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Apocalypse not now: 2012 doomsday debunked

source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45834574/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.TwJStTVSTw0

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Artist's conception of the rogue planet Nibiru, or Planet X.

On Dec. 21, 2012, many doomsday believers fear the apocalypse — anything from a rogue planet smashing into us to our world spinning end over end. However, the world should expect nothing more next year than the winter solstice, the longest night of the year, NASA says.

Many people point to the end of the Mayan Long Count calendar on Dec. 21, 2012 as evidence of the coming apocalypse, but astronomers have been quick to stress that there is nothing to be concerned about.

According to the ancient Mayan calendar, next year's winter solstice marks the end of a 144,000-day cycle. This cycle, which begins at the mythical Maya creation date, has already been repeated 12 times. The 13th will end in 2012, capping a full 5,200-year Mayan cycle of creation.

This date has long been shrouded in mystery, with many claiming that it will bring destruction to our planet.

Rogue planet Nibiru?

One fear is that a rogue planet that has been dubbed "Nibiru" or "Planet X" is supposedly aimed at Earth. Self-proclaimed Nibiru expert Nancy Lieder, who says she is in contact with the aliens from Zeta Reticuli, first said Nibiru would cause widespread disaster in May 2003, only to change it to Dec. 21, 2012.

There is, however, no evidence that Nibiru is real.

"Nibiru is ridiculous because it doesn't exist — it never existed as anything other than a figment of the imagination by pseudo-scientists who don't seem bothered by a complete lack of evidence," astronomer Don Yeomans, manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object program office at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., told SPACE.com.

There is no basis for the claim that it might be lurking behind the sun, as it could not have hidden from observation until now, Yeomans said. If such a planet was headed toward Earth by Dec. 21, 2012, it would already be visible to the naked eye.

Cosmic alignments?

There are also concerns that planets or stars might line up in ways that will transform Earth. For instance, some theorists claim that from our point of view, the sun will cross in front of the plane of our galaxy on Dec. 21. However, the sun already does this twice a year, Yeomans said.

In fact, the sun will eventually cross the plane of our galaxy. However, the sun is about 67 light-years from the galactic plane, so it should take several million years to do so, Yeomans said. Even then, when our solar system finally does cross the plane, nothing special will occur, he added.

Some also claim that gravitational effects from planets lining up with each other will somehow affect Earth. However, there is no planetary alignment due on Dec. 21, 2012, "and if there were, it wouldn't cause any problems," Yeomans said.

The only bodies that have any significant gravitational impact on Earth are the moon and the sun, effects we see as the tides. Tidal effects from other bodies in our solar system are negligible at best, and in any case, we have experienced them for millions of years without notice.

Solar storms?

Solar storms — deluges of energetic particles from the sun — do happen, usually waxing and waning in cycles that last roughly 11 years. When these charged particles collide with Earth, they can trigger auroras and damage satellites and power lines, although not really inflicting any lasting harm, Yeomans said.

There are accounts of a solar "super-storm" slamming into Earth in 1859. Although that caused relatively little damage back then, there are concerns that such a storm might cause far more harm now that our world is more dependent on electronics.
Yet, there is no evidence that such a super-storm will happen on Dec. 21 of next year, Yeomans said.

Flip-flopping Earth?

There is some alarm that 2012 could see the flipping of Earth's poles — either the planet's geographical poles, which mark the Earth's axis of rotation, or its magnetic poles, which our compasses point toward.

But, there is no reason to fear such an occurrence, scientists said, because the moon stabilizes our planet's spin. The planet's magnetic poles do flip, but over periods of about 500,000 years, and not suddenly, "but over thousands of years," with no evidence of a flip on Dec. 21, 2012, Yeomans said.

Even if the planet's magnetic poles do flip, no real problems would occur, other than the inconvenience of us having to change our compasses from north to south, he added.

Cosmic impacts?

The Earth is always vulnerable to impacts by comets and asteroids, but giant impacts are rare, with the last major collision taking place 65 million years ago, ending the Age of Dinosaurs.

Still, astronomers do monitor the sky for near-Earth objects.

"There are no known near-Earth objects in 2012 that present a credible risk to Earth," Yeomans said. "None, zero, zip, nada."

But despite evidence to the contrary, doomsdays theorists have garnered attention, and similar prophecies will continue to proliferate unless scientists become more involved in bringing truth to these outlandish claims, Yeomans said.

