Massive volcanic eruptions caused Little Ice Age, froze the Thames

I don't blame you. It makes me sick.
Man can do no wrong and God will come to save the day.
It's unbelievable!

I'm convinced at this point it is more than ignorance. It's paranoia mixed with arrogance. Or perhaps in the case of those who "love CO2" a paying job.

Please remove this Jehovah's Witness BULLSHIT from this thread on science.

No can do, you. My weather comments are #1 in the most-printed book in the world and #2 are Spot On Topic.

You will have to get the Bible banned first, or have it declared illegal, then maybe you can make your demands. I see billions of people out here wanting to know the contents in that post. You're all alone, WAILS.

Majority Rule sets the ball over the line every time..

It's spam G_Man.

Ahh, someone else's ideas are spam. Got'cha. You are indeed an enlightened soul amongst souls.

Quoting from the much debunked, alarmist skepticalscience blog does nothing to forward your argument.

"...for the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, but the U.S. had its coldest winter in 25 years. "
I thought this was about warming, or did the warming cause the cooling?

You forget the basic thing here, the planet is not warming, hasn't been for fifteen years, and the planet did not begin it's life in 1948, so prove this weather (because that's what you're talking about here, not climate) didn't happen before 1948.

Also, "Like leaving the refrigerator door ajar, the Arctic "refrigerator" warmed" sorry, already debunked so many times.

I'm sorry but I'm bored with this nonsense.
Good try, but not good enough - Try again.

"I thought this was about warming, or did the warming cause the cooling?"

It's always been about climate extremes -- more severe droughts, floods, tornadoes, downpours, hurricanes, typhoons, heatwaves and blizzards-- all of which have been dramatically increasing during the past few decades just as predicted by climate scientists 50 years ago.

It's always been about anything you can grab hold of and blame man for - it's hilarious to watch!
Everything is blamed by the lunatic-fringe element of the environmental movement as being the fault of man, it's been happening for centuries. The days of lone men walking the streets with "the end is nigh" banners is long gone, he has been replaced by the extremists who tell us the planet is broken, we did it - it's all our fault, and if we don't tax CO2 - the end is nigh!!!
Come on, some things (and people) are just too stupid for words, surely you can see that?

Oh you are SO right. Man has never fucked up anything. History is just one glorious human acheivement after another! God put us here to conquer and subdue Nature. Man is a stunning example of perfect goodness to the rest of the Universe and we are its center!

Ya know, IceKat, sometimes I suspect that you are really Al Gore here to spur us on and hone our skills in debating the deniers.

S-C-I-E-N-C-E F-A-C-T-S..... I spelled it out for you so you can understand. Measurements of methane and CO2 have never been this high. Climate scientist have been saying the whole time about new weather extremes. The permafrost is melting and releasing methane....IT IS CALLED PERMAFROST BECAUSE IT USED TO BE PERMANENTLY FROZEN!!!!!!!!

THE 10 HOTTEST YEARS ON RECORD HAPPENED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.....

Do you read for comprehension or just wash your face with a book?????

...but you are right, "Come on, some things (and people) are just too stupid for words,"

That was good! I REALLY enjoyed that. Thanks for chiming in. :)

"Oh you are SO right. Man has never fucked up anything."
Sorry, where did I write that? Don't make things up to make yourself look better.

"I suspect that you are really Al Gore here to spur us on and hone our skills in debating the deniers."
I wrote to your leader (JfG) some time ago telling her that she could be useful in some circles, but due to her extremist and totalitarian views she is virtually useless in the real world. No-one in authority would ever take her seriously - believe me, I know!
Same goes for you, to a degree, though I respect the fact that you do seem to have a slightly more measured response to the debate, even though your 'science' is gleaned from known alarmists' blogs and you're easily sucked in by propaganda. And there's the problem. You have the intelligence to think for yourself yet you take what is often the most ridiculous crap and accept it without thinking.
If you thought about things for a while you might start to see things differently. Read a wider range of literature and then think about it, don't just take what the 'experts' say as gospel, I don't. And if you think my information comes only from one 'side' you'd be totally wrong.

Once you grow up and actually write something with intelligence and with a hint of respect I might write a suitable reply.
At least some people do try to include some reasoning in their comments, but your comment is just full of hate and insecurity.

