Opposition rising against U.S. Arctic drilling

I run my car on biodiesel. The bio itself is a certain portion of regular diesel (more so in the winter time). My car still has oil in the engine. So, for me to power my car with biodiesel, I still need oil.

I am in the alternative energy business and B100 is very promising but it is not yet there as far as being widely available. I have to fill up at work. B100 has also caused some engine damage depending on what feedstock is used. We have high hopes for it, but it's a bit off in the future. I could use synthetic oil in the car and we do in the vw. It has been run on nothing but bio and synthetic. Our older 1972 diesel is the one that I have to be careful with--very finicky. I ran synthetic in only once and it did not do well.

During WW2, 70 years ago, Germany used synthetic diesel fuel made from wood and coal by the Fischer-Tropsch process to power everything from submarines, to panzer tanks, to jet aircraft.

I have no doubt that we can make it work today.

I too think we could make many of the available technologies work today but we are not serious about it. Govt investment into these areas has not been coordinated with an agreed upon goal. In fact the industry is gasping for air as a result of some of the crony capitalism that has gone on.

The F-T process is an interesting one. The Germans use of it, based on coal, is about as green as electric cars that get plugged into coal or nuclear fed grids. The US Navy has bio blends that reach high enough octane to be used as jet fuel, but there is still some real diesel in the blends. It's a step in the right direction.

Actually, Sasol[South Africa] has been making aviation fuel from coal for the last approximately 40 years.
The only requirement is a source of carbon, which can be anything, coal or organic matter of any sort.
The Germans in WW2, preferred wood. Coal was needed for steel making. And there were ample supplies of scrap wood available due to Allied bombing. And coal contains sulphur. Sulphur poisons the catalyst reforming beds----which shuts down the whole process. Coal also requires the addition of hydrogen(to form hydrocarbons)----organic materials do not, they already contain the hydrogen----and no sulphur. Using wood or other cellulosic matterials----the process can run longer and more efficiently producing more final fuel. About 100 gallons per ton.

Using a 50/50 blend of petroleum/biodiesel means that you have reduced petroleum use to 1/2 what it would have been otherwise.

I agree and hope we get to the point of 100% in the very near future.

Wow, condescending much?

Do you know that the Left-winger hero, Mike Moore, has made a nifty profit from investments in that company?

Proof? A. that the man is a "hero" of the left in general as you portray B. that he has made profits from said company

exactly wtf does that have to do with Haliburton?

I was asked to provide proof of Mickey Moore's lying and hypocrisy.

Again, you were asked for proof on your haliburton claims, now get to it!

Although I love Roger and Me, Moore is a hypocrite of the first order!

Google it. I do not do errands for Left-wingers.

It is a wasteland.

Only in the eyes of the unappreaciative.

No, it is a wasteland. I saw it. I spoke with Eskimos about it.

The only wasteland I see is the space between your ears.

It is a wasteland. Any reasonable person who has seen it, and those who live there, agree.

right-winger see everything as money, if it isn't "monetized" it literally has no "value" to them.

Yes and apparently not care what happens there.

No, it does not matter. I have been there six times - to Kaktovik and over ANWR. Nothing there. Wasteland.

There is nothing there. I lived on the North Slope for three years. Wasteland.

It only doesn't matter to ignorant people. People who haven't a clue about anything unless it includes them. Selfish, closeminded, greedy, ignorant people who have no sense or knowledge of the processes and species of this planet and how they are all connected.

You are just full of endless stories aren't you.

what you see as wasteland the creatures that live there know as home...very short sighted statement

Stick your head underwaves there and try telling us that again! You are soooooo sad sir, I really am ashamed for our failure as a race to allow you to reach such a state of innate bigotry and hatred. I hope you grow beyond your current shortcomings and find peace within yourself before your death.

I have been there. The Eskimoes actually laugh at the whacked-out environmentalists. There ain't nothin' dere!

No. I worked on the Slope for three years. I do not care if you do not believe it. It is true and I know. That is all that matters. Perhaps you are envious?

No, unless you are referring to bacteria and microbes. Occasionally carbiou pass through, but more go through Anaktuvik Pass, of course. There is a bit of vegetation and really nothing at all. Barren, empty, nothing.

I am at peace, of course. I accept reality. Left-wingers live in a fantasy world. When it does not come to fruition, they get frustrated and angry. They demonstrate in the streets and scream for "revolution" and look abroad to find ideals instead of in their own country and neighborhoods. In the past, it was the USSR and Mao's China. Then the Third World "Agrarian Reformers."

