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    • Darrow, Darwin, and Dayton

      Recently, VP Candidate Sarah Palin made an extraordinary claim. "Yes", she said, "I have seen images of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them!", a statement consistent with her attempts to get 'creationists' put on school boards. By definition, a 'creationist' believes that human beings were contemporary with dinosaurs.

      A 'creationist' believes that human beings were contemporary with dinosaurs because 'creation' —they believe —took place just 6,000 years ago. Palin has long espoused 'creationism', a belief that Genesis is a literal history. If so, all creation took place over a period of seven days about 6,000 years ago, thus: the creationist believes that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. And not just in Jurassic park or Alley Oop comic strips.

      The 'footprints' that were said to be human were not. That determination was made back by 1989. Claims that human tracks had been fossilized in pre-Tertiary rocks from other localities are "not considered credible by ... mainstream scientists' or 'major creationist groups". [See: The Paluxy Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy, Glen J, Kuban]

      The idiotic idea that the universe is but 6,000 years old is easily refuted. Consider the known, proven distance to the Andromeda galaxy --some 2 million light years. That means that when we look up into the night sky and see Andromeda, we see it as it was two million years ago. We see the Magellanic Clouds as they were some 195 thousand years ago. If the Earth were but six thousand years old, the number of stars visible to Earth might be counted on our fingers and toes.

      It comes down to this: if we can look up at the sky at night and see Andromeda, 'creationists' are wrong! Guess what! We can SEE Andromeda. It is the only Galaxy that is visible to the naked eye. If we had discovered no other object, we must conclude, therefore, that the universe is at least two million years old. Of course, there are many more objects that are much more distant than Andromeda and they are easily discerned by the Hubble telescope.
      Recently, VP Candidate Sarah Palin made an extraordinary claim. "Yes", she said, "I have seen images of dinosaur fossil... more

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    • It's time for science and reason

      There was a time when we sought our answers in superstition....

      Now is the time when we should use scientific methods, rational thinking and evidence to determine our way....

      Anyone agree with me?
      There was a time when we sought our answers in superstition.... ... more

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    • Riz Khan - Darwin's legacy - 21 July 08 Part 1

      The first of a series about evolution, Darwin, Creationism and so-called "Intelligent Design".

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    • Why are Atheists so Angry?

      I saw a discussion (if you want to call it that) between Evolutionists and Creationists and the Atheists were so vile and angry in the discussion that I thought I would pose the question as to why Atheists are so angry.... Why is that? Almost every Atheist I've met has been very angry and arrogant when it comes to the topic of God. Well, at least they're not blowing themselves up over it like some other angry believers.... yet. :) I saw a discussion (if you want to call it that) between Evolutionists and Creationists and the Atheists were so vile and angry in the... more

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    • 15 answers to creationist nonsense

      "Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

      To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom."

      This is a nice follow up to my "ID needs to be stopped" - 15 Answers to Creationist BULLSH*T! I wish I could post it all here but it's a little too long, but the article is well put together.
      "Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still... more

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    • Intelligent Design Needs to Be Stopped!

      "On May 21, 2008, Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southern Louisiana University, testified in the Louisiana state legislature on the dangers hidden in the State’s Science Education Act.

      According to Forrest, the Act allows teachers and school boards across the state to teach non-scientific alternatives to evolution including ideas related to Intelligent Design (ID). Forrest says the bill is a backhanded way to get creationism back into schools.

      She states the wording of the Act names evolution along with global warming, the origins of human life and human cloning as worthy of “open and objective discussion” -- suggesting that evolution is scientifically controversial topic.

      A U.S. Supreme Court case in 1987 barred creationism from being taught in U.S. public schools. The justices ruled state aid to religious teachings violated the Establishment Clause of First Amendment. Since then, the Seattle-based Discovery Institute has successfully lobbied that intelligent design is not only scientifically sound, but also that it differs from creationism barred from schools.

      Despite Forrest’s testimony, the bill passed easily in Louisiana with a majority House vote of 94 to 3, followed unanimously in the State Senate. Louisiana's conservative Christian governor Piyush Jindal signed the bill, making it law on June 28.

      Supporters of evolution say that the new legislation is nothing more than a new maneuver in the war to challenge the validity of Darwinian evolution. Forrest was also a figure in a 2005 trial in Dover, where she presented leaked Discovery Institute documents that demonstrated intelligent design school books were in fact creationist schoolbooks with the names replaced.