Mounting hysteria regarding these unfounded doomsday predictions "will improve only if scientists get more engaged in debunking pseudoscience," he said.
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95 comments // Apocalypse not now: 2012 doomsday debunked

  • Larisa_Frolova
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      Larisa_Frolova  

    • Comment on "the Apocalypse Portal '2012"
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      I found the Apocalyplse 2012 portal about four months ago. My quest for Truth and answers to some questions took me there. I should say straight away that the presented material is not simple and easily accessible to most people. Working out what is what will take time. However, desire, true desire to understand the situation, find answers and quench one’s hunger for knowledge will be a great help for a newcomer to the portal. I would like to share my experience and tell you how the portal affected me and how I was studying its content.

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      .http://www.aires-apocalypse.com/for-those-who-are-visiting-the-site-for-the-firs...

    • 2 months ago
  • Larisa_Frolova
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      Larisa_Frolova  

    • The portal is a contemporary decoding of the most famous and mysterious prophecy of all times – Revelation to St. John the Evangelist also known as the Apocalypse written on Patmos Island in the late 1st century A.D. The proposed diagram is the chronology of events unfolded linearly.
      Read more.. http://www.aires-apocalypse.com/

    • 2 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Larisa_Frolova
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Larisa_Frolova:

      I am glad to meet a truth seeker on here. You might want to know that Rev. Ch. 7 shows us only one group is allowed to survive the great tribulation. Your portal may have many aspects of truth, I do not know, but that is the way Satan misleads many by showing glimpses of Light. JW's are getting the full spectrum, not glimpses, so I hope you expand your search to include us.

    • 2 months ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  

    • I say that on the slim, 1 in (pick a number close to infinity to fill this blank) chance that there is a 2012 Apocalypse, it will be zombies. FAST zombies.

    • 5 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      Future History Test, somewhere in downtown Zombie world, multiple choice => The most recent Mass Extinction Event happened to A) dinosaurs B) butterflies C) human dingbats who couldn't get off crude oil for love or money even when given the equation: 1. Combustion Engines = Friction 2. Friction = Heat 3. Heat = Steam 4. Steam = No-Fossil Fuel Steam Engines.

      Enclose that inside a second cylinder running gasoline replaces nuclear power plants sshhh we don't wanna CHANGE HISTORY.

      Quick! Somebody erase the word "stackable" from all dictionaries!

    • 5 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • WATCHER2
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      WATCHER2  

    • some of you may take this as a joke..however this planet DOES exist and it is coming back into our solar system..NASA, bless it's heart is a government controlled agency...i say to you watch and wait..wonders are to occurr

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • WATCHER2:

      It is indeed a joke. NASA is not the only astronomy and astrophysics organization in the world, you know, and there are many independent organizations as well as well-equipped astronomers. If that planet did exist, they'd have long told the world. However, they all scoff at the myth of Niburu which originated in a work of fiction.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • deane
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      deane  

    • If nothing else 2012 might be the year the Mayans rejuvenate their legacy. It is unfortunate that the doomsday theory gets the attention in today's culture, when the focus could be on learning from their civilization. With physics we push the boundaries of imagination, speculation, and we make great progress. With our ancient history we stay simple and safe, and focus on the worst of the speculators.

    • 5 months ago
  • ThirdSection
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • deane:

      Man's "progress-thru-Physics" leaves a lot to be desired. It always comes with cowpie meringue dessert (new weapons of War that always get used on little people, and their children)..

    • 5 months ago
  • deane
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      deane  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Weapons of war were used long before the progress of physics. War does not need advanced physics to exist. Anyway I was not touting the applications of physics, just the leap in knowledge they have attained.

    • 1 month ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • deane:

      No, but between scientists and physicists multiple billions of people died in wars of the last century. Your estimation of "leap in knowledge" leaves MUCH TO BE DESIRED. They managed to STRAFE THE PLANET WITH DEADLY CHEMICALS (leftover war chemicals) THAT INCREASED CANCER & DISEASES that they now struggle to reverse (what they did to those billion's children who survived).

      Our health today testifies to my assessment. You of course will have to post back to me how wrong I am. Don't be bashful. Everybody does it.

    • 5 months ago
  • deane
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      deane  
    • Gravity_Man:

      It is not that you are wrong, it is that you are arguing against something I am not saying. I never said that the progress of physics is beneficial, I only pointed out the knowledge they have gained and as opposed to the lack of knowledge attained in our historian and archeological fields.