All of North America's usual cold temps are being transferred around => added on top of other people's Winters? This is looking Worse & Worse.

Yes, it's all down to man's use of fossil fuels. The climate is broken and we did it. I feel so ashamed for having my coal fire on at the moment even though it's below freezing over here.
It's all my fault - IceKat broke your planet :(

The top is spinning crazily, which I call a Pendulum Swing. Your people THERE are using more coal, we over here using extremely LESS COAL, which will cause a rebound & rebound & rebound.

I don't particularly like my planet turning into an amusement park ride.

I'm fully aware that some parts of the Northern Hemisphere are experiencing extreme cold and snow. It's called Climate Change which brings weather extremes all around the planet.
But this article is about what caused the Little Ice Age. It was SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere from volcanoes, NOT changes in the Sun as deniers have long claimed.
This new study shows that small changes in Earth's atmosphere cause huge swings in temperatures globally. Too much SO2 and it gets dramatically colder. Too much CO2 and it gets dramatically hotter.
This has been accepted scientific fact for over 100 years. It's called the Greenhouse Effect.

Deep down your argument is that man can do no wrong.

Yes, the sun has nothing to do with climate or global temperatures. I get that. I mean, how could it? It's our only source of heat so how could it possibly have an effect?
I'm learning from you (thank you ever so much) that our entire climate/weather system is, and always has been, driven by SO2 and CO2. Now, if only we could convince everyone else of that, especially those nasty deniers!!!
Oh, and the greenhouse effect, yes agreed... a nice blanket of gases that keep us warm... understood ;)

If volcanoes did cause the Little Ice Age, and I'm not saying volcanoes didn't have an influence, it is plausible, that means it was warmer before that period and after. Does that mean reduced volcanic activity has caused the warming?
Was that period the only period of volcanic activity?
Why does that period coincide with a period of low sunspot numbers?
Does a period of low sunspot numbers cause volcanic activity?

Why did the BBC, usually first to promote man-made global warming, add this:
"“Analysis of the later phase of the Little Ice Age also suggests that changes in the Sun’s output, particularly in the ultraviolet part of the spectrum, would also have contributed cooling.”"

So the sun's output is a factor at times (and we know this) but not at other times?

So many questions. I'll leave it there, I don't want to give you too much to ignore.

"Deep down your argument is that man can do no wrong."

It would be so nice for you if I was to agree to that statement. Unfortunately for you, you're totally wrong!

Sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide are not the only drivers of climate. Methane and water vapor play a big role, as well as numerous other gasses, like hydrogen sulfide.

The greenhouse effect isn't just "a nice blanket of gases that keep us warm." It can also send us into an ice age according to the theory.

It doesn't even keep us warm, it regulates the temperature and that includes keeping us cool.
Water vapour is by far the most influential player in the atmosphere effect (it doesn't even resemble a greenhouse) and CO2, apart from the first few ppm, plays a very small part and is not responsible for the warming we saw in the last century.

The situation has worsened, and is now worsening even more, so exactly HOW LONG do you think you can stop the Panic yakking about your skiing ability?

I expect World Panic to set in 2-3 weeks into February soon as all these deficiently-educated people.realize THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN MANKIND'S HISTORY.

So you're going to fail; it's just a matter of which day & week in February. All the King's horses ~and all the King's ransom wages paid to IceKat~ can't stop it.

Oh, it's worse than we thought?
Ok, let's meet here again at the end of February (if we survive that long) and see how much the world panicked because of the weather.

You're an across-the-board, blanket denier of many things. We'll see how you can stay sane when everyone around you goes raving mad I reckon. You can push your religion here and hold your own. What will you do when that no longer has any effect?

The insulation on your wires is about to be torn away.

First off, sunspots do not cause volcanoes or global warming, period. This has been very well established by science.

Yes, long term variations in solar output do play a part in warming or cooling. But the key factor in climate change are levels of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere which was proven in the 19th Century and is undisputed by peer-reviewed Science to this day.

The oceans and polar ice also play a huge role which occur after atmospheric levels of greenhouse gasses rise or fall. Ice cores (etc) going back millions of years clearly show this: the higher the CO2 the hotter the climate and the lower the CO2 the colder the climate.

This is very clearcut and should be easy to understand, if not for endless stupid questions.