      Immediately following Forrest's comments to New Scientist, the Discovery Institute wrote a blog on its Evolution News website, claiming Forrest and the publication needed "a reality check."

      "Intelligent design is currently not in the Louisiana state science standards and so could not be taught. But this allows scientific criticisms of Darwin's theory to be taught," said Discovery Institute fellow John West in a recent Reuters interview."

      WE CAN NOT LET INTELLIGENT DESIGN BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AS A SCIENCE! THIS IS A STEP BACKWARDS FOR OUR SOCIETY!
      "On May 21, 2008, Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southern Louisiana University, testified in the Louisiana state l... more

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    • Odd fish find contradicts Intelligent-Design argument

      The discovery of a missing link in the evolution of bizarre flatfishes—each of which has both eyes on the same side of its head—could give intelligent design advocates a sinking feeling. The discovery of a missing link in the evolution of bizarre flatfishes—each of which has both eyes on the same side of its head—could ... more

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    • Say anything to get the job

      Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal claims intelligent design belongs alongside evolution in the classroom. Even more frightening, Gov. Jindal is a VP hopeful in Sen. McCain's campaign. Heaven help us if they win. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal claims intelligent design belongs alongside evolution in the classroom. Even more frightening, Gov. J... more

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    • Could Texas schools teach Creationism soon?

      Texas Public Schools may be teaching creationism / intelligent design soon as the State Board of Education gears up to attack evolution in its revision of the state science standards.

      This is an interview of the Chairman of the Board, Don McLeroy, who is a self-pronounced creationist. He says in the video that he believes in evolution but it is obvious that he is lying as he begins to state that he wishes to force Texas educators to teach the alleged "weaknesses" of evolution. The scientific community as a whole denies the existence of any "weaknesses" of evolution, and as a result McLeroy wishes to use these fake "weaknesses" as a trojan horse to attack the theory of evolution so that creationism may be taught in its place.

      If you live in Texas or know somebody who does, have them sign the Texas Freedom Network's petition telling the State Board that you stand up for science and support the theory of evolution and oppose the teaching of religious concepts like creationism or ID in the science classroom at:

      https://secure2.convio.net/txfree/site/SSurvey?SURVEY_I...

      To hear or read a transcript of a speech given by McLeory at his church about how to destroy the teaching of evolution, follow this link:

      http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer?pagename=mcleroylect...

      In the lecture he explains that creationists must continually remind the scientific community that they may be wrong and to project the alleged "weaknesses" or evolution. (which do not exist and are fake and have been proven so time and time again.)

      "We're not in Kansas anymore!"
      Texas Public Schools may be teaching creationism / intelligent design soon as the State Board of Education gears up to attack evolutio... more

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    • Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks Constitution

      Chuck Norris is a dangerous member of the Religious Right and he doesn't deserve our admiration any longer.

      He is a supporting member of the "National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools" - a group that wishes to force all public school children to read the Bible and ultimately turned into Christians on tax dollars.

      He doesn't believe in the Separation of Church and State and supported Mike Huckabee for president and Rick Perry for governor of Texas. Perry is a far-right conservative who is against any and all gay rights, people of other religions, and the Constitution in general.

      To see more of Chuck kicking the Constitution into the dirt:

      http://www.bibleinschools.net/Videos
      Chuck Norris is a dangerous member of the Religious Right and he doesn't deserve our admiration any longer. ... more

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    • College grads more likely to keep the faith

      A study at the University of Texas in Austin states that college graduates are less likely to abandon their religious identities. I am posting this in response to the story that was on Current.com not long ago about how less-religious people are more intelligent.

      In my opinion, people who are truly intelligent are those who respect people of all religions, including people of no faith. After all, MLK was a pretty smart guy.

      Science and Religion are not enemies. People who are scientists are often religious and people who are religious often support science 100%.

      What do you think?
      A study at the University of Texas in Austin states that college graduates are less likely to abandon their religious identities. I a... more

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      15 days ago
    • Ben Stein defeats Yoko Ono in fair use victory

      The producers of Ben Stein's movie, "Expelled," have won an important victory for fair use. Fair Use is a doctrine in U.S. copyright law that carves out some exceptions to the exclusivity of copyright in certain areas. In this case, the film, in which Stein makes an argument for intelligent design, used a 15 second clip of John Lennon's song, "Imagine." Yoko Ono, Lennon's widow and the rights holder of Lennon's musical catalog, sued the filmmakers saying they did not have her permission to use the song.

