Supreme Court Rules Works can be pulled out of Public Domain and Re-Copyrighted.
source: http://gizmodo.com/5877740/supreme-court-gives-the-go-ahead-for-re+copyrighting-public-domai...
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But the US Supreme Court ruled Wednesday in Golan v. Holder, that Congress can remove works from the public domain and re-copyright them in order to bring the pieces into compliance with international copyright schemes. Yeah, because that doesn't run completely against the spirit of copyright law or anything.
For one reason or another, the American copyright protections of many famous, foreign works—including H.G. Wells' Things to Come, Fritz Lang's Metropolis, Prokofiev's Classical Symphony and Peter and the Wolf, Shostakovich's Symphony 14, Cello Concerto and everything by Igor Stravinsky—moved into the public domain despite still being copyrighted overseas. To "correct" this issue, Congress passed legislation in 1994 that would move the works in question back to protected status and comply with the Berne Convention, an international copyright treaty.
This week, the Supreme Court ruled on a case brought by a coalition of educators, performers, and film archivists who rely on public domain works such as these for their livelihoods. If these pieces are place back under copyright, this group (like everybody else) simply can't use them. However in a 6-2 ruling—Justices Stephen Breyer and Samuel Alito dissenting—the Court ruled that bringing these works into agreement with the international treaty did not violate the First Amendment rights of those people using the works as they are now (no, those folks will just have to pay licensing fees to perform), nor does it set a precedent for Congress to eventually push for perpetual copyright protections.
In his dissent, Justice Breyer stated that the congressional legislation,
"bestows monetary rewards only on owners of old works in the American public domain. At the same time, the statute inhibits the dissemination of those works, foreign works published abroad after 1923, of which there are many millions, including films, works of art, innumerable photographs, and, of course, books - books that (in the absence of the statute) would assume their rightful places in computer-accessible databases, spreading knowledge throughout the world."...
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MotherForTruth
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Interesting post, I will read up more on this subject. Thank you for sharing.
- 4 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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jim_b
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Just play the Chinese knockoff version in a few weeks.
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jim_b
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remanns
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its a crock.
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remanns
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fiberbundle
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Copyrights and patents are agreements requiring international cooperation and self policing by parties to the agreement. If a treaty is validated by Congress, then why wouldn't the Court enforce its provisions? What does the 1st Amendment have to do with it? What position are the opponents to this decision going to take if a climate treaty is ratified and the Court enforces one of its provisions, especially if Congress has also passed reinforcing legislation to implement the treaty.
- 4 months ago
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fiberbundle
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Dagum
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fiberbundle:
Because of the hierarchy of law. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, than the Federal statutes, than treaties, than court opinions, than administrative regulations.
If there is a conflict between any of these sources of law the one higher up on the hierarchy wins.
Therefore you can't circumvent the Constitution by a treaty as a treaty is a much lower form of law. If a treaty conflicts with the first amendment the first amendment wins.
- 4 months ago
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Dagum
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fiberbundle
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Dagum:
Your hierarchy is correct, but I don't follow why you think this Supreme Court decision is in conflict with the rules you just stated. Congress ratified the treaty and the Supreme Court upheld Congress, right? There is no First amendment issue here that I can see.
- 4 months ago
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fiberbundle
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Dagum
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fiberbundle:
Well there is the rub isn't it?
Even if the Supreme Court is corrupt to core it isn't going to be obvious and say "yes the treaty conflicts with the 1st amendment, but we will uphold it over the 1st amendment." No the Supreme court will say "conflict? what conflict? I don't see any conflict with the 1st amendment."
And that's essentially what they've done. But more obvious with the other Constitutional violation the petitioners alleged. A violation of Article I, Section 8, Clause 8, The copy rights clause:
Which reads, “The Congress shall have power . . . To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."
At issue was the word "limited", and after over 200 years how that could suddenly be read to allow the re-copyrighting of public domain material.
- 4 months ago
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Dagum
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fiberbundle
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Dagum:
I'm not saying you' re wrong about the first Amendment issue; but I am saying I agree with the court on this issue. I see your point about the length of time to grant protection;but I don't see that how that term should be defined by any other body but Congress. So I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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fiberbundle
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artemis6
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A parting gift to the corporate overlords ... These people need another occupation !