    • 5 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • deane:

      You mean there's a DIFFERENCE? So what if they make advances in knowledge => all they do is stick it up on the top shelf in the cupboard where no one gets it.

      Up there alongside Tesla and Floyd Sweet. Hoarded.

    • 5 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • deane:

      Five & six years ago I came across a report where an inventor had stumbled across a way to break down trash to the molecular level. DO YOU SEE ONE IN WAL-MART? NO.

      The List goes On & On & On. They do figure stuff out. I have too. But the advances go into a freezer section in a warehouse never seen again.

      Ahh, but their FUNDING CONTINUES. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

    • 5 months ago
  • pjacobs51
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
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      Johnny_Los_Angeles  

    • I just filled out my calendar for 2012 put in all the movies coming out I want to see, and blu ray releases, birthdays etc etc, I put TEOTWAWKI down for Dec 21st, thats The End Of The World As We Know It just in case, ( I mean you never know) and in the mean time I am going to enjoy life as much as I can, I cant save the world or myself if it comes to that, so I might was well have a good time till then. And if things are looking dicey around Dec 21st, I will get together with family and friends and have a few drinks (I don't drink). ;-)

      P.S. FYI The Hobbit comes out one week before on Dec 14th so that will probably be the last thing we get to see at the movies.....maybe they can use that for the advertising? ;-)

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • JustZ
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      JustZ  

    • We needed scientists to confirm that these ancient myths weren't actually going to occur? What am I saying; half the world still wants to kill one another over ancient literature. Evolution simply isn't occurring fast enough.

    • 5 months ago
  • remanns
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • ThirdSection
  • coolplanet
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  

    • The ancient Mesoamericans had no concept of apocalypse or planet X. These are Christian and New Age beliefs we impose upon their culture.
      13 B'aktun (12/21/12) is based on astronomy. It marks one full cycle of the 25,630 year Grand Cycle* of the Mesoamerican calenders which also happens to be one full Precession of the Equinoxes.
      This is a time to honor the amazing accomplishments of the Maya and Aztec and Zapotec astronomers and calender makers who, thousands of years ago, invented a time keeping system more accurate than what we use today.
      As for doom and gloom we shouldn't blame the Maya for the horrible situation we have brought on all by ourselves.

      *The Grand Cycle is five Great Cycles of 5,126 years each

    • 5 months ago
  • ThirdSection
  • coolplanet
  • VFORVENDETTA
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      VFORVENDETTA  

    • Jesus H. fuckin Christ, I can't believe this stupid bullshit is being talked about YET AGAIN! Hell, why not bring up Bigfoot or the Lock Ness monster while were at it?

    • 1 year ago
  • ThirdSection
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • JustZ
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      Hey, I encountered Bigfoot while camping in Cranberry Glades Wilderness, West Virginia, back in the winter of 1977. We were cooking a roast when we heard the most spine-tingling shriek, the snapping of trees, and smelled the most gawd-awful odor you can imagine. We built up the fire and it went away. The next morning I saw how it got its name from the huge tracks in the snow.

    • 5 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      How tragic! An entire year you'll have to be hearing the doomsday word, EVERY DAY! In our version of Doomsday (Rev. Ch. 7) there's a group that survives and the Earth is transformed into the Paradise it once was.

      We aren't the Space Dust Group. We're the group who believes Jesus is going to give us the same bodily strength he enjoyed when on earth, that group. Our strength will justify bone strength we have now.

    • 5 months ago
  • remanns
  • remanns
  • remanns
  • Wyley_Wombat
  • alexandrek
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • alexandrek
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      I do what I can to let people know the Bible has some intricate teachings. Being on full disability restricts me to the hacienda. I do not have the ability to adjust to hot and cold outdoor temperatures.

      I spend my time in prison, since 1989 actually. My incarceration has gone way longer than any Nelson Mandela. Mine is for Life. Mandela got out. I won't be walking out of my prison.

    • 5 months ago
  • Alaskajoe
  • circlesquared
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      circlesquared  

    • this post was put on the MSNBC home page for a reason, so every individual that might come across any of these subjects can simply say that was debunked...if you looking for truth don't go to your web browser and think you 'll find it...also stay away from NASA they lie both literally and through lack of disclosure. Research some of these topics if you want information, but don't just buy in because it shows up in your face on your computer when you turn it on.