      A District Court judge ruled against Ono, saying that, because the filmmakers were using the song clip in the contest of criticism, the use was covered under the fair use doctrine.

      This is a great victory for those of us who believe that copyright holders in the U.S. (in the vast majority of cases, giant corporations and bazillionaires, like Ono) have been going on a drunken bender of litigation against perfectly legitimate uses of their copyrighted works and, in the process, trampling both fair use and the First Amendment underfoot.

      (Regardless of how you might feel about I.D., this is a big win for intellectual freedom and free speech.)
      The producers of Ben Stein's movie, "Expelled," have won an important victory for fair use. Fair Use is a doctrine in U... more

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    • New word for 'intelligent design', no real difference

      "Opponents of teaching evolution, in a natural selection of sorts, have gradually shed those strategies that have not survived the courts. Over the last decade, creationism has given rise to “creation science,” which became “intelligent design,” which in 2005 was banned from the public school curriculum in Pennsylvania by a federal judge.

      Now a battle looms in Texas over science textbooks that teach evolution, and the wrestle for control seizes on three words. None of them are “creationism” or “intelligent design” or even “creator.”

      The words are “strengths and weaknesses.”

      Starting this summer, the state education board will determine the curriculum for the next decade and decide whether the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution should be taught. The benign-sounding phrase, some argue, is a reasonable effort at balance. But critics say it is a new strategy taking shape across the nation to undermine the teaching of evolution, a way for students to hear religious objections under the heading of scientific discourse."

      By Laura Beil
      "Opponents of teaching evolution, in a natural selection of sorts, have gradually shed those strategies that have not survived th... more

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    • Opponents of evolution adopting a new strategy

      Creationism, "intelligent Design" and now this. There have always been opponents to Darwin's "theory" of evolution. The new code phrase of the anti-evolutionists is now "strengths and weakness". Legislators in a half-dozen states including Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri and South Carolina — have tried to require that classrooms be open to “views about the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian theory,” according to a petition from the Discovery Institute, the Seattle-based strategic center of the intelligent design movement.

      Source: New York Times
      Picture: Wikipedia
      Creationism, "intelligent Design" and now this. There have always been opponents to Darwin's "theory" of evol... more

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    • McCain Believes America is "Christian Nation"

      U.S. Senator and presidential hopeful John McCain proves to be out of step with the Constitution and the American people when it comes to religious liberties and mainstream values. He claims to believe that religious tests, which are prohibited by the Constitution, should be applied to candidates. He also seems to be ignorant of the history of the U.S. government which has been celebrated for its secualr history and respect for all religious beliefs and the lack thereof when he claims that America was based primarily on Judeo-Christian values. Could McCain be any worse for America? We need a candidate willing to stand for people of all religious beliefs and people with no religious affiliations. We need a candidate who stands up for secularism in government, religious liberties, and the total Separation of Church and State. McCain has proven through this video and his connections to pastor John Hagee and Rod Parsley that he is a proud member of the Religious Right and is out to distort religion for political gain. Eight years has been enough. Show this video to your grandparents. U.S. Senator and presidential hopeful John McCain proves to be out of step with the Constitution and the American people when it comes... more

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    • Darwinism PWNED!!! The stupidity and delusion of evolution

      Supposedly evolutionists have been hard at work for years "perfecting" their "theory" advocating it as fact that demand dissidents be ridiculed for, while they dismiss every other theory of origins for a staunchly atheist viewpoint to science. I think it's utter and fantastic bs. And you can see it here.... Watch this "evolutionist" and you'll see a liar trying to figure out in 11 seconds of silence how to BS his way out of a simple question that evolution depends on, and on which he was even writing a book about at the time!

      Don't be cowed into evolution, just because the educational institutions aren't allowed the freedom to differ for the truth. Think for yourselves... don't let "educated" idiots tell you what to think....

      Think about it... Think about it... Erase the slate and...

      THINK...as if you have a brain you didn't inherit from some monkey.
      Supposedly evolutionists have been hard at work for years "perfecting" their "theory" advocating it as fact that d... more

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    • Ron Paul is the Religious Right

      "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life. The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." - Ron Paul

      The Constitution does not once mention God and the Declaration only refers to an ambiguous "Creator". Has Ron Paul even read the Constitution?

      Let the Voters' regret begin. Did you know that Ron Paul is a member of the Religious Right? He's hardly a Libertarian and certainly not a Constitutionalist. Don't believe me? See for yourself.

      Let's start off with his denial of Darwin's Theory of Evolution - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw&feature=...