Water vapor IS a greenhouse gas!
H2O is perhaps the most important greenhouse gas of all, as it constitutes the hydrological cycle that traps tropospheric heat through evaporation. The hotter it gets from CO2 the more H2O in the air which downpours and blizzards, and is one reason we are seeing such severe floods and snowfalls in the past decades.
For Christ sake man EDUCATE yourself on this subject before spouting off your mouth!

He's a troll save your breath. Just here to waste your time......when you argue with a fool be careful because some may not be able to tell who is who. There are no words for idiocy like this in the information age....my 10 year old niece can investigate a subject better than this ignorant fool. IF Icekat actually finished 6th grade he would have learned about checking sources, using facts, and know of the scientific process.

scientific process = Scientists create scientific theories with the scientific method, when they are originally proposed as hypotheses and tested for accuracy through observations and experiments.[2] Once a hypothesis is verified, it becomes a theory.

I read further down on this post....has anyone explained or asked this IDIOT.....WHERE IS THE ICE CAP????? His assumption that in the course of the Earth's history 4 billion years.....in the last 30 years it just so happened to be NATURAL.... it just happens?????

MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY WILL KILL US ALL!!!!!! Why do idiots like get the right to vote?

The problem is IceKat represents the intelligence quotient of most AGW deniers and seems to know more about this subject than most people. This is a problem!
I have actually found debating IceKat mind-expanding as I not only get to see into the mind of the denier but it challenges me to further research and explain climate science so the average person can more easily understand. This is not an easy task as even climatologists admit they have failed to communicate the importance of global warming to people.
IceKat has helped me articulate how very straightforward it really is.
I'm so glad people like you are reading these exchanges because there is some good information coming out of it (and a lot of hours going into it).

Okay, I understand your beliefs in the "Greenhouse" effect is still stuck in the 19th century so I won't take that any further here. Most of us have moved on, and although the majority of scientists of all descriptions still use the term "greenhouse effect" most people have now understood this to be quite a misleading statement. Our atmosphere does not act like a greenhouse, or anything like one.
Our atmosphere regulates the temperature of the planet.
There is a lot of new research that shows clouds and solar variations have an effect on climate. Now I know you're going to go rushing for your latest Romm blog, or get skepticalscience to debunk what I have just written. The fact is you will be able to find a lot of 'peer-reviewed' literature to debunk the theory of solar/cosmic ray and cloud effects on climate. That's fine, though, these things take time to be accepted, especially as a lot of people (scientists and governments) would have to do a lot of back-tracking before openly stating that they got it wrong and CO2 is no longer a problem. It will happen, though, and you will see it. In many circles there is already a lot of talk about failed science, and red faces abound!
I tell you something - when real life does not follow theory, it's time to change the theory.

"...the higher the CO2 the hotter the climate and the lower the CO2 the colder the climate."
CO2 rises after temperature. This is well known. CO2 does not cause the temperature to rise, if it did, why, with ever increasing concentrations of CO2, has the UK's Met Office had to concede the fact that there has been no warming for fifteen years?
During the last century there was a twenty year period when CO2 concentrations and temperature seemed to be in tandem, twenty years only.
Why did the earth start warming before CO2 concentrations were significant enough to cause the warming?
What caused the Medieval warm period? Was there too much CO2 then?
What caused the Roman warm period? Too much CO2?
During those periods the planet did not burn to a cinder, life did not end, and the planet cooled afterwards. Why are you so sure the planet won't cool again? Hint; it is ;)

"H2O is perhaps the most important greenhouse gas of all"
Which is why I wrote, "Water vapour is by far the most influential player in the atmosphere effect.". You call it a greenhouse, which it isn't, I call it an atmosphere, which it is.

"The hotter it gets from CO2 the more H2O in the air which downpours and blizzards."

What about when it gets hot from other sources than CO2?
What about the other warm periods long before CO2 could have been the cause?
Read about the atmosphere and you'll learn a lot, but you first need to get away from your obsession that CO2 is the cause of warming or you're going to look even more stupid in the near future.
Personally, I can't wait to see how you're going to get out of the CO2 hole you've been digging yourself into.