Now, instead of appreciating their own, they want us to be like Europe - the Paradise that got it right.

Left-wingers are a frustrated and angry lot. In fact, research has proved this. If Left-wingers would ever accept human nature and not try to set up their utopias, we would have real peace. The peace with appreciating what one has and accepting what humans are.

No, I LIVED on the North Slope, and it was not for the oil companies. It was for the Natives who lived there! That is part of the North Slope. From Kaktovik to Point Hope and down to Anaktuvik. I went to all of the villages many times every year while living in Barrow. That was my job.

I worked there when one person was murdered in the village where that narrator lived - He was murdered over whaling. Each village had a limit, but it is part of the native traditions. One native told the FEDERAL authorities; they went over the limit, and he ratted them out, possibly for money, who knows. He was found dead in the water. Officially, he was listed as "drunk, fell in the water," but everyone knew what really happened. Nobody would talk.

They do not live on "subsistence." That is pure bull. I saw my first beached whale in Kaktovik. It was a baloga whale. 60 tons approximately. The Natives took what they could - only about 200 people in the village - and left probably 80-90% on the beach to rot.

I was there. Three years, lady. I was there.

Continued from the last post. Because of the oil money, the Native there were filthy rich. I remember a lady from Massachusetts married a local Eskimo. The wedding gift from the father was interesting - An airplane!

Everyone had big bucks from the oil royalties. It was almost like a socialist state - medical and plenty of other stuff was free.

I don't CARE where you were. This isn't about YOU. You obviously have no CLUE to what this is about nor the damage that will be done to ecosystems WHEN a spill happens which is the topic. Your insistence here is suspicious and your disrepect sickening.

No, the Left constantly stir up dissent and anger. Class warfare of some kind, taking the forms of the oppressed and oppressor, race, economic class, religion vs. non-religion. You people never leave it alone and appreciate the bounty we all have. How would you like to live up in the Artic where these Eskimos live? Maybe that is one reason I can appreciate the bounty. There is not a single tree within 300 miles of where I lived in Barrow. One Eskimo husband - the one who married the lady from Massachusetts - ordered pine Christmas trees and put them in the permafrost around the house. Had to drill it in. The freezing weather kept them reasonablely the same for a time. She missed the green.

I is things like that. When I see the Green Mountains of Vermont in my summer trips, I am inspired by the lush vegetation. When I go into grocery stores and see the incredible variety of food from all over the world, I actually am in awe. When I see houses that are heated and air conditioned, I realize how luck people are. That is because I saw people living on the edge in Southeast Asia, people starving in rural Turkey, and people literally dying of tuberculosis in Afghanistan, coughing up blood.

Appreciate what you have. Be thankful for the liberty and bounty.

-------" You people never leave it alone and appreciate the bounty we all have."------

Or, do you mean the bounty that YOU have and don't want anyone else to share?

It is only wasteland to you. Which shows how little you actually know.

"The peace with appreciating what one has and accepting what humans are."

Humans like you are what I will fight until the day I die. Your brand of "utopia" is intolerant, selfish and myopic. And this BS left wing/ right wing paradigm just used to foment division is old and boring.

No, only you do. Eskimos are world master environmentalists. They have survived the harshest environment on earth by knowing their environment and taking care of what they need to survive, for thousands of years.

The traditional Eskimos are far more intelligent than you even think you are.

Just because you can't see something does not mean it isn't there. In order to see something, you have to open your eyes.

He has endless stories to tell...

I know it is not about me, but you personalize it. You call me a liar in order to push your radical anti-capitalist and anti-human agenda.

You read the Left-winger environmentalist whacko press and believe anything they publish. I was there. I saw it and flew over it. I talked with Eskimos and others when I stayed there over a three-year period.

We all have the bounty. Some appreciate it, and others don't. And the reasons that certain types do not are obvious.

I was there. Many times. It is a wasteland. You want to believe what the environmental anti-capitalist extremists write. Why not explore THAT?

I am anti-utopian. Left-wingers have been trying to create utopias at the national level for over a century. In the past, antebellum era, they stayed to themselves, building their own communities, like the Oneida and others. But later on, they wanted GOVERNMENT to FORCE their "plans" and "visions" on the entire nation. The 20th century saw the results of it, taken to its ultimate conclusions - in Germany, Italy, Russia, China and Cambodia.

Seems you are an expert on Eskimos. How nice. Do you know that many villages on the North Slope simply died out? Do you know why, pray tell? There have been found human bones and artifacts, and the people apparently simply died. Try to figure out why.