    • 5 months ago
  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • Vierotchka
  • circlesquared
  • circlesquared
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • circlesquared:

      Are you implying that my astrophysicist and scientist friends are liars? I can guarantee you that they are not liars, neither are they referring to a single source but are referring to their own work and research.

    • 5 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • Vierotchka
  • circlesquared
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      circlesquared  
    • Vierotchka:

      Could manage the Italian and French is my mother's middle name...not so much the Nordic languages. Thanks Vierotchka for your time and thoughts...isn't it beautiful how we can all have different ones but still respect someone else's, none the loss?

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • circlesquared:

      Alors je vais essayer de te mettre en contact avec mon ami astrophysicien. Il vient de déménager et habite près de Lyon, et se remet d'un grave accident de voiture qui lui a bousillé une jambe. Je vais voir s'il est prêt à te répondre, s'il en a le temps.

    • 5 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • Vierotchka
  • VFORVENDETTA
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      VFORVENDETTA  
    • Vierotchka:

      I would like to respond with a unsolicited two cents worth, I have noticed that you have a tendency to point out others' grammatical errors, including once my own, we are human, we make mistakes, and your corrections regardless of their intent, or hurtful, we are starting a new year, I generally admire your post and your intelligence, but your tendency towards being hypercritical, is extremely unpleasant, please relax, and give others the benefit of the doubt, or stated another way;

      Ars longa,
      Vita brevis,
      Occasio praeceps,
      Experimentum periculosum,
      Iudicium difficile.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
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    • circlesquared:

      Okay, I talked to my French astrophysicist friend in Lyon. He told me he is swamped with such questions and doesn't have the time nor the inclination to engage on a one-on-one conversation on the subject with dozens and dozens of people. However, he did take the time to send me an email for your benefit with the following:

      Dans sa chronique sur Canoë, l'astrophysicien Hubert Reeves donne son avis sur la date du 21 décembre 2012, le calendrier maya et les tremblements de terre des derniers mois.

      Hubert Reeves signale qu'il reçoit beaucoup de courrier provenant de personnes qui s'inquiètent des événements récents (notamment les tremblements de terre en Haïti et au Chili) et qui mettent ces cataclysmes en rapport avec une présumée apocalypse en l'an 2012.

      Certaines de ces personnes croient que ces catastrophes constituent une «vengeance» de la Terre, à cause de la pollution créée par les activités humaines.

      Hubert Reeves déclare très clairement qu'il s'agit là de déclarations fantaisistes.

      http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/chroniques/hubertreeves/archives/2010/03/20100314-09592...

      La fin du monde est en 2012... ou peut-être pas!
      Pascal Lapointe, le 10 novembre 2009, 11h00

      (Agence Science-Presse) La fin est proche... Comme si le H1N1 ne suffisait pas à nous angoisser, voilà que le film 2012 nous rappelle que les Mayas l’ont prédit : le 21 décembre 2012, ce sera la fin du monde... ou peut-être pas? Les Mayas ont-ils vraiment dit cela?

      Qui étaient les Mayas?

      Réunissant plusieurs groupes ethniques, la société maya fleurit en Amérique centrale entre les années 200 et 900. Elle est célèbre pour sa planification urbaine, ses pyramides, son écriture, ses mathématiques et son astronomie. Le cœur de cette civilisation se situait dans ce qui est aujourd’hui le sud du Mexique et l’État voisin du Guatemala.

      Le calendrier maya dit que...

      On vous arrête tout de suite : le calendrier maya... n’existe pas! On compte au moins 17 calendriers, et ils étaient utilisés simultanément, parce que chacun avait un usage différent : agriculture, administration, religion, etc.

      La plupart couvraient des cycles relativement courts : 260 jours pour le calendrier rituel Tzolk’in, 365 jours pour le Haab. En combinant ces deux petits cycles, les Mayas obtenaient un grand cycle de 52 ans, ce qui suffisait, dans le cours d’une vie, pour couvrir la plupart des circonstances.

      Mais pour prédire des événements astronomiques, ou pour garder l’Histoire en mémoire, il fallait davantage que 52 ans. Les Mayas inventèrent donc une solution mathématique, et c’est elle qui nous conduit à la date fatidique de 2012.

      Pourquoi 2012?