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artemis6
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kennymotown
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artemis6:
Embaldo is everywhere!
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kennymotown
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artemis6
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kennymotown:
yes , indeed . And his army of oppressive lawyer-henchmen too ....
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artemis6
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Anonmaly
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Arghhh!!!
What we won't "steal" those too?
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Anonmaly
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warman1138
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Once again certain members of the supreme court perform for their corporate paymasters.
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warman1138
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artemis6
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warman1138:
Usually i read all the posts before commenting , this time i didn't , sorry to have echoed you .... voted up .
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artemis6
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warman1138
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This sucks, all this does is provide more profit to corporations forever.
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warman1138
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ioccupy12
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so what's the point in referring to it as, dare I say it, PUBLIC DOMAIN?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHtOUrNHGY&context=C349a90dADOEgsToPDskLPW9g...
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ioccupy12
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artemis6
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ioccupy12:
THESE "justices" ( boy , is that term being used loosely ) are PATHETIC excuses for American Citizens , let alone JUSTICES ! They are traitors to the people .
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artemis6
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ThirdSection
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And now the privatization of the public domain may commence in an orderly manner.
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ThirdSection
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dudefromtherock
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Total control of the population...mind and body.
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dudefromtherock
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kennymotown
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Thanks for the information my friend!
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kennymotown
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Dagum
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kennymotown:
The Supreme Court's decision was conveniently announced on Wednesday, the same day when everyone's attention was focused on the online Stop SOPA protests. It's still incredible something like this seems to have slipped under even the MSM's radar.
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Dagum
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kennymotown
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Dagum:
On purpose I have deduced!
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kennymotown
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jimstoner
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These guys need a kick in the pubic domain.
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jimstoner
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ThirdSection
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jimstoner:
That was bought, then removed by the corporations a long time ago.
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ThirdSection
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jimstoner
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They just hate the idea that there is something out there that they, meaning the fat cats, aren't making money off of. It won't be long before they are trying to make you pay for the air you breath. They will claim it's full of their product. Years of pollution.
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jimstoner
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KB723
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jimstoner:
Hmmm, I am sure Al Gore is behind that, asking for a Carbon Monoxide Tax???
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KB723
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rerushg
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KB723:
Be nice! Al gives us this nice sandbox to play in!
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rerushg
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rerushg
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jimstoner:
Add this to the note I sent you. Under "ACTA".
It's a wonderful world! - 4 months ago
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rerushg
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jimstoner
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KB723:
IT will give a whole new meaning to the I.R.S. chocking the life out of you. A new branch of government called the Federal Asphyxiation Bureau. Wouldn't that just be FAB?
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jimstoner
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KB723
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rerushg:
Lucky for Us??? Do you Not think he himself is contributing to the Patriot Act??? Do you think he and his 1% friends give an Shit about You and Yours???? I really doubt it!!! And I bet he is not even paying his Moderators a Living Wage Salary???
Can you Prove me wrong???
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KB723
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KB723
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jimstoner:
Are you Threatening Me???
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KB723
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jimstoner
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KB723:
Not that I'm aware of. Unless the F.A.B. wants to give me a job.
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jimstoner
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KB723
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jimstoner:
The F.A.B. Eh'????
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KB723
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rerushg
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KB723:
Dang! Struck a nerve, did I?
I don't really know anything about all the stuff around here. I figured you were posting this from Al's jet high over the Atlantic on your way to Paris for the weekend. No? - 4 months ago
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rerushg
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KB723
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rerushg:
No!!!!
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KB723
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jimstoner
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KB723:
Not in on the Al conversation. No threat intended.
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jimstoner
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KB723
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jimstoner:
Thanks....
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KB723
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Buddha2112
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Seriously.... Public domain is public domain, fuck that.
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Buddha2112
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Dagum
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And we just put SOPA into a comma... I guess Hollywood is running out of ways to make money so they have to be allowed to re-copyright old foreign movies in the public domain, and then sue people on youtube for piracy.
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Dagum
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MSII
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Dagum:
Since WhoreWood can't manage to do anything but re/se/pre-quels these days you may be onto something!
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MSII