And do you really believe that they want to live the "old way?" Apparently you do. Well, tell me about what you saw in some documentary. I lived there for three years, and worked directly with the Eskimos for that time, and in every single village on the entire North Slope, so I am eager to learn of your "insights" that I seem to have missed.

Why are you telling ME that they are intelligent? I met with Kleinfeld who did research on the intelligence of Eskimos, by the way. Check it out. Google her name and Eskimo. Feel free to ask me any questions.

--------" How nice. Do you know that many villages on the North Slope simply died out? Do you know why, pray tell? There have been found human bones and artifacts, and the people apparently simply died. Try to figure out why."-------

It's called archaeology. It is the main way that we know about previous civilizations. What they did, how they lived, what happened to them.

And your precious oil drilling is killing that off too.

Your 19th Century ethnocentric thought process is telling us that the destruction of other people and civilizations is OK as long as you make a profit, No matter what happens to other people, the land, the oceans, the air or anything else.

-------" Why are you telling ME that they are intelligent? I met with Kleinfeld who did research on the intelligence of Eskimos, by the way. Check it out. Google her name and Eskimo. Feel free to ask me any questions."-------

Don't tell me----let me guess. She found that Eskimos are not intelligent, right?

And you buy it----you LIKE people who tell you that YOU are the most intelligent thing out there----because it fits right in with your 19th Century thought process. I'll take whatever I want from anyone I want, anyway I want because I'm better than anyone else.

You are a racist, pure and simple. A pure, 100% homogenized racist, right to the bone, whose only goal in life is to take whatever you can from anyone else, and what you can't take you'll simply destroy out of wanton pride, greed and willfully self imposed ignorance.

History is FULL of the stories of people just like you who destroyed thousands of civilzations, and killed and destroyed everything in sight, and all out of pride, greed and intolerance.

We all know who you are. We've heard everything you say thousands of times before throughout history. No matter how often you say it though, it is still lies.

You are not better than anyone else.

Endless stories he has.

"Your 19th Century ethnocentric thought process is telling us that the destruction of other people and civilizations is OK as long as you make a profit, No matter what happens to other people, the land, the oceans, the air or anything else."

Quite a puerile branding. No point, and it appears to be just a reflexive type of response of someone who does not want to be contradicted or questioned at all.

Who said the destruction of other people is OK? The villages died out - which means that PEOPLE died, not some artifact of the past, but real PEOPLE - before the oil companies went to the North Slope. Don't you know how the proserity has benefitted the Eskimos?

You sir, are quite the racist. You would have Eskimos live in the most primitive conditions with incredibly high rates of death and infant mortality - in order to "preserve" their way of life. Keep them in their "natural state" right? Never mind that the ESKIMOS THEMSELVES chose to have the companies come, were not coerced into it, and receive HUGE profits for simply being owners of the land. But YOU will claim that civilization has spoiled them or some such preposterous nonsense. Just keep 'em nice and primitive in case you want to go gawk at them, see the nice "primitive people" on a eco-tour, right?

How condescending! YOU know what is best for THEM. Incredible!

{Don't tell me----let me guess. She found that Eskimos are not intelligent, right?}

Why didn't you look it up? I suppose you want to keep believing what makes you feel good.

"History is FULL of the stories of people just like you who destroyed thousands of civilzations, and killed and destroyed everything in sight, and all out of pride, greed and intolerance"

No, YOU are the racist because you set your self up in the position that YOU know what is best for THEM. You never once showed any interest in what THEY want and chose voluntarily. You only want to impose your values on another race, assuming you know better. That is the vile kind of racism.

Let's let the people who are reading this decide.

They can vote on the posts.

"Under U.S. law, the 7.7 million hectare refuge is protected from oil exploration and development. But over the last decade, Alaskan Inuit have tirelessly lobbied the president and Congress to change the law."

"The area’s Inuit birthright organization, the Arctic Slope Regional Corporation, owns the subsurface drilling rights in the refuge, which it could sell to the likes of E on and British Petroleum. The corporation also stands to benefit by providing oil companies with contracted services ranging from engineering to road-construction to catering."

-Nunatsiaq News, 2001

{After 40 years of taking the wealth out of their homelands and waters there should be thousands of Eskimo millionaires. Show me the long list of Eskimos who have over $1 million net worth.}

"Each year, the oil companies that operate those fields pay nearly $600 million in taxes to the regional government, called the North Slope Borough. That sum comes to around $65,000 per resident, and goes to an array of lavish facilities and services."

