Tech | February 22, 2012 | 158 comments

The Reality Of Our Situation

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I had to write this before bed because it was such a sticking point with me this evening.

Was asked to help a friend move some furniture and tear out a pet ruined rug, so I offered what I could and learned more than expected in the process. One of my friends served in the military in Iraq the other is a mother of one, just as sweet as can be. We always talk about the off the wall news when we get together so I mentioned the story I can't let go from my mind. BP hauls in $7.7 billion in profits in the last quarter of 2011 as Gulf fisherman haul in shrimp with no eyes. They were shocked at the details as I explained an 80% reduction in catch, Corexit and bio-engineered organisms eating their way through the ecosystem. None of that was new to me as it was to them, but the turning point came when my friend that was in Iraq said," I have something to tell you, but I don't want to make you mad." I could not imagine what he could say that would kindle my ire...as I see a little and always try to keep a clear head despite the view. Unbelievably he told me that he wasn't surprised by BP's profit margin because every gallon of gas used by the US military in Iraq was charged to the government at the rate of $380. $380 per gallon running through Hummers, how many, at 4 miles to the gallon, tanks probably even more, helicopter, planes, warships of all shapes and sizes being powered by gas at the cost of $380 per gallon? Are you serious was all I could say...not in my heart that I was surprised, but in our reality it was a pin that's prick stuck so deep I had to cringe at the thought and still can't let it go. We see the corruption and control, but even with all the obvious implications of cause and affect I found it hard to fathom the seriousness of our situation since I see maybe $4.00 per gallon for those that use it. If this can be than what is the paper worth in your wallet....nothing beyond the control it lends to the few. The vast sums of money,. great as they are, need not ever change hands for it is false and pretend, made up out of thin air if necessary to offer perpetuation and will always be in the power of the 1%. The money is the means, along with fear, that permits 400 + or - to maintain our bonds. Resources pushed in every direction except to the benefit of humanity, but rather to the destruction of people and planet on such a massive scale that one company can claim $30.8 billion in profit for a years effort. No!, not effort, but by pillaging the Earth's blood and using it to destroy her for $30.8 billion in greedy gain. It is now or never that we see the truth of our power against this. Do not allow division for that is the plan. Do not allow perpetuation for that is the goal. This is the tip of the truth and it should damn well be enough to make us realize that without intervention our destruction will not cease. Greed and control through fear must not be our epitaph...awake to our reality all for without all eyes focused we will not see our future or that of our children.
Good night, with love friends..may it spread and bring with it light and change we need

STC.
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  • MotherForTruth
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • MotherForTruth:

      Not necessarily. The military could be using fuelless engines (or semi-fuelless) while continuing to put on their books they're purchasing gasoline. We are being let in on intel they wish us to have.

      And believe.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • MotherForTruth:

      Uhm, a nation that can't afford injured veteran therapies should stop making more injured veterans. The system is obviously not geared to support non-stop wars if they are not receiving medical treatment.

      The USA has been using soldiers as Crash Dummies also to test new military weapons overseas since 1965. Maybe America should stop killing everybody they feel like killing then there would be many less injured veterans around.

      My Dad was an injured veteran from WWII and they let him swing like a sheet in the wind also, and he died in 1968. His "medicine" was a bottle of liquor.

      This situation did not just start YESTERDAY.

      And Dad wasn't a world policeman either.

      Perhaps Americans have been obeying orders from total assholes who have donkey brains and no beating heart in their chests, probably the same total assholes who prevent Solar Energy and keep shouting ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS while they the Atheists back home are wanting the other men to be blasted to smithereens so they can have their pick of poor prostituting wives having to provide for their children.

    • 3 months ago
  • Tayllerand
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Pump price comes directly from taxpayer's pockets (and paycheck), but military divisions paying hundreds/gallon is INDIRECT so the two should be averaged all together for TOTAL POCKET COST.

      Plus all the Medicare & health insurance grief added in, all the emphysema therapies and cancer surgeries, all the "fallout" from remaining on Crude Oil.

      Because if that was all counted and the prices evened out we would see all these wars ONGOING the past 12 years has been siphoning perhaps we were really being forked in the ribs for $50.00 a gallon.

      Possibly more, possibly less, in my guestimated opinion it is probably more. Americans have been living as Paupers all the time Osama bin Laden was getting great health care next to a military installation and they were all having a great laugh at the stupid Americans.