      And his denial of the existence of Global Warming - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUm1aVwRnC0&feature=...

      And his belief that the Ten Commandments are equitable to the Constitution - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unVqSwL-_Xk&feature=...

      Wow. Scary. It's a real shame that all of his RonTard supporters didn't do their homework...

      He's also said, "Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity....Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war."

      Ron Paul is a dangerous enemy of the Constitution. He has it wrong on the Separation of Church and State, and a woman's right to choose. He would reverse Roe v. Wade if allowed. He also supports school-vouchers, which allows private religious schools to enjoy the support of the government and takes money away from public schools. Sounds like a church-state to me. I don't want my taxes being used to pay from someone else's religious education. If church schools wish to exist, that is fine with me, but let them support themselves and stop living off of unconstitutional government hand outs.

      If he claims to want to get government out of our personal lives and off of our backs, and claims to support the Constitution, then why does he not support a woman's right to choose? It is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Ron Paul simply wishes to take our rights away and increase government control over some of the most personal parts of our lives.

      He also opposes gay rights and would allow states to discriminate against homosexuals. Either we should all have rights or none of us should have rights at all.

      It is a shame so many people have had the wool pulled over their eyes...Wasted votes.
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    • Evolution under attack in Texas

      Chris Comer, former director of science at the Texas Education Agency, was forced to resign after it was found that she forwarded an e-mail mentioning an upcoming lecture by Barbara Forrest, a lead expert-witness in Kitzmiller v. Dover, on her work e-mail account to co-workers. The State Board of Education has become taken over by a majority of far-right creationists and it is likely that the State Board will alter the science standards to force Texas kids to learn the phony "weaknesses" of Evolution. The Chairman of the Baord is Don McLeroy, a self-pronounced creationist who was appointed by the extremely conservative governor, Rick Perry. Don McLeroy has said that by attacking the credibility of Evolution, the door is opened for intelligent design and creationism to move in. The movie "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" seems to have gotten it all backwards, as the only people getting fired are those who advocate the teaching of sound science and evolution. Click the link to hear an interview of Chris Comer on NPR. Also check out http://www.tfn.org for more information on how to fight for Evolution in Texas public schools and to hear a speech by Don McLeroy. Also check out a PBS TV interview with Don Mcleroy- http://www.klru.org/texasmonthlytalks/archives/mcleroy/... To read a full story on Comer's forced resignation go to http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/texas-scienc... Chris Comer, former director of science at the Texas Education Agency, was forced to resign after it was found that she forwarded an e... more

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    • Ben Stein's movie defending "Intelligent Design" being released Apr...

      The movie "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed" is a documentary about how the people promoting ID are claiming to be persecuted by the scientific community, who will not allow ID to be introduced into public schools.

      There was a recent court case, Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, which determined that Intelligent Design was creationism in disguise. NOVA produced a documentary about the case that can be viewed on-line.

      One of the positions the judge cited for his decision to rule against the teaching of ID in the class room was based on evidence found showing “the text referred to as a resource for ID, Of Pandas and People, had originally been a creationist text.”
      www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

      Q: What is science?

      Q: Isn't evolution just a theory, not a fact?

      Q: What is intelligent design?

      Q: Why not teach intelligent design, or creationism, alongside evolution?

      These questions can be answered at this link http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/defi-qa.html
      The movie "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed" is a documentary about how the people promoting ID are claiming to be persecut... more

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    • Sexpelled: no intercourse allowed

      Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed tells of how Sex Theory has thrived unchallenged in the ivory towers of academia, as the explanation for how new babies are created. Proponents of Stork Theory claim that "Big Sex" has been suppressing their claim that babies are delivered by storks. Furthermore, Stork Theory proponents warn of the serious moral dangers posed by teaching children that sex has a function. They point out that evil dictators such as Hitler, Stalin and Mao all believed in Sex Theory, and they may have even had sex themselves.

      There is also a late-breaking new development in the controversy, a new theory called Avian Transportation Theory.

      Unlike the original Stork Theory, the modern, sophisticated "Avian Transportation Theory" (ATT) merely points out that there are gaps in the orthodox Sex Theory, and that current sonogram imaging is unreliable. Moreover ATT does not specify that babies are necessarily brought by storks but by "large birds unspecified" (although many individual ATT theorists PRIVATELY believe it is a stork).
      Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed tells of how Sex Theory has thrived unchallenged in the ivory towers of academia, as the explanation... more

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