Change is the Future - part II

The transition will be the most difficult part. It so happens that is what I'm working on for part III.

Good on you. We'd all like to see a better world. As always, the devil is in the details--and most of those details are human devils.

Well said my friend, well said.

I'm sorry, I don't get it. Sat through 3 minutes of introductions, then as soon as someone started to speak the video was over. Is this still a work in progress?

I'm not quite sure how to respond to you. I don't want to offend you because you are aware of the problems we face and appear to be for renewable resources. However, I'm not sure if you just skimmed my article, speed read it, or simply didn't understand any of it. I'm not even sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

I'ts true the designs illustrated were all created in the 50's and 60"s, but that is not the point of the Project, or my article. Were not about building retro buildings, were about changing the socioeconomic system to abolish all money, and make all resources available to all people. Jacque's plan for the Venus Project would eliminate: greed, poverty, war, strife, hunger, government and oppression. Do you have a problem with wanting to get rid of any of those?

It's true, the the originator of this idea is 96 years old. He founded the project in 1975 in Venus, Florida. He started working out how to solve these problems before I was born, and suspect before you were born also. I don't know why he choose the name Venus, is that important to you?

There are plenty of resources in the world for all of it's people and more, including Africa, China and India, if we develop the required renewable energy sources. Please, please read or re-read the whole article, and if you have qualms with certain aspects of the plan, besides the artwork, let me know specifically what you do not like, then I would be glad to address those.

nicely said Kelly

Hi Kelly thanks for your explainer and effort.
I see there is meanwhile a fundamental rupture
between US and Europe.

we abandoned communism resource sharing
with artificial money nothing to buy very romantic.
I can understand America with bailing out GM
believes some sort of this style may work, we not.

We live in the middle of Arab spring revolution
and it's results, people want a private business
in dignity, no Venus project would eliminate
poverty in North Africa Mena region the 25 year
old population, that wants to make a living in home
oriented businesses, owned by them, like US in
the 50's.

The name Venus is irritating because it gives a
space project touch, so many will not continue
to read for this planet.

The video Africa takes over with Middle class
US losing Middle class, Future happens at Nairobi
Kenya with new Tech centers, look at Google Africa
could show only short part- because conf video limits
Jeremy Rifkin with Hy Web would be an alternative.

Sorry for the architecture a classic Bauhaus style
but not for today - a crime center with no workshops
to make money

Take my excuses for answering late, I just prepare
my guys for 2012 4L Trophy - 1.000 classic cars
Renault 4L 30 years and older make a 6.000 km
journey to Morocco to deliver school books , well
we have a low cost solar panel on top for charging
I-Phone blackberry Pentax camera, this is it what young
people want adventure...

let's continue the dialogue in a contradictory way,
that's actually "crowd powered innovation"
Time for Solarlife - let the sunshine come in....
need more ideas contact me

Solarlife: we abandoned communism resource sharing
with artificial money nothing to buy very romantic.
I can understand America with bailing out GM
believes some sort of this style may work, we not.

Kelly: I take it your from a formally communist country or a dictatorship then. I can understand your concern, but let me assure you that The Venus Project is nothing like Communism. It is unlike anything that has ever been done before. Communism used currency as a way to control access to resources. And that currency was controlled by the state. Communism relied on labor from people; the automation did not exist yet that could free people from labor. The only difference between Communism and western Capitalism is who controls the resourses. In Communism, it was the state who was run by a dictator. In western Capitalism it is the transnational corporations and the banks, run by the wealthy elite. Both Communism and Capitalism are disfunctional because of corruption and the desire for power and control.

Our proposal removes the one element that enables corruption, accumulation of power and control of the resources. We get rid of the money. This would not have been possible before, and it still will require effort to make work, even now. Thats because the system we propose replaces human labor with automation as rapidly as possible. Instead of resources being scarce, they will become infinately abundant. The key is energy, including solar, wind, geothermal and wave power. Once the production of energy does not require capital, and does not have to compete with low cost sources like oil and coal, we can develop renewable sources for all the energy we could ever want. With ample enery we then can access all the other resources we want. Private ownership will not be nneeded when you have access to anything you could ever need at all times. All of this is enabled though modern technology. There will be no politicians to corrupt and control the system for their benefit, it will be the purest form of democracy.

Solarlife: We live in the middle of Arab spring revolution
and it's results, people want a private business
in dignity, no Venus project would eliminate
poverty in North Africa Mena region the 25 year
old population, that wants to make a living in home
oriented businesses, owned by them, like US in
the 50's.

Kelly: I can certainly understand your desire here. You have never lived in a free capitalist society, and have no point of reference. It will likely give you a much better standard of living than you have had. The desire to own a business though is not because you have a burning desire to work 18 hours day with a 1% chance of success (in the US only 1% of businesses survive after 10 years), it's because you want the things that the success would give you; a nice home, plenty of food, and all the comforts afforded the wealthy people in your region. Dignity is the abity to not be in a position that is below another person, it's the ability to be the master of your own life. That is what our proposal offers. You will be free to pursue the things in life that are important to you. You will not be shackled to a job in order to survive on meager wages as it is now.

While I can certainly understand your concerns, you will soon come to realize that any system that uses money permits the accumulation of power, and that power is used to control people; even in a free democratic country like the US. We are not truly free, or a democracy. Our polititians are corrupt and answer to the large corporations, not the people. The people lost control years ago, now they just let us vote to make us feel better about it, but it makes no difference. The US is not a good neighbor. Our transnational corporatons will come in and dominate the markets pushing most of your businesses out of business. They are ruthless and will stop at nothing to make a profit, including the assasination of any leaders who goes against them.

The world bank will come in and loan your country a ton of money. All the money will be paid to the transnational corporations to do work, and not go to benefit your people. When your country can't pay back the loans, we'll come in and force you to make deals giving our corporations all the power and access to resounces like oil and gas. It's what they have been doing all accross the globe since the end of world war II.

Yes, it can. However we have a long ways to go to educate the people. It's not going to be a simple fix. It involves nothing less that restructuring all of the institutions of our global society. Institutions that will not go quietly.

You are doing a good job by getting the word out .

Thank you.

I agree 100%

Thank you very much. I for one can't wait for this future to unfold, I just hope I live long enough to see it.

me too

have heard the thought that every planet in our system is a different stage of planetary evolution from which a lesson can be learned about our home

Very true. We may not have much time left to set things right.

"It sounds nice, but it would inevitably be warped then corrupted like any other system...."

Actually a key part of the concept is removing the ability to become corrupt.

Don't be so cynical, Anonmaly.
Not very many of us can still live in trees and grow hemp to fuel our engines or cure all our ills.
We need many more visionaries like Kelly and The Venus Project in our sorry ass world!

your thoughts can certainly be part of the solution and based on your comments here that I have seen we think very similarly....let the negative go for a better tomorrow though there is enough of that being pushed on hope already

Tho it is hard to imagine for many , it would work . Gift economy , at Burning Man , as i have experienced it , strongly ENCOURAGES excellent behavior . There are still a few people who do awful things , but the percentage is massively DECREASED . There is almost no incentive to act cruelly . Relationships between people become the currency of social structure . Also , there are other cultures that have existed . John Lennon was NOT wrong . What you can imagine can be created . You know , like flight , or going to the moon .

Well said, and so true.

good luck that would be an amazing challenge to be involved with...hoping they'll get back to me as well, sooner than later

That's awesome. Keep us posted if you do.

absolutely I will

it is in the dead on center of the path we need to take

Thanks, I appreciate that.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, thank you.