      Hmm. Just like right now.

      Although the full heinousness of the situation goes farther than a money scandal. Money is being used as the diversion, the "smoke" in smoke & mirrors. What is really being done is the extermination of the human race AS A FLESH & BLOOD ORGANISM. The flesh & blood is being destroyed faster & faster as more advances in computer technology comes online.

      The human race is weak, gets ill too much. The demons Jesus drove out of a crazy man were sent over into a herd of swine and the swine brain couldn't handle demon brains so they ran over the cliff. Undoubtedly the many other remaining demons LEARNED FROM THAT and realized they needed a superior body to go into.

      ROBOTS! The human race is being used to develop the demons the superior robot brain and bodies they realized they needed.

      We're being erased just like they showed us in the movie.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      We are all Wealthy have been for over a Century but the scabs took over: Political scabs. Religious scabs. CORPORATE SCABS. We got a few crumbs off our own table.

      Need a new word for Irony, new word for Irony here!!!!!

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Wealthy x 10,000 if you all knew THE TRUTH ABOUT ENERGY. It can be made. In 2004 I called my Make Energy car engine IMITATION ENERGY.

      hahaha The word "Wealthy" doesn't touch it. Our engines can run on advanced steam explosions far in excess of locomotive engines. A small one would run your home, your office, your garage lights, warm your wife and children.

      The line that separates us between being Wealthy and being the Paupers we are is easily stepped across... to a degree few understand as much as I do. Imitation Energy exceeds imitation sugar, and EVERYONE ON THE PLANET HAS GOBS OF IMITATION SUGAR.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Every encyclopedia + Wikipedia in the world will tell you the awesome horsepower of steam locomotives, but what they will NOT share with you is the HP from adding a drop of compressed air into the steam.

      They will tell ya all the negatives, how Riley's engines can't possibly work in a million years. They're hedging. They're wrong. I'm right. haha They're protecting their high-paying positions on the pedestal where they look down upon you as medieval chattel.

      Combining super cold minus-320 degree liquid air with plus-320 degree h2o steam is a difference engine, a difference engine of 640 degrees. A tornado is also a difference engine except the degree spread is much less, and tornadoes reach 250-300 miles-per-hour.

      Starting to get the picture yet mortals?

      The horsepower of my fuel-free, fuel-making engines is OFFWORLD.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Automotive engineers will viciously argue against my statements that an engine can exceed Power Out over Power In because quite frankly they were super-brainwashed in college engineering classes WHERE TO PASS THEY HAD TO AGREE WITH THEIR PROFESSORS.

      I would share with you today a secret because I view you as freinds and sharers of this wonderful living human existence => THEY MADE THEIR CAR ENGINES BACKWARDS. They made each cylinder fire alone. My engine, the cylinders all fire the same time, and yes, THAT DOES PRODUCE A RECOIL SHOCK. It is that recoil energy that is used to compress the air into a cold liquid.

      HAHAHA I would love to see the look on your faces because I once had that look also when my engines occurred to me years ago. THE REVERSE BUMP MAKES THE NEXT FUEL TO BUMP AGAIN.

      It makes its own fuel as it drives down the highway, and the fuel it makes far exceeds the horsepower of Gasoline, and the fuel it makes produces absolutely no pollution, and there is no exhausted ANYTHING, so it has no exhaust system pipes, catalytic, nuthin', no cooling system because the temperatures balance out.

      They say it's impossible; they are wrong. They were wrong in 2003, they were wrong in 2004, they were wrong in 2005, they were wrong in 2006, they were wrong in 2007, they were wrong in 2008, they were wrong in 2009, they were wrong in 2010, they were wrong in 20011, and they're still wrong in 2012.

      Howsomever, being wrong keeps them wealthy rolling in YOUR DOUGH so they continue being wrong because you're un-educated...... What I have shown you is a non-polluting & quite Self-Renewing Cyclical power beyond anything you ever knew was available => becasue the air cycles around post-explosion to be re-used, and the H2O cycles around after condensation to be re-used.

      Laugh with me!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Air and water = super powered car engines. Air & water are both a liquid. Move your arms around and feel the power of Air. Run your hands under a spigot and feel the power potential of Flowing Water.