"...and is one reason we are seeing such severe floods and snowfalls in the past decades."
So how do you explain the severe weather events documented in the past? For every one of your modern-day disasters, there is an equal amount of severe weather to be found in the past, a lot of it much worse than what we sometimes see today.
Multi-agency reports have already shown conclusively that the weather is not getting more severe, weather events are not becoming more frequent, and even the likes of NASA and the UK's Met Office already concluded that events such as the Russian heatwave, the heatwave in Europe, Texas last year, and floods and droughts are nothing at all to do with the so-called man-made climate change.

For Christ sake little girl EDUCATE yourself on this subject before spouting off your mouth!

Strange, isn't it, how I can post a few comments here; one detailing severe winter events happening now, even though Michale Mann calls this a "year without a winter" and then I post numerous charts showing current temperature anomalies, each one showing how much colder than average the northern hemisphere (and parts of the southern hemisphere) currently is.
In a nutshell, you have a climate 'scientist' telling us there is no winter, yet I manage to show current data and real-life commentary that disputes Mann's assertion... and you call me an idiot?

"WHERE IS THE ICE CAP????? "
You tell me? Has it all gone yet?

As for "...checking sources, using facts, and know of the scientific process." believe me, I spend most of my life doing just that, and have done for many decades. You see, that's why I post current real-world data here as opposed to relying on the latest prediction from climate models, and interpretations from failed graduates who write scare-stories and then disappear without trace when their predictions fail miserably.

How about trying to write something sensible, eh? And you don't need to write using capitals, I'm sure not even your 10 year old niece does that.

The problem is you keep avoiding questions.

If the temperature began to rise before CO2 could have had an influence, why do you blame CO2 for the warming? Also please explain previous warm periods and why the earth didn't fry during those times.

Were temperatures around the Little Ice Age the correct temperatures for the planet? You seem to think it's too hot now, so would you like to see a return to a colder climate?

Why has there been no warming for fifteen years while CO2 concentrations continue to rise? Is CO2 broken?

Why do you call me a denier? What am I denying, that the climate changes? I've always agreed the climate does change, always has done, always will. Do I deny that the planet warmed? Absolutely not, it did, or rather the temperature fluctuated both upwards and downwards, and is now on a downward trend.

So much for deniers blaming global warming on volcanoes.

1815 was "the year without a summer" across much of the world due to volcanic SO2.
2012 is turning out to be "the year without a winter" across much of the Northern Hemisphere due to manmade CO2.
People need to understand this better.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-hot-weather-20120128,0,6875555.story

U.S. Seems To Have Largely Escaped Winter

A combination of factors has trapped winter's cold air over Canada and Alaska, making for unseasonably warm weather in the Lower 48.

Throughout the continental United States, it's been a very warm winter.

"The talk across the whole country has been, 'Where has winter been?'" said Dale Eck, who runs the global forecast center at the Weather Channel in Atlanta.

The answer: A combination of factors has trapped the winter's cold air in the northern latitudes over Canada and Alaska.

"If you look at U.S. temperatures, you'd say, 'Wow, it was a warm winter,'" said Dan Cayan, a climate researcher at the U.S. Geological Service and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla. And you'd be right.

January 27, 2012

Australia and South America are not in the Northern Hemisphere.

Actually, yes, a volcano did go off somewhere, in Alaska. I don't know the name of it but yesterday the News said it was dormant til just recently. I'm sure you can find it faster than me... but the dust eruptions from it could be drifting over to Europe.

Just a thought. I have to run hit the Post Office, soon.

Yes, I know but doesn't it seem strange how so many places, even in the southern hemisphere where it is summer, with the exception of North America are having so much cold weather? Maybe it's all down to CO2? Couldn't be anything to do with the planet cooling down, could it?

Michael Mann? Quick, someone pass me a hockey stick! :)

It doesn't take much to convince you, does it? So the winter started off warm, does that prove it's all down to man's production of CO2? The winter is not over yet!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-06/vail-resorts-struggles-as-snowless-ski-...

Lack of snow in Europe are also suffering from lack of snow, causing the cancellation of the World Cup ski event earlier in January 2012.

A warm winter? Surely that's great for those who like to be warm? Can you use this winter as a prediction? One eminent scientist said in 2000, "children just aren't going to know what snow is anymore" and then feet of the stuff fell from the skies. Now, you might like to tell us global warming will cause more snow, and find a quote from Mann, Hansen or even the one who seems to be emerging with god-like status here, Romm to show unequivocally that global warming does indeed cause snow, but I'm afraid you'd be quite wrong. The most welcome period of natural global warming we experienced last century (it ended before 1998) has come to an end. Your planet is not enduring any form of global warming now, and even when it did, it started long before CO2 could have been an influence.

