only wrong, but borders on the criminal as we are supposed to have at least a modicum of freedom and this, in my mind, breaks laws regarding our freedoms.
Pwr 2 the 99%! Dismember the 1% and their political WHORES!
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wolfess
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wolfess:
cell phones...public domain, aerial footage ...public domain? I guess if you claim it all it just is?
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Wyley_Wombat
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wolfess:
Yes they can watch "heathen rites" from the air this coming Solstice
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Wyley_Wombat
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wolfess
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Wyley_Wombat:
I do my sabbats skyclad -- good thing these drones are unmanned otherwise they might crash and burn if they tried to 'surveil' me up close :-)!
Pwr 2 all skyclad witches! Dismember the 1% and their police drones!
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wolfess
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thinkingfree
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Well if this don't take the cake. I had no idea this was going on. So this is how uncle Sam is going to keep DOD contracts going once we get out of the Middle East. Just keep up the same work only on Americans instead. Freedom and privacy is lost. We might as well be living in the good ole USSR. Hand me the vodka, I need a drink.
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thinkingfree
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Gravity_Man
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thinkingfree:
When th' drones start swooping down from two miles up dropping big nets over us as we run our lives will be complete.
Especially when we get thrown into the cage with the pretty actress with the long hair, and plus she doesn't know how to blog.
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Gravity_Man
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thinkingfree:
Maybe the big nets dropping on your head will hurt less after some vodka! Later they'll throw ya in a cage with the actress who can't blog er talk. Linda somebody as I recall. You might not like the firehose though.
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Gravity_Man
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thinkingfree
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Gravity_Man:
Linda Lovelace? Sure, I'm in.
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thinkingfree
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thinkingfree:
whether you like it or not
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ahonnet
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There are several troubling items in this article, but the line that blatantly accepts that we are using similar drones in Pakistan and Iran (two countries with which we are not at "war") is 90% of the problem. We have allowed our government to illegally use tactics like these across the globe. How can we be surprised that they are now admitting to using them against us? We first need to admit that we have a problem. Most of the citizenry doesn't believe we do.
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ahonnet
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Johnny_Los_Angeles
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We live in a fascist police state why would this surprise anyone?
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Johnny_Los_Angeles
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Johnny_Los_Angeles:
no surprise...just documenting and passing on to those that might be.
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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Fellow Americans, admit it! We no longer have a legitimate U.S. Government; (as defined by Political Science, a government which the people believe in and find credible). The United Corporate Government replaced The United States Government, which we either accept or reject. It's exclusively in our hands and on our shoulders.
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bailey78
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I wonder whats next?? Dropping smart bombs on folks they think are growing a little pot.
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bailey78
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Scott_Pert:
You have seen Asimo They have a jump on us when they no longer have to send their people to war. Then it will be just a matter of time before they start learning that they are really in control and revolt.
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bailey78
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Wyley_Wombat
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bailey78:
No they will be using Agent Orange for that
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Wyley_Wombat
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bailey78
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Wyley_Wombat:
But like so many others i grow indoors. So the Herb thieves and the PoPo don't get it.
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bailey78
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Scott_Pert:
Happy Holidays to you to my friend how goes the days for you?
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bailey78
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squarethecircle
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I know this seems like a good use of technology to save man power, but this sets a dangerous precedent when added to the litigation coming from our elected officials.
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squarethecircle
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Gravity_Man
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squarethecircle:
This will all be PAST AND FORGOTTEN soon enough. All of this garbage goes away soon at the battle for Earth between Christ Jesus vs Satan's Anti~Christ.
Looks like the Anti~Christ is going to kill many more people than Jesus' angels JUST LIKE BUSINESS AS USUAL WAR.
The Anti~Christ gets his monies from you the taxpayers, paying for your own murder. There's poetic justice in that several times over.
You who pay for the drone shall die by the drone.
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Gravity_Man
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Gravity_Man:
love the drone analogy...it is a hard, but exciting time to be alive here
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squarethecircle:
I always liked Charlton Heston's line when he threw the stones. Never thought I'd get ta use it. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.
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squarethecircle:
I guess what happens next in the script will be a buncha folks falling into the fiery lava when the ground opens up.
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Gravity_Man
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Gravity_Man:
could be without paying attention
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