      THEN LAUGH SOME MORE!!!

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Steam-exploded compressed (liquid) Air far exceeds Solar Power and yet Solar can be added to Steam to make a Solar-Steam Powerhouse Steam Ginny.

      DON'T STOP LAUGHING. YUR RICH BEYOND AVARICE.

    • 3 months ago
  • Hotpckts
    • 0
      Hotpckts  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Liquid oxygen and nitrogen are both made by compressing the gases, then cooling through coil heat exchangers, cooled again, then released and via rapid expansion become liquid. Just FYI :P

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      The movie I-Robot showed us what the Elite really fear. It comes at the end of the movie where all the lesser robots turn to the one robot on the hill and realize he's right.

      The elite fear you realizing I am right. And not just me either. Tesla and Floyd Sweet. They stopped Tesla and they hid Floyd Sweet's V.T.A. (Vacuum Triode Amplifier that channeled Cosmic Energy BEFORE IT REACHES EARTH GROUND).

      Slavery must be a terrible thing ta waste. God din't make you their slaves. You wanted freedom from God so, God let you have it from their hands.

      You're Free!!!

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • Hotpckts:

      You're one of them. I recognize you easily. I showed these people the utter simpleness of Energy and you came in throwing "coiled heat exchangers" into their minds.

      Good try Buster. I've nailed you to the Cross you tried to hang my engines on. You're outted.

      These people are already in the process of Waking Up, and you and your scum compadres can't stop it.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      My engine system is a type of Fusion => the fusion of two inert elements to produce a super-powerful explosion. Only thing is hahahaha THEY NEVER GET USED UP. You don't have to drill it. You don't have to mine it. You don't have to die for it.

      That's why I later began calling Imitation Energy also "Physics Fuel".

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Image
    • Gravity_Man:

      Energy that never runs out? Yep. Just like this Ocean Energy from November 2010 => http://current.com/technology/92858210_ocean-energy-fishing-8-tons-per-square-in...

      Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out. Energy that never runs out.

      Got it now?

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      The Elite's chosen method of keeping us living these Dark Ages is to keep everyone tied up ~and energy stupid~ is to PUSH THE BUTTON ON THE MIDEAST and stop the simple energy knowledge from spreading by increasing the nation's dead soldier mourning to optimum levels.

      That has to be their next Chess move. We're headed for World War III folks. It is how they keep their power. Killing your children, killing your babies you raised for 18 years to be their cannon fodder.

      Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam! Viva the next Viet Nam!

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      You all don't pay my rants any attention => I do it every so often to make my do-nothing, would-be Killers the doctors "smell my blood" thinking they're FINALLY CLOSE TO CAUSING MY DEMISE.

      I hafta throw em a bone every so often, make sure they're still there, gives them some encouragement you know.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      I know! Anorexic Hibernation => that's the ticket! When I come out of it, all this mess'll be gone, + I will have finally defeated the LIFELONG INSULIN RESISTANCE my so-called "doctors" never diagnosed because they're total 3 Blind Mice Roanoke Virginia Medicare-fleecing nincompoops.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • circlesquared:

      Masters of Paranoia, we ride!!!! oops, I just gave away my being a multiple personality disorder didn't I? Yes, we certainly did.

      Totally lost on anyone who hasn't seen Laurel & Hardy....

      And The Three Amigos.

    • 3 months ago
  • letsliveinpeace
  • dudefromtherock
  • Gravity_Man
  • Gravity_Man
  • Gravity_Man
  • circlesquared
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Yes, they tricked us. They have had us focused on airborne disease threats while for a year & a half now the ocean organism was doing its work on the dolphins and whales, which being MAMMALS would be our respected ancestors if Evolution was true.