      Cette solution s’appelle le compte long. Il s’agit d’une séquence de cinq chiffres, allant de 1 à 20. En effet, là où nous calculons sur une base de 10, eux calculaient sur une base de 20. C’est ainsi que le jour 1 est 0.0.0.0.1, le jour 21 est 0.0.0.1.1, et ainsi de suite. Avec une telle méthode de calcul, on peut couvrir environ 5126 ans. Il faut bien souligner « environ »... parce que les Mayas tenaient compte des années bissextiles, mais pas aussi précisément que nous. De sorte qu’après 5126 ans, des marges d’erreur commencent à apparaître...

      Quel était le jour 1 de ce calendrier? Deux stèles font référence à l’an 3114 av. J.-C. et des experts ont avancé plus précisément la date du 11 août 3114 av. J.-C. S’ils ont raison, cela nous conduit, au terme du compte long, entre le 21 décembre et le 23 décembre 2012. Brrr...

      C’est donc par ce calendrier à long terme que les Mayas ont prédit la fin du monde pour décembre 2012?

      Eh bien non, ce calendrier ne prédit pas du tout la fin du monde! C’est juste un système de calcul qui, après 5126 ans, arrive en bout de course et repart donc à zéro. L’équivalent de l’odomètre d’une voiture qui, après 99 999 kilomètres, passe à zéro (en général, ça ne signifie pas la mort de la voiture!). Ou l’équivalent de notre propre calendrier qui passe de 1999 à 2000.

      Autrement dit, ce qui s’achève en décembre 2012, c’est un cycle. En fait, même l’an 3114 av. J.-C. ne correspondait pas, aux yeux des Mayas, à la création du monde, mais à la fin du cycle précédent et au début du nôtre. Une stèle retrouvée à Tikal (Guatemala) fait référence à un événement mythique qui serait survenu... 5 millions d’années plus tôt! On l’attribue à un dirigeant maya qui, en s’associant aux dieux du passé, voulait légitimer son pouvoir sur le présent, explique l’anthropologue Louise Paradis, de l’Université de Montréal.

      Cela signifie que les Mayas croyaient qu’un très grand nombre de cycles s’étaient écoulés avant eux, et qu’un très grand nombre de cycles s’écouleraient... après 2012!

      On entend souvent dire qu'un alignement des planètes du système solaire se produira le 21 décembre 2012, date qui coïncide avec la fin d'un compte long d'un calendrier maya - selon l'interprétation la plus couramment acceptée - et d'autres événements annoncés.

      Or, il est très simple de vérifier si ce sera le cas car les orbites des planètes sont connues avec une très grande précision, ce qui nous permet de connaître la configuration du système solaire des années (ou même des siècles) à l'avance.

      Sur le site de la Nasa, on peut utiliser un «Simulateur de système solaire», un outil qui fournit la position relative des planètes. Pour la date du 21 décembre 2012, on ne voit aucun alignement de planètes.

      On peut aussi vérifier les calculs avec le «générateur de cartes du ciel» (YourSky) qu'on trouve sur Fourmilab.ch.

      On note qu'il y aura un petit alignement Jupiter, Terre et Mercure le 17 décembre 2012, et un autre alignement mineur de Jupiter avec la Terre et Vénus le 23 décembre 2012, mais ces configurations n’ont vraiment rien d’exceptionnel.

      Vous pourrez comparer le résultat avec des dates d’alignements planétaires majeurs comme le 5 mai 2000 (Soleil, Mercure, Vénus, Terre, Mars, Jupiter et Saturne) ou le 4 février 1962. Aucune conséquence, et encore moins des catastrophes, n'a été constatée au cours de ces alignements car les planètes sont si lointaines que leur force gravitationnelle sur la Terre est pratiquement indécelable.

      Il est à noter que le prochain alignement important se produira le 8 septembre 2040, alors que Mercure, Vénus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturne et la Lune seront groupés dans une portion du ciel assez restreinte.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  

    • I admit that I once entertained the idea of the earth's poles being reversed at some point, but I've never bought into most of this 2012 nonsense.

      I still remember clearly the fearmongering hype over the coming of year 2000 and what a load of crap that turned out to be.

    • 7 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • maasanova:

      The Y2K fears were well founded - what avoided the catastrophe is the fact that, all over the world, tens of thousands of computer experts and engineers familiar with the old computer languages were hired and worked 7/7 for months to update and correct the data in all the old computers that were used in running hospitals, airports, electric plants, etc. My brother was among them. They were extremely well paid and fully deserved it as they effectively averted a global series of catastrophes.