-Nunatsiaq News

You are dishonest. I am a Conservative, so even I posted that grass is green, it would get voted down. I post facts. You post racism.

Still taking 7 comments of BS to respond to one simple question I see.... not good sir, not good at all!

from the link------" Atqasuk's residents rely heavily on subsistence and enjoy berry picking, hunting caribou, ptarmigan, ducks and geese. They also fish for grayling, burbot, salmon and whitefish in the Meade River.

Atqasuk Corporation is the Village Corporation established pursuant to the Alaska Native Claims Act of 1971. Atqasuk Corporation owns approximately 73,000 acres of surface lands in and around the community."----------

Surface lands? And the oil companies own the mineral wealth and have free hand to exploit and destroy the surface lands the indigenous people's are left with?

$600 million dollars in taxes?----completely meaningless number without knowing the gross amount the taxes were paid on.

The TransAlaska pipeline has a capacity of 2.136 M/brls per day.

2.136 M/brls X 365 = 780 M/brls/yr

780 M/brl X $100/brl = $78 Billion/yr

$600 million / $78000(1000 million in a billion) = 0.007692307692307693% taxes paid.

Less than 1% paid back as taxes.

11,000 citizens---$65,000 per resident----obviously they aren't very good with numbers

$65,000 X 11,000 = $715 million. But, what the heck, that's only $115 million off.

So, the residents of Atqasuk have a subsistance living, and "own" the land while the oil companies do anything they want, anywhere they want, and pump $78 billion worth of oil off and destroy the land, the hunting and fishing that the people of Atqasuk depend on to live.

And send less than 3/4 of 1% of the money they take out back as taxes?

So, you insist you and the oil companies are the wonderful benefactors granting immense wealth where ever you go. Well, yes, I suppose that is true. But you are granting it to yourselves, not the people of Atqasuk.

The numbers say that you lie. And the numbers came from the same link that you post.

Yes, I am an ethnocentric racist.

My posts are in favor and support of the Native American peoples and their rights---central of which is the right to be free of the subjugation and exploitation of people like you.

They have the right to legal, and economic freedom. And they have the right not to be bullied, intimidated and robbed by people like you.

I am an ethnocentric racist who is on the side of the victims.

-------" There are no HUGE profits going to Eskimos or any other native people for the wealth being stolen from them."---------

That part is certainly true.

I do not lie. I posted facts. The wealth that the Eskimos get is immense. And you, being the racist that you are (because you - in your supreriority - know what is best for these "natives"), would reduce them to subsidence. What for? So you can go on an eco-tour and take pictures some day?

{My posts are in favor and support of the Native American peoples and their rights---central of which is the right to be free of the subjugation and exploitation of people like you.}

Nope. You demean these people by claiming YOU know what is best for them. That is as racist as it gets, all the while claiming one is not a racist.

You are simply trying to distort the truth. First of all, I would not expect you to know about the villages there where I worked and lived for three years. You referred to Atqasuk, and ANWR is far, far from there.

Then, you presented that village's land ownership as though it were the subject under "discussion." You presented ONLY {Atqasuk Corporation owns approximately 73,000 acres}

Try this:

"Arctic Slope Regional Corporation owns nearly 5 MILLION acres of land on Alaska's North Slope." (Emphasis mine)

"ASRC has now received the majority of the lands it is entitled to under the provisions of the settlement act. ASRC is now one of the state's largest private landowners, holding title to nearly 5 million acres of Alaska's North Slope."

From the ASRC website--------------" Since inception, ASRC has distributed over $400 million in dividends to shareholders."-----------

It was founded in 1971. 40 years ago. $400 million / 40 = $10 million per year.

$10 million per year to control 5 million acres of property that produce over $78 BILLION worth of oil per year is a real bargain.

$10 million / $78 billion = 0.000128205 = .0128205 of 1% ROI.

Any bank that paid its investors .0128% of 1% of its return on $78 billion would be out of business tomorrow morning. No matter HOW much Fed Reserve bailout money it got.

So, the oil companies are paying the Native Americans slightly over one penny for oil that they sell on the open market for $10,000 dollars.

Pretty good deal for the oil companies. Low overhead, high profit business. No wonder they are reporting the highest profits in history. No wonder they want completely unrestricted drilling on the North Slope.

Distort the truth? I take these numbers directly from the official websites of the references you give me. I just do the math.

Math does not seem to be a subject you know much about.