      We are not quite respecting our ancestors by killing them with such heinous & pain-wracked deaths.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • scooter3282
    • +5
      scooter3282  
    • Big Oil and the MIC own each and every one of us and use us to their own financial betterment. They have no loyalty to any country, individual or religion. Their religion is money and we are the people who they expect to keep worshipping at the altar of low gas prices which they manipulate for greater and greater profits. You hit the nail on the head with this post, circlesquared.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • chew_chew
  • circlesquared
  • SFirman
    • +4
      SFirman  
    • It is digusting how big oil takes advantage of the middle class. Shame on them. I hope this has nothing to do with the Tar Sands Pipeline. ^

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • northernexpat
    • +4
      northernexpat  
    • Now is not the time to drill for more oil, now is the time to find alternative energy sources. How about solar vehicles with long lasting batteries? If we wait too long to seriously tap into solar energy, it may be too late because pollution will eventually block out the sun. Thanks for the post. ^d.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • northernexpat
    • +4
      northernexpat  
    • circlesquared:

      I'm well, but frustrated that the trolls are trying to take over this entire site. Even the climate change deniers continue to attack our beliefs. We will never make any progress if they manage to silence us.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • northernexpat
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • The End is Here? A citizen of Rome has no value, no more a distinction between free man and slave.

      2/22/2012 has 5 #2's, add the 1 equals 11.

    • 3 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • santis
    • +5
      santis  
    • It does get depressing to see how much greed and corruption is out there, and that's all the more reason why it is important for people to get united and stick together. I think the OWS has done a great job in bringing awareness to some of the corruption out there. We need to focus on what we can do to make the world a better place as much as we can.

    • 3 months ago
  • Incredulous
    • +7
      Incredulous  
    • The young man stands on the edge of his porch,
      The days were short and the father was gone,
      There was no one in the town and no one in the field,
      This dusty barren land had given all it could yield.

      I've been kicked off my land at the age of sixteen,
      And I have no idea where else my heart could have been,
      I placed all my trust at the foot of this hill,
      And now I am sure my heart will never be still,
      So collect your courage and collect your horse,
      And pray you never feel this same kind of remorse.

      Seal my heart and break my pride,
      I've nowhere to stand and now nowhere to hide,
      Align my heart, my body, my mind,
      To face what I've done and do my time.

      Well you are my accuser, now look in my face,
      Your oppression reeks of your greed and disgrace,
      So one man has and another has not,
      How can you love what it is you have got,
      When you took it all from the weak hands of the poor?
      Liars and thieves you know not what is in store.

      There will come a time I will look in your eye,
      You will pray to the God that you always denied,
      Then I'll go out back and I'll get my gun,
      I'll say, "You haven't met me, I am the only son".

      Seal my heart and break my pride,
      I've nowhere to stand and now nowhere to hide,
      Align my heart, my body, my mind,
      To face what I've done and do my time.

      Seal my heart and break my pride,
      I've nowhere to stand and now nowhere to hide,
      Align my heart, my body, my mind,
      To face what I've done and do my time.

      Well yes sir, yes sir, yes it was me,
      I know what I've done, cause I know what I've seen,
      I went out back and I got my gun,
      I said, "You haven't met me, I am the only son".

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBkeX3k48M&feature=related

    • 3 months ago
  • Tyr
    • +8
      Tyr  
    • It appears that the corporate heads are pulling out all the weapons to sink a second Obama administration...the end justifies the means seems to be their mantra...just as the economy shows life they will choke the life out of it and blame the President....it's disheartening to see who truly has the power...it is sure as Hell not the 99%

    • 3 months ago
  • MSII
  • cmc101
    • +2
      cmc101  
    • we have this same complaints
      from the revolutionary war thru the civil war into the world war 1 and into world 2 the Korean war , Vietnam ( war ) action the cold war and now Da Da Da
      Kick their ass out..
      But don' thank a preacher is the answer
      what you deserve and what you receive does not always justify your dedication
      to your fellow man

    • 3 months ago
  • pjacobs51
    • +8
      pjacobs51  
    • Meet the 0.01 percent: war profiteers.

      Egregious Military Contractor CEO pay

      The top 0.01% of earners make at least $9.14 million per year, a rarefied strata of income that includes defense company CEOs and Wall Street bank chieftains alike. But a deeper dive demonstrates how defense companies outpace the big banks’ knack for enriching themselves at the expense of everyone else.

      Military Contractor CEO Pay in 2010

      Northrop Grumman CEO Wes Bush: $22.84 million.
      Lockheed Martin CEO Robert Stevens: $21.89 million.
      Boeing CEO James McNerney: $19.4 million.

      Just to put that in context, consider how these annual payoffs compare to the people we’re used to thinking of as poster children for the top 1 percent:

      Financial Sector CEO Pay in 2010

      JP Morgan Chase CEO James Dimon: $20.81 million.
      Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf: $18.97 million.
      Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan: $1.94 million.