    • 5 months ago
  • Itsbatman_Durr
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      Itsbatman_Durr  
    • Vierotchka:

      very true! the reason we escaped problems of a catastrophic nature was we took the threat seriously and acted upon it. imagine if we treated it as we treat 2012 issues, and just dismissed them as kooky, and all the programmers decided fuck cobol and pasqual and fixing the clocks, whats the worst that can happen lol

    • 5 months ago
  • Joeydee44
  • MikeBallantine2012
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • PetEr_Alan_ColE:

      That's very reassuring to know that everybody else failed also. We failed to break off from the herd looks like so by all rights every single one of us should die.

      Unless we get a very powerful lawyer to argue on our behalf.

    • 5 months ago
  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • jubal
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
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      Johnny_Los_Angeles  

    • First off when it comes to threats like asteroids there are only a handful of astronomers looking and they have to be looking in the right place and right time to see a new one, and its a proven fact that they sometimes only see them months even weeks before they may pass near the earth. And it hardly matters anyway as we have no way to deflect an asteroid anyways heck we dont even have a space shuttle anymore.

      Secondly there are threats like Gama Ray Bursts and Supernovas that can happen at anytime with little or no warning.

      Thirdly the Yellowstone super volcano has been acting up and could erupt anytime.

      Fourthly I am sure we only know a small fraction of what is really going on out there in the universe and most likely if something wipes it us out it will be the one thing we knew absolutely nothing about till it was too late.

      And last but not least, humans seem to be a good job of messing up the planet we really dont need any help from the outside to destroy ourselves.

    • 5 months ago
  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
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    • Bible teaching holds that the Earth will be here forever => http://concordance.biblebrowser.com/al3/ecclesiastes/1-4.htm but this "world" run of the Rich, for the Politicians, by their Wives is going down.

      We just have to get past the part where the Anti~Christ gets to face the real Christ at a place called Armageddon first, where they get extinguished. Then we will have what is called Peace on Earth.

      Ya can't have Peace on Earth if the Earth isn't around. HAHAHA You guys slay me sometimes though. Armageddon is a screen door. Not everyone makes it through. Screen doors are great. They keep out the flies. What we have today is a world without screen doors, and the world filled up with flies.

      DUH. Everything gets corrected soon. By Jesus. But you all can debunk the other prophets all you want. No problem here.

      http://www.watchtower.org/e/kt/article_01.htm#

    • 5 months ago
  • JangoFetish
  • Gravity_Man
  • JangoFetish
    • +1
      JangoFetish  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Your post like many others on this site are hate speech and therefore a waste of time to read. You liberals always preach against hate speech but you are such hypocrates! You talk about Christians in such hateful ways. If I were to talk that way about another group it would be called "hate speech". But as long as it is just against Christians and not muslims (ect) it is okay I suppose.

    • 5 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Joeydee44
  • deane
  • deane
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      deane  

    • Debunking pseudoscience is a pseudoscience. Yes science knows more and more about our universe everyday, yet there is still much more to learn. To me 2012 might be significant in some way, not necessarily an apocalypse, in reference to the Mayans, significant in some way because maybe the Mayans learned more about this universe than we have. What the Mayans might have learned is a big if, what is not an if, is they were quite an impressive civilization.

    • 5 months ago
  • kennymotown
    • +2
      kennymotown  

    • It's Not a doomsday event, it's a new age! A new GOLDEN AGE of reason and the downfall of the Reptilian brain. Proof, well look around, Spring Uprisings all around the World. We've entered an energy field in the Cosmic space we are currently in sometime 6 months ago, it will last for another year. Besides that the date foretold is December 21st of 2012, a changing of mans reason! Screw all though's that have been keeping the thumb down on mankind, dictators, religion, and GREEDY BASTARDS!

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • kennymotown
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • ThirdSection
    • +2
      ThirdSection  

    • Mounting hysteria over unfounded doomsday prediction means I can sell a bunch of elementary-level books "proving" what's "about to happen" to a bunch of idiots.

      Also, I need to work on my spooky voice so I can make YouTube videos.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
    • +4
      Vierotchka  

    • This cannot be said enough, because there still is a vast number of otherwise intelligent people out there who believe in this 2012 Doomsday nonsense...

    • 5 months ago
  • KB723
  • KB723
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