The past decade has been the warmest yet. Deniers are liars.

And exactly where should I stick it? ;}

Alaska Dispatch:

"According to the Alaska Volcano Observatory, the aviation color color code and the alert level of Cleveland Volcano was upgraded on Tuesday to "Orange" and "Watch" to reflect new satellite data indicating increased activity.

The east central Aleutian Chain volcano, which sits 45 miles west of the community of Nikolski, has spent much of the past year teasing that it would erupt, and its status has alternated between "Yellow/Advisory" and the more serious "Orange/Watch" four times since July 2011.

The AVO reports that the lava dome that had developed at Cleveland last year was mostly removed by a brief explosive episode at the end of December. But new satellite images indicate that a fresh lava dome, approximately 130 feet in diameter, has formed in the summit crater.

There have been no explosions or ash emissions detected during the current lava eruption, but the AVO notes that it remains possible for intermittent, sudden explosions of blocks and ash to occur at any time, and ash clouds exceeding 20,000 feet above sea level may develop."
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/cleveland-volcano-alerts-upgraded-renewed-...

Not much activity here yet, therefore this volcano couldn't be responsible for the frigid temperatures seen over the majority of the northern hemisphere over the past few weeks.

Hey that's fine. If you want to keep saying the planet's getting warmer, I'm happy with that. Keep saying it because very soon you're going to have to do some pretty inventive back-tracking.
Here's a prediction for you; at some point you're going to be telling us the climate is broken and man caused global cooling through man's production of CO2 causing global warming, that's after it caused the cool period around the 70s and the warmer than now period around the 30s. Keep moving the goal-posts, that's the way :)

Stick it where his theory ended up - in a trash bin!

Being an avid skier myself I'm well aware of the situation at the ski resorts and the lack of early snow in parts of north America was evident. But why did you cherry-pick that article?
Does it represent the entire planet, or even the majority?
Could you not have shown us news reports of snowfalls way above average throughout Europe, Asia, and even Greece and Turkey?
Why did you conveniently leave out well below average temperatures for the vast majority of the northern hemisphere, and some places in the southern hemisphere?

But let's not get too caught up in the past weather in Colorado. The future's bright...

"KUSA - A potent winter storm coming on shore in the Pacific Northwest Wednesday morning will bring big changes to Colorado's weather Thursday and Friday. Wind, snow and a big temperature drop are all headed this way.
A powerful cold front is scheduled to arrive in northwest Colorado Wednesday night, bringing snow to parts of our northern and central mountains. "
http://www.9news.com/news/article/246262/630/Winter-weather-headed-back-to-Front...

It’s Cold In Alaska, So Sarah Palin Asks: ‘What Global Warming?’ | In a post on her Facebook page, former Alaska governor and former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin noted that Alaska school children don’t get out of school until temperatures drop below -55 degrees fahrenheit. Putting up a photo of her son doing chores in -20 degree weather, Palin asks: “Global warming? What global warming?” Palin notes “the balmy 65 degree (above zero) weather in the Beltway today” — a record high. Nonetheless, Palin is making the common mistake of confusing weather with climate change. She might not notice it, but the pattern of warming is clear. Even the U.S.’s northernmost city — in Alaska — felt the effects last year with “a record-breaking 86 consecutive days at or above freezing, far more than the previous record of 68 days set in 2009.” (HT: Blake Hounshell)
climateprogress.org | January 31, 2012

I don't watch these videos so I have no idea what this is, sorry.

Thanks. Not sure what your point is or how that's relevant to me... but thanks...or something?

You have missed the entire point of this article. Deniers have used the Little Ice Age to claim climate change is controlled by the Sun. This new finding shows that it is controlled by gasses in the atmosphere. Too much SO2 and it gets colder. Too much CO2 and it gets hotter.

Oh right, thanks I get it now... too much SO2 = cooling, too much CO2 = warming.
Boy, it's that simple and I never saw it... after all these years!
Thanks Coolplanet. Thanks very much :)

When the northern loses winter in winter AND the southern loses summer in summer uhm hmm. Planet Flaccid.