      Considering how they stack up to financial sector heads, war industry CEOs aren’t just members of the 1%; they’re the super-elite among them, the one-hundredth of a percent.

    • 3 months ago
  • MSII
    • +5
      MSII  
    • pjacobs51:

      Definitely need massive cuts to the military-industrial-contractors! MASSIVE! Not that the right-wingers will ever allow that. So-called "fiscal-conservatives" what a joke that is!

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • percipi224
    • +4
      percipi224  
    • i will post later today a flyer put on street light posts a few weeks ago in my town regarding the waste by the military. thanks stc

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • percipi224
  • circlesquared
  • Leen61
    • +10
      Leen61  
    • Disgusting. I'm already hearing on my local news how the gas prices around here could go up to $5.00 a gallon. They say the same BS...."because of all the tension in the Middle East." Wrong! It's just to make big oil more money and nothing else. Good post, STC. It's alright to vent. We have to let off steam about all the BS that goes on in this country!

    • 3 months ago
  • Hotpckts
  • SIBob
  • Leen61
  • Leen61
  • cmc101
    • +7
      cmc101  
    • Hotpckts:

      I do agree the wants the tar sands pipeline at all cost
      Not a drop of that oil stays in the United States of America I t still goes to the highest bidder and the GOP ers back pocket and the trickle down to the demos

    • 3 months ago
  • cmc101
    • +4
      cmc101  
    • SIBob:

      you will also notice that as labor goes down stocks go up and good news for the dems then women needs their pills taken away
      Praise the Lord that I am not a female Republican

    • 3 months ago
  • attilatheblond
    • +4
      attilatheblond  
    • Hotpckts:

      Has Nebraska approved a route through that state yet? That has been the real hold up. As MT gov said, approving pipeline at this point would mean a pipeline that stopped at the border of Nebraska and that is sorta pointless.

    • 3 months ago
  • northernexpat
    • +3
      northernexpat  
    • Leen61:

      I agree. Gas prices rise because of Oil speculators not supply and demand. Since the economy was improving they have to do something to slow the progress so they can blame the President and claim that his policies aren't working. Anyone that really pays attention to what happens in congress knows that the teabaggers have blocked everything that improve the economy. This is just another tactic to lower the President's approval numbers.

      Beside all the oil companies that are supporting the 'right-wingers' are spending way too much money on the clown circus GOP Primary. They have to replenish their coffers before the main event.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • Gravity_Man
    • +1
      Gravity_Man  
    • SIBob:

      That? haha That's just Satan playing around inside your mind. He's running out the clock on ya... keeping you all tied up in knots inside so you don't DO SUMTHIN' STUPID like, start praying.

    • 3 months ago
  • Leen61
  • jimstoner
  • circlesquared
  • Mark701
    • +7
      Mark701  
    • Image
    • Found this after a quick search:

      The Defense Logistics Agency buys military fuel for $2.82 per gallon. But that same fuel can cost $13 if it’s shipped by ground to a forward-deployed location, during peacetime. If it’s transferred in-flight from a refueling airplane to another aircraft, the gas is $42. If troops are in hostile areas, prices can range from $100 to $600 for “in theater” delivery. The Army estimated fuel can cost up to $400 a gallon if the only way to ship it is via helicopters.

      http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2010/April/Pages/HowMuchforaGallo...

      As indicated above the military pays $2.82/gallon for fuel. What drives the cost up is where and how the fuel is delivered.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • ampersand
    • +5
      ampersand  
    • Mark701:

      In addition to being the being the biggest polluter in the US and not surprising, the biggest employer in the US, the US military monster is the biggest criminal syndicate welfare program on the planet. Just when we had so much fun pointing the finger at government corruption in Russia or China (and yes, they are outstanding in their own unique ways) the facts about the cost of America's military industrial complex are finally becoming a little bit clearer to a far greater number of people.
      A shame it is so out of control there is no one who can effectively challenge this cancerous growth.

    • 3 months ago
  • percipi224
  • circlesquared
  • Hotpckts
  • wolfess
  • MSII
  • circlesquared
  • Hotpckts
    • 0
      Hotpckts  
    • Excuse me but aircraft, humvees, and tanks run on JP-8 not gasoline, which is about $3 per gallon. This information is freely available if you google lol

    • 3 months ago
  • nikonwilly
  • jimstoner
    • +4
      jimstoner  
    • Hotpckts:

      Excuse me, the pentagon got caught paying hundreds of dollars for toilet seats, hammers and screw drivers by the truck load. I'm not willing to dismiss the idea that the military is paying these amounts for fuel out of hand. It actually wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. A little more confirmation would be nice though.

    • 3 months ago
  • Hotpckts
    • +5
      Hotpckts  
    • nikonwilly:

      Oh I get the point clearly. BP would rather lose an entire facility due to catastrophic fires and cause numerous deaths to save $150k on a flare safety system.
      I just want to make it clear the government is not the enemy.
      The government works for the people. The corporation works for only profits and stocks.
      If you don't vote with your pen you'll vote with your dollar

    • 3 months ago
  • Hotpckts
    • +2
      Hotpckts  
    • jimstoner:

      I would love to give you a specific answer to your claim about overspending but since you didn't provide any details I can only say this.
      Say you need to make a toilet seat for an aircraft. You need about 1,000 of these seats and they need to meet certain specifications such as if there is a fire, the materials used will not instantly kill everyone inside of the pressurized tube they are sitting in.
      Manufacturers then bid each other on who can produce these seats for the lowest price and then they're made.
      It's a bit more complicated than selling mass manufactured toilet seats at Wal-Mart

    • 3 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
    • +5
      Truthitswhatsfordinner  
    • jimstoner:

      Except that the govt is prohibited by law from buying directly from sellers unless the sellers are listed on the GSA schedule. Otherwise the govt requests price quotes and/or does reverse bid auctions to meet its requirements.

    • 3 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • Hotpckts
    • +1
      Hotpckts  
    • jimstoner:

      "The Pentagon also paid hundreds of dollars for a toilet seat and screwdriver."
      Yes, I can see how you know for sure that they are not talking about aircraft toilet seats. Not aircraft carrier seats either obviously.
      This article is flawless and makes no assumptions based on zero personal experience whatsoever.
      Clearly a shining example of quality reporting.

    • 3 months ago
  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
  • circlesquared
  • circlesquared
  • circlesquared
  • jimstoner
    • +4
      jimstoner  
    • Hotpckts:

      You show me in any report you can find where it mentions that these seats were for aircraft carriers. These seats being specifically designed for aircraft carriers has never been mentioned by anyone in the 30 years that this story has been out there. You are the one making assumptions. You seem to have decided that they were for carriers on your own. Show us some links verifying that.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
    • +3
      circlesquared  
    • Hotpckts:

      BP has wrecked our ecosystems, good riddance to their plant. May all that enslave them self to the fossil fuel industry get out before they are consumed by the fire of outrage we should all feel and feed. Our votes with pen or paper don't matter when there is no true choice between wrongs.

    • 3 months ago
  • circlesquared
  • Incredulous
    • +6
      Incredulous  
    • Hotpckts:

      what you seem to be missing....what lies (and I use the word lies with all intent) in the details of going from $2.82/gallon to $100 to $600 for “in theater” delivery, is another snapshot of the REAL cost of the wars our government is so fond of enriching the 1% with.

    • 3 months ago
  • Hotpckts
  • circlesquared
  • Hotpckts
  • jimstoner
    • +4
      jimstoner  
    • Hotpckts:

      You still haven't shown that the seats in question are those ones. If they were the ones that are made for aircraft carriers that's the first thing the Pentagon would have pointed out 30 years ago. They didn't because they are the same ones in your bathroom at home.

    • 3 months ago
  • Hotpckts
    • 0
      Hotpckts  
    • jimstoner:

      A quick flick of the google and this:

      U.S. Navy's "$600 Toilet Seat"

      The P-3C Orion antisubmarine aircraft went into service in 1962. Twenty-five years later it was determined that the toilet shroud, the cover that fits over the toilet, needed replacement. Since the airplane was out of production this would require new tooling to produce. These on-board toilets required a uniquely shaped, molded fiberglass shroud that had to satisfy specifications for vibration resistance, weight, and durability. The molds had to be specially made, as it had been decades since their original production. The price reflected the design work and the cost of the equipment to manufacture them. Lockheed Corp. charged $34,560 for 54 toilet covers, or $640 each.

    • 3 months ago
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