Well as you can see here, the real MO to bring the conversation back to cold not meaning the Earth isn't warming as a whole is the same bs and not even worth a response. The changing weather patterns we are seeing globally as a trend are part of climate change. Agriculture and plant life as it is being affected, part of climate change. The rate of acidification of the oceans, part of climate change. These are events that have set trends to them and the nuances that show there is more to the effects they are now bringing than natural variation and they are affecting real people and other species. I'm personally keeping my eye on that big freshwater bulge in the Arctic to see what comes of it. Distractions only seek to take your eye off what is truly important, and it isn't whether some avid skier can go slooshing off a slope and claim that global warming has been vanquished because of it. Typical mumbo jumbo from the usual players who truly haven't a clue to what this is all about and how ecology and biodiversity as well are being affected by all of this.

"...the same bs and not even worth a response." But you couldn't stop yourself anyway. Hi Jan, lovely to hear from you again. So, whenever we have record low temperatures and snowfall over a wide area, to you it's irrelevant and says nothing. Yet a hot day anywhere in the world is conclusive proof of man-made global warming. Just wait until the summer when you drag out the most obscure record from some city to prove that the planet is, in fact, cooking to a cinder. Come on, even the UK's met office, a world leader in extremism, is having to backtrack and admit there's been no warming for fifteen years. Sorry chick your theory is dead in the water, has been for well over a decade.

"I'm personally keeping my eye on that big freshwater bulge in the Arctic."

Sure you are, because it's about all you've got to keep your eye on at the moment, not that you understand it of course!
Have you any data from, say, the Medieval warm period to say this sort of thing is unusual now? Or from the 1930s when it was warmer than today? Or from the Roman warm period? Do you have any facts to back up any theory you may have without relying on the failed models?

Of course there are big changes in the weather, when haven't there been changes?
Climate changes all the time, always has done, and will continue to do so long after you're pushing up daisies!

So, it is a cold winter in the northern hemisphere. Where's CO2 now then? is it all hanging out in the US, just waiting to be released to some other part of the world that needs a climate disaster?

"the real MO to bring the conversation back to cold not meaning the Earth isn't warming as a whole is the same bs and not even worth a response."

I hear you here and tend to agree.
But this hot/cold debate gives us the perfect oppotunity to explain the greenhouse effect and global warming to most people who haven't the first clue about climate science.
Perhaps that is IceKat's role here -- to challenge us to intelligently respond and learn something in the process.
I find it crucially important to understand what causes glacial and interglacial ages in order to be able to communicate the dynamics of climate change. It all depends on the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere as this latest study reaffirms.
Basically scientists are finding that it all depends on the concentration of warming CO2 and cooling SO2 aerosols in the air (plus the Milankovic orbital cycle of 41,000 years).
It is a heated debate among paleoclimatologists whether global warming is preventing us from entering another ice age which we are overdue for according to the Milankovic theory.
This is the crux of this entire dispute.
Personally I would much prefer another ice age over another Eocene hellhole which we are creating with our greenhouse gasses. Life in the oceans thrive during ice ages which are the predominent climate state over the past billion years.

You are posting predictive tempurature maps here, look at em they are dated for this week that ends in 6 days... just a notion that these predictions are coming from a less then honorable source.

What an idea => "doom & gloom holding off for centuries to come"! HAHAHAHA Thanks, a good laugh to begin the day.

That being said, take a closer look pleez. From Canada down through Pennsylvania, Virginia and Georgia there seems to be warmer temperatures. It's everybody else to the east and to the west getting plastered with killer cold, tornadoes and snows.

A prophecy foretold this would happen. Climate Peace in a small area that includes where the Watchtower Society of PENNSYLVANIA was first incorporated. The WTS is the legal for Jehovah's Witnesses. A line of angelic protection has been established that will grow to include the world, when the time comes.

Soon. For now you get to look at it => Much like how Pharaoh and his charioteers stood and watched the pillar of fire then the cloud keep them from chasing the Israelites into the water to drown. It's all going down again and all your charts hahaha do nothing. Your positive feedback posts, also nothing.

Stand and watch the salvation of the JW's God. Whenever He feels you've watched long enough.

P.S. a Hint => the cold supposed to be happening HERE is being spread out around the globe THERE. Duh. Here's an idea! God has the power to fulfill His Prophecies.